Just want share what happend yesterday on my way to Pattaya! bad accident

[WinnieTheKhwai]

The endless barrage of barstool myths being spewed on this forum would be amusing if it wasn't for the fact that this time it is horrible and inhuman advice.

KEEP YOUR BARSTOOL CRAP IN THE BARS PLEASE.

Not to mention that I'd rather face legal trouble than ever let a person perish that I could have saved. The day I drive on without caring is the day I keep on driving, to the airport, and leave.

(Quite clearly though it's immediately obvious from the lack of damage to a vehicle that you weren't involved. That doesn't of course discourage the Barstool Brigade from driveling all over the place.)

I think the first thing to do , if you notice someone unconscious in the middle of the road , would be to " protect " the scene of the accident from oncoming traffic, by placing one of those triangle shaped signals at some 50/100 meters from the victim.

Well, honestly, being in Thailand i am not sure that every car has one of those signals, but it's quite useful, and can save your life, in the case you have to change a flat tyre..

I parked my vehicle a few yards in front of the person on the road with my hazard lights flashing. However some cars still 'flew' past at speed, if i had not done this, they would have run right over her. Like a previous poster said, they do not see very far in front, or see the need to do so.

Yes, I've done that too in the past. A reflective emergency triangle thing would definitely be helpful.. And/Or a flashlight. In fact I think I'll go put one in the car today.

I would modify to say, "Don't move the victim unless you have has some advanced medical training or experience in trauma . For me (former U S Army medic with advanced training) it would be: If the victim cannot move himself, wait for professionals.

Not disagreeing, but of course when the Professionals arrive, they just pick up the victim and chuck him/her in the back of a pick-up.

Edited July 24, 2013 by WinnieTheKhwai

[evadgib]

If you see a traffic accident in Thailand, you get away as fast as you can, or you could end up being blamed, the first thing Thais will do is try and find a way of getting money from you. This is not Thai bashing. It is fact.

Another urban myth originating from the barstools!

Have you experienced it first hand?

I have experienced it twice in 10 years. Both times it happened within a few months though.

First time: Im sitting at a T junction in Hua Hin, waiting for a gap in traffic. The nose of my car is firmly behind the line and not protuding. A guy on a motorbike idles past at around 20KMH. He looks like he cant decide between turning left into my road or going straight and wobbles the bike, slips in a puddle and lands on his arse. Nothing major, just a grazed elbow. I get out of my truck, walk over to him (10 yards) help him up and dust him off. I go to get back into my car and he says "pai nai... wait for police'. I try to drive away, motocycle taxi dudes block me and wont let me move. MIB turn up, ask for 2000 baht. I say no, he laughs and says ok and drives away. Two more coppers come and take 'both sides' of the story. They say 2000 baht, and he is happy. I call the tourist police who arive and we all go to the station. I stood firm for 3 hours and eventualy got p1ssed off with sitting in the station. I took out 1000 baht, threw it at the guys feet and called him a dog, in Thai. he just laughed and picked up the money.

Second time: Two guys on a motorbike go flying past me while I am sitting at lights. They come off at speed, skidding down the road. My mate who was with me said "dont stop, remember what happened last time" to which i said "there is no way in hell anyone could corolate my involvment with two drunk kids who flew off there bike 25 yards from me. cut to the chase, they did. They proclaimed i nudged my nose out with made them jump and come off. This despite the fact that they were laughably far away and my car was in park. They wanted 10,000 baht. I said i would happily spend the rest of my life in prison to avoid being taken for an idiot again and off we all went to the station. There was cameras at the lights and I demanded they pull the footage as it would show i was just sitting in my car, stationary. They said the cameras dont work. 2 hours later its down to 5000 baht. Again, i pulled out 1000 baht, threw it at the kids feet and called them dogs. The police went nuts at this, and i went nuts back. Everyone lost there temper quite a bit untill a friendly trafic cop i know came in and defused the situation. I dont know what sort of rank the trafic cop commands as i only ever see him riding up and down beach road pulling people over for minor offences but he must have been a seargent or something as he gave me the 1000 baht back, said he was sorry about this, and told me to leave.

