im blacklisted in thailand and need help

[Pattaya2000]

There are two airports in Bangkok and travel would require entry into Thailand unless flights were both at same location.

yes most are aware of this thanks

[phuketrichard]

neither of these stories are relevant to someone applying for a name change, acquiring a new passport an returning somewhere.or someone that has been blacklisted

[NeverSure]

You mentioned taking your car to Cambo? The import duties and hassles there are as bad as Thailand. Check into in it, perhaps on a Cambo forum and I think you'll find it isn't worth it.

[harrry]

My guess from the information given that he is not blacklisted (but maybe he should be)

When a person is rejected entry to any contry (including neighbouring ones) hte person is immediately transfered to Bangkok and must return to his own country. He is not balacklisted but may return.

Australia allows entry without a visa to New Zealanders without criminal convictions etc but require a visa if he has. They have access to this data.

I think if while trying to enter australia and you were refused entry they would have let you go to New Zealand but you thought you would return to Bangkok which would have been their first offer as you came from there.

Anything you do now can make things worse but I think it is quite possible you are not in fact blacklisted here.

[Pattaya2000]

My guess from the information given that he is not blacklisted (but maybe he should be)

When a person is rejected entry to any contry (including neighbouring ones) hte person is immediately transfered to Bangkok and must return to his own country. He is not balacklisted but may return.

Australia allows entry without a visa to New Zealanders without criminal convictions etc but require a visa if he has. They have access to this data.

I think if while trying to enter australia and you were refused entry they would have let you go to New Zealand but you thought you would return to Bangkok which would have been their first offer as you came from there.

Anything you do now can make things worse but I think it is quite possible you are not in fact blacklisted here.

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i had no choice in the matter and had to return to BKK

i detained in Australia, Singapore and BKK and on returning to NZ had my passport handed back to be while exiting plane to transit in Singapore

I now have a work visa to work in AUS as the job that im currently working requires me to work there for 6 weeks of the year

and yes i am on the blacklist

[Pattaya2000]

You mentioned taking your car to Cambo? The import duties and hassles there are as bad as Thailand. Check into in it, perhaps on a Cambo forum and I think you'll find it isn't worth it.

I have heard that it is very easy to bring a car over the boarder but maybe this is just for a holiday, not sure

any one tried this..?

[jrtmedic]

This is the second time this issue has been raised by the OP

This topic was exhausted in a previous thread which is now closed ( see http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/661677-iv-been-blacklisted-and-need-help/ )

[Pattaya2000]

This is the second time this issue has been raised by the OP

This topic was exhausted in a previous thread which is now closed ( see http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/661677-iv-been-blacklisted-and-need-help/ )

Um this thread was asking about transiting in bkk and singapore, not about blacklist removal

[Pattaya2000]

Wow...!!!

im an advanced member allredy lol

I know everything now so should be right now

[Mario2008]

1 flame removed.

[simple1]

if u really want to, go to court, change ur name and get a new passport,

Relaitvely easy for Americans and Candians not sure about Austrilans,

know many friends that have done that

I hear that you cannot do this anymore with new e-passports

and dont think it is worth the risk

Correct. In some countries name changes are electronic tracked for passports e.g. UK has an application called iCase. Case notes / iCase notes are made on the records of the previous passport and the current issue to record the link between the names. This is tracked at border control. Other countries have also implemented the technology to track name changes in passports for border control as well as facial recognition. Facial recognition is already implemented by Thai immigration.

For NZ nationals it is easy to legally change your name.

http://www.passports.govt.nz/Name-changes---by-deed-poll-or-statutory-declaration

[lemoncake]

OP, Get your GF to contact Magna Carter lawyers in Pattaya(well connected firm) http://www.magnacarta.co.th/

Or can also call Khun Boy(also a lawyer, with good connections in immigration) 088183 5474

See how much they will charge to clear it.

I do not think your case would be too hard because you were not arrested in Thailand for anything and simply got blacklisted because of someone else(Oz)

GIve them a try and see what they can do for you

[phuketrichard]

You mentioned taking your car to Cambo? The import duties and hassles there are as bad as Thailand. Check into in it, perhaps on a Cambo forum and I think you'll find it isn't worth it.

Obvious you don't know what ur talking about. Check the Cambodian forum for my reports on taking cars into an out of Cambodia, Laos an Malaysia.

