7by7 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 (edited) According to TMS the third umpire will only reverse a decision if there is definite evidence that it was wrong; otherwise he'll go with the onfield umpire. Hotspot is not the only tool he uses; there may be no hotspot for a number of reasons, not just because ball did not hit bat. If no hotspot is showing he will look at slow motion replays and listen to the sound coming from the stump microphone. TMS can hear the discussion between the third umpire and the onfield umpire. The third umpire heard a noise as the ball passed the bat, so went with the onfield umpire. Snicko later showed that the noise occurred a fraction before the ball passed the bat, and was probably from bat hitting back leg. If Snicko was available to the third umpire, he would probably have reversed the decision; but it isn't. If the onfeild umpire had given him not out and England had appealed, he would probably have upheld the not out decision. If there was no DRS then he would have been out as the umpire said he was, and we would not be having this discussion. TMS reckon that Snicko will be fast enough for use in the series in Australia. Edited August 1, 2013 by 7by7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkokhatter Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Good start by Australia and another shocking umpire decision, they must be in double figures by now. Can't get any of the live links to work without a pop-up in the middle of the picture, any ideas ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripstanley Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Good start by Australia and another shocking umpire decision, they must be in double figures by now. Can't get any of the live links to work without a pop-up in the middle of the picture, any ideas ? Click down bottom right of screen to make full screen view. The pop up will disappear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David48 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Good start by Australia and another shocking umpire decision, they must be in double figures by now. Can't get any of the live links to work without a pop-up in the middle of the picture, any ideas ? I'm watching on my computer in a hotel in Bangkok @ http://cricfree.tv/sky-sports-2-live-stream.php Just have to click the dialoge box off at the right. Can 'full screen' the link ... working great and we are on the shared Hotels WiFi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BookMan Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Good start by Australia and another shocking umpire decision, they must be in double figures by now. Can't get any of the live links to work without a pop-up in the middle of the picture, any ideas ? Some of the live links get an ad appear on screen for 30 seconds then u can watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 No doubt about that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BookMan Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 According to TMS the third umpire will only reverse a decision if there is definite evidence that it was wrong; otherwise he'll go with the onfield umpire. Hotspot is not the only tool he uses; there may be no hotspot for a number of reasons, not just because ball did not hit bat. If no hotspot is showing he will look at slow motion replays and listen to the sound coming from the stump microphone. TMS can hear the discussion between the third umpire and the onfield umpire. The third umpire heard a noise as the ball passed the bat, so went with the onfield umpire. Snicko later showed that the noise occurred a fraction before the ball passed the bat, and was probably from bat hitting back leg. If Snicko was available to the third umpire, he would probably have reversed the decision; but it isn't. If the onfeild umpire had given him not out and England had appealed, he would probably have upheld the not out decision. If there was no DRS then he would have been out as the umpire said he was, and we would not be having this discussion. TMS reckon that Snicko will be fast enough for use in the series in Australia. We the viewers all see and hear the same as the 3rd umpire does...as he replays it all. How could he get it so wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkokhatter Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Thanks for the info, just in time to see the wicket . Only downside is TMS commentary is a few balls ahead, decisions,decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 According to TMS the third umpire will only reverse a decision if there is definite evidence that it was wrong; otherwise he'll go with the onfield umpire. Hotspot is not the only tool he uses; there may be no hotspot for a number of reasons, not just because ball did not hit bat. If no hotspot is showing he will look at slow motion replays and listen to the sound coming from the stump microphone. TMS can hear the discussion between the third umpire and the onfield umpire. The third umpire heard a noise as the ball passed the bat, so went with the onfield umpire. Snicko later showed that the noise occurred a fraction before the ball passed the bat, and was probably from bat hitting back leg. If Snicko was available to the third umpire, he would probably have reversed the decision; but it isn't. If the onfeild umpire had given him not out and England had appealed, he would probably have upheld the not out decision. If there was no DRS then he would have been out as the umpire said he was, and we would not be having this discussion. TMS reckon that Snicko will be fast enough for use in the series in Australia. We the viewers all see and hear the same as the 3rd umpire does...as he replays it all.How could he get it so wrong? The same way the third umpire got it wrong for Trott at Trent bridge. Don't recall you complaining much about that. Boycott on TMS summing it up "He made a human error." It happens, and it happens to both teams. Technology wont change that. What do we do? The rules state that the third umpire can only overturn the decision of the onfeild umpire if he is sure that it is wrong. How long do we want the game held up for while he watches replay after replay before making a decision? Vic Marks, jokingly, suggested 12 'third umpires' and go with the majority! How long would that take? How many batsman in the 100 years plus of test cricket have been given out when they weren't? Countless. How many batsmen have been given not out when they were out? Countless. Wrong decisions have always been part of the game, and wrong decisions go both ways. Best to live with it and get on with the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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StreetCowboy Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 (edited) According to TMS the third umpire will only reverse a decision if there is definite evidence that it was wrong; otherwise he'll go with the onfield umpire. Hotspot is not the only tool he uses; there may be no hotspot for a number of reasons, not just because ball did not hit bat. If no hotspot is showing he will look at slow motion replays and listen to the sound coming from the stump microphone. TMS can hear the discussion between the third umpire and the onfield umpire. The third umpire heard a noise as the ball passed the bat, so went with the onfield umpire. Snicko later showed that the noise occurred a fraction before the ball passed the bat, and was probably from bat hitting back leg. If Snicko was available to the third umpire, he would probably have reversed the decision; but it isn't. If the onfeild umpire had given him not out and England had appealed, he would probably have upheld the not out decision. If there was no DRS then he would have been out as the umpire said he was, and we would not be having this discussion. TMS reckon that Snicko will be fast enough for use in the series in Australia. We the viewers all see and hear the same as the 3rd umpire does...as he replays it all.How