Jatuporn claims protesters seek to topple the government

[rametindallas]

Jatuporn claims protesters seek to topple the government

For once, Jatuporn is dead right. Oust this Thaksin 'puppet' government and you won't have to keep having protests by the public. It is too late for Puea Thai to 'take it back' as they have now shown their willingness to pardon their own corruption plus that of Dr. Thaksin. All 310 MPs who voted for this atrocious bill need to step down and get out of politics forever.

[rametindallas]

I wouldn't even respond to the wamker. It's as simple as that.

-mel.

Hey mel, what is a wamker?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=<deleted>

[rametindallas]

"Demanding that the amnesty bill and all other 6 reconciliation drafts be pulled out immediately was impossible, as there is still a 180-day period that they must remain by law."

Luckily for the government they didn't lie, they can withdraw the six amnesty bill scheduled in parliament but not discussed yet. The other bill will indeed remain either rejected or modified for a possible 180 days. Of course if the government is sincere they could have all coalition partners vote to reject the bill once the Senate hands it back to them.

The best outcome would be if the Senate amended it to be harmless to the country and sent it back to the Lower House for consideration and see if they dare to pass the amended version (Dr. Thaksin would have a stroke). This way it can't come back in 180 days and not need Senate approval.

If the Senate secretly supports it, they will just vote it down and in six months the Lower House, alone, can pass it directly into law with 50% +1 votes.

[rametindallas]

Skywalker69 post # 35

His Armani suit is maybe sent to laundry.

This is true.

It appears as if his suit is stained by male bovine solid fecal matter waste along with some rather strange whitish looking stains on his pants too .

Splatters all over the place it seems, don't know what came over Jutaporn's pants though.

Wonder if he bring his laundry to his old mother?

His mother lives in Nakhon Sri Thammarat and is on record as not being too proud of her son's behavior.

[Skywalker69]

 

 

Skywalker69 post # 35

 

His Armani suit is maybe sent to laundry.

 

 

This is true.

It appears as if his suit is stained by  male bovine solid fecal matter waste along with some rather strange whitish looking stains on his pants too .  

 

Splatters all over the place it seems, don't know what came over Jutaporn's  pants though.

 

 

Wonder  if he bring his laundry to his old mother?

 

His mother lives in Nakhon Sri Thammarat and is on record as not being too proud of her son's behavior.

Yes I have seen her picture, poor lady really got a pice of sxxt for a son.

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[Thait Spot]

I see some red shirt leaders are so worried at losing the Thaksin dollar for abstaining during the vote for the bill that they are back in the Party ranks

Only seems 5 minutes ago that they were also protesting the bill.

It hasn't been rejected by the senate at all

It will be interesting to see how many they can muster. Is see there are sizable anti government protests around the globe

Will the orders from afar be to create mayhem?

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[JRSoul]

I wouldn't even respond to the wamker. It's as simple as that.

-mel.

Hey mel, what is a wamker?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=<deleted>

www.specsavers.com

[ballpoint]

Quick Fabman, to the Spinmobile.

(btw, the only way to have a debate on any subject is, read everything)

It's hard to keep up with everything when you need to spend so much time coming up with new user names.

[Emptyset]

I see some red shirt leaders are so worried at losing the Thaksin dollar for abstaining during the vote for the bill that they are back in the Party ranks

Only seems 5 minutes ago that they were also protesting the bill.

It hasn't been rejected by the senate at all

It will be interesting to see how many they can muster. Is see there are sizable anti government protests around the globe

Will the orders from afar be to create mayhem?

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Why would there be 'orders from afar to create mayhem'? Don't understand the logic behind this. Surely it's in the government's interests to calm things down and maintain stability, not pour fuel on the fire? At this point I'm 99% sure amnesty is dead for now. Of course, one can't be a 100% sure there won't be another move of astounding stupidity, but I think it's pretty clear that the government have backed down, and senate leader already said they would reject it.

Anyway, just spotted an interesting series of tweets by Matt Wheeler of International Crisis Group:

1: Hardcore RS upcountry just cited to me Anek's thesis. "Rural ppl choose govt, BKK ousts it. Not this time. If DP persists, it's war."

2: Furious lobbying of local RS leaders by UDD and PT last few days. Most hurt, but blame Army/DP for '10 deaths, not TS

3: They back amnesty because see no way AV/ST punished by courts. And they always wanted TS back.

4. Split among Reds quite real. Jatuporn has another source of $, but uncertain now w/ anti-TS forces on streets, amnesty dead.

