4th of july

[ou812]

just geting my pork ribs ready for the 4th dry rub applied for tommorow to put in the smoker.what do you do? just curious what do you do with beef being so scarse ? just think about these things for when i retire.Happy 4th of july to all us farang.

[NancyL]

So, ou812, from your post can we assume you're still in the good ole U.S. of A.?

If so, then first let me warn you that the term "farang" is regarded as a racial slur by some of us "farang" and, more importantly, it doesn't apply just to Americans. Let me also clue you into the absolute hatred you'll find to Americans here from others who speak English (or something that sorta sounds like English) as their mother language.

Now, as for the important stuff -- what do we do for July 4th? The Thai people, bless 'em, I never hear anti-American sentiment from them and I speak Thai, anyway they grow great pigs here. Way beyond what we can do in the U.S. Wonderful pork ribs and great sausages, provided they're made by knowing Americans, like Dave at The Dukes. Forget the hot dogs and hamburgers. I've developed a fondness for burgers made of ground pork, but I wouldn't eat those on the 4th of July even though they're much letter than the local "beef" burger. Frankly, I don't miss beef at all, once I discovered Thai pork and chicken and all the great imported meats at Makro, like tuna (yeah, not from a can), Norwegian salmon and French duck. Some would add Aussie/NZ lamb to this list.

As for beer -- Thai beer is very similar to the America mass-marketed beer. You'll develop a fondness for having comely young Thai women drop ice cubes into your beer when you're out for a night. The ice and eye candy make the beer much better. Sometimes American beers can be found, like at the 4th of July party River Market is having (with food from The Dukes.)

[Chiengmaijoe]

So, ou812, from your post can we assume you're still in the good ole U.S. of A.?If so, then first let me warn you that the term "farang" is regarded as a racial slur by some of us "farang" and, more importantly, it doesn't apply just to Americans. Let me also clue you into the absolute hatred you'll find to Americans here from others who speak English (or something that sorta sounds like English) as their mother language.Now, as for the important stuff -- what do we do for July 4th? The Thai people, bless 'em, I never hear anti-American sentiment from them and I speak Thai, anyway they grow great pigs here. Way beyond what we can do in the U.S. Wonderful pork ribs and great sausages, provided they're made by knowing Americans, like Dave at The Dukes. Forget the hot dogs and hamburgers. I've developed a fondness for burgers made of ground pork, but I wouldn't eat those on the 4th of July even though they're much letter than the local "beef" burger. Frankly, I don't miss beef at all, once I discovered Thai pork and chicken and all the great imported meats at Makro, like tuna (yeah, not from a can), Norwegian salmon and French duck. Some would add Aussie/NZ lamb to this list.As for beer -- Thai beer is very similar to the America mass-marketed beer. You'll develop a fondness for having comely young Thai women drop ice cubes into your beer when you're out for a night. The ice and eye candy make the beer much better. Sometimes American beers can be found, like at the 4th of July party River Market is having (with food from The Dukes.)

I'm not sure which farangs take offence at bring called a farang, but I would have thought that is their problem, not the Ops. Unless it's accompanied by a glare or foul language, you can refer to me as a farang as much as you like. It basically means "european, or caucasian" and generally speaking, I resemble that statement. As for the hatred of Americans, although I'm not exactly in a position to know, I would have thought the term "absolute hatred" is a bit dramatic, unless your definition of absolute is different to mine. I judge people as I find them and I'm sure that I'm not alone in that. Just to continue the theme of disagreeing with you, Thai beer is nothing like American mass-marketed beer - it's alcoholic, for a start.

Happy 4th of July.

[Tywais]

Let's not start down the 'farang' path please. The OP didn't ask for a discourse in the subject, just wishing a happy 4th.

[Chiengmaijoe]

Where else can you post a Happy 4th of July message and get you're head bitten off? To be fair though, she does seem to have had a hard day (judging by her 2 other recent posts), so you have to make allowances. A good night's sleep will probably make a big difference. I've got my money on her posting a bright, cheerful message in the morning. It's vastly underrated , is a good night's sleep.

