Thailand's 2013 export growth: academic says 2%, minister says 4%

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Thailand’s 2013 export growth: academic says 2%, minister says 4%
By English News



BANGKOK, Oct 23 – A leading academic said that Thailand’s 2013 exports would grow only 2 per cent but the commerce minister insisted on a 4 per cent expansion.

Ath Pisalvanich, University of the Thai Chamber of Commerce (UTCC) International Trade Studies Centre director, said he did not believe the annual export growth would reach 4 per cent given an average expansion of only 1 per cent in the first eight months of the year.

Exports in the final quarter will improve, thanks to more purchase orders and a better economic situation in the US, but Thailand must be cautious on capital volatility which could have an impact on the currency exchange rate, he said.

Deputy Prime Minister/Commerce Minister Niwatthamrong Boonsongpaisarn stood firm that the country’s exports would increase by 4 per cent after positive economic signals from the US and the expanded exports of Thai products in Southeast Asian region in the last few years.

The Commerce Ministry has predicted an export growth at higher than 4 per cent next year in light of strengthened economies in the US, Europe and China.

A joint Thai public-private sector meeting, highlighted by the country’s significant export industrialists, is scheduled for November 4 to asses Thailand’s overall exports this year and next year. (MCOT online news)


-- TNA 2013-10-23

[ratcatcher]

BANGKOK, Oct 23 – A leading academic said that Thailand’s 2013 exports would grow only 2 per cent but the commerce minister insisted on a 4 per cent expansion.

But then, he would wouldn't he. I am surprised he didn't say 10%.

There's the real world figures and then the PTP figures.

[waza]

yer yer yer and tourist numbers are up 20%

[jonclark]

Ssshhh....remember it's okay to tell 'white lies'.... providing it doesn't hurt anyone; remember the ombudsman said so!

[bigbamboo]

Hmmm.....who is more likely to be right...... an academic or a politician?

I guess I'll have to go with the 2 per cent answer, unless I can phone a friend.

[Dr Robert]

I suppose it depends on what side of politics the so called academic supports...having a title in a place of learning is not a guarantee they will utter truth or lack bias. Grain of salt....

[coma]

Can I have my money on the academic ?

[jcb2001]

I'm sure Thailand would have had a banner export year if they didn't include the rice scheme.

[givenall]

Oh well this LOS and 4% sounds better and since when the truth was important here anyways

[LuckyLew]

Does not matter what the real % is

PTP will say what ever sounds good

[AleG]

Keep in mind PTP wonder boys were predicting an 11% increase of exports for this year. It fell juuuuuust a tad short.

[yooper2001]

Is this the same minister that is in charge of transportation? 29,000 death and still counting and #6 in the world and Thailand Government seems to be proud of this as they still do nothing to stop it.

[Thai at Heart]

Keep in mind PTP wonder boys were predicting an 11% increase of exports for this year. It fell juuuuuust a tad short.

They are going to hang onto that last 2%...

[Barney R]

Mmmm 1% for 8 months then 3 % for 4 months and relying on an upturn in America and China where the latest economic figures from both countries is not that robust . Must live in a different world like Alice in Wonderland .

[hansnl]

Hmmm.....who is more likely to be right...... an academic or a politician?

I guess I'll have to go with the 2 per cent answer, unless I can phone a friend.

The true (oops) figure will probably be around 1%, or lower.

[SICHONSTEVE]

Ssshhh....remember it's okay to tell 'white lies'.... providing it doesn't hurt anyone; remember the ombudsman said so!

This is why what the ombudsman did set such a stupid and dangerous precedent with his rediculous take on this!!!

You simply CANNOT knowingly tell out-and-out lies on government statistics if they are not what you want to see. It was not a white lie as he claimed either, it was a LIE. If it was any colour of lie it was a RED lie. He should have resigned immediately, in fact he shouldn't have been in the job as like most of these cabinet ministers (and the PM) they are not qualified for the job and don't know what they are doing (as so many of them openly admitted when appointed)!!

Their only remit was to 'get Thaksin home' - nothing else matters!!

[bangon04]

d**n Chinese calculators.... well at least the PTP voters cannot count anyway so the government can change the figures later. Ah the benefits of a Thai education.

[fab4]

Keep in mind PTP wonder boys were predicting an 11% increase of exports for this year. It fell juuuuuust a tad short.

Nice try at blame apportioning, but no cigar - it wasn't the "PTP wonder boys".

It was the NESDB, the National Economic and Social Development Board. The NESDB are a group of supposedly

"distinguished professionals" who "Provides recommendations and comments on national economic and social development to the Prime Minister and Cabinet"

[fab4]

Hmmm.....who is more likely to be right...... an academic or a politician?

I guess I'll have to go with the 2 per cent answer, unless I can phone a friend.

The true (oops) figure will probably be around 1%, or lower.

See my post #18. I wonder why people think that politicians are the experts on everything and ignore the fact that they are advised by supposed professionals in this kind of thing.

[robblok]

Hmmm.....who is more likely to be right...... an academic or a politician?

I guess I'll have to go with the 2 per cent answer, unless I can phone a friend.

