Australian Visa for family to look after newborn child

[Will27]

Will,

firstly, the 676 is for parents this was determined after i called up the first time and was not known in the OP in fact the visa itself wasn't even known at the time. regardless, the visa is no longer available so why you keep being argumentative on it i don't know, perhaps you like having the last word.

back to the 600 visa, i think you are being very pedantic why would i tell immigration i want them to come back for a second visa? what if i change my mind and decide i don't want them back? Also, who is giving them a full time job in child care, they would be assisting us in the care of our child. Why would immigration want specifics?

to humor you i called again. I asked if my family was to apply for the 600 tourist visa and they came over and while visiting they were taking care of our baby while we work is it considered work. She clarified would they be paid and i said no. She put me on hold, came back and said the requirements of the Visa is that they come to visit family and friends, what they do in that time is their business and as long as they are not being paid it would not be considered work. if you doubt this i challenge you to call yourself and ask the same 131 881. I have called 3 times and none have said it is an issue. Why don't you make it a 4th, if you call right on 8:30am there is no wait.

that being said, as i mentioned there is still no guarantee of a visa greater than 3 months but your reasoning will not be why it is not given. They must still provide evidence of reasons to return, be able to support themselves (show $1k per month of stay) and be of good character etc. As i said i would bring them over for a short stay first to hopefully strengthen the application for 12 months whether that helps i have no idea but considering the 676 visa gave an extra 18 months if the person had been here before i think it couldn't hurt.

Let me start off by saying that YOU asked for advice. Just because someone gives information that you don't like or agree with is no reason to get narky.

You say "the s/c 676 is no longer available so why am I being argumentative". Well in your last paragraph you mention it again. I'll tell you again, that criterion is for PARENTS, so you can forget about it.

I think it's obvious from your posts that you have tailored your answer to DIAC to get an answer you want to hear.

The heading of your post says it all "Visa for family to look after newborn child".

This is from your first post "What we want is one of her family members preferably an Aunt to come and look after the child for hopefully a couple years after that. Main purpose is to save on childcare costs which are significant in my area".

IMO, basically what you want, is full time baby sitters to save you both money, and that's fair enough if that's what you want. But you've asked for a visa that allows you to do that and AFAIK, there isn't one.

And all of this stuff about not being paid isn't considered work. I know that's not correct. Using that scenario, would it be different if you owned a Thai restaurant and the aunt "helped" out in the kitchen for no pay? I don't think so. But why don't you ring DIAC for a 4th time.

Again, the definition of the visa is to holiday and visit family etc. If you think looking after a young child for 2 years falls under that umbrella, good luck to you.

You said, "am pretty confident in getting 12 month visa's" and " I'm happy with 12 months and then bringing someone else over for 12 months". I'm saying that given the information that you have provided, I think it will be a hard sell.

If I was a case officer, my first question would be "why does your Aunty want to stay in Australia for 6 or 12 months"? And if your reply was, something along the lines of "we want someone to look after our child while we work", I know what I'd be doing.

As I said previously, you won't know until you apply and I wish you luck with it.

Regards

Will

Edited June 20, 2013 by Will27

[n0mad]

Will,

firstly, the 676 is for parents this was determined after i called up the first time and was not known in the OP in fact the visa itself wasn't even known at the time. regardless, the visa is no longer available so why you keep being argumentative on it i don't know, perhaps you like having the last word.

back to the 600 visa, i think you are being very pedantic why would i tell immigration i want them to come back for a second visa? what if i change my mind and decide i don't want them back? Also, who is giving them a full time job in child care, they would be assisting us in the care of our child. Why would immigration want specifics?

to humor you i called again. I asked if my family was to apply for the 600 tourist visa and they came over and while visiting they were taking care of our baby while we work is it considered work. She clarified would they be paid and i said no. She put me on hold, came back and said the requirements of the Visa is that they come to visit family and friends, what they do in that time is their business and as long as they are not being paid it would not be considered work. if you doubt this i challenge you to call yourself and ask the same 131 881. I have called 3 times and none have said it is an issue. Why don't you make it a 4th, if you call right on 8:30am there is no wait.

that being said, as i mentioned there is still no guarantee of a visa greater than 3 months but your reasoning will not be why it is not given. They must still provide evidence of reasons to return, be able to support themselves (show $1k per month of stay) and be of good character etc. As i said i would bring them over for a short stay first to hopefully strengthen the application for 12 months whether that helps i have no idea but considering the 676 visa gave an extra 18 months if the person had been here before i think it couldn't hurt.