[jonwilly]

Appy Birthday to all our Yankee 'Comrades', nearly used the F word.

Looking forward to your Thanksgiving and the excellent lunch at Dukes.

john

[elektrified]

A bit of a tough post by NancyL. Maybe a good night's sleep will help. I would say that during the Bush years "absolute hatred you'll find to Americans" was in fact true (even if we didn't even vote for him). But thankfully those days are behind us. Not that things are any better but let's save it for another discussion elsewhere.

[Loaded]

Happy 4th of July to all Americans. The ones I meet are usually very nice people.

I think it's their government and their policies of invading resource rich countries, creating instability and killing the locals which is hated. Most people can make the distinction between Americans and American government.

Americans are nice albeit a little naive about their leaders.

[Saan]

Happy 4th of July to all Americans. The ones I meet are usually very nice people.

I think it's their government and their policies of invading resource rich countries, creating instability and killing the locals which is hated. Most people can make the distinction between Americans and American government.

Americans are nice albeit a little naive about their leaders.

A happy 4th of July to you Nancy and all our American friends out there. America is an amazing country and does a lot of good around the world. Sometimes the Government crosses boundaries it shouldn't and people react just as many thinking Americans do and just as I do when my Government does things that I don't like.

Anyway, forget all that and have a great day as I intend to. Today I will even eat ribs without Vegemite.

God Bless America

[onthedarkside]

Really not CM related - maybe try in General Forum ----. moving

[Carib]

Welcome to the world outside the U.S Nancy L. It`s the real world, not the one they are trying to make you believe how it is or should be, and then expect the rest of the world to go along with that.

This may come as a shock, but most people think different. Hope this English is good enough for you Nancy L, you seem to think you have the norm there too.

With apologies to the OP, I am sure you did not set out to have your topic ruined by someone`s frustrated thought process.

Hope for the ones who celebrate the 4th that it is a good one.

[pigeonjake]

i celabrate it,

its my wifes birthday, sorry i cant be there, but ive just sent an ecard to her,

but to all you yanks,,, have a good un,

jake,, british

[JLCrab]

As an American the only thing that gets to me in being called a 'farang' is that they are actually calling me French-y.

However, on a lighter note, the Statue of Liberty in New York Harbor was a gift to the USA from France on its 100th anniversary July 4, 1876. The poem at the base of the Statue (by Emma Lazarus) final stanza reads thus:

"Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

[RaysFan]

Lol someone cant handle being a farang in Thailand? Sounds like its time go go home.... most come to Thailand SPECIFICALLY to be a farang....

Anyways ive asked many Thais about the word.... none use it as offensive. .. its a country of asians... were different. .. its how they refer to us... get off your high horse.

Oh, happy birthday American. .. being a combat vet in both Iraq and Afghanistan today has special meaning to me... missing my family today for sure.

Sent from my GT-I9500

[craigt3365]

Thailand actually has very good pork ribs. Beef ribs are another story. Hard to get good beef here, but it can be found.

The beer is OK, but I miss the huge selection back home. Especially the micro brews! And we won't even talk about wine. Too depressing.

[junglechef]

Happy 4th to you too. There is good beef here to be gotten (and more so if this trend and market demand continues) but the pork can be excellent so no worries about having a delish BBQ. I find many Thais don't care for beef so if one is planning on living a life coexisting and befriending the locals beef might not be an important feature in one's festivities. I, being brought up in a pork free household, have only made pork a regular part of my diet since living here and adapting to ones local is all part of the adventure. Your welcome to call me a Falang as I know what you mean and I won't live my life differently because there is haters here as there are everywhere. Now importantly a great thing here is that real big fireworks can be bought and light off! Celebrating Independence Day with all of the above, enjoy everyone!!

[Tywais]

A couple of off topic/nonsense/troll posts removed. Guess some people just like to rain on others' parade.