--

A while back I heard that Jatuporn was ready to split from TS after not receiving a cabinet seat. Friend of a friend said Jatuporn said to a group of people: 'I brought Thaksin back up, and I can bring him back down'. Doesn't say much for Jatuporn if he actually said that because it means he seems to think that he's single-handedly responsible for Thaksin's popularity. Not lacking for confidence, anyway.

Edited November 9, 2013 by Emptyset

[15Peter20]

I see some red shirt leaders are so worried at losing the Thaksin dollar for abstaining during the vote for the bill that they are back in the Party ranks

Only seems 5 minutes ago that they were also protesting the bill.

It hasn't been rejected by the senate at all

It will be interesting to see how many they can muster. Is see there are sizable anti government protests around the globe

Will the orders from afar be to create mayhem?

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Why would there be 'orders from afar to create mayhem'? Don't understand the logic behind this. Surely it's in the government's interests to calm things down and maintain stability, not pour fuel on the fire? At this point I'm 99% amnesty is dead. Of course, one can't be a 100% sure there won't be another move of astounding stupidity, but I think it's pretty clear that the government have backed down, and senate leader already said they would reject it.

Anyway, just spotted an interesting series of tweets by Matt Wheeler of International Crisis Group:

1: Hardcore RS upcountry just cited to me Anek's thesis. "Rural ppl choose govt, BKK ousts it. Not this time. If DP persists, it's war."

2: Furious lobbying of local RS leaders by UDD and PT last few days. Most hurt, but blame Army/DP for '10 deaths, not TS

3: They back amnesty because see no way AV/ST punished by courts. And they always wanted TS back.

4. Split among Reds quite real. Jatuporn has another source of $, but uncertain now w/ anti-TS forces on streets, amnesty dead.

--

A while back I heard that Jatuporn was ready to split from TS after not receiving a cabinet seat. Friend of a friend said Jatuporn said to a group of people: 'I brought Thaksin back up, and I can bring him back down'. Doesn't say much for Jatuporn if he actually said that because it means he seems to think that he's single-handedly responsible for Thaksin's popularity. Not lacking for confidence, anyway.

Just FYI, a red shirt person I know (of the 'progressive' type since 2010) went to a red shirt rally in Lampun about a week ago. Nattawut and Jatuporn were there. At one point my friend went up to Nattawut and asked for a photo with him, and if it would be okay to hold up a sign whilst standing next to him. He said 'let's have a look at the sign first'. It read 'No to amnesty'. He said 'Okay'. Similar signs could also be seen whilst Jatuporn was speaking.

[fab4]

"According to Mr. Jatuporn, the current demonstrations comprised the same group of people that had assembled against Thaksin prior to the 2006 coup detat."

And people are supposed to be surprised at that?

No, but it is supposed to highlight that the demonstrations are not wholly in favour of getting rid of the amnesty Bill. There are other groups out there who will blame the government whatever the ICJ says, the anti - Thaksin groups, the students who are there because, well nobody knows, the ridiculous V mask wearing groups etc.

The Democrat Party in the shape of Suthep have recognised that and are trying to manipulate the groups towards their own end - witness Sutheps inflammatory "Peoples Court" called for on Monday, coincidentally just when we will have a good idea of what the Senate will do with the amnesty Bill and the ICJ decision will be in.

You watch the dems stir the crap then.

[ballpoint]

"According to Mr. Jatuporn, the current demonstrations comprised the same group of people that had assembled against Thaksin prior to the 2006 coup detat."

And people are supposed to be surprised at that?

No, but it is supposed to highlight that the demonstrations are not wholly in favour of getting rid of the amnesty Bill. There are other groups out there who will blame the government whatever the ICJ says, the anti - Thaksin groups, the students who are there because, well nobody knows, the ridiculous V mask wearing groups etc.

The Democrat Party in the shape of Suthep have recognised that and are trying to manipulate the groups towards their own end - witness Sutheps inflammatory "Peoples Court" called for on Monday, coincidentally just when we will have a good idea of what the Senate will do with the amnesty Bill and the ICJ decision will be in.

You watch the dems stir the crap then.

Yes, and in order to stir crap there must be some crap to stir. And the PTP/Reds are masters at generating it.

[EricBerg]

So Jutaporn is complaining that the protesters seek to topple the government, What's wrong with that? Seems like a Thai cultural thing to me.

