Nsa Contractor Identifies Himself As Source

[Publicus]

For the 3rd time. HK could not have extradited him as the charges he is facing in the US are not illegal in HK. They must be illegal in both the US AND HK for him to be extradited.

He was safe in HK, from extradition anyway. But may have received a better offer from another country.

I know that simple concept doesn't float with the tin foil hat brigade.

For the umpteenth time, the CCP has a standing policy that it decides in any matter that it determines to affect the military or foreign policy of the People's Republic of China. The CCP has absolute sovereignty over the PRC Special Administrative Region of Hong Kong. Snowden is suddenly gone. What happened to the prolonged legal battles in Hong Kong over extradition, asylum? No such battles were going to be allowed by either Beijing or the Hong Kong SAR.

Beijing told Hong Kong to get Snowden the hell out of there and fast, which is what happened. This is what I repeatedly have said would happen.

You and I can keep going back and forth on this point. You are limited in your knowledge and comprehension of the CCP-PRC. You also have been proved wrong by the fact of Snowden fleeing Hong Kong, i.e., the PRC, after Snowden had said to the South China Morning Post that he'd arrived in HKG to stay, or until the HKG SAR government asked him to leave. Washington, then Beijing, simply made HKG too hot a place for him to remain.

In Hong Kong yesterday, gone today.

Finis.

[wealth]

Any sympathy that some people may have had for him will disappear when he's pictured in Moscow.

Idiot.

looks more like a cold war nostalgia statement.

[theblether]

Any sympathy that some people may have had for him will disappear when he's pictured in Moscow.

Idiot.

Is it idiot-proof if he just transits DME?

DTouche.

Probably smarter than transiting LAX?

Oh you have inside information that he's only transiting through DME eh?

Wow, magic .

[Ulysses G.]

Any sympathy that some people may have had for him will disappear when he's pictured in Moscow.

Idiot.

It has become obvious to me that he is not a whistle blower. He is a traitor.

[lomatopo]

Any sympathy that some people may have had for him will disappear when he's pictured in Moscow.

Idiot.

Is it idiot-proof if he just transits DME?

DTouche.

Probably smarter than transiting LAX?

Oh you have inside information that he's only transiting through DME eh?

Wow, magic .

I assume you're not following the news?

It seems like he is traveling HKG-DME-HAV-CCS.

No need to be Harry Potter to read?

Edited June 23, 2013 by lomatopo

[antfish]

The Hong Kong government said a US request for his extradition did not meet legal requirements and Snowden could not be prevented from leaving.

Now there's a non sequitur. If the extradition request failed to meet Hong Kong's legal requirements, then I should think Snowden would be home free in Hong Kong, but he instead fled HKG. The Hong Kong government is unsuccessfully trying to feed us and the world a double talking line of crap which comes directly from Beijing.

The fact is Hong Kong simply became too hot for him to stay there. Beijing wants nothing to do with this messy situation and neither does HKG. It would only complicate the relationship of each to Washington to continue to shelter Snowden. Pass it off to other countries. Snowden had a valid visa and still apparently has a valid passport, so Snowden made his awkward and uncomfortable exit from Hong Kong, i.e. from the PRC.

Snowden's publically stated plan to stay in HKG ran up against some hard and harsh realities that he'd completely missed in his high praise of the supposedly independent legal system of HKG, which Beijing has been eroding steadily since it regained sovereignty over HKG in 1997. With the anniversary of the July 1 reversion of sovereignty date fast approaching, and Hong Kong's annual mass demonstrations already scheduled against Beijing, Beijing also wanted Snowden out of sight, out of mind in HKG.

It is up to Snowdon where he wants to travel too. And the authorities in HK obviously didn't stopped him doing so.

No need for conspiracy theories.

[Loptr]

Convicted U.S. spy Christopher Boyce: 'Snowden is doomed'

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/14/world/asia/hong-kong-boyce-snowden/index.html?iid=article_sidebar

Says Christopher Boyce of Edward Snowden:

"The fact is, he can never come back home.

"He's totally separated from everything he has ever known, from his family. He is always going to be a fugitive, until they get him. And eventually, they will. He will never see his family again unless they go to him. And if they do go to him, he'll no longer be in hiding. The only way that he can truly hide is to abandon his whole past, his entire life.