[theblether]

As an American the only thing that gets to me in being called a 'farang' is that they are actually calling me French-y.

However, on a lighter note, the Statue of Liberty in New York Harbor was a gift to the USA from France on its 100th anniversary July 4, 1876. The poem at the base of the Statue (by Emma Lazarus) final stanza reads thus:

"Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Good sentiment that, it's a pity it's been forgotten. The US was at it's strongest when it had an open door policy to immigrants.

Anyway, to that crazy, mixed up, compelling and wonderful country, Happy Birthday

You have always been there to sort things out when we Europeans have entered into an orgy of self destruction, twice in the last century you prevented serious humanitarian catastrophe's from becoming abominations. For that all we Europeans should be eternally thankful.

You've still not paid your tax bill though, come on, 237 years is long enough, just send a cheque and square it up eh?

[Neeranam]

As an American the only thing that gets to me in being called a 'farang' is that they are actually calling me French-y.

However, on a lighter note, the Statue of Liberty in New York Harbor was a gift to the USA from France on its 100th anniversary July 4, 1876. The poem at the base of the Statue (by Emma Lazarus) final stanza reads thus:

"Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Must be nice to get independence. Hopefully Scotland will soon.

They are not calling you Frenchy - that is 'farangset'.

Happy July 4th to the Yanks who celebrate it - have a good day!

Incidentally, has any country ever got independence from the USA?

[Kilgore Trout]

So, ou812, from your post can we assume you're still in the good ole U.S. of A.?If so, then first let me warn you that the term "farang" is regarded as a racial slur by some of us "farang" and, more importantly, it doesn't apply just to Americans. Let me also clue you into the absolute hatred you'll find to Americans here from others who speak English (or something that sorta sounds like English) as their mother language.Now, as for the important stuff -- what do we do for July 4th? The Thai people, bless 'em, I never hear anti-American sentiment from them and I speak Thai, anyway they grow great pigs here. Way beyond what we can do in the U.S. Wonderful pork ribs and great sausages, provided they're made by knowing Americans, like Dave at The Dukes. Forget the hot dogs and hamburgers. I've developed a fondness for burgers made of ground pork, but I wouldn't eat those on the 4th of July even though they're much letter than the local "beef" burger. Frankly, I don't miss beef at all, once I discovered Thai pork and chicken and all the great imported meats at Makro, like tuna (yeah, not from a can), Norwegian salmon and French duck. Some would add Aussie/NZ lamb to this list.As for beer -- Thai beer is very similar to the America mass-marketed beer. You'll develop a fondness for having comely young Thai women drop ice cubes into your beer when you're out for a night. The ice and eye candy make the beer much better. Sometimes American beers can be found, like at the 4th of July party River Market is having (with food from The Dukes.)

I'm not sure which farangs take offence at bring called a farang, but I would have thought that is their problem, not the Ops. Unless it's accompanied by a glare or foul language, you can refer to me as a farang as much as you like. It basically means "european, or caucasian" and generally speaking, I resemble that statement. As for the hatred of Americans, although I'm not exactly in a position to know, I would have thought the term "absolute hatred" is a bit dramatic, unless your definition of absolute is different to mine. I judge people as I find them and I'm sure that I'm not alone in that. Just to continue the theme of disagreeing with you, Thai beer is nothing like American mass-marketed beer - it's alcoholic, for a start.

Happy 4th of July.

It can be offensive depending how its used in context; but the way its used by the op here just shows stupidity in my opinion.

Negro basically means "african" or "black person," but I'm sure you will be hard pressed to find someone of that description who will agree with you and say (as you said) that you can refer to them as that as much as you like.

Btw; microbrew in Us is now mass marketed, Thai beer can not even compare to what we get in the US.

[JLCrab]

I'm aware of the farang-set but -- as I explain it -- the word 'farang' as currently used started a hundred or so years ago when, if you ran into a white male in this part of the world, he was always French.