I just thought of a third time: Driving through Khon Kean with my ex gf. She is driving, I am passanger. Mum and Brother in the back seat. Young girl pulls out of knowehere and we smack her head on. She just sort of pulled out, seen us coming, and froze like a rabbit in headlights. She must have flown 20 feet before ending up in a ditch. Her bike was totaly wrote off. Everyone in the car just froze and I said "jesus christ get out and help her!" I dashed over to the ditch fully expecting her to be dead and to my amazment, she just had a split lip. A real NASTY split lip almost like someone took a surgeons knife and opened her lip from the bottom of her nose all the way down. She will definatley have a hair lip type scar for life and she was such a pretty thing i did feel so sad for her. Age 16, poor kid. I got her in the back of gf truck, sat with her in the open back and cradled her all the way to hospital while she sat in mute shock. Got to hospital, family come, insurance people come. We establish that she is not badly injured and trundle off to the cop shop. Witnesses are spoke with by the police who all say the girl just pulled out of a side road and drove straight into us, leaving us with no chance. Witnesses all state my gf was driving to the speed limit and driving carefully. Insurance people, without hesitation and after gathering all facts, sided with my gf. It was fully established by all parties that it was the kids fault. Despite this, me my ex gf and the kids family together with insurance guy sat in the cop shop while they ranted and raved about how there pretty girl is scared for life and they wanted compensating 150,000 baht. I must have said 1000 times "but its not our fault, its been established it is her wrong not ours" but it all fell on deaf ears.

The funny thing? I wasnt even farking driving - yet it was me they were tearing into for money.

I was actualy going to offer some help anyway. This kid was so sweet and pretty and i couldnt get it out of my head that If i hadnt have asked to drive up to KK from my gf's village, she would be a picture of health now and in some strange way, because of my decision to go KK, that girl was now scarred for life and whilst it was not my fault, i felt that i should help. As soon as they started asking for money, i took a whole different view and insisted i would give them fark all. I was just another ferang they wanted to stitch up. Even the insurance guy looked ashamed. Of course i did not hold firm as there is only a certain amount of time i can sit in a station for and so i pulled out 5,000 baht and said "i sware on the life of my father you will not get one single baht more from me so either take this, or take nothing". They refused, demanded 150,000. It went down to 100,000. Then 80,000. I just sat there and refused to speak to anyone. I was sitting on a chair for 2 more hours with 5,000 baht in my hand saying nothing at all. Eventualy the cop said to the family "look at him, the guy is never going to budge from 5,000. Just take it". They took it and gave me a mouthfull of abuse all the way out of the cop shop to there cars.

So it does happen.

Dashcams cost less than the losses listed above, inc the time wasted @ police stations.

Edited July 24, 2013 by evadgib

[doggie888888]

If you see a traffic accident in Thailand, you get away as fast as you can, or you could end up being blamed, the first thing Thais will do is try and find a way of getting money from you. This is not Thai bashing. It is fact.

after reading this, I am more inclined to just let a farang lie bleeding by the roadside. He is probably drunk and thus injuries are self inflicted. gee, it is so easy to generalise and be offensive.

[NoshowJones]

If you see a traffic accident in Thailand, you get away as fast as you can, or you could end up being blamed, the first thing Thais will do is try and find a way of getting money from you. This is not Thai bashing. It is fact.

after reading this, I am more inclined to just let a farang lie bleeding by the roadside. He is probably drunk and thus injuries are self inflicted. gee, it is so easy to generalise and be offensive.

I am talking about Thais, not Farangs. If you see an accident involving Thais, think very hard before you get involved.

[Johnniey]

 

If you see a traffic accident in Thailand, you get away as fast as you can, or you could end up being blamed, the first thing Thais will do is try and find a way of getting money from you. This is not Thai bashing. It is fact.

Another urban myth originating from the barstools!

Have you experienced it first hand?

 

 

I have experienced it twice in 10 years.  Both times it happened within a few months though. 

 

First time:  Im sitting at a T junction in Hua Hin, waiting for a gap in traffic.  The nose of my car is firmly behind the line and not protuding.  A guy on a motorbike idles past at around 20KMH.  He looks like he cant decide between turning left into my road or going straight and wobbles the bike, slips in a puddle and lands on his arse.  Nothing major, just a grazed elbow.  I get out of my truck, walk over to him (10 yards) help him up and dust him off.  I go to get back into my car and he says "pai nai... wait for police'.  I try to drive away, motocycle taxi dudes block me and wont let me move.  MIB turn up, ask for 2000 baht.  I say no, he laughs and says ok and drives away.  Two more coppers come and take 'both sides' of the story.  They say 2000 baht, and he is happy.  I call the tourist police who arive and we all go to the station.  I stood firm for 3 hours and eventualy got p1ssed off with sitting in the station.  I took out 1000 baht, threw it at the guys feet and called him a dog, in Thai.  he just laughed and picked up the money.