"When he realizes that, he's going to be racked with depression. I would imagine that his stress levels are at a point where they could actually make him physically sick. I'm sure everything is gnawing at him. And he's isolated."

I don't think he will actually be in hiding. Just trying to get somewhere that he won't be extradited.

But if the above is correct, and I have no reason to believe it is not, then that is a very sad and sorry thing that the pressure of a govt can do that to a person who simply outed their wrongdoings.

You choose to ignore the damage Snowden has done to national security and to global security. You miss critical factors and consequences - in a word, reality.

It all depends on your perspective. Your perspective is that he is a criminal and enemy of the state. My perspective is that he is a hero for exposing the excesses of an oppressive, tyrannical regime.

Obviously your definition of reality differs from mine. While I believe the 4th amendment to the Constitution is the law of the land, you view it as a mere inconvenience to eavesdropping on every human being on the planet.

Then there is the fact that the US has broken international law by monitoring non-US citizens. Paint it any way you want and write thousands of posts refuting the truth, but you and your handlers are in the wrong on this topic. The only reason there is not more backlash to date is because most governments are doing the same thing. That still doesn't make it legal.

[wealth]

Any sympathy that some people may have had for him will disappear when he's pictured in Moscow.

Idiot.

It has become obvious to me that he is not a whistle blower. He is a traitor.

a traitor for the corporatism maybe, but not a traitor for America and Americans.

I think he was honest with his job and thought he would serve national security, but instead found out that data collected has nothing to do with security at all and was used for time attack and other corporate interests. Nothing that would serve America or Americans. - They got their camps prepared already.

[lomatopo]

I am beginning to hope that he is part of a larger home-grown, Patriotic movement to expose the indignities of the NSA's out of control surveillance of U.S. citizens, patriots (Aaron Hernandez/Tim Tebow excepted) and military personnel.

Maybe he's got a "deep throat" on the inside advising him? I think true Americans recognize the value of the role that whistle-blowers like Mr. Snowden perform in a true DEMOCRACY, given that our own "Fourth-Estate" has become so neutered?

It has become obvious to me that he is not a whistle blower. He is a traitor.

"A spokesman for the Tea Party says that when Paul Revere made his famous ride to warn America that "The British are Coming" was REALLY just a traitor who was warning the British."

I suspect you would have accused Mark Felt of being a traitor.

Edited June 23, 2013 by lomatopo

[midas]

Convicted U.S. spy Christopher Boyce: 'Snowden is doomed'

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/14/world/asia/hong-kong-boyce-snowden/index.html?iid=article_sidebar

Says Christopher Boyce of Edward Snowden:

"The fact is, he can never come back home.

"He's totally separated from everything he has ever known, from his family. He is always going to be a fugitive, until they get him. And eventually, they will. He will never see his family again unless they go to him. And if they do go to him, he'll no longer be in hiding. The only way that he can truly hide is to abandon his whole past, his entire life.

"When he realizes that, he's going to be racked with depression. I would imagine that his stress levels are at a point where they could actually make him physically sick. I'm sure everything is gnawing at him. And he's isolated."

I don't think he will actually be in hiding. Just trying to get somewhere that he won't be extradited.

But if the above is correct, and I have no reason to believe it is not, then that is a very sad and sorry thing that the pressure of a govt can do that to a person who simply outed their wrongdoings.

You choose to ignore the damage Snowden has done to national security and to global security. You miss critical factors and consequences - in a word, reality.

It all depends on your perspective. Your perspective is that he is a criminal and enemy of the state. My perspective is that he is a hero for exposing the excesses of an oppressive, tyrannical regime.

Obviously your definition of reality differs from mine. While I believe the 4th amendment to the Constitution is the law of the land, you view it as a mere inconvenience to eavesdropping on every human being on the planet.

Then there is the fact that the US has broken international law by monitoring non-US citizens. Paint it any way you want and write thousands of posts refuting the truth, but you and your handlers are in the wrong on this topic. The only reason there is not more backlash to date is because most governments are doing the same thing. That still doesn't make it legal.

