NoshowJones Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 I read the news from back home in the UK. So often there are reports of Old Age Pensioners getting attacked in their own homes, robbed and even murdered. Somehow I cannot imagine Thai old people getting attacked in the street or in their homes. Does this sort of thing ever happen in Thailand? or is it the case that it just never makes the news? Personally, I do not think Thais are capable of this sort of thing. Although I believe it may have happened to old age ex pats, but never Thais attacking old people of their own kind. What do others think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muythai2013 Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 I'm sure the Thai prisons are overcrowded like ours for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post geriatrickid Posted June 7, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted June 7, 2013 Old people are neglected in Thailand just as they are in the west. It's just done Thai style. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitsune Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 (edited) Hilarious. A thai government pension is 500 THB per month. Here is the answer to your question. 99% of old folks are in dire poverty. Very little managed to save for old age Only the one looked after by family, hence living with them, hence not a thief target, can live decently Edited June 7, 2013 by Kitsune 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrybankruad Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 I have never heard of violence against old people (home invasions etcetera) although it probably does occasionally happen, I have heard of the elderly having their valuables stolen (often by relatives). Not all the elderly live with their families however there is usually family close at hand. As you well know many grandparents look after the children whilst parents are away working in the metropolis. I disagree that 99% are living in 'dire' poverty. I have been coming/living in my village for over 20years, and the improvement in the standard of living of the rural poor here has been remarkable. Sure many are poor by Western standards, but you should have seen them 25 years ago. They can largely thank Thaksin for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Now there's a thread stopper, or starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farma Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 It does happen and I think yaba can be blamed for a lot of the thefts and violence. 2 weeks ago an old lady living alone a few villages away from where I base myself was found dead. Her skull had been bashed and valuables stolen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitsune Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 I have never heard of violence against old people (home invasions etcetera) although it probably does occasionally happen, I have heard of the elderly having their valuables stolen (often by relatives). Not all the elderly live with their families however there is usually family close at hand. As you well know many grandparents look after the children whilst parents are away working in the metropolis. I disagree that 99% are living in 'dire' poverty. I have been coming/living in my village for over 20years, and the improvement in the standard of living of the rural poor here has been remarkable. Sure many are poor by Western standards, but you should have seen them 25 years ago. They can largely thank Thaksin for that. 500 thb a month to live is a joke even by Thai standards, or Indian or any standards. Even in the sticks you can't survive on that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 I have never heard of violence against old people (home invasions etcetera) although it probably does occasionally happen, I have heard of the elderly having their valuables stolen (often by relatives). Not all the elderly live with their families however there is usually family close at hand. As you well know many grandparents look after the children whilst parents are away working in the metropolis. I disagree that 99% are living in 'dire' poverty. I have been coming/living in my village for over 20years, and the improvement in the standard of living of the rural poor here has been remarkable. Sure many are poor by Western standards, but you should have seen them 25 years ago. They can largely thank Thaksin for that. 500 thb a month to live is a joke even by Thai standards, or Indian or any standards. Even in the sticks you can't survive on that That is one reason my wifes Mum lives with us in a small house we built with this retirement thing in mind. She does't HAVE to do anything and 99% of the time there is always somebody no more than 50 metres away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthurwait Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 I have never heard of violence against old people (home invasions etcetera) although it probably does occasionally happen, I have heard of the elderly having their valuables stolen (often by relatives). Not all the elderly live with their families however there is usually family close at hand. As you well know many grandparents look after the children whilst parents are away working in the metropolis. I disagree that 99% are living in 'dire' poverty. I have been coming/living in my village for over 20years, and the improvement in the standard of living of the rural poor here has been remarkable. Sure many are poor by Western standards, but you should have seen them 25 years ago. They can largely thank Thaksin for that. 500 thb a month to live is a joke even by Thai standards, or Indian or any standards. Even in the sticks you can't survive on that And didn't Abhisit introduce the 500B pension ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthurwait Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 As said most old people live with family here. Also most burgalars have guns, people know just to let them get on with it and not confront. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 I have never heard of violence against old people (home invasions etcetera) although it probably does occasionally happen, I have heard of the elderly having their valuables stolen (often by relatives). Not all the elderly live with their families however there is usually family close at hand. As you well know many grandparents look after the children whilst parents are away working in the metropolis. I disagree that 99% are living in 'dire' poverty. I have been coming/living in my village for over 20years, and the improvement in the standard of living of the rural poor here has been remarkable. Sure many are poor by Western standards, but you should have seen them 25 years ago. They can largely thank Thaksin for that. 500 thb a month to live is a joke even by Thai standards, or Indian or any standards. Even in the sticks you can't survive on that And didn't Abhisit introduce the 500B pension ? It has been going on for longer than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swissie Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Hilarious. A thai government pension is 500 THB per month. Here is the answer to your question. 99% of old folks are in dire poverty. Very little managed to save for old age Only the one looked after by family, hence living with them, hence not a thief target, can live decently Thai-Government pension MUST be higher than that, otherwise nobody would be willing to work for the "government" at lower wages than in private-industry during their lifetime. This must be a misquote. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim armstrong Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 I have never heard of violence against old people (home invasions etcetera) although it probably does occasionally happen, I have heard of the elderly having their valuables stolen (often by relatives). Not all the elderly live with their families however there is usually family close at hand. As you well know many grandparents look after the children whilst parents are away working in the metropolis. I disagree that 99% are living in 'dire' poverty. I have been coming/living in my village for over 20years, and the improvement in the standard of living of the rural poor here has been remarkable. Sure many are poor by Western standards, but you should have seen them 25 years ago. They can largely thank Thaksin for that. Well said Barry. The old people around our way are well looked after by their families and the village. Poor is a relative term. If you ask them do they want to travel live in a big house, etc the answer is no. They get a lot of pleasure from the endless round of village celebrations, and in my view are far less lonely than in many western countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJP Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 I have never heard of violence against old people (home invasions etcetera) although it probably does occasionally happen, I have heard of the elderly having their valuables stolen (often by relatives). Not all the elderly live with their families however there is usually family close at hand. As you well know many grandparents look after the children whilst parents are away working in the metropolis. I disagree that 99% are living in 'dire' poverty. I have been coming/living in my village for over 20years, and the improvement in the standard of living of the rural poor here has been remarkable. Sure many are poor by Western standards, but you should have seen them 25 years ago. They can largely thank Thaksin for that. This was my observation over 12 years. Today's living standards in some rural villages are incomparable with ten years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitsune Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 Hilarious. A thai government pension is 500 THB per month. Here is the answer to your question. 99% of old folks are in dire poverty. Very little managed to save for old age Only the one looked after by family, hence living with them, hence not a thief target, can live decently Thai-Government pension MUST be higher than that, otherwise nobody would be willing to work for the "government" at lower wages than in private-industry during their lifetime. This must be a misquote. Cheers. It's not just for government worker It's THE pension for old people here Ask any Thai person Every person of the age of 65 fitting the conditions of resources gets it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 Hilarious. A thai government pension is 500 THB per month. Here is the answer to your question. 99% of old folks are in dire poverty. Very little managed to save for old age Only the one looked after by family, hence living with them, hence not a thief target, can live decently Thai-Government pension MUST be higher than that, otherwise nobody would be willing to work for the "government" at lower wages than in private-industry during their lifetime. This must be a misquote. Cheers. It's not just for government worker It's THE pension for old people here Ask any Thai person Every person of the age of 65 fitting the conditions of resources gets it Aged pension of 600 baht a month is for those not covered by government pensions, private pensions etc In other words those in the cash economy. I have two Thai family members who started receiving the payments when they reached the age of 55. Detail on the Thai pensions system at: http://www.gpf.or.th/eng2012/about_thaipension.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitsune Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 Hilarious. A thai government pension is 500 THB per month. Here is the answer to your question. 99% of old folks are in dire poverty. Very little managed to save for old age Only the one looked after by family, hence living with them, hence not a thief target, can live decently Thai-Government pension MUST be higher than that, otherwise nobody would be willing to work for the "government" at lower wages than in private-industry during their lifetime. This must be a misquote. Cheers. It's not just for government worker It's THE pension for old people here Ask any Thai person Every person of the age of 65 fitting the conditions of resources gets it Aged pension of 600 baht a month is for those not covered by government pensions, private pensions etc In other words those in the cash economy. I have two Thai family members who started receiving the payments when they reached the age of 55. Detail on the Thai pensions system at: http://www.gpf.or.th/eng2012/about_thaipension.asp Ooooh 600, they raised it ! Now Thai pensioners can go travel abroad on their fat checks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxme Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 (edited) You got it wrong Kitsune. The 500 is from social welfare, for those in dire need. My father-in-law gets 7000 baht per month and he used to be a teacher. Edited June 16, 2013 by maxme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitsune Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 You got it wrong Kitsune. The 500 is from social welfare, for those in dire need. My father-in-law gets 7000 baht per month and he used to be a teacher. Or Thai people who told me so lied? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meatboy Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 I have never heard of violence against old people (home invasions etcetera) although it probably does occasionally happen, I have heard of the elderly having their valuables stolen (often by relatives). Not all the elderly live with their families however there is usually family close at hand. As you well know many grandparents look after the children whilst parents are away working in the metropolis. I disagree that 99% are living in 'dire' poverty. I have been coming/living in my village for over 20years, and the improvement in the standard of living of the rural poor here has been remarkable. Sure many are poor by Western standards, but you should have seen them 25 years ago. They can largely thank Thaksin for that. Well said Barry. The old people around our way are well looked after by their families and the village. Poor is a relative term. If you ask them do they want to travel live in a big house, etc the answer is no. They get a lot of pleasure from the endless round of village celebrations, and in my view are far less lonely than in many western countries.i have 3 oaps living on our moo-ban looking after the house and grand children,the house's are valued at around 3million do they like it a big no they would rather be in their old shacks in the village,as for older people getting attacked yes it happens if they wear anthing of value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boosta Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 Does it really matter to anyone here what the details of the social support schemes are here? Whether it's 500 or 700, for retired civil servants or the desperately poor, obviously no one can actually live on what they are given. The main point here is that no one expects the government to take care of their needs, that's the job of the community, families and temples. Europe and Aus/NZ have chosen a different model, and perhaps they will be able to continue to work that way in the future. The US is somewhere in between and the trend is to cut it lower and lower as the rich become more and more in control, will most likely end up closer to the Thai model than Europe's. If my mum was hungry and didn't have a place to sleep obviously I'd look after her, I assume the same's true for most on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardholder Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 Ooooh 600, they raised it ! Now Thai pensioners can go travel abroad on their fat checks Not after they have spent the money on the village lottery.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxme Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 You got it wrong Kitsune. The 500 is from social welfare, for those in dire need. My father-in-law gets 7000 baht per month and he used to be a teacher. Or Thai people who told me so lied? Well either that or you misunderstood each other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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