 

Second time:  Two guys on a motorbike go flying past me while I am sitting at lights.  They come off at speed, skidding down the road.  My mate who was with me said "dont stop, remember what happened last time" to which i said "there is no way in hell anyone could corolate my involvment with two drunk kids who flew off there bike 25 yards from me.  cut to the chase, they did.  They proclaimed i nudged my nose out with made them jump and come off.  This despite the fact that they were laughably far away and my car was in park.  They wanted 10,000 baht.  I said i would happily spend the rest of my life in prison to avoid being taken for an idiot again and off we all went to the station.  There was cameras at the lights and I demanded they pull the footage as it would show i was just sitting in my car, stationary.  They said the cameras dont work.  2 hours later its down to 5000 baht.  Again, i pulled out 1000 baht, threw it at the kids feet and called them dogs.  The police went nuts at this, and i went nuts back. Everyone lost there temper quite a bit untill a friendly trafic cop i know came in and defused the situation.  I dont know what sort of rank the trafic cop commands as i only ever see him riding up and down beach road pulling people over for minor offences but he must have been a seargent or something as he gave me the 1000 baht back, said he was sorry about this, and told me to leave.

 

I just thought of a third time:  Driving through Khon Kean with my ex gf.  She is driving, I am passanger.  Mum and Brother in the back seat.  Young girl pulls out of knowehere and we smack her head on.  She just sort of pulled out, seen us coming, and froze like a rabbit in headlights.  She must have flown 20 feet before ending up in a ditch.  Her bike was totaly wrote off.  Everyone in the car just froze and I said "jesus christ get out and help her!"  I dashed over to the ditch fully expecting her to be dead and to my amazment, she just had a split lip.  A real NASTY split lip almost like someone took a surgeons knife and opened her lip from the bottom of her nose all the way down.  She will definatley have a hair lip type scar for life and she was such a pretty thing i did feel so sad for her.  Age 16, poor kid.  I got her in the back of gf truck, sat with her in the open back and cradled her all the way to hospital while she sat in mute shock.  Got to hospital, family come, insurance people come.  We establish that she is not badly injured and trundle off to the cop shop.  Witnesses are spoke with by the police who all say the girl just pulled out of a side road and drove straight into us, leaving us with no chance.  Witnesses all state my gf was driving to the speed limit and driving carefully.   Insurance people, without hesitation and after gathering all facts, sided with my gf.  It was fully established by all parties that it was the kids fault.  Despite this, me my ex gf and the kids family together with insurance guy sat in the cop shop while they ranted and raved about how there pretty girl is scared for life and they wanted compensating 150,000 baht.  I must have said 1000 times "but its not our fault, its been established it is her wrong not ours" but it all fell on deaf ears.

 

The funny thing?  I wasnt even farking driving - yet it was me they were tearing into for money.  

 

I was actualy going to offer some help anyway.  This kid was so sweet and pretty and i couldnt get it out of my head that If i hadnt have asked to drive up to KK from my gf's village, she would be a picture of health now and in some strange way, because of my decision to go KK, that girl was now scarred for life and whilst it was not my fault, i felt that i should help.  As soon as they started asking for money, i took a whole different view and insisted i would give them fark all.  I was just another ferang they wanted to stitch up.  Even the insurance guy looked ashamed.  Of course i did not hold firm as there is only a certain amount of time i can sit in a station for and so i pulled out 5,000 baht and said "i sware on the life of my father you will not get one single baht more from me so either take this, or take nothing".  They refused, demanded 150,000.  It went down to 100,000.  Then 80,000.  I just sat there and refused to speak to anyone.  I was sitting on a chair for 2 more hours with 5,000 baht in my hand saying nothing at all.  Eventualy the cop said to the family "look at him, the guy is never going to budge from 5,000.  Just take it".  They took it and gave me a mouthfull of abuse all the way out of the cop shop to there cars.

 

So it does happen.

Not sure if I believe all this story.

If true, I'm intrigued to what you look like. The typical tourist? A big grin on your face inviting being taken to the cleaners. The tourist police I guess can help if all you know in the language is pai nai and ma.

If true, what a mug paying in the first case. No way I'd pay a cent.

Third case you weren't even driving and you gave them 5000 baht. Man, it's people like you that make the farang that live here get a hard time sometimes.

Second case, you live near beach road?

Did you have a girl with a mini skirt and tattoo from Khon Kaen in the car?

This is the same as having a sticker on your car saying, I'm ripe for picking.

[anon210]

3. Don't move the victim unless you have some first aid training.

I would modify to say, "Don't move the victim unless you have has some advanced medical training or experience in trauma . For me (former U S Army medic with advanced training) it would be: If the victim cannot move himself, wait for professionals. If the victim can move himself, encourage him to do so very carefully.