I agree with your post but I have to say " most governments " don't simultaneously proclaim to be “ the land of the free “

Edited June 23, 2013 by midas

[antfish]

Any sympathy that some people may have had for him will disappear when he's pictured in Moscow.

Idiot.

It has become obvious to me that he is not a whistle blower. He is a traitor.

It isnt 1980 anymore and Moscow is just transit.

[midas]

Just on the news that Interpol have issued a red alert but they don't expect Russia to comply

Edited June 23, 2013 by midas

[Scott]

An off-topic post and reply have been deleted.

[Publicus]

The Hong Kong government said a US request for his extradition did not meet legal requirements and Snowden could not be prevented from leaving.

Now there's a non sequitur. If the extradition request failed to meet Hong Kong's legal requirements, then I should think Snowden would be home free in Hong Kong, but he instead fled HKG. The Hong Kong government is unsuccessfully trying to feed us and the world a double talking line of crap which comes directly from Beijing.

The fact is Hong Kong simply became too hot for him to stay there. Beijing wants nothing to do with this messy situation and neither does HKG. It would only complicate the relationship of each to Washington to continue to shelter Snowden. Pass it off to other countries. Snowden had a valid visa and still apparently has a valid passport, so Snowden made his awkward and uncomfortable exit from Hong Kong, i.e. from the PRC.

Snowden's publically stated plan to stay in HKG ran up against some hard and harsh realities that he'd completely missed in his high praise of the supposedly independent legal system of HKG, which Beijing has been eroding steadily since it regained sovereignty over HKG in 1997. With the anniversary of the July 1 reversion of sovereignty date fast approaching, and Hong Kong's annual mass demonstrations already scheduled against Beijing, Beijing also wanted Snowden out of sight, out of mind in HKG.

It is up to Snowdon where he wants to travel too. And the authorities in HK obviously didn't stopped him doing so.

No need for conspiracy theories.

Absurd.

After the US filed criminal charges against Snowden, and requested Hong Kong to arrest Snowden on a provisional arrest warrant - and stated it intended to seek extradition - Hong Kong got too hot for Snowden to successfully execute his publically stated plan to remain in HKG to seek asylum and to fight extradition. Beijing and the HKSAR wanted Snowden out and communicated that to him. Neither wanted a protracted legal dispute with Washington. Accordingly, Snowden was in Hong Kong yesterday, today he's gone.

[wealth]

Just on the news that Interpol have issued a red alert but they don't expect Russia to comply

555 desperado, hurry up!!! we're doomed kind of reaction ... says it all ...

instead of cool heads we see hot heads in hot beds.

[FDog]

For the 3rd time. HK could not have extradited him as the charges he is facing in the US are not illegal in HK. They must be illegal in both the US AND HK for him to be extradited.

He was safe in HK, from extradition anyway. But may have received a better offer from another country.

I know that simple concept doesn't float with the tin foil hat brigade.

For the umpteenth time, the CCP has a standing policy that it decides in any matter that it determines to affect the military or foreign policy of the People's Republic of China. The CCP has absolute sovereignty over the PRC Special Administrative Region of Hong Kong. Snowden is suddenly gone. What happened to the prolonged legal battles in Hong Kong over extradition, asylum? No such battles were going to be allowed by either Beijing or the Hong Kong SAR.

Beijing told Hong Kong to get Snowden the hell out of there and fast, which is what happened. This is what I repeatedly have said would happen.

You and I can keep going back and forth on this point. You are limited in your knowledge and comprehension of the CCP-PRC. You also have been proved wrong by the fact of Snowden fleeing Hong Kong, i.e., the PRC, after Snowden had said to the South China Morning Post that he'd arrived in HKG to stay, or until the HKG SAR government asked him to leave. Washington, then Beijing, simply made HKG too hot a place for him to remain.

In Hong Kong yesterday, gone today.

Finis.

He did not 'flee' anywhere. He is a person that can come and go to and from Hong Kong as much as he likes.

