Pheu Thai Warns Of Legal Action Over Anti-Yingluck Remarks

[worgeordie]

This is all a bit one sided,we cannot criticize,make any remarks about Politicians,or spread rumors,true or not, .

but they can lie ,cheat, and rob the country blind without out fear of any action been taken against them,

double standards defiantly in play here.

regards Worgeordie

[Moruya]

The PTP scum don't seem to understand that Yingluck isn't royalty and can be criticized, especially since she's a bimbo who doesn't do anything except Skype with her brother. It sickens me to think eventually, the Shinawatra lackeys are going to clamp down on all free speech. TV posters beware. We're next.

 

But But Tarit said she is head of State?

Indeed. He should be arrested for spreading lies about Yingluck

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[Pimay1]

The PTP scum don't seem to understand that Yingluck isn't royalty and can be criticized, especially since she's a bimbo who doesn't do anything except Skype with her brother. It sickens me to think eventually, the Shinawatra lackeys are going to clamp down on all free speech. TV posters beware. We're next.

But But Tarit said she is head of State?

Indeed. He should be arrested for spreading lies about Yingluck

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Absolutely. This is very damaging to Tailand and could give the wrong impression to other countries of the world.

Edited August 18, 2013 by Pimay1

[LuckyLew]

If she was any good at her job I am sure people would praise her ...

unfortunately .....

Truth hurt I guess and as per norm in Thailand ... sue

[Scott]

An off-topic post about other posters has been deleted as well as a reply. Please stay on the topic of the thread.

[nicknostitz]

Trying to give some context here...

On the different protest stages, both of the Democrat Party and at the permanent stage at Lumpini Park, "freedom of speech" has been performed to the extend that Yingluck has been repeatedly called names (in Thai) such as "whore" (in the worst Thai expression) and "Pu (her nickname) with the rotten ... [inject a rather bad slang word for female genitalia]", and similar such niceties.

While the government is in some cases over-reacting, and the cyber police is indeed quite way out of bounds with their demands, it should be understood that the opposition is at times as well way beyond what freedom of expression generally permits.

[GentlemanJim]

I hope someone can forward the article to Tony Bliar so he can make sure that what he inevitably says about Democracy and freedom of speech is accurate, i would hate him to lose his speakers fee, though i guess he may just be looking for a new place for free luxury holidays since Mubarak left his circle of old friends.

[jaidam]

Trying to give some context here...

On the different protest stages, both of the Democrat Party and at the permanent stage at Lumpini Park, "freedom of speech" has been performed to the extend that Yingluck has been repeatedly called names (in Thai) such as "whore" (in the worst Thai expression) and "Pu (her nickname) with the rotten ... [inject a rather bad slang word for female genitalia]", and similar such niceties.

While the government is in some cases over-reacting, and the cyber police is indeed quite way out of bounds with their demands, it should be understood that the opposition is at times as well way beyond what freedom of expression generally permits.

But...but....but... the democrats.....

Lord give me strength to point out the startlingly obvious one more time. The democrat party is not engaged in a hugely expensive war on all levels to thrust one of its party, or should that read family? members into a "head of state" position for eternity. They do not pursue an expensive cult of personality for their leader. They do not have forum members that love them. Nobody is upset when the democrats past bad deeds are aired on the forum, nobody gives a toss. It isn't a valid excuse for the current regimes failings so please stop doing so.

You are excusing the suppresion of free speech because what is being said doesn't suit your political bias. Sad to hear in light of apparent journalistic claims.

[nicknostitz]

But...but....but... the democrats.....

Lord give me strength to point out the startlingly obvious one more time. The democrat party is not engaged in a hugely expensive war on all levels to thrust one of its party, or should that read family? members into a "head of state" position for eternity. They do not pursue an expensive cult of personality for their leader. They do not have forum members that love them. Nobody is upset when the democrats past bad deeds are aired on the forum, nobody gives a toss. It isn't a valid excuse for the current regimes failings so please stop doing so.

You are excusing the suppresion of free speech because what is being said doesn't suit your political bias. Sad to hear in light of apparent journalistic claims.

Maybe you should start reading my posts before coming up with the same lame blather about me being biased.

Insults such as i have listed here have nothing to do with political convictions but are about manners. I am sorry, but i cannot find anything remotely connected to political criticism when someone is called a "whore" and having rotten female genitalia. Maybe you find that this is legit political criticism, but i sure don't.

