Acting Irs Chief Ousted Over Tax Scandal As Obama Vows Change

[geriatrickid]

I am puzzled by some of the people shrieking and making unsubstantiated claims.

Please stop the spin. Conservative groups were eventually granted tax free status because they met the legal criteria and the IRS had to give it to them. However, they often held it up for years while approving the application for Obama's brother's charity in one month.

Perhaps, because it was an actual charity without a political purpose? There is a big difference between a group that has raised money to build latrines in Kenya and political groups that engage in domestic US politics. It is easier to vet an organization that has a simple organizational structure and no convoluted fund raising. The charity does not engage in political activity in the USA.

BTW, the founder is hardly a close relative of the President. He is a 1/2 brother of the POTUS with no relationship to the POTUS. The POTUS' links to the charity founder and kenya are remote at best.

[Ulysses G.]

No cigar. There were also plenty of left-wing political groups that were certified pronto. There are no legitimate excuses for the IRS acting in such a partisan manner.

[Ulysses G.]

One of your links provided a pop-up window giving me a chance to donate to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. I declined their kind offer.

However, it does bring your links into question as to their bias unless we can now link directly to Party blogs as our sources.

Not to mention that if you read them, they are mostly spin. They try to make silly excuses for the fact that none of the CIA e-mails ever mentioned anything about a video, even though that was the thrust of the false talking points trotted out on all the Sunday shows by Susan Rice.

[F430murci]

One of your links provided a pop-up window giving me a chance to donate to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. I declined their kind offer.

However, it does bring your links into question as to their bias unless we can now link directly to Party blogs as our sources.

Not to mention that if you read them, they are mostly spin. They try to make silly excuses for the fact that none of the CIA e-mails ever mentioned anything about a video, even though that was the thrust of the false talking points trotted out on all the Sunday shows by Susan Rice.

Haha, it's all spin both ways. The old saying there is your version, my version and the truth is somewhere in the middle comes to mind. Some Republicans are desperate and a bit OCD and some sheep like supporters can only see black or white. Sad part is they are the most emotional and vocal. End of story.

[Scott]

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[JDGRUEN]

In reply to Publicus #89.

Your assessment of my position that it is somehow related to the Constitution is so off base as to be laughable and is unworthy of any substantive analytical comment or reply... Words like 'reaching', 'shoehorn', 'imaginative', 'inapplicable', 'fabrication' and 'ridiculous', do however come to mind in describing your assessment of my position.

[Publicus]

If there is an impeachable offense, impeach him and be done with it.

Otherwise, please don't waste the world's time on this crapola for the next three years.

But we must eat up all of obama's time in office... keep him dodging and running - out of focus... keep him so busy dodging political bullets that he has no time to do more dastardly things to my country.

Is there an impeachable offense that you can see or find?

[snarky66]

It gets worse.

Turns out IRS officials have been releasing tax records of people on the enemies list to opponents.

I'm thinking barry has handed us a victory.

Because no one in their right mind would want the IRS administering Unaffordable Care Act.

In fact they wouldn't want the IRS within 50,000 miles of obamacare.

D.O.A. so sad.

[chuckd]

_{A couple of new points. The first one is laughable, particularly when we are led to believe the Acting IRS Commissioner is one of the best and brightest minds we have in the agency.}

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IRS Chief 'Can't Remember' Who Was Responsible for Tea Party Targeting

By Andrew Johnson

May 17, 2013 11:04 AM

Acting IRS commissioner Steven Miller said indicated he did not know who was responsible for the targeting of conservative groups by IRS agents. ”I don’t have that name, sir,” he told GOP congressman Dave Reichert in today’s House Ways and Means Committee hearing on the scandal, which came to light last Friday.

Reichert persisted, “Did you ask anybody?”

“Yes,” Miller responded — he asked the senior technical adviser, Nancy Marks.

“And what did Nancy tell you, who’s responsible?” Reichert asked.