It is common knowledge that the Hong Kong judiciary holds civil liberties in the highest regard. China holds a final veto but does not get involved in court cases. Falon Gong are illegal in China but not in Hong Kong. China was not at all impressed when the court of appeal in Hong Kong quashed all charges against some of that group. They do take civil liberties and their separate laws seriously, even when against the wishes of Beijing.

Now, could you please provide a link to prove the Chinese govt ordered Hong Kong to get Snowden out of Hong Kong?

Snowden could not be extradited from Hong Kong, that is the law, regardless of your opinion. It could well be that Snowden did not want to be stuck with massive legal bills fighting the case so decided on a less expensive option, asylum in a more friendly county.

I imagine again, that is far too a simple scenario for your conspiracy theories.

[JDGRUEN]

I await his final destination details and then await the usual rantings about how THAT country's govt is the antichrist.

In the eyes of some strident posters who rail against Snowden and the evils of China ... to rate being equal to the antichrist the country and/or its government just has to not do obama's bidding or that they believe truth is more important than breaking a law.

[Scott]

Off-topic posts and replies have been deleted. This topic is about Snowden, not about a poster.

Stay on topic.

[wealth]

Just on the news that Interpol have issued a red alert but they don't expect Russia to comply

555 desperado, hurry up!!! we're doomed kind of reaction ... says it all ...

instead of cool heads we see hot heads in hot beds.

Couldn't find anything at http://www.interpol.int or http://www.fbi.gov

[JDGRUEN]

Any sympathy that some people may have had for him will disappear when he's pictured in Moscow.

Idiot.

Is it idiot-proof if he just transits DME?

DTouche.

Probably smarter than transiting LAX?

Oh you have inside information that he's only transiting through DME eh?

Wow, magic .

I assume you're not following the news?

It seems like he is traveling HKG-DME-HAV-CCS.

No need to be Harry Potter to read?

Are there any other details on this Moscow - Havana - Bolivia destination for Snowden? Sounds like it would have taken a lot of help ... I guess better to have refuge in Bolivia than chilly Iceland.

Edited June 23, 2013 by JDGRUEN

[antfish]

The Hong Kong government said a US request for his extradition did not meet legal requirements and Snowden could not be prevented from leaving.

Now there's a non sequitur. If the extradition request failed to meet Hong Kong's legal requirements, then I should think Snowden would be home free in Hong Kong, but he instead fled HKG. The Hong Kong government is unsuccessfully trying to feed us and the world a double talking line of crap which comes directly from Beijing.

The fact is Hong Kong simply became too hot for him to stay there. Beijing wants nothing to do with this messy situation and neither does HKG. It would only complicate the relationship of each to Washington to continue to shelter Snowden. Pass it off to other countries. Snowden had a valid visa and still apparently has a valid passport, so Snowden made his awkward and uncomfortable exit from Hong Kong, i.e. from the PRC.

Snowden's publically stated plan to stay in HKG ran up against some hard and harsh realities that he'd completely missed in his high praise of the supposedly independent legal system of HKG, which Beijing has been eroding steadily since it regained sovereignty over HKG in 1997. With the anniversary of the July 1 reversion of sovereignty date fast approaching, and Hong Kong's annual mass demonstrations already scheduled against Beijing, Beijing also wanted Snowden out of sight, out of mind in HKG.

It is up to Snowdon where he wants to travel too. And the authorities in HK obviously didn't stopped him doing so.

No need for conspiracy theories.

Absurd.

After the US filed criminal charges against Snowden, and requested Hong Kong to arrest Snowden on a provisional arrest warrant - and stated it intended to seek extradition - Hong Kong got too hot for Snowden to successfully execute his publically stated plan to remain in HKG to seek asylum and to fight extradition. Beijing and the HKSAR wanted Snowden out and communicated that to him. Neither wanted a protracted legal dispute with Washington. Accordingly, Snowden was in Hong Kong yesterday, today he's gone.

Wasn't Snowden at one point blamed to be a spy for the CPR CCP? Now they want him out quickly as possible?

If China is afraid of diplomatic pressure from the US, why did they let him go despite the extradition request?

because they laughed the extradition request away and Snowden was free to travel and leave HK when ever he wanted too.

My guess is that he had is ticket allready, he knew before that the extradition request will come sooner or later. he just waited until it was there and then he left. because he could. haha. the joke is not on him but the post-democratic plutocracy.