Spinal injuries are really dangerous to move.

In first aid terms, there is one big exception, and that is, of course, the accident on a highway. In that case, the immediate risk to the victim to be hit again is higher than the risk of any damage. Nevertheless, before moving the victim, take good care not to get involved yourself in an accident! You should never endanger yourself recklessly to save a victim.

The first step is to divert or slow down the traffic ahead of the accident, then only take action.

I was wondering if some strobe lights might be useful for emergency purposes on a car? As it would clearly be a warning for oncoming traffic, more easily perceived than the triangle.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/eBay-Motors-/6000/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=red+emergency+led+lights

The risk being of getting in trouble with the police for unauthorized light signaling materials.

And forget my question, it was already addressed in this thread: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/389948-led-strobe-lights-for-emergencies/

Edited July 24, 2013 by freemindxs

[Munger]

If you see a traffic accident in Thailand, you get away as fast as you can, or you could end up being blamed, the first thing Thais will do is try and find a way of getting money from you. This is not Thai bashing. It is fact.

To the OP - it is not a Thai thing to ignore others. I've seen the same in my country in cities where people collapsing on the pavement are ignored for hours by passersby.

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NONSENSE, what country are you from ? "ignored for HOURS " You thai apologists dont know when to stop

I think you'd be surprised.. If someone looks like they could be drunk or could reasonably be sleeping, people will tell themselves they are and do nothing. Of course a respectable looking old lady is different.

NONSENSE, the topic is about an accident, NOT some" drunk prick" in a gutter.

[Neeranam]

If you see a traffic accident in Thailand, you get away as fast as you can, or you could end up being blamed, the first thing Thais will do is try and find a way of getting money from you. This is not Thai bashing. It is fact.

To the OP - it is not a Thai thing to ignore others. I've seen the same in my country in cities where people collapsing on the pavement are ignored for hours by passersby.

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NONSENSE, what country are you from ? "ignored for HOURS " You thai apologists dont know when to stop

Happens in many countries(warning some of these videos are disturbing.)

Uk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSsPfbup0ac

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/7760713/Passers-by-ignored-dying-man-for-two-hours.html

America

http://ourlatinamerica.blogspot.com/2010/04/guatemalan-good-samaritan-dies-ignored.html

China

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi_t7QGHhdE

[ALFREDO]

yeh my gf did not want me go help too, she yak yak

but i didnt listen her

what the f. she knows, just simple thai girl, i dont take life advices from her at all, although i love her

-Mataleo-

Thank you for your posting, you have the right attitude and perspective.

Edited July 24, 2013 by ALFREDO

[vtjforyou]

I was a human in US.

Now I don't care that anybody dies at my feet.

Just sad for their kids but this is the price to let retarded people have children.

[thelongshoot]

If you see a traffic accident in Thailand, you get away as fast as you can, or you could end up being blamed, the first thing Thais will do is try and find a way of getting money from you. This is not Thai bashing. It is fact.

Another urban myth originating from the barstools!

Have you experienced it first hand?

I have experienced it twice in 10 years. Both times it happened within a few months though.

First time: Im sitting at a T junction in Hua Hin, waiting for a gap in traffic. The nose of my car is firmly behind the line and not protuding. A guy on a motorbike idles past at around 20KMH. He looks like he cant decide between turning left into my road or going straight and wobbles the bike, slips in a puddle and lands on his arse. Nothing major, just a grazed elbow. I get out of my truck, walk over to him (10 yards) help him up and dust him off. I go to get back into my car and he says "pai nai... wait for police'. I try to drive away, motocycle taxi dudes block me and wont let me move. MIB turn up, ask for 2000 baht. I say no, he laughs and says ok and drives away. Two more coppers come and take 'both sides' of the story. They say 2000 baht, and he is happy. I call the tourist police who arive and we all go to the station. I stood firm for 3 hours and eventualy got p1ssed off with sitting in the station. I took out 1000 baht, threw it at the guys feet and called him a dog, in Thai. he just laughed and picked up the money.

