Plodprasob To Set Outlines For Constructing Biomass Power Plant

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Plodprasob to set outlines for constructing Biomass Power Plant

Bangkok, 24 May 2013, (NNT) -- Deputy Prime Minister Plodprasob Surassawadee, in his capacity as the head of the Office of the National Water and Flood Management Policy (WFMP), has stated that the details of the construction of the planned biomass power plant will soon be outlined.

The comment came after Thursday's meeting with National Health Committee Office of Thailand, in which the construction of the power plant, part of the Public Health Ministry's national health policies, was one of the meeting's agendas.

The agenda has been raised as the nation has been facing power shortage; the meeting has also agreed that the nation has the capacity to build more biomass power plants.

Mr. Plodprasob said that the detailed plan and feasibility study will be conducted in order to ensure the safety of residents who reside in the plant's vicinity. He added the plans will dictate such features as how many types of material the plant will handle, or where it will be built.

Once the plans has been drafted, they will be submitted to the cabinet for consideration, said the Deputy Prime Minister , adding that the recent massive blackout in the south has nothing to do with the decision, as the agenda had existed long before the outage took place.


-- NNT 2013-05-24

[Neilly]

Bangkok, 24 May 2013, (NNT) -- Deputy Prime Minister Plodprasob Surassawadee, in his capacity as the head of the Office of the National Water and Flood Management Policy (WFMP), has stated that the details of the construction of the planned biomass power plant will soon be outlined.

This is the same man who called protesters garbage the other day...I don’t like where this is leading

[MaxLee]

Ploddi and his visions... that cannot end well

[hmj]

Neilly #2

"I don’t like where this is leading."

You mean that he is going to produce electricity by burning or gasifying "garbage"?

[Mosha]

Are the using Jatuporn as fuel? A lot of Biomass there.

[bigbamboo]

And right on cue.........

[worgeordie]

Somewhere to put all the rotting rice to good use.

regards Worgeordie

[clockman]

He always was full of it!!!!!!!!!

[NongKhaiKid]

Bangkok, 24 May 2013, (NNT) -- Deputy Prime Minister Plodprasob Surassawadee, in his capacity as the head of the Office of the National Water and Flood Management Policy (WFMP), has stated that the details of the construction of the planned biomass power plant will soon be outlined.

This is the same man who called protesters garbage the other day...I don’t like where this is leading

Maybe playing dress up as a king has really gone to his head starting with calling lesser beings garbage and now moving onto a regal vision for the future

[animatic]

Somewhere to put all the rotting rice to good use.

regards Worgeordie

And THIS is spot on.

Anything to funnel someones rotting stock into the market,

and the skim off into the bosses pockets.

[animatic]

Bangkok, 24 May 2013, (NNT) -- Deputy Prime Minister Plodprasob Surassawadee, in his capacity as the head of the Office of the National Water and Flood Management Policy (WFMP), has stated that the details of the construction of the planned biomass power plant will soon be outlined.

This is the same man who called protesters garbage the other day...I don’t like where this is leading

Maybe playing dress up as a king has really gone to his head starting with calling lesser beings garbage and now moving onto a regal vision for the future

When he starts using the royal 'We', start really worrying.

[OzMick]

Oz's record for finding how to produce the most expensive electricity (billion dollar solar plants with miniscule output) may soon be beaten by Thailand's biomass plant burning rotten rice that they paid B20,000/tonne for.

[Soutpeel]

I was going to suggest that the esteemed deputy pm donate the first biomass from the ample stores in his head...then realised most likely not much in there to start with..

[surangw]

probably got the plans off youtube.

[notmyself]

I've been told that the moisture content of rice is too high to use it as a boifuel.

Even if it could be used..... Can you imagine what the world would think if Thailand started to use a food stuff such as rice as fuel! Clearing land to grow palms for oil is bad but a direct conversion of rice into energy would be too much.

[OzMick]

I've been told that the moisture content of rice is too high to use it as a boifuel.

Even if it could be used..... Can you imagine what the world would think if Thailand started to use a food stuff such as rice as fuel! Clearing land to grow palms for oil is bad but a direct conversion of rice into energy would be too much.

References to burning the rotten rice were made in jest.

But why would using rice as biofuel be any different from corn or sugarcane, or from using it to make ethanol for a petroleum replacement?

Clearing land for growing palm oil is bad? Would hectares of solar panels be better?

[notmyself]

I've been told that the moisture content of rice is too high to use it as a boifuel.

Even if it could be used..... Can you imagine what the world would think if Thailand started to use a food stuff such as rice as fuel! Clearing land to grow palms for oil is bad but a direct conversion of rice into energy would be too much.

References to burning the rotten rice were made in jest.

But why would using rice as biofuel be any different from corn or sugarcane, or from using it to make ethanol for a petroleum replacement?

Clearing land for growing palm oil is bad? Would hectares of solar panels be better?

All are bad but that does not mean all are equally as bad.

[OzMick]

Bad? Hmmm..............if you can accept for the moment that eventually fossil fuels will have to be replaced, some other method used to supply 85% of the world's energy, then you may have to redefine "bad".

Biodiesel and corn ethanol are not "great" having an Energy Ratio Out to In (EROI or EROEI) of 1.3 (you have to use 3 units to get 4) but they are positive and portable energy sources. sugar cane ethanol is much better at 5, but the absolute standout is hydro dams at 100. Strangely, every greenie will tell you dams are "bad".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_returned_on_energy_invested

[notmyself]

Bad? Hmmm..............if you can accept for the moment that eventually fossil fuels will have to be replaced, some other method used to supply 85% of the world's energy, then you may have to redefine "bad".