The same way i find the insults on opposition stages i have listed here disgraceful, i find insults on Red stages regarding Gen. Prem's alleged sexual preference quite revolting. I also found it quite out of order when last year Jeng Dokchik on a Red Shirt stage publicized phone numbers of constitution court judges and their families.

Anyhow, the only bias which i can detect is that some here [you] are completely ignoring the failings of the side you seem to support. Or do you find such insults acceptable part of the political discourse?

[culicine]

The fact that people ARE critisising the government is a a nice move forward....the public are speaking out and have had enough....but sadly PT are trying to gag the public, the same as when Thai teachers will accept no criticism from students about their lessons. It's good to see Thais not taking as much BS as they used to a couple of decades ago....and that silly computer crimes act. Surely this is an abuse of the intended purpose of the act? The internet is an uncontrollable monster....and I'm glad about that!

[bigdod]

I dont think I'm as politically knowledgeable as many of my fellow posters appear to be...but I kinda get the impression that this kind of political statement is far less likely to do anything positive for Thailands image than any amount of name calling, which after all, is pretty much nothing more than childish rhetoric which would most likely be ignored by most grown ups...?

[nicknostitz]

The fact that people ARE critisising the government is a a nice move forward....the public are speaking out and have had enough....but sadly PT are trying to gag the public, the same as when Thai teachers will accept no criticism from students about their lessons. It's good to see Thais not taking as much BS as they used to a couple of decades ago....and that silly computer crimes act. Surely this is an abuse of the intended purpose of the act? The internet is an uncontrollable monster....and I'm glad about that!

The original purpose of the cyber act, introduced by the coup government in 2007, was to stifle criticism against the government voiced by opponents of the coup, who, ironically, are now the elected government again. It has been prolifically used by the Democrat Party government against critics, such during the Chiranuch Premchaiporn case - in which the director of the news portal Prachatai was accused of violations against the lese majeste laws and against the cyber crime act as well.

The ones we have to thank for the cyber crime act are the military, and many people who now support the opposition groups, both on stages, and in the background.

Edited August 18, 2013 by nicknostitz

[nicknostitz]

I dont think I'm as politically knowledgeable as many of my fellow posters appear to be...but I kinda get the impression that this kind of political statement is far less likely to do anything positive for Thailands image than any amount of name calling, which after all, is pretty much nothing more than childish rhetoric which would most likely be ignored by most grown ups...?

Yes, indeed, the over reaction of the government is not exactly doing anything positive.

But again, there are reasons for the government's quite obvious paranoia. One is that in 2006 the military coup was preceded by quite similar concerted attempts of protesters, and so-called independent institutions. Only difference now is that the military then supported the anti-government protesters (which it does not now, so far), and that the same protest groups then had up to 80 000 protesters on the streets, while now they can barely muster 3000 at most (so far).

Other than the insults, there are is more worrying rhetoric on the stages, such as constant accusations of disloyalty, which touches in a Thai context the culturally most sensitive issue.

It would be very helpful if the local media would translate some of the speeches on the different stages, and not just present cleaned up versions, if at all. Even the fact that since June 2012 the Democrat Party has held 62 of their Blue Sky stages has almost completely bypassed the English language media. And of course - none of the speeches on the stages were translated or summarized.

[Mampara]

It's getting worse each day with these types of anti-democracy rantings from PTP. i'm starting to miss Chalerms weekly press conferences.

Yes, it's getting worse but not only in this country. It's happening in western countries as well.

I don't understand why some brainless Bimbo always likes to compare Thailand with the west. This is Thailand with its own ethics and culture, not some country in the west

[otherstuff1957]

Trying to give some context here...

On the different protest stages, both of the Democrat Party and at the permanent stage at Lumpini Park, "freedom of speech" has been performed to the extend that Yingluck has been repeatedly called names (in Thai) such as "whore" (in the worst Thai expression) and "Pu (her nickname) with the rotten ... [inject a rather bad slang word for female genitalia]", and similar such niceties.

While the government is in some cases over-reacting, and the cyber police is indeed quite way out of bounds with their demands, it should be understood that the opposition is at times as well way beyond what freedom of expression generally permits.