“That I don’t remember, to be honest with you,” Miller said.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/348637/irs-head-cant-remember-who-was-responsible-targeting-andrew-johnson

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Report: IRS Deliberately Chose Not to Fess Up to Scandal Before Election

8:36 AM, MAY 17, 2013 • BY DANIEL HALPER

NBC's Lisa Myers reported this morning that the IRS deliberately chose not to reveal that it had wrongly targeted conservative groups until after the 2012 presidential election:

The IRS commissioner "has known for at least a year that this was going on," said Myers, "and that this had happened. And did he share any of that information with the White House? But even more importantly, Congress is going to ask him, why did you mislead us for an entire year? Members of Congress were saying conservatives are being targeted. What's going on here? The IRS denied it. Then when -- after these officials are briefed by the IG that this is going on, they don't disclose it. In fact, the commissioner sent a letter to Congress in September on this subject and did not reveal this. Imagine if we -- if you can -- what would have happened if this fact came out in September 2012, in the middle of a presidential election? The terrain would have looked very different."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/report-irs-deliberately-chose-not-fess-scandal-election_724711.html

Edited May 17, 2013 by chuckd

[F430murci]

It gets worse.

Turns out IRS officials have been releasing tax records of people on the enemies list to opponents.

I'm thinking barry has handed us a victory.

Because no one in their right mind would want the IRS administering Unaffordable Care Act.

In fact they wouldn't want the IRS within 50,000 miles of obamacare.

D.O.A. so sad.

Actually, the story that is about to break is even bigger. Hold the phones. Obama is BigFoot and, therefore, he surely cannot be President. The Donald was right all along, just for different reasons.

Four conspiracies in one week? OGM, what will they think of next?

[lannarebirth]

It gets worse.

Turns out IRS officials have been releasing tax records of people on the enemies list to opponents.

I'm thinking barry has handed us a victory.

Because no one in their right mind would want the IRS administering Unaffordable Care Act.

In fact they wouldn't want the IRS within 50,000 miles of obamacare.

D.O.A. so sad.

Actually, the story that is about to break is even bigger. Hold the phones. Obama is BigFoot and, therefore, he surely cannot be President. The Donald was right all along, just for different reasons.

Four conspiracies in one week? OGM, what will they think of next?

So now you're slandering Bigfoot?

[JDGRUEN]

If there is an impeachable offense, impeach him and be done with it.

Otherwise, please don't waste the world's time on this crapola for the next three years.

But we must eat up all of obama's time in office... keep him dodging and running - out of focus... keep him so busy dodging political bullets that he has no time to do more dastardly things to my country.

Is there an impeachable offense that you can see or find?

The U.S. House of Representatives can determine that. And if I gave my long list you would just scoff at it anyway - so why bother. But of course if and when the House gives their list of impeachable offenses you will scoff at that too - making excuses for obama. To quote Miss Hillary - "What does it matter"? ... What ever will keep obama hunkered down, in defense mode or hopefully in deep panic mode is all that counts... give him the full Nixon SLAP DOWN.

[Publicus]

If there is an impeachable offense, impeach him and be done with it.

Otherwise, please don't waste the world's time on this crapola for the next three years.

But we must eat up all of obama's time in office... keep him dodging and running - out of focus... keep him so busy dodging political bullets that he has no time to do more dastardly things to my country.

Is there an impeachable offense that you can see or find?

The U.S. House of Representatives can determine that. And if I gave my long list you would just scoff at it anyway - so why bother. But of course if and when the House gives their list of impeachable offenses you will scoff at that too - making excuses for obama. To quote Miss Hillary - "What does it matter"? ... What ever will keep obama hunkered down, in defense mode or hopefully in deep panic mode is all that counts... give him the full Nixon SLAP DOWN.

It is reality that the republic may be in great danger if, every time there is a second term Democratic party president, and the House of Representatives is majority controlled by the Republican party, the Republicans in the House vote to impeach.

Impeachment and trial of Prez Clinton during his second term failed because Americans saw it as partisan politics. The same would occur were the House to impeach Prez Obama. However, the country and the Constitution would be weakened.

You openly advocate immobilizing Prez Obama over the next three-plus years. The Republican leader of the Senate, Mitch McConnell said during Prez Obama's first year that his sole purpose as the Republican leader of the Senate was to see Barack Obama not reelected in 2012. McConnell is still eating crow each day for lunch in the Senate Dining Room.

Now comes talk of impeachment of Prez Obama during his second term, which would only cripple the country further than it already is. Sounds to me like politics above country, without shame, patriotism or responsibility.

[snarky66]

it's clear to me that the radical leftists are going to stick with Barry till the bitter end. The point at which Barry drives the country over the cliff.