Biodiesel and corn ethanol are not "great" having an Energy Ratio Out to In (EROI or EROEI) of 1.3 (you have to use 3 units to get 4) but they are positive and portable energy sources. sugar cane ethanol is much better at 5, but the absolute standout is hydro dams at 100. Strangely, every greenie will tell you dams are "bad".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_returned_on_energy_invested

Cheers for that.

I wonder what the EROI for rice is? It has to be pretty low surely.

[MaxLee]

Give it to me baby,....!!!!!!!!

Edited May 25, 2013 by MaxLee

[scotbeve]

I've been told that the moisture content of rice is too high to use it as a boifuel.

Even if it could be used..... Can you imagine what the world would think if Thailand started to use a food stuff such as rice as fuel! Clearing land to grow palms for oil is bad but a direct conversion of rice into energy would be too much.

References to burning the rotten rice were made in jest.

But why would using rice as biofuel be any different from corn or sugarcane, or from using it to make ethanol for a petroleum replacement?

Clearing land for growing palm oil is bad? Would hectares of solar panels be better?

Solar panels could be positioned over canals and smaller waterways (not fast moving waterways) to slow down the evaporation process. Could have a double benefit.

[OzMick]

I've been told that the moisture content of rice is too high to use it as a boifuel.

Even if it could be used..... Can you imagine what the world would think if Thailand started to use a food stuff such as rice as fuel! Clearing land to grow palms for oil is bad but a direct conversion of rice into energy would be too much.

References to burning the rotten rice were made in jest.

But why would using rice as biofuel be any different from corn or sugarcane, or from using it to make ethanol for a petroleum replacement?

Clearing land for growing palm oil is bad? Would hectares of solar panels be better?

Solar panels could be positioned over canals and smaller waterways (not fast moving waterways) to slow down the evaporation process. Could have a double benefit.

Well we could make it law that anybody venturing out in the sun carries a battery in their pocket being charged by a solar panel hat, but it might not be popular.

Slightly more seriously, any serious attempt at solar generation will use sun tracking equipment to raise the efficiency to its dismal <10% best for more than a few hours per day. This is heavy, and would require supports which require energy to produce, lowering somewhat further the energy recovery ratio of photovoltaic cells, which was never good to start with.

[OzMick]

Bad? Hmmm..............if you can accept for the moment that eventually fossil fuels will have to be replaced, some other method used to supply 85% of the world's energy, then you may have to redefine "bad".

Biodiesel and corn ethanol are not "great" having an Energy Ratio Out to In (EROI or EROEI) of 1.3 (you have to use 3 units to get 4) but they are positive and portable energy sources. sugar cane ethanol is much better at 5, but the absolute standout is hydro dams at 100. Strangely, every greenie will tell you dams are "bad".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_returned_on_energy_invested

Cheers for that.

I wonder what the EROI for rice is? It has to be pretty low surely.

For labour intensive rice production here, it would have to be less than one. AFAIK nobody has even suggested it, except in jest.

[stoffel45]

If you want to see a biomass power plant, which takes a farmed algae and turns it into electrical power, you should visit Horse Shoe Point.

The plant, designed by the very eco-responsible owner, produces enough power for the whole - and it is extensive area, including accomodations and a hotel.

He is visited by many of the people in the World wishing to use, vegetable and animal waste products to create power.

He has done it - others are still talking.

[Chao Lao Beach]

I've been told that the moisture content of rice is too high to use it as a boifuel.

Even if it could be used..... Can you imagine what the world would think if Thailand started to use a food stuff such as rice as fuel! Clearing land to grow palms for oil is bad but a direct conversion of rice into energy would be too much.

Since when has "Planet Thailand" worried about the rest of what "Planet Earth" would think? U tink to mutt.

[Joe Mamma]

Heaven knows there is an awful lot of bullshit here to burn. Just think if all the small trash burners could have it hauled off instead of smoking up the countryside. And to get power and minimize the pollution. Could be a win-win.

[OzMick]

Heaven knows there is an awful lot of bullshit here to burn. Just think if all the small trash burners could have it hauled off instead of smoking up the countryside. And to get power and minimize the pollution. Could be a win-win.

Could be, but it takes a serious look at the Energy Out:Energy In ratio otherwise you are wasting time, money and energy. But it keeps the greenies happy.

In central NSW, they were doing some serious highway construction and burning off the felled trees. It was decided to chip them instead, truck them to the nearest power station and recover the energy. Literally millions of dollars were spent trying to burn wet wood fibre in a unit designed to burn dry coal powder and actually reducing the output of the base load station, until it was quietly abandoned.

[Robby nz]

There seems to be an terrible lot of outlines of things like flood relief, high speed rail, Dawei and others but never any details.

[DocN]

Ploddi and his visions... that cannot end well

As Germany's ex- chancellor Helmut Schmidt said: "Everyone who has visions, should see a doctor!"

[hellodolly]

There seems to be an terrible lot of outlines of things like flood relief, high speed rail, Dawei and others but never any details.

Like only two and a half pages of what they propose to do with a 2.2 trillion baht loan that will take 50 years to pay off.

Details are incidental to them the first and primary item on the agenda for them is how much money they are personally going to get out of the deal.