No good deed: Chiang Mai ex-pat shot by man he tried to help

[morpho]

All I can say is that if the shooter gets off because of some "mental defect", then it will be another Travesty in Thailand! Yeah he was intoxicated but he clearly knew what he was doing and that it was wrong...IMHO.

[ericjt]

IMHO, Brown stuck his nose in where it didn't belong.

Sorry he got hurt, but that's what happens sometimes when you do that. Especially in a country where he's a foreigner and saving face is important.

I don't see him as a "good samaritan" from the story above. I see him more like somebody who doesn't know when/where to butt out.

Edited July 25, 2013 by ericjt

[phalangBuddha]

its this kind of thing that reminds me of how smart i am for not building a house in Thailand. after i get my social secirity check and retire, i will be moving BACK to Iowa to die there.

[AlexProBkk]

10 dollars sent... Get better soon mate!

[bangkokheat]

you cant help thais, dont lend them money or anything, dont get involved in their conflicts by helping

[Hecate]

Very sorry to hear that this guy was seriously injured, and I wish him a speedy recovery. I don't think helping the Thai out caused this. It was standing outside the bar when the he drove past. That's pretty random.

[Hecate]

Very sorry to hear that this guy was seriously injured, and I wish him a speedy recovery. I don't think helping the Thai out caused this. It was standing outside the bar when the he drove past. That's pretty random.

[cloudhopper]

Isn't this the same story from a month ago?

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/648581-dentistry-student-held-for-shooting-at-tourists/

[chooka]

If it happened in a bar in detroit, would it be any different?

It wouldn't make the Thai news or be thai related. It may very be in the Detroit media and open for discussion and people could say "if it happened in a bar in Chiangmai, would it be any different." Unrelated things across the other side of the world don't make this a lesser crime. I am sure the victim and his family aren't saying hey it happens in Detroit so we will strike this one off.

No offence intended.

[slipperylobster]

TWas there not another drive by shooting by a Dental student not long ago. Chiang Mai again.

[metisdead]

Isn't this the same story from a month ago?

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/648581-dentistry-student-held-for-shooting-at-tourists/

Yes, It looks like this thread is a follow up/update to the topic you linked to.

[metisdead]

Off topic baiting posts have been removed. Inflammatory posts and replies have been removed. Keep it civil when posting, thanks.

[jpduggan]

In what way had he tried to help the shooter,was it by bungling him out the door like a bouncer. Surely it was the staff of the bar that this guy tried to help. ''Good deed'' not by a long shot

[Torrens54]

Isn't this an old story (about a person who didn't know better than to intervene in a Thai fracas -- perhaps an unfortunate person with good intentions who maybe doesn't understand the importance to Thais of saving face)?

My wife is constantly warning me about this type of thing. It also includes "not letting my feelings be known" when some self-centred, idiot on the road nearly causes an accident.

Not quite, the "Land of Smiles" that would-be tourists are told about eh?

[djvolak]

Ya know what...who gives a rats ass about the shooter...he's in a mental hospital supposedly and will soon be in

court...also supposedly...I hope he burns. Hoverver Mr. Brown...seriously injured and at present paralysed in

hospital is facing a huge problem...finances...and recovery. This is not an unusual story...many tourists have no

insurance and many insurance companies most likely do not have a clause/option for coverage if one get's shot.

Mr. Brown just tried to help and along with others got shot...by a drunk local twit (rich or poor who cares) in a

drive by shooting. I've fired off some Baht for his fundraiser...perhaps others reading this thread should do likewise

instead of speculating about the outcome or other matters of this incident...because that's all irrelevant now ain't it.

Best post here so far. I will follow your lead. I hope the youngster gets better soon.

[Maggusoil]

Ever tried to break up a dog fight with your bare hands?

Take a look around at all the sensible people standing back and doing nothing.

If you're related, or know the people or the circumstance one would understand,

but strangers, drunk, in a pub? Not a good call. Anywhere.

[chooka]

Isn't this the same story from a month ago?

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/648581-dentistry-student-held-for-shooting-at-tourists/

Yes, It looks like this thread is a follow up/update to the topic you linked to.

So this one and the dental student one are both the same? That's good, was sounding like Chiangmai was after the drive by "HUB" title. Good to know it is only one incident.

[kjhbigv]

“Me and Nic went outside to talk and I saw my girlfriend Daytona with a very drunk Thai man,” Powell said via Facebook message. “She introduced him to me. He didn’t [seem] too terribly grabby but did seem very drunk. We returned to the table and the drunk Thai man followed.