Let me start off by saying that YOU asked for advice. Just because someone gives information that you don't like or agree with is no reason to get narky.

You say "the s/c 676 is no longer available so why am I being argumentative". Well in your last paragraph you mention it again. I'll tell you again, that criterion is for PARENTS, so you can forget about it.

I think it's obvious from your posts that you have tailored your answer to DIAC to get an answer you want to hear.

The heading of your post says it all "Visa for family to look after newborn child".

This is from your first post "What we want is one of her family members preferably an Aunt to come and look after the child for hopefully a couple years after that. Main purpose is to save on childcare costs which are significant in my area".

IMO, basically what you want, is full time baby sitters to save you both money, and that's fair enough if that's what you want. But you've asked for a visa that allows you to do that and AFAIK, there isn't one.

And all of this stuff about not being paid isn't considered work. I know that's not correct. Using that scenario, would it be different if you owned a Thai restaurant and the aunt "helped" out in the kitchen for no pay? I don't think so. But why don't you ring DIAC for a 4th time.

Again, the definition of the visa is to holiday and visit family etc. If you think looking after a young child for 2 years falls under that umbrella, good luck to you.

You said, "am pretty confident in getting 12 month visa's" and " I'm happy with 12 months and then bringing someone else over for 12 months". I'm saying that given the information that you have provided, I think it will be a hard sell.

As I said previously, you won't know until you apply and I wish you luck with it.

Regards

Will

Will,

i suggest you read the thread from start to finish to see how it has evolved,

Yes i mentioned in the previous post my initial inquiry was regarding the 676 visa, yes it was for parents and if it was available i probably would have brought the mother in law instead but it's not available and is not longer even in consideration. anything regarding this visa is irrelevant, you need to forget about it and move on like i did.

secondly, i came for advice yes now why would i hold your advice over that of 3 people who work at the department of immigration? You are saying completely opposite things for them and you have yet to clarify what makes you more of an expert than them.

Please explain how the following "I asked if my family was to apply for the 600 tourist visa and they came over and while visiting they were taking care of our baby while we work is it considered work." is tailoring my question for my desired response?

your example is redundant, apples vs oranges really working in a restaurant is nothing like looking after a family member at home. If you KNOW it's not correct, then explain your expertise on this matter. you have yet to mention if you have experience or anything further on this. secondly, the child is family, they will be staying with us Family so how is this not visiting family?

I don't know how stupid you think i am, but if you think i'm going to tell them my whole life story in the application then you're kidding yourself. They only need to know what is necessary i'm not stupid enough to divulge possible future plans which may or may not even happen and are totally irrelevant to the application at hand. I'm applying for 1 visa not the next 6 as well.

[Jay Sata]

I appreciate you are applying for an initial single visa which if granted will last three months. However you are still faced with childcare problems once the aunt returns to Thailand.

The other issue you face is that she is not allowed to work during the trip but looking after your child as a nanny is most definitely work.

If you have watched Border Security on Channel 7 you'll be aware that often the scheme falls apart at the airport when the traveller is interviewed.

As a single woman travelling from Thailand to Australia I can tell you she'll be highlighted for questioning and the purpose of the visit as a child minder will emerge. That's assuming she can pass the initial visa stage in Thailand.

I cannot see you resolving the problem of childcare this way.

Edited June 20, 2013 by Jay Sata

[Old Croc]

Will is giving you sound advice.