could he get it so wrong? The same way the third umpire got it wrong for Trott at Trent bridge. Don't recall you complaining much about that. Boycott on TMS summing it up "He made a human error." It happens, and it happens to both teams. Technology wont change that. What do we do? The rules state that the third umpire can only overturn the decision of the onfeild umpire if he is sure that it is wrong. How long do we want the game held up for while he watches replay after replay before making a decision? Vic Marks, jokingly, suggested 12 'third umpires' and go with the majority! How long would that take? How many batsman in the 100 years plus of test cricket have been given out when they weren't? Countless. How many batsmen have been given not out when they were out? Countless. Wrong decisions have always been part of the game, and wrong decisions go both ways. Best to live with it and get on with the game. We all make the most of what we have. I'm still hoping for the beatification of Archie Gemmell Edited August 1, 2013 by StreetCowboy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted August 1, 2013 Author Share Posted August 1, 2013 Its clearly a batting pitch then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Smith just got his third life Though the middle one was difficult to say for sure, the first and third were definitely out. Wrong decisions do go both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkokhatter Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Have to agree with the T.V commentary, it seems the umpires are scared to trust their judgement and give a decision. That was plumb. Having said that it does work both ways. I would be quite happy if the ICC ditched the whole technology idea and let the umpires decide. It's worked ok for a couple of hundred years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreetCowboy Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Have to agree with the T.V commentary, it seems the umpires are scared to trust their judgement and give a decision. That was plumb. Having said that it does work both ways. I would be quite happy if the ICC ditched the whole technology idea and let the umpires decide. It's worked ok for a couple of hundred years. It worked pretty well, up until the advent of television, when suddenly every lardarsed instant-expert thought he knew better than the Umpire on the basis of a million slow motion replays. It would probably be better if they stopped televising cricket. SC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 The problems started when they started showing instant slow motion replays at the ground. Well done to Clarke on his 100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uptheos Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Technology will destroy cricket. Umpires decision on the field should be final and the pricks who know they hit the ball should walk. It was much more fun with Dickie,& David. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreetCowboy Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 The problems started when they started showing instant slow motion replays at the ground. Well done to Clarke on his 100. Personally, I think that the whole cricket experience would be improved by banning television, and using Richie Benaud as a speed limit on commentary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted August 1, 2013 Author Share Posted August 1, 2013 Fair play to Clarke....the Aussies are fighting hard now....good on 'em! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted August 1, 2013 Author Share Posted August 1, 2013 Its a draw. When is the next test? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BookMan Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 (edited) The same way the third umpire got it wrong for Trott at Trent bridge. Don't recall you complaining much about that. Boycott on TMS summing it up "He made a human error." It happens, and it happens to both teams. Technology wont change that. What do we do? The rules state that the third umpire can only overturn the decision of the onfeild umpire if he is sure that it is wrong. How long do we want the game held up for while he watches replay after replay before making a decision? Vic Marks, jokingly, suggested 12 'third umpires' and go with the majority! How long would that take? How many batsman in the 100 years plus of test cricket have been given out when they weren't? Countless. How many batsmen have been given not out when they were out? Countless. Wrong decisions have always been part of the game, and wrong decisions go both ways. Best to live with it and get on with the game. I think you have missed the point I was making yet again. Evidence clearly shows not out. No hotspot, No sound, No visual. Forget all past history. It is irrelevant. How can one person (third umpire) see something that no one else can? As for Trott... You should be sticking up for your own mate. Edited August 1, 2013 by BookMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BookMan Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Its a draw. When is the next test? Could be a win to the Aussies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BookMan Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Smith just got his third life Though the middle one was difficult to say for sure, the first and third were definitely out. Wrong decisions do go both ways. I went to sleep and haven't seen these. Wrong DRS decisions were they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will27 Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 Its clearly a batting pitch then. Come on smokes, be fair, the pitch was a minefield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BookMan Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 Its clearly a batting pitch then. Come on smokes, be fair, the pitch was a minefield I'm hoping Clarke can continue on and score himself another double century Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will27 Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 Well fella's, controversies aside, it was a day the Aussies and the series needed. Just hope the boys can bat into the 3rd session to give us a truck-load of runs to play with. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BookMan Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 Well fella's, controversies aside, it was a day the Aussies and the series needed. Just hope the boys can bat into the 3rd session to give us a truck-load of runs to play with. We don't need another batting collapse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkokhatter Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 An excellant and much needed knock from Clarke with some good support from Smith, has probably ended any hopes of an England win in this test. They also showed what rotating the strike can do, score at over 3 an over and frustrate Graeme Swann. Our batsmen are going to have to find some form when we bat or we may let the Aussies back into the series. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackr Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 Yep, all it takes is a good knock or two/dubious third umpire decisions and any test anywhere is in the balance. 1st test could've gone either way, as can this one, and it's not clear whether Eng will turn up to bat (stroll on). They may have been more consistent, but I don't go for all this Aus have no hope banter, it's closer than most think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbamboo Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 As an Englishman I'm glad the Aussies are showing some fight and more in this Test, especially considering Khawaja wasn't out. The last thing cricket fans here wanted was an easy win to wrap up the series with still two matches to play. I fancied Warner to come in and do a 'Botham' for the Aussies but so far he hasn't had to. Might still happen though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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