Their only defense so far is to trash the witnesses & make funny little jokes.

I hope Barry is tied up in legal matters till the day he leaves office. Good riddance.

Driving the country over the cliff seems to be his aim from day one. Corruption taken to new heights.

[Publicus]

it's clear to me that the radical leftists are going to stick with Barry till the bitter end. The point at which Barry drives the country over the cliff.

Their only defense so far is to trash the witnesses & make funny little jokes.

I hope Barry is tied up in legal matters till the day he leaves office. Good riddance.

Driving the country over the cliff seems to be his aim from day one. Corruption taken to new heights.

Ho-hum. The public sees this as the SOS of the Republicans in Washington.

May 17, 2013 Gallup Poll: Many Not Following IRS-Benghazi Coverage

A new Gallup poll finds slim majorities of Americans are closely following the situations involving the Internal Revenue Service (54%) and the congressional hearings on the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, and its aftermath (53%) -- comparatively low based on historical measures of other news stories over the last two decades.

GOP Seeks to Avoid Scandal Backlash

New York Times: "The most pressing question for Congressional Republicans is no longer how to finesse changes to immigration law or gun control, but how far they can push their cases against President Obama without inciting a backlash of the sort that has left them staggering in the past."

"Working against those methodical plans, however, are the personal passions of the rank and file."

[snarky66]

Carney tells Piers Morgan.

There are no scandals running.

Making both of them jackasses.

[JDGRUEN]

RE: Publicus #103

The main thing that would weaken the country, injure the U.S. Constitution and violate the rights of citizens over the next three years is an unrestrained president obama.... It is time for obama to be reined in from his outrageous behavior and this IRS fiasco will help bring that about -- Allah Willing (pardon the pun) hehehehehehe.

[lannarebirth]

it's clear to me that the radical leftists are going to stick with Barry till the bitter end. The point at which Barry drives the country over the cliff.

Their only defense so far is to trash the witnesses & make funny little jokes.

I hope Barry is tied up in legal matters till the day he leaves office. Good riddance.

Driving the country over the cliff seems to be his aim from day one. Corruption taken to new heights.

Ho-hum. The public sees this as the SOS of the Republicans in Washington.

May 17, 2013 Gallup Poll: Many Not Following IRS-Benghazi Coverage

A new Gallup poll finds slim majorities of Americans are closely following the situations involving the Internal Revenue Service (54%) and the congressional hearings on the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, and its aftermath (53%) -- comparatively low based on historical measures of other news stories over the last two decades.

You're not suggesting that an apathetic public is a reason to ignore and not investigate serious abuses of power are you? In a very real sense it is the apathetic public that allowed these abuses to happen. That's why there are constitutions, and laws and statutes, so public apathy and political coercion don't rule the day.

[lannarebirth]

Carney tells Piers Morgan.

There are no scandals running.

Making both of them jackasses.

Carney; yet another sacrificial zinc anode on the hull of the ship of state.

Edited May 17, 2013 by lannarebirth

[NeverSure]

it's clear to me that the radical leftists are going to stick with Barry till the bitter end. The point at which Barry drives the country over the cliff.

Their only defense so far is to trash the witnesses & make funny little jokes.

I hope Barry is tied up in legal matters till the day he leaves office. Good riddance.

Driving the country over the cliff seems to be his aim from day one. Corruption taken to new heights.

Ho-hum. The public sees this as the SOS of the Republicans in Washington.

May 17, 2013 Gallup Poll: Many Not Following IRS-Benghazi Coverage

A new Gallup poll finds slim majorities of Americans are closely following the situations involving the Internal Revenue Service (54%) and the congressional hearings on the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, and its aftermath (53%) -- comparatively low based on historical measures of other news stories over the last two decades.

GOP Seeks to Avoid Scandal Backlash

New York Times: "The most pressing question for Congressional Republicans is no longer how to finesse changes to immigration law or gun control, but how far they can push their cases against President Obama without inciting a backlash of the sort that has left them staggering in the past."

"Working against those methodical plans, however, are the personal passions of the rank and file."

Gallup is so biased they aren't worth listening to. For all I know 107% of the population is following one story or the other.

"A slim majority" is still a majority. It could have said "A majority of Americans is closely following...")

