People’s court for Shinawatra family if……

[Nickymaster]

Thailand’s Big Brother Drama

Like many loving siblings, Yingluck looks out for her kin. Recently she tried to ram a get-out-of-jail-free card for Thaksin and other politicians through the parliament -- as big a political blunder as Asia has seen in years.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-07/thailand-s-big-brother-drama.html

Edited November 8, 2013 by Nickymaster

[GentlemanJim]

Thailands Big Brother Drama

Like many loving siblings, Yingluck looks out for her kin. Recently she tried to ram a get-out-of-jail-free card for Thaksin and other politicians through the parliament -- as big a political blunder as Asia has seen in years.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-07/thailand-s-big-brother-drama.html

Thanks so much for that article. It should be mandatory reading for all red and Thaksin apologists. There it is folks on Bloomberg, the most cutting damning article about clan Shiniwatra i have ever read in the foreign media.

[Ricardo]

This idea of a 'Peoples' Court' is excellent political theatre, and very entertaining for us onlookers, but unfortunately the first production would be a farce, one suspects.

[Thai at Heart]

Thailands Big Brother Drama

Like many loving siblings, Yingluck looks out for her kin. Recently she tried to ram a get-out-of-jail-free card for Thaksin and other politicians through the parliament -- as big a political blunder as Asia has seen in years.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-07/thailand-s-big-brother-drama.html

Thanks so much for that article. It should be mandatory reading for all red and Thaksin apologists. There it is folks on Bloomberg, the most cutting damning article about clan Shiniwatra i have ever read in the foreign media.

Interesting article.

I like the line about wasting 7 years on all things Thaksin.

I would think wasting 70 years on coups and corruption a little more relevant.

[Thai at Heart]

This idea of a 'Peoples' Court' is excellent political theatre, and very entertaining for us onlookers, but unfortunately the first production would be a farce, one suspects.

What if thaksin wins in sutheps court? Bit of an anti climax.

[GentlemanJim]

This idea of a 'Peoples' Court' is excellent political theatre, and very entertaining for us onlookers, but unfortunately the first production would be a farce, one suspects.

What if thaksin wins in sutheps court? Bit of an anti climax.

I fancy there could be a slightly better than evans chance the 'jury' could be a tadge biased

The peoples court is a mistake. They had PTP and the reds almost completely divided, this has now given them the motivation to rejoin forces again.

[h90]

I usually get very jittery when anything that says "people's" comes up. I get visions of Mao and Stalin

yes "peoples" is somehow copyright for the commies.

I would have expect that the reds want a peoples court but not the democrats.

Seems both sides heavily steal good ideas from honorable sources like

Stasi

Gestapo

communists

nazis

Nsa

China

Che Guavara

Goebels

Maybe for a change they copy

Ghandi

Swiss government ideas

Chinese corruption laws

German education system

Swiss government ideas - would that be about allowing the most corrupt banking system in the world then ? Swiss banks happily provided services to members of most of the "honorable" sources you mention.

German education system - what makes you think there is anything special about that ? Try the Finnish or Korean systems if you want the high performing ones. The German system is not particularly well regarded, even by most of German friends.

Chinese corruption laws ? Hopefully you mean Chinese anti-corruption laws.

Maybe Thailand should find its own role models. Certainly not those of dubious European countries.

I can't see what the Swiss banking system made wrong. They do banking not some moral selection. (like Paypal and Visa who canceled with Wikileak accounts). And I don't see what the way Switzerland governs has to do much with the banks.

German education because German engineered products are top and worldwide regarded, with an excellent labor force. Surely Korean system is also good. Finnish...I don't know.

I didn't think on the schools, I thought more on the education of the labor, where the young one, work, but get some school time between.

I didn't know that China has some pro-corruption laws as well . I mean the anti-corruption laws

No Thailand doesn't need to start from point zero....just look what works and learn from it, adjust it to the local needs and use it.

Thailand tried to write its own constitution how many times? And everyone has some major errors. Wouldn't it better to just have a look at some existing one that are proofed?

[Thai at Heart]

This idea of a 'Peoples' Court' is excellent political theatre, and very entertaining for us onlookers, but unfortunately the first production would be a farce, one suspects.

What if thaksin wins in sutheps court? Bit of an anti climax.

I fancy there could be a slightly better than evans chance the 'jury' could be a tadge biased

The peoples court is a mistake. They had PTP and the reds almost completely divided, this has now given them the motivation to rejoin forces again.

I agree. It's grandstanding. All they need to do, is sit in and ptp would fall by the end of next week. They need to get abhisit up on stage raging about anti corruption....