The true (oops) figure will probably be around 1%, or lower.

See my post #18. I wonder why people think that politicians are the experts on everything and ignore the fact that they are advised by supposed professionals in this kind of thing.

You ignore the fact that the finance minister was caught in a lie and said it was ok to lie to inspire confidence. That is the reason why everyone doubts this governments figures. Not to mention how shady they act about the rice scam.

[Thait Spot]

I thought Kitkat said it would be 15%?

[Thaddeus]

Keep in mind PTP wonder boys were predicting an 11% increase of exports for this year. It fell juuuuuust a tad short.

Nice try at blame apportioning, but no cigar - it wasn't the "PTP wonder boys".

It was the NESDB, the National Economic and Social Development Board. The NESDB are a group of supposedly

"distinguished professionals" who "Provides recommendations and comments on national economic and social development to the Prime Minister and Cabinet"

Supposedly - Presumed to be true or real without conclusive evidence.

[bigbamboo]

Hmmm.....who is more likely to be right...... an academic or a politician?

I guess I'll have to go with the 2 per cent answer, unless I can phone a friend.

The true (oops) figure will probably be around 1%, or lower.

See my post #18. I wonder why people think that politicians are the experts on everything and ignore the fact that they are advised by supposed professionals in this kind of thing.

So if you're saying that just because someone is given the role of PM or DM it doesn't mean they know anything about the job but rely on others to tell them what to say and do then why not appoint someone who actually knows what they're doing in the first place?

[AleG]

Keep in mind PTP wonder boys were predicting an 11% increase of exports for this year. It fell juuuuuust a tad short.

Nice try at blame apportioning, but no cigar - it wasn't the "PTP wonder boys".

It was the NESDB, the National Economic and Social Development Board. The NESDB are a group of supposedly

"distinguished professionals" who "Provides recommendations and comments on national economic and social development to the Prime Minister and Cabinet"

By golly, you are right! It was the NESDB predicting 11%, the Commerce Ministry was predicting 9%. Is that more or less than 2%?

[SICHONSTEVE]

Hmmm.....who is more likely to be right...... an academic or a politician?

I guess I'll have to go with the 2 per cent answer, unless I can phone a friend.

The true (oops) figure will probably be around 1%, or lower.

See my post #18. I wonder why people think that politicians are the experts on everything and ignore the fact that they are advised by supposed professionals in this kind of thing.

So if you're saying that just because someone is given the role of PM or DM it doesn't mean they know anything about the job but rely on others to tell them what to say and do then why not appoint someone who actually knows what they're doing in the first place?

Only Thaksin can provide the answers to this as he is the one responsible for cocking up Thailand with his selfish reasons for doing just this. Don't you think that impositioning his younger sister in the hot seat with zero experience and telling her what ministers he wants is testimony to this. What's worse is that he told HIS cabinet ministers to forget about Thailand and the Thai people and get him back there ASAP by whatever means it takes.

[Loles]

Yes and this a very high different (science contra politic) I don't have to thinking which is the true.

[fab4]

Hmmm.....who is more likely to be right...... an academic or a politician?

I guess I'll have to go with the 2 per cent answer, unless I can phone a friend.

The true (oops) figure will probably be around 1%, or lower.

See my post #18. I wonder why people think that politicians are the experts on everything and ignore the fact that they are advised by supposed professionals in this kind of thing.

You ignore the fact that the finance minister was caught in a lie and said it was ok to lie to inspire confidence. That is the reason why everyone doubts this governments figures. Not to mention how shady they act about the rice scam.

Abhisit lied about his nationality, he lied about his army service, he lied about the army being armed with real ammunition in 2010, he lied about who shot at the the nurses in the first aid tent, he's lied about all number of things. Yet you accept this as perfectly OK even to the point of denying the facts - where is your reference point, or is it just

abhisit and the democrats good, PTP bad?

They both lie - they're politicians. In this case they are politicians being advised by supposed professionals. In my first reply I was countering a lie that the PTP had said that exports would go up 11%.

My second post still hasn't got through to you that those professionals made an erroneous statement and then you come back and say that I am ignoring the fact that the Finance Minister once lied to inspire confidence. Of course I ignore it, it's got nothing to do with the fact that if he didn't come up with the statement in the first place how could it be a reference point for whether he is more likely than his advisor to be correct?

Bearing in mind the advisors historic mistakes in forecasting, the balance swings the way of the Minister in being the one with a correct figure.

And <deleted> has the rice pledging scheme have to do with this, want to add in the burning of Central World, the Blue Diamond "Mystery" as evidence?

[khunken]

Abhisit lied about his nationality, he lied about his army service, he lied about the army being armed with real ammunition in 2010, he lied about who shot at the the nurses in the first aid tent, he's lied about all number of things. Yet you accept this as perfectly OK even to the point of denying the facts - where is your reference point, or is it just

abhisit and the democrats good, PTP bad?

They both lie - they're politicians. In this case they are politicians being advised by supposed professionals. In my first reply I was countering a lie that the PTP had said that exports would go up 11%.