[AleG]

Why would there be 'orders from afar to create mayhem'? Don't understand the logic behind this. Surely it's in the government's interests to calm things down and maintain stability, not pour fuel on the fire? At this point I'm 99% sure amnesty is dead for now. Of course, one can't be a 100% sure there won't be another move of astounding stupidity, but I think it's pretty clear that the government have backed down, and senate leader already said they would reject it.

Anyway, just spotted an interesting series of tweets by Matt Wheeler of International Crisis Group:

1: Hardcore RS upcountry just cited to me Anek's thesis. "Rural ppl choose govt, BKK ousts it. Not this time. If DP persists, it's war."

2: Furious lobbying of local RS leaders by UDD and PT last few days. Most hurt, but blame Army/DP for '10 deaths, not TS

3: They back amnesty because see no way AV/ST punished by courts. And they always wanted TS back.

4. Split among Reds quite real. Jatuporn has another source of $, but uncertain now w/ anti-TS forces on streets, amnesty dead.

--

A while back I heard that Jatuporn was ready to split from TS after not receiving a cabinet seat. Friend of a friend said Jatuporn said to a group of people: 'I brought Thaksin back up, and I can bring him back down'. Doesn't say much for Jatuporn if he actually said that because it means he seems to think that he's single-handedly responsible for Thaksin's popularity. Not lacking for confidence, anyway.

"Surely it's in the government's interests to calm things down and maintain stability, not pour fuel on the fire?"

Funny you should use that expression, pouring fuel into fire, because I just read somewhere else that Arisaman is gathering Red Shirts to counter the anti-amnesty protesters and "to protect Democracy", saying "either they stop or we will make them stop".

[jayboy]

Is Jatuporn sporting a lumberjack shirt to reassure the uneducated that he has rushed into the meeting straight from threshing his rice field, or is it just another PR exercise from the polished turd brigade?

The usual sneering post, a dig at Thailand's rural majority and devoid of substance.

But actually Jatuporn is right.The protestors do wish to topple the government whether by a miilitary coup or some type of judicial intervention.

It goes without saying the obvious course of toppling an unpopular government by voting it out does not occur to them.Why not? Answers on a post card please.

Kong Rithdee (one of the few BP staffers who seems quite balanced) in the other paper this morning, though contemptuous of Thaksin and his meglomania, correctly points out that the protests against him/umbrella amnesty would be much more compelling without the coup agenda so obviously present.

[SICHONSTEVE]

Typical statement from a one trick pony, he thinks everyone else only has the same trick.

For once, he is correct in stating that they (Thai educated people) want to remove this abject government!!! About time too.

What a cheek!! It wasn't Abhisit that killed those protesters it was him and Nattawut that were to blame and they should come out and admit it and hang their heads in shame!!

[metisdead]

Off topic posts and replies have been removed, this is not about the escape from a hotel in 2010.

[hellodolly]

Quick Fabman, to the Spinmobile.

(btw, the only way to have a debate on any subject is, read everything)

Damn I ran out of I likes so I will tell you I like it.

Also Mods take note it is further proof that we need more I likes and another button that says.

that's funny

[SICHONSTEVE]

If Thaksin hadn't ordered his lackeys to try to overthrow a 'legitimately voted in government' then none of this would ever have happened, so the blame lies with him and him alone.

Simple as that!!!

Edited November 9, 2013 by SICHONSTEVE

[indyuk]

Then get the amnesty bills completely killed and watch the protests dry up. Then you will be left with the hard core protesters that will do anything to get rid of the government.

Hello Whybother IMO the Amnesty Bill cannot not be Junked until the Senate 'Formally' return the Bill to Parliament with their comments, edits and red-lining,within 180 days.

If on return of the Bill to parliament it is found that the Senate view is negative the PM may fully, finally and absolutely withdraw, Cancel or Trash the Bill.

However depending on the political gravity of the matter the PM may immediately pass the Amnesty Bill into Law. A PM can do so by adopting the edits and comments of the Senate, or the PM may decide, at his/or her peril to pass the Amnesty Bill into Law without consideration to the Senate's due processes and advice.

Edited November 9, 2013 by indyuk

[SICHONSTEVE]

Then get the amnesty bills completely killed and watch the protests dry up. Then you will be left with the hard core protesters that will do anything to get rid of the government.

Hello Whybother IMO the Amnesty Bill cannot not be Junked until the Senate 'Formally' return the Bill to Parliament with their comments, edits and red-lining,within 180 days.