Now is the chance to stick it to them. 100s of my friends from isaan have that black emblem for avatars.

[phantomfiddler]

If Thailand is ever going to move forward politically, it is time for old school types like Chalerm, Silpa Archa, Sondhi, entire Shinawatra clan, Abhisit AND first of all Suthep to leave the scene completely.

My solution; grant a blanket amnesty to all, with the specific condition that all who benefit from it can't ever be in politics again. Just take all your ill-gotten gains and leave!

Since when is Abhisit an "old school type"?

I agree, Abhisit does not belong in any list that contains the names a Chalerm or Big-T.

[Thai at Heart]

I usually get very jittery when anything that says "people's" comes up. I get visions of Mao and Stalin

yes "peoples" is somehow copyright for the commies.

I would have expect that the reds want a peoples court but not the democrats.

Seems both sides heavily steal good ideas from honorable sources like

Stasi

Gestapo

communists

nazis

Nsa

China

Che Guavara

Goebels

Maybe for a change they copy

Ghandi

Swiss government ideas

Chinese corruption laws

German education system

Swiss government ideas - would that be about allowing the most corrupt banking system in the world then ? Swiss banks happily provided services to members of most of the "honorable" sources you mention.

German education system - what makes you think there is anything special about that ? Try the Finnish or Korean systems if you want the high performing ones. The German system is not particularly well regarded, even by most of German friends.

Chinese corruption laws ? Hopefully you mean Chinese anti-corruption laws.

Maybe Thailand should find its own role models. Certainly not those of dubious European countries.

I can't see what the Swiss banking system made wrong. They do banking not some moral selection. (like Paypal and Visa who canceled with Wikileak accounts). And I don't see what the way Switzerland governs has to do much with the banks.

German education because German engineered products are top and worldwide regarded, with an excellent labor force. Surely Korean system is also good. Finnish...I don't know.

I didn't think on the schools, I thought more on the education of the labor, where the young one, work, but get some school time between.

I didn't know that China has some pro-corruption laws as well . I mean the anti-corruption laws

No Thailand doesn't need to start from point zero....just look what works and learn from it, adjust it to the local needs and use it.

Thailand tried to write its own constitution how many times? And everyone has some major errors. Wouldn't it better to just have a look at some existing one that are proofed?

It's all good until the "modify it for local needs".

Defamation, parliamentary immunity and the legal system are three abominations created with the best intent and the worst of all Thai outcomes.

[jdinasia]

This idea of a 'Peoples' Court' is excellent political theatre, and very entertaining for us onlookers, but unfortunately the first production would be a farce, one suspects.

What if thaksin wins in sutheps court? Bit of an anti climax.

If my assumption on what the plans are for this is correct .... It would be hard for there to be a winner This should simply be like listening to the prosecution only in a real trial. Then it gets turned over to the people to be the judges on what Thaksin has done. The thing is it will not only be about Thaksin. This could drag in all of his cronies. Bring up Finland again. etc. I am wondering if the threat to "out" Newin and Silpa-Archa etc has been floated across back channels as well.

This could lead to massive house cleaning and end careers, or it could simply be theater to fill in the time and gather more people to the rally.

Part of me doubts that Suthep would actually name anyone but Thaksin since Suthep himself is fairly exposed when it comes to corruption allegations.

The follow-on of this event could easily be a renewed and vigorous call for stronger anti-corruption laws. Sadly it could also be just more back room negotiations as well.

[Thai at Heart]

This idea of a 'Peoples' Court' is excellent political theatre, and very entertaining for us onlookers, but unfortunately the first production would be a farce, one suspects.

What if thaksin wins in sutheps court? Bit of an anti climax.

If my assumption on what the plans are for this is correct .... It would be hard for there to be a winner This should simply be like listening to the prosecution only in a real trial. Then it gets turned over to the people to be the judges on what Thaksin has done. The thing is it will not only be about Thaksin. This could drag in all of his cronies. Bring up Finland again. etc. I am wondering if the threat to "out" Newin and Silpa-Archa etc has been floated across back channels as well.

This could lead to massive house cleaning and end careers, or it could simply be theater to fill in the time and gather more people to the rally.

Part of me doubts that Suthep would actually name anyone but Thaksin since Suthep himself is fairly exposed when it comes to corruption allegations.

The follow-on of this event could easily be a renewed and vigorous call for stronger anti-corruption laws. Sadly it could also be just more back room negotiations as well.

Suthep is absolutely the wrong guy for this.