[lomatopo]

Absurd.

After the US filed criminal charges against Snowden, and requested Hong Kong to arrest Snowden on a provisional arrest warrant - and stated it intended to seek extradition - Hong Kong got too hot for Snowden to successfully execute his publically stated plan to remain in HKG to seek asylum and to fight extradition. Beijing and the HKSAR wanted Snowden out and communicated that to him. Neither wanted a protracted legal dispute with Washington. Accordingly, Snowden was in Hong Kong yesterday, today he's gone.

How do you know all this? Does this come from your Chinese sources in Hong Kong? Or is this simply your conjecture?

[FDog]

Absurd.

After the US filed criminal charges against Snowden, and requested Hong Kong to arrest Snowden on a provisional arrest warrant - and stated it intended to seek extradition - Hong Kong got too hot for Snowden to successfully execute his publically stated plan to remain in HKG to seek asylum and to fight extradition. Beijing and the HKSAR wanted Snowden out and communicated that to him. Neither wanted a protracted legal dispute with Washington. Accordingly, Snowden was in Hong Kong yesterday, today he's gone.

How do you know all this? Does this come from your Chinese sources in Hong Kong? Or is this simply your conjecture?

I was wondering the same, I actually asked for a link but for some unknown reason it was removed. I guess we aren't allowed to ask for a link.

[JDGRUEN]

Unconfirmed - Wikileaks have just confirmed on the radio,BBC, it was them that arranged the flight.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/24/world/asia/nsa-leaker-leaves-hong-kong-local-officials-say.html?_r=0

The Aeroflot agent said that Mr. Snowden is traveling with one other person, with the surname Harrison, but the agent declined to release the other traveler’s first name, saying that she did not have the authorization to do so. The closest adviser to Julian Assange, who orchestrated the release of the Wikileaks diplomatic cables three years ago, is named Sarah Harrison, prompting speculation that she was the Harrison on the flight with Mr. Snowden.

Edited June 23, 2013 by JDGRUEN

[antfish]

Pepe Escobar from Asia Times, HK, having a good laugh and predicts there will be many more whistleblowers

Edited June 23, 2013 by antfish

[FDog]

Unconfirmed - Wikileaks have just confirmed on the radio,BBC, it was them that arranged the flight.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/24/world/asia/nsa-leaker-leaves-hong-kong-local-officials-say.html?_r=0

The Aeroflot agent said that Mr. Snowden is traveling with one other person, with the surname Harrison, but the agent declined to release the other traveler’s first name, saying that she did not have the authorization to do so. The closest adviser to Julian Assange, who orchestrated the release of the Wikileaks diplomatic cables three years ago, is named Sarah Harrison, prompting speculation that she was the Harrison on the flight with Mr. Snowden.

And the Aeroflot agent that gave that information of a passenger's name should be immediately sacked.

[JDGRUEN]

Unconfirmed - Wikileaks have just confirmed on the radio,BBC, it was them that arranged the flight.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/24/world/asia/nsa-leaker-leaves-hong-kong-local-officials-say.html?_r=0

The Aeroflot agent said that Mr. Snowden is traveling with one other person, with the surname Harrison, but the agent declined to release the other traveler’s first name, saying that she did not have the authorization to do so. The closest adviser to Julian Assange, who orchestrated the release of the Wikileaks diplomatic cables three years ago, is named Sarah Harrison, prompting speculation that she was the Harrison on the flight with Mr. Snowden.

And the Aeroflot agent that gave that information of a passenger's name should be immediately sacked.

Might have been a few rubles exchanged you think?

[wealth]

Snowden already landed safely in Moscow

[wealth]

the Kremlin hinted that they were willing to give asylum. Maybe the leak from Aeroflot was on purpose to keep him there for a while. Russia is tired of all the unfounded attacks of it's international rights violations. 555. Gotta love the development.

Sure they will change routes now.

He is allegedly escorted by diplomats and wikileaks lawyers.

[wealth]

https://twitter.com/MiriamElder/status/348784612497051648/photo/1 he's welcome in Moscow. You can almost touch the euphoria.