I have taken my car in and out of Cambodia about 8 times in the last 3 years ( last time last month) with one time having it in Cambodia for over 8 months. NO IMPORT FEES< no hassles BUT u need know which border to cross over at. :-)

There are no hassles taking any car in or out of Thailand and ever car or motorcycle can come in duty free for 30 days which can be extended.

[Pattaya2000]

You mentioned taking your car to Cambo? The import duties and hassles there are as bad as Thailand. Check into in it, perhaps on a Cambo forum and I think you'll find it isn't worth it.

Obvious you don't know what ur talking about. Check the Cambodian forum for my reports on taking cars into an out of Cambodia, Laos an Malaysia.

I have taken my car in and out of Cambodia about 8 times in the last 3 years ( last time last month) with one time having it in Cambodia for over 8 months. NO IMPORT FEES< no hassles BUT u need know which border to cross over at. :-)

There are no hassles taking any car in or out of Thailand and ever car or motorcycle can come in duty free for 30 days which can be extended.

Thanks Richard, very helpfull

I have heard this from a few other people about the ease of bringing their vehicle over to Cambodia

[jonnyscot]

Something worth checking out regarding getting the car across the border, if the car is in your name I'd find out a bit more about whether your girlfriend can take it across the border without problem or maybe requires additional documentation, if in the g/f's name already then no worries,,,,, I don't know much about it myself but just a thought

[phuketrichard]

yes it must be in the drivers name that is taking it out,

not sure about giving permission for someone else to take it out.

Note; as i said NOT all borders will allow a Thai car into Cambodia

[Pattaya2000]

yes it must be in the drivers name that is taking it out,

not sure about giving permission for someone else to take it out.

Note; as i said NOT all borders will allow a Thai car into Cambodia

yes luckily the car is in her name

so no worries there.

She cannot drive a car at all, however im sure there will be someone that will drive the car over a border for a small fee.

[Gone]

As per the OP, If you are just in transit in ANY country and not actually entering that country then you have no worries regarding you being blacklisted.

There is obviously good reason for you to be blacklisted from 2 different countries and to be honest I'm glad that they do this to people like you.

As far as having a "blacklist" removed here in Thailand it costs about ten million THB with Siam Legal Group. Why anyone would pay that much I have no idea however it is possible even if you are not in-country.

[sms747]

My suggestion is to apply for a non immigrant visa. It will cost you the fee for it. I am almost certain they will check the blacklist and if they issue it you may be ok. I know they checked a blacklist when I applied for an OA so I guess thye do for all.

Seems they do not check and give them to blacklisted people. This is what happened to Sandra Gregory in 2009. After serving time for drug smuggling she was blacklisted, but was issued a visa some years later. She seemed surprised when she was arrested and returned to the UK. If you are desperate to get into Thailand get on a cruise ship with a stop off for the day. No visa needed and no passport check. I know as friends stopped off like this, they do have to leave passport on the ship though.

[Pattaya2000]

My suggestion is to apply for a non immigrant visa. It will cost you the fee for it. I am almost certain they will check the blacklist and if they issue it you may be ok. I know they checked a blacklist when I applied for an OA so I guess thye do for all.

Seems they do not check and give them to blacklisted people. This is what happened to Sandra Gregory in 2009. After serving time for drug smuggling she was blacklisted, but was issued a visa some years later. She seemed surprised when she was arrested and returned to the UK. If you are desperate to get into Thailand get on a cruise ship with a stop off for the day. No visa needed and no passport check. I know as friends stopped off like this, they do have to leave passport on the ship though.

Geez wow...!!!

one half day in thailand...!

off to my trusted agent right now..!

[sms747]

My suggestion is to apply for a non immigrant visa. It will cost you the fee for it. I am almost certain they will check the blacklist and if they issue it you may be ok. I know they checked a blacklist when I applied for an OA so I guess thye do for all.

Seems they do not check and give them to blacklisted people. This is what happened to Sandra Gregory in 2009. After serving time for drug smuggling she was blacklisted, but was issued a visa some years later. She seemed surprised when she was arrested and returned to the UK. If you are desperate to get into Thailand get on a cruise ship with a stop off for the day. No visa needed and no passport check. I know as friends stopped off like this, they do have to leave passport on the ship though.

Geez wow...!!!

one half day in thailand...!

off to my trusted agent right now..!

If you had to get in for access to something it might be useful if that was your only option, changing name/passport does not work these days.

[Mario2008]

flame removed.