My second post still hasn't got through to you that those professionals made an erroneous statement and then you come back and say that I am ignoring the fact that the Finance Minister once lied to inspire confidence. Of course I ignore it, it's got nothing to do with the fact that if he didn't come up with the statement in the first place how could it be a reference point for whether he is more likely than his advisor to be correct?

Bearing in mind the advisors historic mistakes in forecasting, the balance swings the way of the Minister in being the one with a correct figure.

And <deleted> has the rice pledging scheme have to do with this, want to add in the burning of Central World, the Blue Diamond "Mystery" as evidence?

The usual 'but Abhisit' off-topic bs is not an argument against or for the statements in the OP & your accusations have the same low standard of argument.

The commerce minister has absolutely no credibility with his lying and covering up the real rice subsidy figures. Ministers don't rely on official figures when they have to make utterances to counter someone else's figures. They - especially PTP - rely on bullshit.

I would put more credibility on Somchai the food vendor's version than the commerce minister.

[fab4]

Abhisit lied about his nationality, he lied about his army service, he lied about the army being armed with real ammunition in 2010, he lied about who shot at the the nurses in the first aid tent, he's lied about all number of things. Yet you accept this as perfectly OK even to the point of denying the facts - where is your reference point, or is it just

abhisit and the democrats good, PTP bad?

They both lie - they're politicians. In this case they are politicians being advised by supposed professionals. In my first reply I was countering a lie that the PTP had said that exports would go up 11%.

My second post still hasn't got through to you that those professionals made an erroneous statement and then you come back and say that I am ignoring the fact that the Finance Minister once lied to inspire confidence. Of course I ignore it, it's got nothing to do with the fact that if he didn't come up with the statement in the first place how could it be a reference point for whether he is more likely than his advisor to be correct?

Bearing in mind the advisors historic mistakes in forecasting, the balance swings the way of the Minister in being the one with a correct figure.

And <deleted> has the rice pledging scheme have to do with this, want to add in the burning of Central World, the Blue Diamond "Mystery" as evidence?

The usual 'but Abhisit' off-topic bs is not an argument against or for the statements in the OP & your accusations have the same low standard of argument.

The commerce minister has absolutely no credibility with his lying and covering up the real rice subsidy figures. Ministers don't rely on official figures when they have to make utterances to counter someone else's figures. They - especially PTP - rely on bullshit.

I would put more credibility on Somchai the food vendor's version than the commerce minister.

You prove my point. You regard my statements about Abhisits inability to tell the truth as off topic BS without seeing that it was a crucial point of the argument. Both are politicians . Both lie, well except in this case where you deny that Abhisit had lied about the examples I've given, against all the facts. No wonder you would put more credibility on Somchai the food vendor when you display such a poor ability to differentiate truth from lies.

[khunken]

Abhisit lied about his nationality, he lied about his army service, he lied about the army being armed with real ammunition in 2010, he lied about who shot at the the nurses in the first aid tent, he's lied about all number of things. Yet you accept this as perfectly OK even to the point of denying the facts - where is your reference point, or is it just

abhisit and the democrats good, PTP bad?

They both lie - they're politicians. In this case they are politicians being advised by supposed professionals. In my first reply I was countering a lie that the PTP had said that exports would go up 11%.

My second post still hasn't got through to you that those professionals made an erroneous statement and then you come back and say that I am ignoring the fact that the Finance Minister once lied to inspire confidence. Of course I ignore it, it's got nothing to do with the fact that if he didn't come up with the statement in the first place how could it be a reference point for whether he is more likely than his advisor to be correct?

Bearing in mind the advisors historic mistakes in forecasting, the balance swings the way of the Minister in being the one with a correct figure.

And <deleted> has the rice pledging scheme have to do with this, want to add in the burning of Central World, the Blue Diamond "Mystery" as evidence?

The usual 'but Abhisit' off-topic bs is not an argument against or for the statements in the OP & your accusations have the same low standard of argument.

The commerce minister has absolutely no credibility with his lying and covering up the real rice subsidy figures. Ministers don't rely on official figures when they have to make utterances to counter someone else's figures. They - especially PTP - rely on bullshit.

I would put more credibility on Somchai the food vendor's version than the commerce minister.

You prove my point. You regard my statements about Abhisits inability to tell the truth as off topic BS without seeing that it was a crucial point of the argument. Both are politicians . Both lie, well except in this case where you deny that Abhisit had lied about the examples I've given, against all the facts. No wonder you would put more credibility on Somchai the food vendor when you display such a poor ability to differentiate truth from lies.

The only point proven is that you have to introduce totally biased off-topic BS into an argument about export figures. What a pathetic argument to claim that because both are politicians that it is crucial to your argument. Well let's bring Obama or Bush or Blair or Lee Kwan Yu or Screaming Lord Sutch into it - they're all (or were) politicians.

I can easily differentiate between truth and lies and your post contained very little, if any, of the former. You have stated on another thread that you only post facts - you've given the lie to that here. Your 'facts' are nothing but red shirt propaganda and as a PTP/Red shirt supporter I would expect nothing more.

Now, have you anything sensible to offer on the topic?