However, this particular attempt at censorship seems to be aimed at criticism of her perceived inaction regarding Thais in Egypt. This criticism, however undeserved, does not seem to be on par with the egregious slander that you quoted above. Either PT have become much more sensitive in the past few months, or this simply reflects their new policy.

Edited August 18, 2013 by otherstuff1957

[gerry1011]

Does tha mean calling her a brainless bimbo, that is controlled by her brother could land us in trouble?

I think that criticism is no problem. But insult may be more sensitive. Exaggerated and unfounded insults can sometimes be difficult to accept by the person you direct the insult at...

It's a bit like if someone referred to you as a low life, old and fat, stinking, uneducated farang, whose empty life is dictated by the price of the cheapest beer, a miserable pension, and the 40 years younger bar girl who is sucking... his nearly empty wallet.

I wonder if the person saying something like that about you would end up in trouble or not...

Best is to criticize without exaggeration and insults I guess

[nicknostitz]

However, this particular attempt at censorship seems to be aimed at criticism of her perceived inaction regarding Thais in Egypt. This criticism, however undeserved, does not seem to be on par with the egregious slander that you quoted above. Either PT have become much more sensitive in the past few months, or this simply reflects their new policy.

I believe that they became sensitive to the point of being almost paranoid.

Almost - because it should be quite obvious that there are concerted attempts to overthrow the government by any means, so far not (yet) successful, the government's fears are not completely unreasonable. It's not that we haven't seen such in the past years, such as in 2006 and in 2008...

[MikeOboe57]

The fact that people ARE critisising the government is a a nice move forward....the public are speaking out and have had enough....but sadly PT are trying to gag the public, the same as when Thai teachers will accept no criticism from students about their lessons. It's good to see Thais not taking as much BS as they used to a couple of decades ago....and that silly computer crimes act. Surely this is an abuse of the intended purpose of the act? The internet is an uncontrollable monster....and I'm glad about that!

The original purpose of the cyber act, introduced by the coup government in 2007, was to stifle criticism against the government voiced by opponents of the coup, who, ironically, are now the elected government again. It has been prolifically used by the Democrat Party government against critics, such during the Chiranuch Premchaiporn case - in which the director of the news portal Prachatai was accused of violations against the lese majeste laws and against the cyber crime act as well.

The ones we have to thanks for the cyber crime act are the military, and many people who now support the opposition groups, both on stages, and in the background.

Well, dear Nick, we are missing the point again.

To make it simple: If the current German Government imprisoned people for listening to BBC Radio because of a law dating back to the 3rd Reich that made listening to "Feindsender" (enemy radio stations) a punishable offense, you certainly would not defend this action by claiming that they did not pass this law, but a preceding government. You would - at least I hope - rightfully question why this Government was still applying that law.

PTP and the Red Leaders have been trumpeting around for months after the last election that they want to do away with the "leftovers of the coup", they wanted to rewrite the whole constitution and "reconcile" the various factions of the Thai people. All that remained of these high-flying dreams is an amnesty law for their sponsor and his high-ranking followers.

The sad fact is that the Yingluck Government has recognized the usefulness of this and other laws for their own purposes and will use them to the fullest extent. Sorry - no chance to claim the moral high ground there. If the Redshirts wake up one day and start to turn against this Government, they will find out that the same laws that the "ammart have installed to keep themselves up and them down", will now be used against them by their beloved PTP. They will truly be in for a nasty surprise then.

[ChrisY1]

This from a person out of gaol on Thb 2 million bail !!

Just another crook of the PT mob!

[nicknostitz]

Well, dear Nick, we are missing the point again.

To make it simple: If the current German Government imprisoned people for listening to BBC Radio because of a law dating back to the 3rd Reich that made listening to "Feindsender" (enemy radio stations) a punishable offense, you certainly would not defend this action by claiming that they did not pass this law, but a preceding government. You would - at least I hope - rightfully question why this Government was still applying that law.

PTP and the Red Leaders have been trumpeting around for months after the last election that they want to do away with the "leftovers of the coup", they wanted to rewrite the whole constitution and "reconcile" the various factions of the Thai people. All that remained of these high-flying dreams is an amnesty law for their sponsor and his high-ranking followers.