If on return of the Bill to parliament it is found that the Senate view is negative the PM may fully, finally and absolutely withdraw, Cancel or Trash the Bill.

However depending on the political gravity of the matter the PM may immediately pass the Amnesty Bill into Law. A PM can do so by adopting the edits and comments of the Senate, or the PM may decide, at his/or her peril to pass the Amnesty Bill into Law without consideration to the Senate's due processes and advice.

This just ain't gonna happen!!!

[metisdead]

Off topic posts and replies have been removed, this is not about the escape from a hotel in 2010.

This topic is not another re-hash of the events of 2010, this topic is about the current protest situation in Bangkok, more posts have been removed.

[drdoom6996]

Maybe they should change their party Name form National United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship to National United Front of Dictatorship Against Democracy! sounds a lot more suitable for this bunch of crooks.

+1

[rametindallas]

Then get the amnesty bills completely killed and watch the protests dry up. Then you will be left with the hard core protesters that will do anything to get rid of the government.

Hello Whybother IMO the Amnesty Bill cannot not be Junked until the Senate 'Formally' return the Bill to Parliament with their comments, edits and red-lining,within 180 days.

If on return of the Bill to parliament it is found that the Senate view is negative the PM may fully, finally and absolutely withdraw, Cancel or Trash the Bill.

However depending on the political gravity of the matter the PM may immediately pass the Amnesty Bill into Law. A PM can do so by adopting the edits and comments of the Senate, or the PM may decide, at his/or her peril to pass the Amnesty Bill into Law without consideration to the Senate's due processes and advice.

"the Amnesty Bill cannot not be Junked until the Senate 'Formally' return the Bill to Parliament with their comments, edits and red-lining,within 180 days"

False! The Senate has 60 day to act. If the bill is changed, the Lower House may proceed to vote for the changed bill immediately or may wait forever.

"the PM may fully, finally and absolutely withdraw, Cancel or Trash the Bill."

False! The PM has no say in non-financial bills. She cannot override the Lower House in any way.

"the PM may immediately pass the Amnesty Bill into Law. A PM can do so by adopting the edits and comments of the Senate:

False! The PM has no power to pass any type of bill and only has veto on financial bills. If the PM Lower House gets an 'amended' bill back from the Senate, it will require the same procedures as if it were a new bill. The Lower House can pass the Senate version of the bill in three readings or delay action on the bill.

"the PM may decide, at his/or her peril to pass the Amnesty Bill into Law without consideration to the Senate's due processes and advice."

False! The PM may not pass any bill into law. Only the Legislative branch can do that. Even the Lower House, if it gets a revised version of the Amnesty Bill from the Senate, may NOT strip out the revisions of the Senate. If the Senate sends a revised bill to the Lower House, the Lower House may proceed to vote on the revised bill immediately or at a later time. They may not introduce any alternative bill to replace the one the Senate sent to them.

I am amazed at how much wrong information you can get into such a short post. If the Senate returns the bill to the Lower House, unchanged, then no one can touch it; no changes or withdrawal, for 180 days. At that time the Lower House may cancel, amend, or pass the bill as written with a 50% +1 vote. They will need no approval from the Senate at that time.

[SICHONSTEVE]

Then get the amnesty bills completely killed and watch the protests dry up. Then you will be left with the hard core protesters that will do anything to get rid of the government.

Hello Whybother IMO the Amnesty Bill cannot not be Junked until the Senate 'Formally' return the Bill to Parliament with their comments, edits and red-lining,within 180 days.

If on return of the Bill to parliament it is found that the Senate view is negative the PM may fully, finally and absolutely withdraw, Cancel or Trash the Bill.

However depending on the political gravity of the matter the PM may immediately pass the Amnesty Bill into Law. A PM can do so by adopting the edits and comments of the Senate, or the PM may decide, at his/or her peril to pass the Amnesty Bill into Law without consideration to the Senate's due processes and advice.

"the Amnesty Bill cannot not be Junked until the Senate 'Formally' return the Bill to Parliament with their comments, edits and red-lining,within 180 days"

False! The Senate has 60 day to act. If the bill is changed, the Lower House may proceed to vote for the changed bill immediately or may wait forever.

"the PM may fully, finally and absolutely withdraw, Cancel or Trash the Bill."

False! The PM has no say in non-financial bills. She cannot override the Lower House in any way.