The goal posts have moved with the new visa regime. The 676 is now redundant. It was for multiple entries, a stay of 6 or 12 months, was valid for up to 5 years, but was usually issued to parents of Australian citizens only.

From what I can work out with the new 600 (family) visa it is for one entry only and the period of stay is for 3 or 6 months which is decided by the issuing office. I would guess an aunt would probably get 3 months. The 12 month stay seems to be no more.

As a former Immigration Officer I can tell you that it would be highly improbable that a visitor would be in trouble for helping out in the family home. Although, I have cancelled visas of relatives helping out in the family shop or business, even when unpaid.

Having worked as a Senior Immigration Inspector at a major airport, I can advise that the aunt could be in difficulties on arrival if interviewed and her purpose of visit is doubted.

I also think you're pushing poo up hill.

[Jay Sata]

Some would ask is it fair to bring someone from Thailand when you could be employing an Aussie mum who needs a little extra money.

That's what I did when my son was a toddler in Perth,W.A.

Edited June 20, 2013 by Jay Sata

[n0mad]

just to clear things up:

the Aunt is married with 3 kids, there is no risk of marriage to an Australian.

She has a family home in Thailand

my wife is Dual national Australian and Thai

She will not be employed in anyway, not even a nanny, she will be assisting us with the care of our first child. What i want her to do is not necessarily what i will tell immigration we want her to do. As the immigration agent on the phone said what she does in our home is our business.

Old croc thanks for you insights i will take it all under advisement, i will still give it a go. Even if it fails a child care spot won't be a problem for us. I do have one question if she has funds to supports herself and we also guarantee support why would they question she isn't here to visit family? I can't understand why it would be doubted? We would have just had a new born this is naturally when all the family would want to come and visit? Also, thank you for clearing up the work bit, was getting very frustrated with that.

Jay Sata is it fair to deny the family access to their newest relative just because i can get a local baby sitter?

just one final clear up, i have been completely open here and said my intentions exactly it's not what i would necessarily put on the application. At the end of the day you only put what information is needed. something like we would like her to come and visit our new born, and give support to my wife who has been under great stress looking after the baby which is all true. sounds much better than she's coming as a nanny.

[David48]

Personally, I wish you well.

From all that I've read and had experience with, the road ahead for you might be difficult.

Should you be successful in part, or in whole, come back and share what you have learnt.

Even, if the Visa is declined, we learn from this.

Given your passion, I am sure you will give it a red hot go ...

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[Jasun]

Some would ask is it fair to bring someone from Thailand when you could be employing an Aussie mum who needs a little extra money.

That's what I did when my son was a toddler in Perth,W.A.

I'm not sure where the OP is from, but in Sydney you won't find an Aussie mum who'll do it for less than $50-$100 a day. If I had the option of having a relative to help out, I would jump at it.

[n0mad]

Personally, I wish you well.

From all that I've read and had experience with, the road ahead for you might be difficult.

Should you be successful in part, or in whole, come back and share what you have learnt.

Even, if the Visa is declined, we learn from this.

Given your passion, I am sure you will give it a red hot go ...

.

Thanks mate,

Will try my best, if they only get 3 months then so be it, i guess we were just unlucky with timing. I know there is a great possibility of only getting 3 months and this was explained by immigration basically anything over 3 months would need to be considered by the case officer. Whether visiting family is a good enough reason for a stay greater than 3 months we'll find out in time i guess.

Will let you know how it goes but it will be a while Baby comes in January.

@ Jasun

Yeah Sydney, my wife babysits sometimes $25 an hour and this is the going rate, so not going to happen.

[Jay Sata]

She will not be employed in anyway, not even a nanny, she will be assisting us with the care of our first child. What i want her to do is not necessarily what i will tell immigration we want her to do. As the immigration agent on the phone said what she does in our home is our business.

My experience of immigration worldwide is they are adept at asking questions to lead a person to reveal the true picture.

However good luck and let us know the outcome.