The sad fact is that the Yingluck Government has recognized the usefulness of this and other laws for their own purposes and will use them to the fullest extent. Sorry - no chance to claim the moral high ground there. If the Redshirts wake up one day and start to turn against this Government, they will find out that the same laws that the "ammart have installed to keep themselves up and them down", will now be used against them by their beloved PTP. They will truly be in for a nasty surprise then.

Well, my dear Mike, it's not the case of me missing the point, but of you having difficulties to read. In my first post in this threat i have written:

"and the cyber police is indeed quite way out of bounds with their demands"

That means quite clearly that i do not agree with the cyber act as it is, and/or the use of it - by whomever.

You analogy about Germany also lacks logic. While with the loss of WW2 the "law" (if you can call it so) of Nazi Germany has been replaced with a democratic constitution and a completely different set of organic laws, any attempt to change the 2007 constitution by this government has been hindered by the opposition (both parliamentary and on the street) by any means available.

You may be quite right that the cyber act may be useful for this government as well, but the origin of it is clearly the coup. However, again for you to read - i do not agree with it, also not when police under this government uses this law. So far though, police threatened the use of this law against critics (which i do find very uncomfortable), but hasn't actually used it yet (as far as i know), while under the Democrat Party government this law was used regularly against opponents.

[GentlemanJim]

Trying to give some context here...

On the different protest stages, both of the Democrat Party and at the permanent stage at Lumpini Park, "freedom of speech" has been performed to the extend that Yingluck has been repeatedly called names (in Thai) such as "whore" (in the worst Thai expression) and "Pu (her nickname) with the rotten ... [inject a rather bad slang word for female genitalia]", and similar such niceties.

While the government is in some cases over-reacting, and the cyber police is indeed quite way out of bounds with their demands, it should be understood that the opposition is at times as well way beyond what freedom of expression generally permits.

Well I would rather hear opposition groups calling the PM a whore than calling for the murder of soldiers, the burning down of Bangkok and taking the donation of blood from children to throw over the PM's house. Despite everything you say and claim Nick, one thing is absolutely crystal clear, you can't hide your colour.

[mca]

It's a bit like if someone referred to you as a low life, old and fat, stinking, uneducated farang, whose empty life is dictated by the price of the cheapest beer, a miserable pension, and the 40 years younger bar girl who is sucking... his nearly empty wallet.

Shit mate have you been following me?

[rametindallas]

"This government fully supports all freedom of speech and we will imprison anyone who says differently"

Seriously, though, can you imagine the spokesman for the Democratic Party in the US publicly threatening people who disparage President Obama? He has no idea how puerile this makes he and his party look. Half the population of Thailand doesn't like Ms. Yingluck's government and a certain percentage will complain on social networks so Mr. Prompong is talking about legal action against millions of Thai citizens. This may take a while.

[petedk]

The PTP scum don't seem to understand that Yingluck isn't royalty and can be criticized, especially since she's a bimbo who doesn't do anything except Skype with her brother. It sickens me to think eventually, the Shinawatra lackeys are going to clamp down on all free speech. TV posters beware. We're next.

Funny you should mention that.

I read the Bangkok Post this morning about the attach on the home of the editor of the Post Today (I think that's what it is called) and I started to think about Thai Visa.

How long before it is closed?

It seems this government really can't take the slightest criticism. In a true democracy any government would be heavily criticised by some people no matter how popular it is. That is true freedom of speech.

[gl555]

PTP free speech is about allowing their lackeys and uneducated supporters to praise them, allowing the same people to criticize and threaten their rivals and suing/arresting others who dare insult or speak ill of them. Closing down Thai Visa is one thing but knowing these vindictive little shits, they may start tracking IPs and going after people who are criticizing them within Thailand.

The PTP scum don't seem to understand that Yingluck isn't royalty and can be criticized, especially since she's a bimbo who doesn't do anything except Skype with her brother. It sickens me to think eventually, the Shinawatra lackeys are going to clamp down on all free speech. TV posters beware. We're next.

Funny you should mention that.

I read the Bangkok Post this morning about the attach on the home of the editor of the Post Today (I think that's what it is called) and I started to think about Thai Visa.

How long before it is closed?

It seems this government really can't take the slightest criticism. In a true democracy any government would be heavily criticised by some people no matter how popular it is. That is true freedom of speech.