[hml367]

I believe there have been US territories which have become independant nations.

Also, it may surprise many to find out how the "spoils of war" wanted to be claimed and what the USA prevented from happening after WWII.

[hellodolly]

rke

As an American the only thing that gets to me in being called a 'farang' is that they are actually calling me French-y.

However, on a lighter note, the Statue of Liberty in New York Harbor was a gift to the USA from France on its 100th anniversary July 4, 1876. The poem at the base of the Statue (by Emma Lazarus) final stanza reads thus:

"Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Happy birthday to the American contingent of Farangs.

Here in Chiang Mai we are having two celebrations that I know of. One will be at the River Market with a ticket only Buffet starting at 3:00 in the afternoon and running all day. 1,000 baht. It will include games dancing and a band. At 8:00 they are going to have a fire works display. It is going to be a great one. Last year they spent 50,000 baht on the fire works and had a professional choreograph the display. It was not a random firing of fire works it was a show, The only thing I ever saw that was any better was an International fire works display put on by various Nations in Vancouver BC. Some of the countries spent $250,000 U S on it.

[hellodolly]

As an American the only thing that gets to me in being called a 'farang' is that they are actually calling me French-y.

However, on a lighter note, the Statue of Liberty in New York Harbor was a gift to the USA from France on its 100th anniversary July 4, 1876. The poem at the base of the Statue (by Emma Lazarus) final stanza reads thus:

"Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

I think that was written before Thailand came on the scene. I would dearly love to take my wife to the States and show her where I grew up meet my family and learn a little how I earned my living, I estimate she would last two weeks then want to come home.

I see no hatred for Americans just a strong dislike for their government and some of it's policies especially the start winless wars ones.

Every one have a great day no matter what your nationality is.

[Kilgore Trout]

rke

As an American the only thing that gets to me in being called a 'farang' is that they are actually calling me French-y.

However, on a lighter note, the Statue of Liberty in New York Harbor was a gift to the USA from France on its 100th anniversary July 4, 1876. The poem at the base of the Statue (by Emma Lazarus) final stanza reads thus:

"Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Happy birthday to the American contingent of Farangs.

Here in Chiang Mai we are having two celebrations that I know of. One will be at the River Market with a ticket only Buffet starting at 3:00 in the afternoon and running all day. 1,000 baht. It will include games dancing and a band. At 8:00 they are going to have a fire works display. It is going to be a great one. Last year they spent 50,000 baht on the fire works and had a professional choreograph the display. It was not a random firing of fire works it was a show, The only thing I ever saw that was any better was an International fire works display put on by various Nations in Vancouver BC. Some of the countries spent $250,000 U S on it.

So you are purposely excluding Americans of African or Asian origin and do not wish them a happy 4th?

That sentence in itself shows that you do not understand the true spirit American values. in the name of diversity and inclusion I wish EVERY American a happy 4th!!!

[JLCrab]

Hello Kuhn Blether -- There is actually a contingent of Fergusons in the USA because, when their boat arrived at Ellis Island near the Statue of Liberty, they were asked their name and in German or Yiddish they said " Ich hab vergessen." or I forgot...

So the US Immigration officials just wrote down their name as 'Ferguson'.

[jackr]

Must be nice to get independence. Hopefully Scotland will soon.

Indeed, though some find it easier to walk on their own two feet than others. If you gave your vote to the English, you would be guaranteed independence... all we'd need then is the Welsh to do their own thing.

[bonobo]

This thread is running as a general Happy Birthday and comments about celebrations, food, etc., here in Thailand. Let's not let it devolve into a "the USA sucks/you'd be speaking German if it wasn't for us/Bush sucks/whatever" thread.

[Eesat]

I always think it very quaint to see the colonies celebrating,isn't this celebrating when England invented America?

[craigt3365]

I always think it very quaint to see the colonies celebrating,isn't this celebrating when England invented America?

Hmmm....I think you've left out a bit about us native Americans.