Salary Expectation

[mafia30]

I've got an job offer recently to work in a real estate company in Thailand as an assistant manager, applied the job in person here in Bangkok. I'm not sure what type of reasonable salary I can expect to make here.

I am single in my mid 20's, a master degree with 3 years working experiences in the real estate businesses.

The company do not offer visa and no allowances and benefit offers, I expect my salary can cover my visa run, tax, living costs and a fair bit of savings at the end of each month.

Thanks for any advice.

Edited June 14, 2013 by mafia30

[mafia30]

Again, I am expecting to have a moderately comfortable life in Bangkok. Is 60,000 baht per month a modest salary? Enough to cover all food, utilities, a bit of social life and rental expenses? I don't spend much money on partying an drinking.

Edited June 14, 2013 by mafia30

[Salapoo]

The company do not offer visa and no allowances and benefit offers,

A master's degree and you're accepting this?!?

Degree-less TEFLers, boiler room scammers and degenerates accept this sort of thing.

[Salapoo]

Again, I am expecting to have a moderately comfortable life in Bangkok. Is 60,000 baht per month a modest salary? Enough to cover all food, utilities, a bit of social life and rental expenses? I don't spend much money on partying an drinking.

Yes, it is just about okay in today's BKK/Thailand.

You'll have some crying that they live happily on 25k p/m eating roadside insect noodles for dinner, and others it won't even cover their rent, but single, 20s, yes you'll be fine for a few years until you get used to things and work up.

[PoorSucker]

If they don't provide you with paperwork for extension of stay and a work permit, decline.
You don't state your nationality, but for a western the minimum salary is 50.000 baht to get work permit and extension of stay based on employment.

[yoshiwara]

If they don't provide you with paperwork for extension of stay and a work permit, decline.

You don't state your nationality, but for a western the minimum salary is 50.000 baht to get work permit and extension of stay based on employment.

No work permit? Maybe because jobs of this type do not fall in the work permit availability category? ie it has to be under-the-counter? In which case they would be expecting you to do visa runs of one sort or another or maybe a sub-par ed visa. You want that? Edited June 14, 2013 by yoshiwara

[PattayaPhom]

No visa assistance means no work permit so don't accept. Basic salary plus 20% com and 5% for listing is norm. Use of company car, w p, tax and extensions all paid for by company. Keep looking.

[Soutpeel]

The company do not offer visa and no allowances and benefit offers, I expect my salary can cover my visa run, tax

If the company are not covering/offering a WP/Visa...why do you expect them to cover your tax ?

[Salapoo]

I've heard that some TEFL schools deduct tax from people working for them illegally.

[joeaverage]

The company do not offer visa and no allowances and benefit offers, I expect my salary can cover my visa run, tax

If the company are not covering/offering a WP/Visa...why do you expect them to cover your tax ?

read it again

[mafia30]

Again, I am expecting to have a moderately comfortable life in Bangkok. Is 60,000 baht per month a modest salary? Enough to cover all food, utilities, a bit of social life and rental expenses? I don't spend much money on partying an drinking.

Yes, it is just about okay in today's BKK/Thailand.

You'll have some crying that they live happily on 25k p/m eating roadside insect noodles for dinner, and others it won't even cover their rent, but single, 20s, yes you'll be fine for a few years until you get used to things and work up.

You mean I should negotiate a higher salary? What is the reasonable salary range in your opinion?

I am not exactly sure about the living costs in Thailand.

My Thai friend suggest me a salary of 50000 baht up per month is good but I know this is not enough to cover all my monthly expenses.

[mafia30]

No visa assistance means no work permit so don't accept. Basic salary plus 20% com and 5% for listing is norm. Use of company car, w p, tax and extensions all paid for by company. Keep looking.

I have to pay fo the visa, the

The company do not offer visa and no allowances and benefit offers,

A master's degree and you're accepting this?!?

Degree-less TEFLers, boiler room scammers and degenerates accept this sort of thing.

I think the company will assist me to get the visa, anyway I'll negotiate with the company to cover my visa.

What sort of benefits does it usually cover and what should I be aware of?

Thanks for your advice.

Edited June 15, 2013 by mafia30

[mafia30]

If they don't provide you with paperwork for extension of stay and a work permit, decline.

You don't state your nationality, but for a western the minimum salary is 50.000 baht to get work permit and extension of stay based on employment.

Australian Citizen.

Yes 50,000 baht is the minimum salary, I doubt if the company will accept me if I negotiate the salary too high, unless I am in a senior position to have a more bargaining power.

[mafia30]

The company do not offer visa and no allowances and benefit offers, I expect my salary can cover my visa run, tax

If the company are not covering/offering a WP/Visa...why do you expect them to cover your tax ?

Sorry I mean I have to pay for my own visa, the company will assist me to get the visa, that's my understanding.

[ajarnpot]

Hmm, graduate engineer of electrical can start up at government work for 12 - 15 k, private company maybe 15-20k

tefl - 40 k

I think for managerial you are looking at 30 k a month if a small business, if the owners like you and think you can help 40 k tops.

Would lay a bet of 10 k baht that it will not be more than 40k

[mafia30]

^^ that's the salary for locals right?

[yoshiwara]

No visa assistance means no work permit so don't accept. Basic salary plus 20% com and 5% for listing is norm. Use of company car, w p, tax and extensions all paid for by company. Keep looking.