[jdinasia]

If Suthep is willing to do it then he may be exactly the right guy. It will most likely be a career ender for whoever is on that stage. I wold love to see the regional power families moved out of politics and Suthep is certainly one of the regional lords right up there with Newin and the rest.

[bigbamboo]

I usually get very jittery when anything that says "people's" comes up. I get visions of Mao and Stalin

yes "peoples" is somehow copyright for the commies.

I would have expect that the reds want a peoples court but not the democrats.

Seems both sides heavily steal good ideas from honorable sources like

Stasi

Gestapo

communists

nazis

Nsa

China

Che Guavara

Goebels

Maybe for a change they copy

Ghandi

Swiss government ideas

Chinese corruption laws

German education system

Swiss government ideas - would that be about allowing the most corrupt banking system in the world then ? Swiss banks happily provided services to members of most of the "honorable" sources you mention.

German education system - what makes you think there is anything special about that ? Try the Finnish or Korean systems if you want the high performing ones. The German system is not particularly well regarded, even by most of German friends.

Chinese corruption laws ? Hopefully you mean Chinese anti-corruption laws.

Maybe Thailand should find its own role models. Certainly not those of dubious European countries.

I can't see what the Swiss banking system made wrong. They do banking not some moral selection. (like Paypal and Visa who canceled with Wikileak accounts). And I don't see what the way Switzerland governs has to do much with the banks.

German education because German engineered products are top and worldwide regarded, with an excellent labor force. Surely Korean system is also good. Finnish...I don't know.

I didn't think on the schools, I thought more on the education of the labor, where the young one, work, but get some school time between.

I didn't know that China has some pro-corruption laws as well . I mean the anti-corruption laws

No Thailand doesn't need to start from point zero....just look what works and learn from it, adjust it to the local needs and use it.

Thailand tried to write its own constitution how many times? And everyone has some major errors. Wouldn't it better to just have a look at some existing one that are proofed?

The Nazis loved the Swiss banks way of doing business as do all those secret numbered account holding politicians and criminals around the world.

Finland is consistently recognised as having the best education system in the world, or at least as good as any.

China certainly doesn't mess about when it comes to corruption. I doubt Thai officials would be too keen on that approach though.

Edited November 8, 2013 by bigbamboo

[fab4]

Seems like his 15 minutes of fame has gone to his head!!

Not so, The people put them in power, and the people can take them out

Certainly true in Yinglucks case, put in power by the people through an election, and if she is to be removed it should be by the people through an election.

In Sutheps case wasn't he put in power "by other means" ?

Yes, the idiot abhisit employed him .........................twice.

[SICHONSTEVE]

Hard to imagine that a "Peoples' Court" would pass the "Constitutional Court" test...

But I don't think he's lost the plot, he's just pressing his advantage at this moment, when the impetus is in his favor.i

........and why shouldn't he!!!! Yingluck is on the ropes and she won't have a clue how to rescue herself now it has all gone pear shaped so rapidly!! Oh joy!! They deserve to suffer and to lose face in such away must be so intolerable to them it doesn't bear thinking about.

She could certainly do with Chalerm at her side now but thaksin did away with him because he was out shining little sis!!

Edited November 8, 2013 by SICHONSTEVE

[noahvail]

Hard to imagine that a "Peoples' Court" would pass the "Constitutional Court" test...

But I don't think he's lost the plot, he's just pressing his advantage at this moment, when the impetus is in his favor.i

........and why shouldn't he!!!! Yingluck is on the ropes and she won't have a clue how to rescue herself now it has all gone pear shaped so rapidly!! Oh joy!! They deserve to suffer and to lose face in such away must be so intolerable to them it doesn't bear thinking about.

She could certainly do with Chalerm at her side now but thaksin did away with him because he was out shining little sis!!

Agreed. After two years of failed policies and directives, all the while stating it's the Dems' fault, the time seems to have come when the growing opposition is starting to come into its own. Suthep is merely fanning the metaphoric flames, as opposed to the real flames that certain members of this government called for a few short years ago.

[fab4]

Thailands Big Brother Drama

Like many loving siblings, Yingluck looks out for her kin. Recently she tried to ram a get-out-of-jail-free card for Thaksin and other politicians through the parliament -- as big a political blunder as Asia has seen in years.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-07/thailand-s-big-brother-drama.html

Thanks so much for that article. It should be mandatory reading for all red and Thaksin apologists. There it is folks on Bloomberg, the most cutting damning article about clan Shiniwatra i have ever read in the foreign media.

