webfact Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 POLITICSNot hard to find if 'Thaksin's clip' is real: Forensic CopTHE NATIONBANGKOK: -- The sophisticated technology of today could quickly and easily determine if the two men in an audio clip conspiring to bring former PM Thaksin Shinawatra back to Thailand were actually Thaksin and Deputy Defence Minister Yuthasak Sasiprapha."If a clip is fake, you can see that the graph will rise and fall," Pol Lt Colonel Watcharat Chalermsuksan, a director at the Central Institute of Forensic Science (CIFS), said yesterday.Software like "Audacity" offered an easy and straightforward technique to dissect audio material by showing a sound graph, he said.Besides the voices, listening to background noise can be a giveaway. Fake clips do not have the same background noise, he said."It is also easier to determine whether a clip is doctored if we have the original," he said.The clip that has gone viral has become another hot potato for the government.While many believe it is genuine, Pheu Thai MPs claim it was made to sabotage the Yingluck government.Audio frequency analysers have been widely used by various industries for some time, while the government can turn to the National Police's Scientific Crime Detection Institute and the Justice Ministry's CIFS for forensic investigation.However, it is harder to detect a voice modified to sound like a specific person.The National Electronics and Computer Technology Centre is developing a program to check voice authenticity that is 100 per cent correct.The centre's equipment is 80 per cent accurate in terms of voice manipulation analysis.Assoc Prof Sathon Vijarnwannaluk from Chulalongkorn University said it was more |difficult to determine if a voice is genuine or edited than to check if an audio clip is doctored."It may be easier to detect a manipulated voice in a spoken word but it is harder to detect it in a sentence,'' he said.Examples of people whose voices have been imitated are popular Buddhist monk Phayom Kanlayano and even Thaksin, he said.-- The Nation 2013-07-10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bluespunk Posted July 9, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2013 "If a clip is fake, you can see that the graph will rise and fall," Pol Lt Colonel Watcharat Chalermsuksan, a director at the Central Institute of Forensic Science (CIFS), said yesterday." I don't think PT want to hear any sentence with the words rise and fall in them. Besides this whole issue has never been about the truth, it's about preventing the truth coming out and damage limitation. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NongKhaiKid Posted July 10, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2013 Like everything else here the truth is easy to find if it's decided before hand. Look how quickly Chalerm " solved " the motive in recent murder. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Issangeorge Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Why hasn't a major newspaper sent a copy of the clip to a company in the States States that analyses these things? Sent from my i-mobile IQ 6 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobileal app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chainarong Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 You don't need a forensic cop to sort this out, the two gentlemen concerned only have to tell the truth , now the forensic cop has he's work cut out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steffi Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Where is the clip I reckon I can tell Thaksin's voice from another. Has the clip been made publically available? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thaddeus Posted July 10, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2013 Well there you go, if you want to learn how to produce fake evidence, ask a policeman. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retell Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Why hasn't a major newspaper sent a copy of the clip to a company in the States States that analyses these things? Sent from my i-mobile IQ 6 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobileal app nah they just rip and modify an existing program way cheaper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retell Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Where is the clip I reckon I can tell Thaksin's voice from another. Has the clip been made publically available? would love to have a go at it also i even have some hightech as headphones and way better programs than audacity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tomross46 Posted July 10, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2013 Not hard to find if 'Thaksin's clip' is real: Forensic Cop If the forensic police verify the tape, will they first ask, what answer does the government want? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthEnergiser Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Where is the clip I reckon I can tell Thaksin's voice from another. Has the clip been made publically available? http://www.manager.co.th/Politics/ViewNews.aspx?NewsID=9560000082476 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzMick Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Where is the clip I reckon I can tell Thaksin's voice from another. Has the clip been made publically available? When your results are ready, e-mail them to [email protected] 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrain Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 "It is also easier to determine whether a clip is doctored if we have the original," he said. No kidding ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg71 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 The article mentions a programme called audacity well this so called program is very low end almost amateur likeused by at home studio musicians .There are many programs that voice analysts use this is not one of them, 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tominbkk Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 The article mentions a programme called audacity well this so called program is very low end almost amateur likeused by at home studio musicians .There are many programs that voice analysts use this is not one of them, Agreed. That is a freeware program, and I do not think it will do anywhere near the job. A simple search on Google for "voice matching software" gives you much better choices. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrain Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 The article mentions a programme called audacity well this so called program is very low end almost amateur likeused by at home studio musicians .There are many programs that voice analysts use this is not one of them, Agreed. That is a freeware program, and I do not think it will do anywhere near the job. A simple search on Google for "voice matching software" gives you much better choices. Don't worry, the HUB of voice recognition is hard at work and has a suitable program in a few days The National Electronics and Computer Technology Centre is developing a program to check voice authenticity that is 100 per cent correct. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iancnx Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 (edited) Things have gone eerily silent......... In the general news I mean Edited July 10, 2013 by iancnx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 (edited) Things have gone eerily silent......... In the general news I mean ... hope it's not the lull before the storm coup ? Edited July 10, 2013 by Ricardo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnxforever Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Not hard to find if 'Thaksin's clip' is real: Forensic Cop yes even specialists from abroad have difficulties testifying in court if a certain voice belongs to a certain person - see the ongoing Trevon Martin case in the US where not one single forensic expert could tell which one is shouting for help the suspect or the victim! But it is easy for the Thai police to find out who the voices on this tape belong to with software you can buy in any computer shop!! hahahaha.....hahahahaha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro01 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I think the cop is referring to the effects of splicing clips together in an audio file. That sort of thing would be easy to spot in audacity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belg Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 i guess someone will be asking 200 million baht soon for some software ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ballpoint Posted July 10, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2013 The very fact that there is even a grain of suspicion that an audio clip, which purports to reveal a deputy defence minister discussing the affairs of a nation, and its military leadership, with a convicted fugitive from justice, may be real, speaks far more about the problems facing this nation than the actual contents of the clip itself. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilly Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 While many believe it is genuine, Pheu Thai MPs claim it was made to sabotage the Yingluck government. No need to sabotage this government...they're doing a fine job on their own 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katipo Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 "While many believe it is genuine, Pheu Thai MPs claim it was made to sabotage the Yingluck government." This is all you need to keep the PTP believes happy. Anyone who says anything different, is just trying to discredit the government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezzra Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I'll lay bets that the tape will found to be by the "experts" as fake, or at best, "inconclusive" my question is, who taped the conversation ? for what purpose or agenda? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klauskunkel Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Not hard to find if 'Thaksin's clip' is real: Forensic Cop If the forensic police verify the tape, will they first ask, what answer does the government want? ...and second, how much you pay for the right results? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunken Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 What I don't understand is why Chalerm hasn't pronounced the result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bander Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 The article mentions a programme called audacity well this so called program is very low end almost amateur likeused by at home studio musicians .There are many programs that voice analysts use this is not one of them, Agreed. That is a freeware program, and I do not think it will do anywhere near the job. A simple search on Google for "voice matching software" gives you much better choices. Don't worry, the HUB of voice recognition is hard at work and has a suitable program in a few days The National Electronics and Computer Technology Centre is developing a program to check voice authenticity that is 100 per cent correct. The man in Dubai bought that company already and stopped distribution of all software, I wonder why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biplanebluey Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 "It is also easier to determine whether a clip is doctored if we have the original," he said. No kidding ? HaHa--------- Love the simplicity of it all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rametindallas Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 "It is also easier to determine whether a clip is doctored if we have the original," he said. No kidding ? HaHa--------- Love the simplicity of it all The original recording is in digital form on someone's phone. Since it is in digital form, all copies are identical to the original with no degradation of quality. The youtube version would suffice for forensic testing. There is no desire, either by the police or the press, to prove this recording is genuine; especially when everyone 'knows' it is. Krieng Jai - the desire not to cause someone embarrassment or discomfort - is still a strong factor in Thai culture. This is why there is little investigative/expose' type reporting in Thailand; it is mostly quoting government sources or antigovernment sources. Reporters are afraid of lawsuits for libel if they cannot expose their methods or sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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