Note that it said "closely." I wonder how many more are just aware of it and somewhat concerned, as in "A majority of Americans is closely following, and 35% more are aware and somewhat concerned."

But no, they just have to call it a "slim majority." Obama won re-election my a slimmer majority than that.

Obama won re-election by less than 51% for all of those who think he's so popular. So Gallup would naturally think that Obama won by a landslide and "a slim majority" is closely following these scandals.

[Publicus]

RE: Publicus #103

The main thing that would weaken the country, injure the U.S. Constitution and violate the rights of citizens over the next three years is an unrestrained president obama.... It is time for obama to be reined in from his outrageous behavior and this IRS fiasco will help bring that about -- Allah Willing (pardon the pun) hehehehehehe.

Aw, c'mon, give the guy his true due.

I mean, week before last the prez cracked up the Washington correspondents' dinner: "I'm just not the same strapping young Muslim socialist I used to be."

Sounds like that's one you missed. Still anyway, haven't you seen or recognized Barack Obama is a changed man, all grown up, mature, consistent, reliable?. Of course, those adjectives would have an entirely different meaning to you, given you are of the opposite political faith.

As the western Europeans like to say of O, he's, a capitalist! To the extreme right in the U.S., however, he's a radical leftist.

Can't please everybody.

[Publicus]

it's clear to me that the radical leftists are going to stick with Barry till the bitter end. The point at which Barry drives the country over the cliff.

Their only defense so far is to trash the witnesses & make funny little jokes.

I hope Barry is tied up in legal matters till the day he leaves office. Good riddance.

Driving the country over the cliff seems to be his aim from day one. Corruption taken to new heights.

Ho-hum. The public sees this as the SOS of the Republicans in Washington.

May 17, 2013 Gallup Poll: Many Not Following IRS-Benghazi Coverage
A new Gallup poll finds slim majorities of Americans are closely following the situations involving the Internal Revenue Service (54%) and the congressional hearings on the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, and its aftermath (53%) -- comparatively low based on historical measures of other news stories over the last two decades.

You're not suggesting that an apathetic public is a reason to ignore and not investigate serious abuses of power are you? In a very real sense it is the apathetic public that allowed these abuses to happen. That's why there are constitutions, and laws and statutes, so public apathy and political coercion don't rule the day.

I'm suggesting what I'd said, i.e., Americans in general see this as more of the SOS by the Republicans in Washington. Most are bored by it, tired of it.

And anyone trying to change the language of the Gallup survey to other terms is, well, trying to rewrite the survey to suit himself and the shared "personal passions of the rank and file" Republicans.

Edited May 17, 2013 by Publicus

[Publicus]

The nation is having inflicted upon it that which the Republicans in Washington have sown for four-plus years and continue to sow in what they see as their great moment of expedient opportunism.

Meanwhile, most Americans continue to alternate between yawning at the Republican's SOS in Washington or spitting out disgust of it.

Don't you think the Senate should become a participant in this matter, have hearings of its own; provide another perspective from its side of Capitol Hill? I mean, imagine Rand Paul on the loose in Senate committee hearings on this, not to mention Ted Cruz - and a host of other rightwingnuts. Or is that your greatest fear?

Either way, your criticisms of Prez Barack Obama were nullified by his reelection.

Yes, as one who worked professional staff in the Congress in Washington, I saw and continue to see many a Member of Congress go on to become a cabinet secretary CEO and fail miserably because the particular Congress member was a legislator, not an executive.

Yes, Obama hadn't really been either, at least on a national level. Others from Congress have succeeded as cabinet CEOs due to previous executive experience, whether in business or in a state house, but they are the exception. You may have noticed presidents don't often call on Members of Congress to become cabinet CEOs, as their track record by now is well known.

However, as I say, all of that is laid to rest now by Prez Obama's reelection.

Edited May 17, 2013 by Publicus

[lannarebirth]

The nation is having inflicted upon it that which the Republicans in Washington have sown for four-plus years and continue to sow in what they see as their great moment of expedient opportunity.

Meanwhile, most Americans continue to alternate between yawning at the Republican's SOS in Washington and spitting out disgust of it.

Here's a Republican questioning The IRS Commissioner. Do you think he's not within his rights to question this person, to hold him accountable? Do you really think people are yawning about this abuse of governmental power? Maybe its you that's yawning. If it is, then I suggest you WAKE UP!