Probably more to the story than reported.

There is....read the link on the shooters name....he was flirting with the shot man's girl!

[crazydrummerpauly]

For me, every ex-pat's best friend in what is an alien environment is PARANOIA, not a belief that one is in some way accepted or 'at home' here. There is only one motto needed : 'Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst'. Old words but wise words for all travelers and residents in foreign lands.

Edited July 25, 2013 by crazydrummerpauly

[Berkshire]

If it happened in a bar in detroit, would it be any different?

It wouldn't make the Thai news or be thai related. It may very be in the Detroit media and open for discussion and people could say "if it happened in a bar in Chiangmai, would it be any different." Unrelated things across the other side of the world don't make this a lesser crime. I am sure the victim and his family aren't saying hey it happens in Detroit so we will strike this one off.

No offence intended.

I think his point is that it's not a "Thai thing," and correct he is. This is certainly appropriate as this thread is filled with anti-Thai rants about Thainess, TIT, and so forth. I don't see you correcting the comments of those misguided folks.

[Zumteufel]

Oh, the unimaginable horrors of losing face.

What the hell is wrong with some people. Jeez.

[mikemac]

Yep you are absolutely correct! I live next to an Austrailian bar here in London and every now and then there's always a big scuffle leading to the cops being called; especially bad after cricket or rugby days (oh god don't make me go on about when England beat Australia in the Ashes a few years back). They then get locked up for a while. Austrailians; once convicts, always convicts, everywhere in the world!

Do you now realize how moronic you are?

Thanks mate, your amazing comment gave me a much needed laugh.

In my opinion, the morons were the ones who sent the crims to one of the best countries in the world, and hung on to that cold and wet country they call home. If your ancestors had half a brain they would have packed up Government and the Palace and moved to Australia and left all the scumbags behind to shiver their <deleted> off.

The UK fits into Australia almost 32 times and has a population about 3 times that of Australia. Look at our standard of living, our climate, and our economy and I know which country would rank higher on the list of "best countries in the world to live in".

I have seen so many incidents in Australia involving drunken Brits over the years it has made me wonder "Why do they spend so much money to travel to the other side of the world to get drunk and arrested". I am well aware that Aussies do it too, but there are <deleted> in every country.

As far as Aussie bashers go you are a rank amateur, get to the back of the queue !

Regarding the poor guy who was shot - I wish him a speedy recovery.

I was not there but I can understand how something like this could happen. Alcohol brings out the worst in us.

If I was in a bar in Thailand and a brawl started between strangers, the first thing I would do is "CHECK BIN", and the second thing I would do is get the heck out of there in case the lead started flying.

[mrdome]

Golden rule in Thailand: Best to stay out of it.

[nosatisfaction]

I don't see the reasoning behind blaming this on Thai culture as this type of thing happens all the time in America (please no excess American bashing). Even in Hawaii which must be one of the safest places in the country if not the world where I spent much of my life, shootings, stabbings and beatings happen all too frequently when some have had too much to drink. Not only participants get hurt but bystanders and those who try to step in to help. Humans are a violent bunch.

don't forget we are the superior race of animals,

[Equalizer]

The facts are these countries who do not have financial interior funding and legislation for compensating people for crimes committed against them within their own country by their own citizens, poor services, poor infrastructure, should be named and shamed. By advertising tourism and encouraging visitors, the country is responsible for these people they have won over in a very competitive market. The country of origin should also have legislation preventing any type of package holidays because these receiving countries have not got a rating that is a worldwide standard. These standards should include, medical assistance, repatriation and compensation that is a recognized settlement throughout the industry. Until the governmental sections of the tourism industry worldwide get together and insure these people within these countries. The incentive will never be there. As for people traveling alone the receiving country should be obliged to offer full comprehensive insurance at the point of entry. A country should insists its guests buy insurance if they do not have it already.

[Colabamumbai]

it proves one thing .... anyone with or without mental disorder can carry a gun in Thailand ......I would be curious to know how many unofficially own guns are around ...... even one of my staff once shows me his gun ....

As reported lately in the news. More guns in Thailand than any of its neighbouring countries and the highest number of deaths due to guns/gunshots in Southeast Asia. Is it any wonder?