I have to pay fo the visa, the

The company do not offer visa and no allowances and benefit offers,

A master's degree and you're accepting this?!?

Degree-less TEFLers, boiler room scammers and degenerates accept this sort of thing.

I think the company will assist me to get the visa, anyway I'll negotiate with the company to cover my visa.

What sort of benefits does it usually cover and what should I be aware of?

Thanks for your advice.

The number one question ignoring all the nebulous references to 'helping' you with a visa is this:

Is there a work permit attached with this job or not?

I suspect not and the employer knows it and will help you with some sort of fall-back position to keep you on the cheap. I hope I am mistaken

Edited June 17, 2013 by yoshiwara

[mafia30]

Let me confirm with the HR first, I think the employer will assist me to get the work permit, I'll working illegally if not.

[yoshiwara]

Let me confirm with the HR first, I think the employer will assist me to get the work permit, I'll working illegally if not.

Be careful. 'Helping' you with a situation that will not succeed is not being helpful at all really. I am not saying this is so, but your requirement should be that you will work with a work permit only.

[richardt1808]

^{Hi there,}

^{Real estate companies in Thailand are vastly different to other places in the world, so you need to differentiate and be a little more explicit. There are countless small operations who specialise in certain areas only and even medium sized RE companies here are really terrible on so many levels. Titles of manager and assistant manager are also used very loosely here so you need to be careful. If, indeed, your offer is from a large and well-established company, then it is very strange that they are not providing a work-permit. Many schools and small businesses make 'visa assistance' promises to so many people and then when they arrive, this assistance evapourates leaving the incumbent without a work-permit and without a proper visa. In most cases, when these people start to ask questions they soon find themselves without employment as well.}

^{The actual cost of a work-permit is a pittance, but the company is expected to provide loads of documents in order to secure it, so if they are hesitating or fudging the issue now, you can be assured that they wont be any more willing to dig up financial results and shareholder lists etc when the time comes. As others have said, visa-runs and under the table stuff are no good and you absolutely cannot work without a work-permit. You also can't get a work permit on your own - the company must be the one to do it; so dont let them try to convince you otherwise. I'd be very careful.}

^{Regarding remuneration: Salary of 50K for a manager in a good, reputable company would be about right, even for a Thai person, so you should expect this as a minimum.}

^{Best of luck !}

Edited June 17, 2013 by richardt1808

[ajarnpot]

I think any management done can be done by a Local thus renumeration will be the same

[ajarnpot]

Mafia I think that it will be 30 - 50 k with the company having a list of advantages and disadvantages of hiring non native manager

[Wavefloater]

No visa assistance means no work permit so don't accept. Basic salary plus 20% com and 5% for listing is norm. Use of company car, w p, tax and extensions all paid for by company. Keep looking.

I have to pay fo the visa, the

The company do not offer visa and no allowances and benefit offers,

A master's degree and you're accepting this?!?

Degree-less TEFLers, boiler room scammers and degenerates accept this sort of thing.

I think the company will assist me to get the visa, anyway I'll negotiate with the company to cover my visa.

What sort of benefits does it usually cover and what should I be aware of?

Thanks for your advice.

Visas aren't terribly expensive (1900 baht for my extension each year) but I'm suspicious that the company you refer to won't be giving you paperwork for a Non-Imm B visa -- perhaps an ED visa, so you can pretend to be a student while working for them. Besides, it's not the visa that's expensive, It's the work permit that costs the most. That's what you need to find out -- will you receive a work permit, and if so, who pays for it? Without a work permit, you'll be breaking the law doing anything deemed as employment, even volunteering.

(I just noticed that someone said the cost of a work permit is a pittance. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I thought it was somewhere around 20,000 baht. So, either I'm wrong about the cost of a WP, or his definition of "pittance" and mine don't agree. I'm not poor, by any means, but 20K isn't a pittance to me.)

Edited June 17, 2013 by Wavefloater

[coffeeman]

how can a foreigner be paid LEGALLY under 50.000bht a month? can't happen.

to qualify for a work permit, a foreigner needs to be paid 50.000bht a month.. CORRECT?

or did someone tell me BS??

[Soutpeel]

how can a foreigner be paid LEGALLY under 50.000bht a month? can't happen.

to qualify for a work permit, a foreigner needs to be paid 50.000bht a month.. CORRECT?

or did someone tell me BS??

There is no minimum salary specified to get a WP from the DOL, the minimum salary stated is to be granted a extension of stay and this comes from immigration not the DOL....

So someone tell you BS

[Soutpeel]

Visas aren't terribly expensive (1900 baht for my extension each year) but I'm suspicious that the company you refer to won't be giving you paperwork for a Non-Imm B visa -- perhaps an ED visa, so you can pretend to be a student while working for them. Besides, it's not the visa that's expensive, It's the work permit that costs the most. That's what you need to find out -- will you receive a work permit, and if so, who pays for it? Without a work permit, you'll be breaking the law doing anything deemed as employment, even volunteering.

(I just noticed that someone said the cost of a work permit is a pittance. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I thought it was somewhere around 20,000 baht. So, either I'm wrong about the cost of a WP, or his definition of "pittance" and mine don't agree. I'm not poor, by any means, but 20K isn't a pittance to me.)

The THB 20,000 you state is for "professional" fee's you pay to a company to obtain a WP for you...this is not the cost of the WP, the actual cost at immigration and the DOL is as stated a "pittance"