BTW, what does SOS mean beyond an international rescue sign?

Edited May 17, 2013 by lannarebirth

[F430murci]

it's clear to me that the radical leftists are going to stick with Barry till the bitter end. The point at which Barry drives the country over the cliff.

Their only defense so far is to trash the witnesses & make funny little jokes.

I hope Barry is tied up in legal matters till the day he leaves office. Good riddance.

Driving the country over the cliff seems to be his aim from day one. Corruption taken to new heights.

Over a cliff? Are you delusional? In 2008, the stock market did what? Went from 14,100 to 10,300 between mid 2008 and September 2008 and continued to lose another 4,000 points until it reversed on March 9, 2009. Our banks became insolvent under Bush. AIG was insolvent because of credit swaps. How many died from terrorist acts on US soil while Bush was president?

The bs little scandals you are whining about is nothing compared to the serious issues that arose during Bush Jr.

Edited May 17, 2013 by F430murci

[Publicus]

The nation is having inflicted upon it that which the Republicans in Washington have sown for four-plus years and continue to sow in what they see as their great moment of expedient opportunity.

Meanwhile, most Americans continue to alternate between yawning at the Republican's SOS in Washington and spitting out disgust of it.

Here's a Republican questioning The IRS Commissioner. Do you think he's not within his rights to question this person, to hold him accountable? Do you really think people are yawning about this abuse of governmental power? Maybe its you that's yawning. If it is, then I suggest you WAKE UP!

BTW, what does SOS mean beyond an international rescue sign?

I stated very early in the thread it appears there are IRS people who need to be held accountable. As important, I know a person is presumed innocent unless proved to be guilty. Bread and circuses don't change that nowadays.

The Hearing Room in the House of Representatives is controlled by the Republican majority in the House, who easily can stack the room in their favor, and very clearly did do so in this instance, waiting for their lines to pop up and whoop it up. I'm sure an ordinary citizen such as myself was in there too letting out a whoop and applauding vigorously. That is, if what's was alleged is true, i.e., abuse of office.

The Senate should begin holding hearings on this matter too. We elect them for six years so they have a different perspective than that of the House of Rabbl, er, Representatives.

[Scott]

Off-topic, inflammatory posts and replies have been deleted. You might want to re-read the OP and post accordingly.

[F430murci]

I agree if someone broke the laws, let them burn. I don't care who it is. The problem is the credibility, sensibility and alarmist character of those slinging the mud. For Gods sake they tried to leach Clinton for getting a BJ from a woman! Hard to take anything by some seriously especially how these certain some act when they are desperate.

Edited May 17, 2013 by F430murci

[Publicus]

Darrell Issa could credibly star in a Hollywood production, "The Joe McCarthy Story."

[lannarebirth]

The nation is having inflicted upon it that which the Republicans in Washington have sown for four-plus years and continue to sow in what they see as their great moment of expedient opportunity.

Meanwhile, most Americans continue to alternate between yawning at the Republican's SOS in Washington and spitting out disgust of it.

Here's a Republican questioning The IRS Commissioner. Do you think he's not within his rights to question this person, to hold him accountable? Do you really think people are yawning about this abuse of governmental power? Maybe its you that's yawning. If it is, then I suggest you WAKE UP!

BTW, what does SOS mean beyond an international rescue sign?

I stated very early in the thread it appears there are IRS people who need to be held accountable. As important, I know a person is presumed innocent unless proved to be guilty. Bread and circuses don't change that nowadays.

The Hearing Room in the House of Representatives is controlled by the Republican majority in the House, who easily can stack the room in their favor, and very clearly did do so in this instance, waiting for their lines to pop up and whoop it up. I'm sure an ordinary citizen such as myself was in there too letting out a whoop and applauding vigorously. That is, if what's was alleged is true, i.e., abuse of office.

The Senate should begin holding hearings on this matter too. We elect them for six years so they have a different perspective than that of the House of Rabbl, er, Representatives.

For political hacks of both parties and the citizen dilettantes and groupies that love them, games of political grabass and gotcha are their life's breath. They almost never notice when the landscape has fundamentally changed and look like buffoons when it does. It's time to take notice.

Edited May 17, 2013 by lannarebirth