[Maggusoil]

The facts are these countries who do not have financial interior funding and legislation for compensating people for crimes committed against them within their own country by their own citizens, poor services, poor infrastructure, should be named and shamed. By advertising tourism and encouraging visitors, the country is responsible for these people they have won over in a very competitive market. The country of origin should also have legislation preventing any type of package holidays because these receiving countries have not got a rating that is a worldwide standard. These standards should include, medical assistance, repatriation and compensation that is a recognized settlement throughout the industry. Until the governmental sections of the tourism industry worldwide get together and insure these people within these countries. The incentive will never be there. As for people traveling alone the receiving country should be obliged to offer full comprehensive insurance at the point of entry. A country should insists its guests buy insurance if they do not have it already.

When I was a lad we traveled and traveled to far flung, wild untamed places, without travel insurance, without assurance, re-assurance, repatriation, regulation, BECAUSE, the places we went to were edgy, unnerving, exciting, interesting and different. It would test our metal. There maybe no way out.

Try riding a motorbike across Afghanistan on your own. That was good.

There are plenty of travel destinations which have all the stuff you get back home.

For all those who like an edge, get out there before the world is safe enough for people like this to leave their front door, because when it is every one will be everywhere and it will all be the same.

We will all disappear into a sea of sameness. Eventually we won't even know who we are. We will be so safe and conjoined with the rest of humanity all doing the same things in perfect security and perfect bliss.

Coddled up with all our same securities taken care of by humungous socialistic bureaucracies.

Ungh.

Yikes. I'm out of here.

[rbrooks]

Can we list this under Yinlucks "Thainess Promotion?"

You beat me to it. I think this is just another example. Where is the real Thainess that she was promoting?

[ginjag]

Breaking up a pub fight does not constitute being a good samaratin.

I totally agree with this. It's not a good deed to interfere in such a way in Thailand.

Seems to me that anyone standing outside the pub was going to get shot. The gunman couldn't have been too drunk if he recognised the guy who broke up the fight, drove past and zapped him.

Once you have rented or bought your home--NEVER go out or you could be asking for trouble. if you drive you have to be responsible for ANY mishap, Pay up if you get stopped by the bib, and arrive home before dark with your shopping (booze) and drink indoors. If your wealthy your hotel should keep you from harms way.

We all can get alarmed about these incidents but keeping one to oneself, choose where you drink carefully, local bars SHOULD be o.k. BUT ????

Very rare do I go out to local bars, I enjoy a nip at home with my feet up, and watch a film on T.V.-------safety in numbers is another good rule when out.

If things like this happen and are a little ugly-TIME TO LEAVE.

[sunshine51]

The facts are these countries who do not have financial interior funding and legislation for compensating people for crimes committed against them within their own country by their own citizens, poor services, poor infrastructure, should be named and shamed. By advertising tourism and encouraging visitors, the country is responsible for these people they have won over in a very competitive market. The country of origin should also have legislation preventing any type of package holidays because these receiving countries have not got a rating that is a worldwide standard. These standards should include, medical assistance, repatriation and compensation that is a recognized settlement throughout the industry. Until the governmental sections of the tourism industry worldwide get together and insure these people within these countries. The incentive will never be there. As for people traveling alone the receiving country should be obliged to offer full comprehensive insurance at the point of entry. A country should insists its guests buy insurance if they do not have it already.

When I was a lad we traveled and traveled to far flung, wild untamed places, without travel insurance, without assurance, re-assurance, repatriation, regulation, BECAUSE, the places we went to were edgy, unnerving, exciting, interesting and different. It would test our metal. There maybe no way out.

Try riding a motorbike across Afghanistan on your own. That was good.

There are plenty of travel destinations which have all the stuff you get back home.

For all those who like an edge, get out there before the world is safe enough for people like this to leave their front door, because when it is every one will be everywhere and it will all be the same.

We will all disappear into a sea of sameness. Eventually we won't even know who we are. We will be so safe and conjoined with the rest of humanity all doing the same things in perfect security and perfect bliss.

Coddled up with all our same securities taken care of by humungous socialistic bureaucracies.

Ungh.

Yikes. I'm out of here.

Maggusoil...

I always wanted to "do" Afghanistan way back when it was a "cool" place to visit. However I got to see

Southeast Asia instead back in those days...carried a weapon instead of a camera. I didn't get the

chance to travel across Afghanistan until late 2001 when I carried a TV camera and some Sat-Com

gear instead of a weapon(sic). I've made 43 trips there since that first time...some short, some long.

Every time I'm there I have the following tune playing in my head....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRdmDQVGCmo

And yes I agree with you...gettin hard to find adventure these days.

Mind you...the fellow in this thread thought he was helping out...sadly it didn't turn out that way.