"Excellent article" - except he seems to have missed out the entire period of time the Democrat party was in power

[WAERTH]

It seems "big brother" will unleash "the dogs" this sunday at 16.00 near MBK

[virtualtraveller]

Just come clean and ditch the bill, you created this showdown, now fix it, stop this crap about 'topple the govt' or 'bill to help the people reconcile'. Idiots.

[SICHONSTEVE]

Just come clean and ditch the bill, you created this showdown, now fix it, stop this crap about 'topple the govt' or 'bill to help the people reconcile'. Idiots.

They have revealed their hand and the people have seen through it - even if the Northerners have 'got the wrong end of the stick' in thinking that Suthep and Abhisit will be spending some jail time. They won't!!!!

[ratcatcher]

It seems "big brother" will unleash "the dogs" this sunday at 16.00 near MBK

Yes, the Red army is being mobilized to thwart this threat to democratic rule from the opponents of Thaksin & Yingluck. All the stars will be there at various locations including Jatuporn, Nattawut, Arisman and other incendiary characters.

Looks like being a wet and wonderful weekend..

[rametindallas]

If Thailand is ever going to move forward politically, it is time for old school types like Chalerm, Silpa Archa, Sondhi, entire Shinawatra clan, Abhisit AND first of all Suthep to leave the scene completely.

My solution; grant a blanket amnesty to all, with the specific condition that all who benefit from it can't ever be in politics again. Just take all your ill-gotten gains and leave!

Nice fantasy. Dr. Thaksin is not allowed to be in politics but that doesn't stop him. The former Thai Rak Thai executive board, that was banned for five years, just got nominees to do what they wanted. Everyone whose crime was greater than protesting should be prosecuted and punished if found guilty or that is the end of any semblance of justice in Thailand,

[hellodolly]

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+1

If Thailand is ever going to move forward politically, it is time for old school types like Chalerm, Silpa Archa, Sondhi, entire Shinawatra clan, Abhisit AND first of all Suthep to leave the scene completely.

My solution; grant a blanket amnesty to all, with the specific condition that all who benefit from it can't ever be in politics again. Just take all your ill-gotten gains and leave!

You do realize that Thaksin is not in politics he is a private citizen with enough money to buy politicians to do his work for him.

I am not red/pink/blue shirt but there is something i really dont understand about the yellow shirt.

These people spend a lot time and energy fighting against TRT, Thaksin, red shirt.

But why they didnt spend more time, trying to tackle the everdyday corruption, the local corruption, the corruption that happen in your corner street ???

The country do have a huge problem with corruption and it doesnt come from only one guy, but from any officials in this country.

Every guy with power in this country is crooked, so why dont start with them!

Why just focuse on Thaksin, its just a waste of time, and self destruction.

You are correct and I think it would be a very good idea for the yellow shirts to focus on stopping corruption.

As for why focus on one man.

Well that is an easy one.

Take that one man out and you will see the government leaderless and free to start to clean up the rest of the rotten apples. Leave him there and take out a rotten apple and he will just put another one in his or her's place. For a man who is not in politics he sure controls it with his for hire politicians and red thugs.

Perhaps they could start all over again in their home towns and work on the corruption there. Get some experience and then step up to the national scene. This would benefit their communities and be a lot easier than cleaning up the National Government. Plus they would be able to say see what we have accomplished. There by bringing in more support and having real experience instead of a head full of ideas what others should do.

A win win

[hellodolly]

Thailands Big Brother Drama

Like many loving siblings, Yingluck looks out for her kin. Recently she tried to ram a get-out-of-jail-free card for Thaksin and other politicians through the parliament -- as big a political blunder as Asia has seen in years.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-07/thailand-s-big-brother-drama.html

Thanks so much for that article. It should be mandatory reading for all red and Thaksin apologists. There it is folks on Bloomberg, the most cutting damning article about clan Shiniwatra i have ever read in the foreign media.

"Excellent article" - except he seems to have missed out the entire period of time the Democrat party was in power

Of course he did. If the article was about Abhist he would have left out the 9 years Thaksin was and is in power. Are you feeling OK.

It was really Generous to Thaksin it didn't mention his instigating and financing an attempted coup on Abhist that cost upwards of 100 lives. Plus no one really knows the cost the government spent to stop him in his drive for dictatorship.

I really liked this part

With his ambitions thwarted for now, the focus has turned to how much money this setback will cost Thaksin. Thais should be worrying instead about how much this political circus is hurting their $366 billion economy. Every day that politicians and policy makers in Bangkok spend obsessing over Thaksin’s return is one that’s not being used to modernize the economy, increase competiveness and avoid the “middle-income trap” that befalls many developing nations and may soon ensnare Thailand.