[Thai at Heart]

The fact that people ARE critisising the government is a a nice move forward....the public are speaking out and have had enough....but sadly PT are trying to gag the public, the same as when Thai teachers will accept no criticism from students about their lessons. It's good to see Thais not taking as much BS as they used to a couple of decades ago....and that silly computer crimes act. Surely this is an abuse of the intended purpose of the act? The internet is an uncontrollable monster....and I'm glad about that!

The original purpose of the cyber act, introduced by the coup government in 2007, was to stifle criticism against the government voiced by opponents of the coup, who, ironically, are now the elected government again. It has been prolifically used by the Democrat Party government against critics, such during the Chiranuch Premchaiporn case - in which the director of the news portal Prachatai was accused of violations against the lese majeste laws and against the cyber crime act as well.

The ones we have to thank for the cyber crime act are the military, and many people who now support the opposition groups, both on stages, and in the background.

And plenty of people said then that it was a bad step for freedom of speech and would have consequences in the future.

[gerry1011]

It's a bit like if someone referred to you as a low life, old and fat, stinking, uneducated farang, whose empty life is dictated by the price of the cheapest beer, a miserable pension, and the 40 years younger bar girl who is sucking... his nearly empty wallet.

Shit mate have you been following me?

Euh... no.

It was just an example.

I never thought any Thaivisa poster could be THAT bad

Sent from my iPhone...

[FarangTalk]

The quote by Voltaire in my avatar is appropriate, "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.

The truth is a commodity rarely seen in Thailand, where telling the truth about certain people can land you in court, prison, or an early grave.

[GentlemanJim]

The quote by Voltaire in my avatar is appropriate, "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.

The truth is a commodity rarely seen in Thailand, where telling the truth about certain people can land you in court, prison, or an early grave.

Wow! I am unsure we agree much of the time FarangTalk, but you are bang on the money with this post

[MikeOboe57]

Well, dear Nick, we are missing the point again.

To make it simple: If the current German Government imprisoned people for listening to BBC Radio because of a law dating back to the 3rd Reich that made listening to "Feindsender" (enemy radio stations) a punishable offense, you certainly would not defend this action by claiming that they did not pass this law, but a preceding government. You would - at least I hope - rightfully question why this Government was still applying that law.

PTP and the Red Leaders have been trumpeting around for months after the last election that they want to do away with the "leftovers of the coup", they wanted to rewrite the whole constitution and "reconcile" the various factions of the Thai people. All that remained of these high-flying dreams is an amnesty law for their sponsor and his high-ranking followers.

The sad fact is that the Yingluck Government has recognized the usefulness of this and other laws for their own purposes and will use them to the fullest extent. Sorry - no chance to claim the moral high ground there. If the Redshirts wake up one day and start to turn against this Government, they will find out that the same laws that the "ammart have installed to keep themselves up and them down", will now be used against them by their beloved PTP. They will truly be in for a nasty surprise then.

Well, my dear Mike, it's not the case of me missing the point, but of you having difficulties to read. In my first post in this threat i have written:

"and the cyber police is indeed quite way out of bounds with their demands"

That means quite clearly that i do not agree with the cyber act as it is, and/or the use of it - by whomever.

You analogy about Germany also lacks logic. While with the loss of WW2 the "law" (if you can call it so) of Nazi Germany has been replaced with a democratic constitution and a completely different set of organic laws, any attempt to change the 2007 constitution by this government has been hindered by the opposition (both parliamentary and on the street) by any means available.

You may be quite right that the cyber act may be useful for this government as well, but the origin of it is clearly the coup. However, again for you to read - i do not agree with it, also not when police under this government uses this law. So far though, police threatened the use of this law against critics (which i do find very uncomfortable), but hasn't actually used it yet (as far as i know), while under the Democrat Party government this law was used regularly against opponents.

A rather cheap escape route you are taking here (btw Germany "grandfathered" a lot of pre-war laws, just check it out.) by hiding behind a negligeable legal technicality (that's why it is called an Analogy).

The current Government's threats to choke off the freedom of the press and the freedom of expression are extremely worrying (politely put) and not just "way out of bounds".

You attempt to minimize these blatant attacks on basic human rights (which you find "very uncomfortable" - shoes and chairs can be "very uncomfortable" - this is a different category) by claiming they so far haven't "actually [been] used". What are you going to do when they start to "use" them?

Will you find one more excuse?

Will you speak out or hope that your curriculum vitae and red shirt friends will protect you from being accosted?