"the PM may immediately pass the Amnesty Bill into Law. A PM can do so by adopting the edits and comments of the Senate:

False! The PM has no power to pass any type of bill and only has veto on financial bills. If the PM Lower House gets an 'amended' bill back from the Senate, it will require the same procedures as if it were a new bill. The Lower House can pass the Senate version of the bill in three readings or delay action on the bill.

"the PM may decide, at his/or her peril to pass the Amnesty Bill into Law without consideration to the Senate's due processes and advice."

False! The PM may not pass any bill into law. Only the Legislative branch can do that. Even the Lower House, if it gets a revised version of the Amnesty Bill from the Senate, may NOT strip out the revisions of the Senate. If the Senate sends a revised bill to the Lower House, the Lower House may proceed to vote on the revised bill immediately or at a later time. They may not introduce any alternative bill to replace the one the Senate sent to them.

I am amazed at how much wrong information you can get into such a short post. If the Senate returns the bill to the Lower House, unchanged, then no one can touch it; no changes or withdrawal, for 180 days. At that time the Lower House may cancel, amend, or pass the bill as written with a 50% +1 vote. They will need no approval from the Senate at that time.

Who cares??

This bill is irrelevant now as it will not see the light of day ever again, and with a bit of luck, Thaksin will never see Thailand again!!!

This farce is a game changer whereby Thaksin has literally blown all of his hopes out of the water in one fell swoop.

I thought that this would happen - maybe I can get a job as his adviser, Ie: on some nice places to go to on holiday (excluding Thailand of course)!!

[SICHONSTEVE]

Then get the amnesty bills completely killed and watch the protests dry up. Then you will be left with the hard core protesters that will do anything to get rid of the government.

Hello Whybother IMO the Amnesty Bill cannot not be Junked until the Senate 'Formally' return the Bill to Parliament with their comments, edits and red-lining,within 180 days.

If on return of the Bill to parliament it is found that the Senate view is negative the PM may fully, finally and absolutely withdraw, Cancel or Trash the Bill.

However depending on the political gravity of the matter the PM may immediately pass the Amnesty Bill into Law. A PM can do so by adopting the edits and comments of the Senate, or the PM may decide, at his/or her peril to pass the Amnesty Bill into Law without consideration to the Senate's due processes and advice.

"the Amnesty Bill cannot not be Junked until the Senate 'Formally' return the Bill to Parliament with their comments, edits and red-lining,within 180 days"

False! The Senate has 60 day to act. If the bill is changed, the Lower House may proceed to vote for the changed bill immediately or may wait forever.

"the PM may fully, finally and absolutely withdraw, Cancel or Trash the Bill."

False! The PM has no say in non-financial bills. She cannot override the Lower House in any way.

"the PM may immediately pass the Amnesty Bill into Law. A PM can do so by adopting the edits and comments of the Senate:

False! The PM has no power to pass any type of bill and only has veto on financial bills. If the PM Lower House gets an 'amended' bill back from the Senate, it will require the same procedures as if it were a new bill. The Lower House can pass the Senate version of the bill in three readings or delay action on the bill.

"the PM may decide, at his/or her peril to pass the Amnesty Bill into Law without consideration to the Senate's due processes and advice."

False! The PM may not pass any bill into law. Only the Legislative branch can do that. Even the Lower House, if it gets a revised version of the Amnesty Bill from the Senate, may NOT strip out the revisions of the Senate. If the Senate sends a revised bill to the Lower House, the Lower House may proceed to vote on the revised bill immediately or at a later time. They may not introduce any alternative bill to replace the one the Senate sent to them.

I am amazed at how much wrong information you can get into such a short post. If the Senate returns the bill to the Lower House, unchanged, then no one can touch it; no changes or withdrawal, for 180 days. At that time the Lower House may cancel, amend, or pass the bill as written with a 50% +1 vote. They will need no approval from the Senate at that time.

Who cares??

This bill is irrelevant now as it will not see the light of day ever again, and with a bit of luck, Thaksin will never see Thailand again!!!

This farce is a game changer whereby Thaksin has literally blown all of his hopes out of the water in one fell swoop.

I thought that this would happen - maybe I can get a job as his adviser, Ie: on some nice places to go to on holiday (excluding Thailand of course)!!

[mrtoad]

Really Jatuporn should be in jail, as opposed to still be allowed to spout his bile and mistruths. However, he is right that the protestors want this Crimanal caddied government out of power. Funny how he finds that difficult to swallow, considering his actions in 2009 and 2010.

[outsider]

Heinous crimes by Abhisit and Suthep... yup, there are only two criminals in Thailand