Second time: Two guys on a motorbike go flying past me while I am sitting at lights. They come off at speed, skidding down the road. My mate who was with me said "dont stop, remember what happened last time" to which i said "there is no way in hell anyone could corolate my involvment with two drunk kids who flew off there bike 25 yards from me. cut to the chase, they did. They proclaimed i nudged my nose out with made them jump and come off. This despite the fact that they were laughably far away and my car was in park. They wanted 10,000 baht. I said i would happily spend the rest of my life in prison to avoid being taken for an idiot again and off we all went to the station. There was cameras at the lights and I demanded they pull the footage as it would show i was just sitting in my car, stationary. They said the cameras dont work. 2 hours later its down to 5000 baht. Again, i pulled out 1000 baht, threw it at the kids feet and called them dogs. The police went nuts at this, and i went nuts back. Everyone lost there temper quite a bit untill a friendly trafic cop i know came in and defused the situation. I dont know what sort of rank the trafic cop commands as i only ever see him riding up and down beach road pulling people over for minor offences but he must have been a seargent or something as he gave me the 1000 baht back, said he was sorry about this, and told me to leave.

I just thought of a third time: Driving through Khon Kean with my ex gf. She is driving, I am passanger. Mum and Brother in the back seat. Young girl pulls out of knowehere and we smack her head on. She just sort of pulled out, seen us coming, and froze like a rabbit in headlights. She must have flown 20 feet before ending up in a ditch. Her bike was totaly wrote off. Everyone in the car just froze and I said "jesus christ get out and help her!" I dashed over to the ditch fully expecting her to be dead and to my amazment, she just had a split lip. A real NASTY split lip almost like someone took a surgeons knife and opened her lip from the bottom of her nose all the way down. She will definatley have a hair lip type scar for life and she was such a pretty thing i did feel so sad for her. Age 16, poor kid. I got her in the back of gf truck, sat with her in the open back and cradled her all the way to hospital while she sat in mute shock. Got to hospital, family come, insurance people come. We establish that she is not badly injured and trundle off to the cop shop. Witnesses are spoke with by the police who all say the girl just pulled out of a side road and drove straight into us, leaving us with no chance. Witnesses all state my gf was driving to the speed limit and driving carefully. Insurance people, without hesitation and after gathering all facts, sided with my gf. It was fully established by all parties that it was the kids fault. Despite this, me my ex gf and the kids family together with insurance guy sat in the cop shop while they ranted and raved about how there pretty girl is scared for life and they wanted compensating 150,000 baht. I must have said 1000 times "but its not our fault, its been established it is her wrong not ours" but it all fell on deaf ears.

The funny thing? I wasnt even farking driving - yet it was me they were tearing into for money.

I was actualy going to offer some help anyway. This kid was so sweet and pretty and i couldnt get it out of my head that If i hadnt have asked to drive up to KK from my gf's village, she would be a picture of health now and in some strange way, because of my decision to go KK, that girl was now scarred for life and whilst it was not my fault, i felt that i should help. As soon as they started asking for money, i took a whole different view and insisted i would give them fark all. I was just another ferang they wanted to stitch up. Even the insurance guy looked ashamed. Of course i did not hold firm as there is only a certain amount of time i can sit in a station for and so i pulled out 5,000 baht and said "i sware on the life of my father you will not get one single baht more from me so either take this, or take nothing". They refused, demanded 150,000. It went down to 100,000. Then 80,000. I just sat there and refused to speak to anyone. I was sitting on a chair for 2 more hours with 5,000 baht in my hand saying nothing at all. Eventualy the cop said to the family "look at him, the guy is never going to budge from 5,000. Just take it". They took it and gave me a mouthfull of abuse all the way out of the cop shop to there cars.

So it does happen.

Not sure if I believe all this story.

If true, I'm intrigued to what you look like. The typical tourist? A big grin on your face inviting being taken to the cleaners. The tourist police I guess can help if all you know in the language is pai nai and ma.

If true, what a mug paying in the first case. No way I'd pay a cent.

Third case you weren't even driving and you gave them 5000 baht. Man, it's people like you that make the farang that live here get a hard time sometimes.

Second case, you live near beach road?

Did you have a girl with a mini skirt and tattoo from Khon Kaen in the car?

This is the same as having a sticker on your car saying, I'm ripe for picking.

ha Ha Ha, Thai Visa.... Always one isnt there? I litteraly couldnt give a toss if you believe it or not. I explained everything in detail and if you chose to be a dick about it, fine. It is an established con which has done the rounds time and time again so how you could not believe it is beyond me. I can only assume you havent been in Thailand to long.

Im no mug mate. I have money, but one thing I dont have is time and so i refuse to sit in a police station for hours and just figure I will chuck 1000 Baht to kill it all. Lesson learnt for me as I will never help a Thai involved in an accident again.

There is more than one beach road in Thailand you ignorant <deleted>. I live in Hua Hin, have lived in Thailand for 10 years and speak the language reasonably.