Halion Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 The book is very well written and informative. I find it very interesting that the BIB and the Attorney Generals Office, have not done anything to arrest the persons which assaulted foreign diplomats at the meeting in Pattaya, and the two assignation attempts, of the PM. All of these actions were reported in the world press to included on CNN, BBC, Al Jazera and many other media. It is certainly not well written.Indeed the standard of English is slovenly, probably the result of sloppy translation of the original Thai version.It's informative only in the sense that it unwittingly exposes the weakness and moral bankruptcy of Abhisit's position.As Chris Baker pointed out in his review in the other paper a newcomer to the story would never know from this book that military casualties didn't reach double figures while redshirt deaths were over ten times that number.Dishonest crude propaganda. Why should military casualties be high ? The Red shirts started this aggressive protest and caused significant damage and interruption to the city commerce. They were given ample warning to disperse. My only comment was that the military should have taken the city back earlier. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcatcher Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 First,, WHO done the translating, THAN is it really the simple truth,DO NOT FORGET THE TRUTH IS NOT SIMPLE,,,IT HURTS MANY PEOPLE WHOM CAN'T TAKE THE TRUTH,,,,,,,stick this up his jumper ) Translation? Regardless of how you feel about all this, the guy was born in the UK and has a Masters from Oxford. Unlike many people, one thing he doesn't need is a translator. Do you really think he wrote the book? It was surely written by some ghostwriters. What doesn a master means from Oxford? Blair too was at Oxford. Mr Abhisit is quite capable of writing this book. You seem to have difficulty understanding the meaning of "master". Regarding Mr Abhisit's degree, he earned a Master's degree in Economics at St.Johns College, Oxford, Tony Blair's alma mater. Unfortunately Tony Blair is not as well educated as Mr Abhisit. The large majority of English PMs have either been to Oxford or Cambridge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuwadeeS Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 I met him, just befor he became PM. He is a good lair. A very good one. But I still can see in his eyes when he is lying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcatcher Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 I met him, just befor he became PM. He is a good lair. A very good one. But I still can see in his eyes when he is lying. "He is a good lair." To whom are you referring? B lair or the other one? All politicians lie, some just better than others. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winstonc Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 these reds on here are sooo touchy....oh and a very little minority..bet that hurts...and so few likes..and fewer friends no doubt,,except for there virtual ones on here...if they all meet up for a get together ,they could hire out an old bt telephone box...with room for another few...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SjaakNL2013 Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 It's something like 1 + 1 = 2 politicians + truth = lie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centrala Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 I met him, just befor he became PM. He is a good lair. A very good one. But I still can see in his eyes when he is lying. What did he lair to you about? The police could certainly use your supernatural abilities to detect deception merely by looking into someone's eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 The book is very well written and informative. I find it very interesting that the BIB and the Attorney Generals Office, have not done anything to arrest the persons which assaulted foreign diplomats at the meeting in Pattaya, and the two assignation attempts, of the PM. All of these actions were reported in the world press to included on CNN, BBC, Al Jazera and many other media. It is certainly not well written.Indeed the standard of English is slovenly, probably the result of sloppy translation of the original Thai version.It's informative only in the sense that it unwittingly exposes the weakness and moral bankruptcy of Abhisit's position.As Chris Baker pointed out in his review in the other paper a newcomer to the story would never know from this book that military casualties didn't reach double figures while redshirt deaths were over ten times that number.Dishonest crude propaganda. Why should military casualties be high ? The Red shirts started this aggressive protest and caused significant damage and interruption to the city commerce. They were given ample warning to disperse. My only comment was that the military should have taken the city back earlier. The big question is, why were there ANY military casualties? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicknostitz Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 (edited) The book is very well written and informative. I find it very interesting that the BIB and the Attorney Generals Office, have not done anything to arrest the persons which assaulted foreign diplomats at the meeting in Pattaya, and the two assignation attempts, of the PM. All of these actions were reported in the world press to included on CNN, BBC, Al Jazera and many other media. <<<<Off topic deflection comments removed>>>> As to Abhisit's book, i would also suggest to read Chris Baker's review, which should be easy to google. Edited October 24, 2013 by metisdead Comments intended to drive the topic off topic have been edited out of post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilDrSomkid Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 And Chris Baker, who I hold in high esteem, was not exactly favorable in his review. Scathing, more like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tingtongteesood Posted October 24, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2013 Whilst Abhisit does have some short comings, he is FAR preferable to the puppet and criminals running the country today. The Red Shirt rioters deserved everything that happened to them and far more, in most other countries, thousands of them would have died over 2 months of fighting, I am not saying what happened was good or acceptable, deaths are never 'acceptable' but they were treated with kid gloves for 6 weeks whilst the country lost billions of baht and all credibility due to their actions. They were offered what they asked and they turned it down and they were violent and aggressive. If you try to beat up soldiers and fire guns at them, expect them to shoot back ! Given the total bs that comes from the government of idiots and given that they are trying to whitewash their criminal leaders deeds, I applaud Abhisit for his efforts to prevent their misdeeds and telling the truth. You think Thaksin would still be here if the government was trying to brand him a murderer !? He is a convicted criminal who was tried justly and he ran away to hide like a 5 year old girl. The government is trying to falsely brand Abhisit as a murderer in efforts to bribe him into agreeing to let Thaksin off the hook in return for his being let off. At least Abhisit has the balls to stand his ground and fight this false accusation, unlike some people.... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimamey Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 The book is very well written and informative. I find it very interesting that the BIB and the Attorney Generals Office, have not done anything to arrest the persons which assaulted foreign diplomats at the meeting in Pattaya, and the two assignation attempts, of the PM. All of these actions were reported in the world press to included on CNN, BBC, Al Jazera and many other media. "and the two assignation attempts" assignation asɪgˈneɪʃ(ə)n/ noun noun: assignation; plural noun: assignations an appointment to meet someone in secret, typically one made by lovers. "his assignation with an older woman" Who were these older women Khun Abhisit was attempting to meet? Oh dear, oh dear. Another person who is showing off his skills in reproducing content from a dictionary. Probably his or her own language. Very good! Inform me, if you can, what other languages you are so fluent in, besides English? I may be wrong but I think PREM-R's reply was intended as humour which you may have missed. As he seems to be a Derby County supporter I would think he knows a lot about the English language but less about the Premiership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimamey Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 English book? Who cares, this is Thailand and Thai's normally don't read English book. I guess the book is more for those TV Democrat fanatics. Maybe the Thais read the original Thai language version. Just a thought. An English version means it's accessible to native English speakers and those who speak it as a second language. Thai is a very restrictive language in terms of the numbers you can reach with it whereas English is just the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbluck58 Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Says a great deal about the quality of an Eton education if he had to get someone to translate it for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini81 Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 I met him, just befor he became PM. He is a good lair. A very good one. But I still can see in his eyes when he is lying. So you can't pinpoint a single thing on him; not one case. Just a Yoda sense of knowing. Right. Haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Says a great deal about the quality of an Eton education if he had to get someone to translate it for him. I wonder if the English version matches exactly the Thai version. They could be completely different books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Says a great deal about the quality of an Eton education if he had to get someone to translate it for him. Maybe he had better things to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thait Spot Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 English book? Who cares, this is Thailand and Thai's normally don't read English book. I guess the book is more for those TV Democrat fanatics. alt=cheesy.gif> Thais don't care for misplaced apostrophes either........ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fab4 Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 The book is very well written and informative. I find it very interesting that the BIB and the Attorney Generals Office, have not done anything to arrest the persons which assaulted foreign diplomats at the meeting in Pattaya, and the two assignation attempts, of the PM. All of these actions were reported in the world press to included on CNN, BBC, Al Jazera and many other media. It is certainly not well written.Indeed the standard of English is slovenly, probably the result of sloppy translation of the original Thai version.It's informative only in the sense that it unwittingly exposes the weakness and moral bankruptcy of Abhisit's position.As Chris Baker pointed out in his review in the other paper a newcomer to the story would never know from this book that military casualties didn't reach double figures while redshirt deaths were over ten times that number.Dishonest crude propaganda. Why should military casualties be high ? The Red shirts started this aggressive protest and caused significant damage and interruption to the city commerce. They were given ample warning to disperse. My only comment was that the military should have taken the city back earlier. The big question is, why were there ANY military casualties? No, the big question is why were there so many unarmed civilian casualties, but it does expose your mindset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 No, the big question is why were there so many unarmed civilian casualties, but it does expose your mindset. There were many unarmed civilian casualties because the army were fighting against an armed militia. Why did the red shirts have an armed militia? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post waza Posted October 25, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2013 It is certainly not well written.Indeed the standard of English is slovenly, probably the result of sloppy translation of the original Thai version.It's informative only in the sense that it unwittingly exposes the weakness and moral bankruptcy of Abhisit's position.As Chris Baker pointed out in his review in the other paper a newcomer to the story would never know from this book that military casualties didn't reach double figures while redshirt deaths were over ten times that number.Dishonest crude propaganda. Why should military casualties be high ? The Red shirts started this aggressive protest and caused significant damage and interruption to the city commerce. They were given ample warning to disperse. My only comment was that the military should have taken the city back earlier. The big question is, why were there ANY military casualties? No, the big question is why were there so many unarmed civilian casualties, but it does expose your mindset. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini81 Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 No, the big question is why were there so many unarmed civilian casualties, but it does expose your mindset. There were many unarmed civilian casualties because the army were fighting against an armed militia. Why did the red shirts have an armed militia? No point in reasoning with guys who don't want to admit the well-documented media, pics, videos, evidence of the well armed rioters. Supporting them is like saying you like and support armed Al Queda mercenaries; who aren't so different: heavily armed and hired. Only they're generally trained and are brighter than red shirt thugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricBerg Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Maybe that title should be The Sample Truth-interesting that its been launched in English so fewer Thais can read it . No question it is throwing down the gauntlet to the current regime-provocative huh? It's the English translation of his Thai book, so all literate Thais can read it. Perhaps the missunderstood fugitive's sis can have it read to her? So she can take note of it too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricBerg Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 The book is very well written and informative. I find it very interesting that the BIB and the Attorney Generals Office, have not done anything to arrest the persons which assaulted foreign diplomats at the meeting in Pattaya, and the two assignation attempts, of the PM. All of these actions were reported in the world press to included on CNN, BBC, Al Jazera and many other media. It is certainly not well written.Indeed the standard of English is slovenly, probably the result of sloppy translation of the original Thai version.It's informative only in the sense that it unwittingly exposes the weakness and moral bankruptcy of Abhisit's position.As Chris Baker pointed out in his review in the other paper a newcomer to the story would never know from this book that military casualties didn't reach double figures while redshirt deaths were over ten times that number.Dishonest crude propaganda. That is because you're biased against him , though he did more good and harm than your N Korean style idol. If it was written by Thaksin, you'd be bustin' a nut. ..."more good and harm"... does that "and harm" neutralize the "good"? Meaning the guy did nothing effective? I think he did some good. Not being corrupt or utterly stupid f.i. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisswe Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Yes ,"The Simple Truth" is that you Mr.Abhisit are still responsible together Mr.Suthep as former PM and CREST Director for killing 91 peoples. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fab4 Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Why should military casualties be high ? The Red shirts started this aggressive protest and caused significant damage and interruption to the city commerce. They were given ample warning to disperse. My only comment was that the military should have taken the city back earlier. The big question is, why were there ANY military casualties? No, the big question is why were there so many unarmed civilian casualties, but it does expose your mindset. 76983_414264195317513_1946813878_n.jpg 205515_469389039805028_2079495794_n.jpg 561584_437038879668604_1482139738_n.jpg manopgun.jpg redshirts n.jpg No, the big question is why were there so many unarmed civilian casualties, I suspect that when the average army soldier is given the "Big Book of War" aka his ROE it is assumed that that soldier can tell the difference between an armed civilian (i.e a potential threat) and an unarmed civilian. Maybe pictures like yours above would help. This is an unarmed civilian who was no threat to soldiers. I think we all know what happened to her and who was responsible, and No, it wasn't Thaksin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcatcher Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Yes ,"The Simple Truth" is that you Mr.Abhisit are still responsible together Mr.Suthep as former PM and CREST Director for killing 91 peoples. Indeed! Let's hope that Messrs Abhisit, Suthep and Thaksin can stand in court one day, Abhisit and Suthep charged with the 2010 deaths and Thaksin charged with the thousands of drug crackdown related deaths plus Khrue Sae and Tak Bai incidents. Fair enough? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rixalex Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 I suspect that when the average army soldier is given the "Big Book of War" aka his ROE it is assumed that that soldier can tell the difference between an armed civilian (i.e a potential threat) and an unarmed civilian. Maybe pictures like yours above would help. This is an unarmed civilian who was no threat to soldiers. I think we all know what happened to her and who was responsible, and No, it wasn't Thaksin.Both the armed and the unarmed people, who weren't there by choice, who were there legally in some official capacity, be it soldiers, medics or whoever, are the ones who my sympathies go out to, and the ones who deserve justice. The remaining people, and the vast majority, who were there illegally and of their own free will, and who formed part of a group that included armed militants, have themselves to blame for their fate. Of course though we live in a day and age when anything bad that happens to a person, is never their own fault, it's always someone else's. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fab4 Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 I suspect that when the average army soldier is given the "Big Book of War" aka his ROE it is assumed that that soldier can tell the difference between an armed civilian (i.e a potential threat) and an unarmed civilian. Maybe pictures like yours above would help. This is an unarmed civilian who was no threat to soldiers. I think we all know what happened to her and who was responsible, and No, it wasn't Thaksin.Both the armed and the unarmed people, who weren't there by choice, who were there legally in some official capacity, be it soldiers, medics or whoever, are the ones who my sympathies go out to, and the ones who deserve justice. The remaining people, and the vast majority, who were there illegally and of their own free will, and who formed part of a group that included armed militants, have themselves to blame for their fate.Of course though we live in a day and age when anything bad that happens to a person, is never their own fault, it's always someone else's. "The remaining people, and the vast majority, who were there illegally and of their own free will, and who formed part of a group that included armed militants, have themselves to blame for their fate." That is a pathetic and particularly unpleasant "argument' all to often seen on here, usually forwarded by those of the "hard of thinking" persuasion. Have you never heard of a reasoned response to a perceived threat aka "a proportional response". In the unlikely event of getting that coward Abhisit into court it's likely you'll be hearing that phrase a lot - it's all that stands between him and sentencing (well that and usual suspects intervening) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gemini81 Posted October 25, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2013 (edited) I suspect that when the average army soldier is given the "Big Book of War" aka his ROE it is assumed that that soldier can tell the difference between an armed civilian (i.e a potential threat) and an unarmed civilian. Maybe pictures like yours above would help. This is an unarmed civilian who was no threat to soldiers. I think we all know what happened to her and who was responsible, and No, it wasn't Thaksin.Both the armed and the unarmed people, who weren't there by choice, who were there legally in some official capacity, be it soldiers, medics or whoever, are the ones who my sympathies go out to, and the ones who deserve justice. The remaining people, and the vast majority, who were there illegally and of their own free will, and who formed part of a group that included armed militants, have themselves to blame for their fate.Of course though we live in a day and age when anything bad that happens to a person, is never their own fault, it's always someone else's. "The remaining people, and the vast majority, who were there illegally and of their own free will, and who formed part of a group that included armed militants, have themselves to blame for their fate." That is a pathetic and particularly unpleasant "argument' all to often seen on here, usually forwarded by those of the "hard of thinking" persuasion. Have you never heard of a reasoned response to a perceived threat aka "a proportional response". In the unlikely event of getting that coward Abhisit into court it's likely you'll be hearing that phrase a lot - it's all that stands between him and sentencing (well that and usual suspects intervening) Coward? Who ran to dubai like a b*tch dog with its tail between its legs? Who is brave and stays here and stands up for his actions and is transparent? The drivel in your troll posts is like a boy with both fingers in the cookie jar telling his mom, "Mom I don't have my fingers in the cookie jar" You're taking all the facts and what is on record and saying the opposite; it looks silly with a total lack of reasoning, sensibility or regard for the truth. You're saying people who are breaking the law and told to leave, and continue violence, should not be punished in any way? How would you like illegal squatters on your property shutting down your way of life? That is ok? Kiss their butts & don't hurt them, but send you away to jail like you want to see done to Abhisit for finally, after months, saying no more? If you opposed the squatters on your private property, then by your reasoning, you should be off to court too. See the silliness in your statements yet? You make no practical, rational nor common sense.Is your old lady putting something in your drink? Edited October 25, 2013 by gemini81 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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