Are you absolutely sure you are OK?

[hellodolly]

A peoples court eh. What the hell are all the other courts then? Read: there is nothing legitimate in the existing legal framework. Sort that little problem out first, then with an apolitical AG and court system all suspects can be tried, the findings will be trusted and people can get on with their lives. Better still, raise a posse and let's have a good ol' fashioned lynching.

Well I would like to0 agree with you on the lynching. It would be good to get rid of Thaksin and his stooges permanently but it is illegal so I can't agree with you.

Sorry

The big question is how to get "an apolitical AG and court system" to act in a legal way when they are doing the bidding of the ones who should be lynched and can not be lynched because that would be illegal? Remember these are not people with a private agenda that allows for killing people to get there way. These are honest hard working Thais from all over the Nation and different sectors in it.

[scorecard]

A peoples court eh. What the hell are all the other courts then? Read: there is nothing legitimate in the existing legal framework. Sort that little problem out first, then with an apolitical AG and court system all suspects can be tried, the findings will be trusted and people can get on with their lives. Better still, raise a posse and let's have a good ol' fashioned lynching.

Well I would like to0 agree with you on the lynching. It would be good to get rid of Thaksin and his stooges permanently but it is illegal so I can't agree with you.

Sorry

The big question is how to get "an apolitical AG and court system" to act in a legal way when they are doing the bidding of the ones who should be lynched and can not be lynched because that would be illegal? Remember these are not people with a private agenda that allows for killing people to get there way. These are honest hard working Thais from all over the Nation and different sectors in it.

Well one can only hope that the current protests are a strong and serious sign of the public demanding accountability.

If there was strong and sustained demand by the public for accountability by all government agencies and officials then there might well be some serious and valuable change.

[Roadman]

A peoples court eh. What the hell are all the other courts then? Read: there is nothing legitimate in the existing legal framework. Sort that little problem out first, then with an apolitical AG and court system all suspects can be tried, the findings will be trusted and people can get on with their lives. Better still, raise a posse and let's have a good ol' fashioned lynching.

Well I would like to0 agree with you on the lynching. It would be good to get rid of Thaksin and his stooges permanently but it is illegal so I can't agree with you.

Sorry

The big question is how to get "an apolitical AG and court system" to act in a legal way when they are doing the bidding of the ones who should be lynched and can not be lynched because that would be illegal? Remember these are not people with a private agenda that allows for killing people to get there way. These are honest hard working Thais from all over the Nation and different sectors in it.

Agree. Suthep is an idiot and a loose cannon and should focus on the overturning of the amnesty bill. He is just as bad as Thaksin and his scum who put themselves above the law by bending that same law for vigilante justice. Nether he nor Thaksin are judge, jury and executioner.

You correctly isolated the one person who needs to stand up after Monday and do their job independently. The biggest farce in all of this is the Thaksin no charges to answer for the "Men in Black" attack on Bangkok, its citizens and the Thai Army. Perhaps the courage of the Senate throwing out Thaksins "I am above the law" bill might stick on the AG and flow onto the countries judges. One can only hope.

[jdinasia]

Roadman,

I still think you guys are missing the point. I think the "People's Court" is going to be something akin to a censure debate with one huge difference. It is going to have an audience.

I am on record regarding my feelings about the regional power brokers like Suthep. The thing is people may actually hear the message about Thaksin and his clan as well as the cronyism etc. for the first time ever with this. I think it is going to be an awesome piece of street theater (or if you prefer -- an example of realpolitik.) If done right it could even possibly get the word out about what the Dems have actually done over the years.

Then again, it could be an abysmal failure. The difference will be in how well they pull it off and if history is an example ... it will flop. They have never been good at reaching the average Somchai.

[Thai at Heart]

Roadman,

I still think you guys are missing the point. I think the "People's Court" is going to be something akin to a censure debate with one huge difference. It is going to have an audience.

I am on record regarding my feelings about the regional power brokers like Suthep. The thing is people may actually hear the message about Thaksin and his clan as well as the cronyism etc. for the first time ever with this. I think it is going to be an awesome piece of street theater (or if you prefer -- an example of realpolitik.) If done right it could even possibly get the word out about what the Dems have actually done over the years.

Then again, it could be an abysmal failure. The difference will be in how well they pull it off and if history is an example ... it will flop. They have never been good at reaching the average Somchai.

Didn't they have so called peoples courts during mao's purges.