[simple1]

Glad u asked him and not me why i was/am blacklisted somewhere as i would have told you ( as i am sure he will )

its none of ur dam business

On another topic of the same name, that was closed by the mods, the OP stated he was sentenced to more than one year in jail in NZ for fraudently presenting documents for a mortgage, but only served around 4 months. He stated he was refused entry to Australia, I assume because he was sentenced to more than 12 months in prison and was assessed as a risk. Why Oz immigration were aware of the conviction, no idea. Bounced back to Thailand & I again assume that Thai immigration checked with Oz immigration on the reason for being denied entry and was subsequently black listed.

Following on from all this he has now been granted a six week stay in Australia for work purposes. After the six week period he would need to depart Australia or otherwise be treated an an illegal worker.

OP: Does the above capture the facts & are the stated assumptions correct?

EDIT: As posted by one of the mods in the closed topic; reasons for being black listed.

Section 12 : Aliens which fall into any of the following categories are excluded from entering into the Kingdom :

...

7. Having behaviour which would indicated possible danger to the public or likelihood of being a nuisance or constituting any violence to the peace or safety of the public or to the security of the public or to the security of the nation , or being under warrant of arrest by competent officials of foreign governments.

[Mario2008]

That would be section 12.6:

6. Having been imprisoned by the judgement of the Thai Court ; or by a lawful injunction ; or by

the judgement of the Court of foreign country , except when the penalty is foe petty offense or negligence

or is provided for as an exception in the Ministerial Regulations.

A conviction in any country is reason for denying someone entry, besides some petty offenses, etc.

[gerryBScot]

I don't know how a conviction for obtaining a pecuniary advantage by deception, ie false papers, makes the OP a danger to the public or the kingdom as set out in the above post. Sure he's a thief and a fraud but it doesn't follow the general public is at risk. Banks and financial institutions are at risk but they usually have rather sophisticated mechanisms in place to minimise that risk. I wonder how many folk who visit Thailand have similar form. Quite a few I suspect.

[gerryBScot]

That would be section 12.6:

6. Having been imprisoned by the judgement of the Thai Court ; or by a lawful injunction ; or by

the judgement of the Court of foreign country , except when the penalty is foe petty offense or negligence

or is provided for as an exception in the Ministerial Regulations.

A conviction in any country is reason for denying someone entry, besides some petty offenses, etc.

Thx Mario for clarifying that; the key word here is "imprisoned" which makes sense in terms of black listing someone and denying them entry.

[phuketrichard]

My suggestion is to apply for a non immigrant visa. It will cost you the fee for it. I am almost certain they will check the blacklist and if they issue it you may be ok. I know they checked a blacklist when I applied for an OA so I guess thye do for all.

Seems they do not check and give them to blacklisted people. This is what happened to Sandra Gregory in 2009. After serving time for drug smuggling she was blacklisted, but was issued a visa some years later. She seemed surprised when she was arrested and returned to the UK. If you are desperate to get into Thailand get on a cruise ship with a stop off for the day. No visa needed and no passport check. I know as friends stopped off like this, they do have to leave passport on the ship though.

Geez wow...!!!

one half day in thailand...!

off to my trusted agent right now..! alt=clap2.gif width=31 height=25>

If you had to get in for access to something it might be useful if that was your only option, changing name/passport does not work these days.

an how is it that u know this>

I personally know people that have been deported from Thailand, and are wanted in other countries and have changed their names, obtained new passports and are now back here.

There are other reasons that would cause someone to be blacklisted for entering certain countries OTHER than Criminal activity.

[OJAS]

I don't know how a conviction for obtaining a pecuniary advantage by deception, ie false papers, makes the OP a danger to the public or the kingdom as set out in the above post. Sure he's a thief and a fraud but it doesn't follow the general public is at risk. Banks and financial institutions are at risk but they usually have rather sophisticated mechanisms in place to minimise that risk. I wonder how many folk who visit Thailand have similar form. Quite a few I suspect.

Would question the sophistication of the anti-fraud measures banks and financial institutions have in place, based on my experiences of phantom debits from a couple of accounts here a few years back before I opened a third without an ATM card. Looks like quite a few of the locals who are bank employees may have similar form as well!

[Mario2008]

1 flame post and a reply to it removed.

[PoodMaiDai]

Get an attorney (may have to look around for the right one). It's expensive, but you can pay to be removed from the blacklist. I know this for a 100% fact.