Democrat Party moves to remove PM Yingluck, two ministers

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Democrat Party moves to remove PM Yingluck, two ministers
By English News



BANGKOK, Nov 16 – The Democrat Party has petitioned the Senate, seeking to impeach Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra and two Cabinet members for corruption and violations of the law.

Jurin Laksanawisit, chief opposition whip, yesterday submitted the petition, signed by 146 Democrat MPs, to Deputy Senate Speaker Surachai Liengboonlertchai in an attempt to remove Ms Yingluck, Deputy Prime Minister Plodprasop Suraswadi and Interior Minister Charupong Ruangsuwan.

Mr Jurin refused to disclose details of the petition but merely said it was confidential.

Mr Surachai said he would check the authenticity of the petition before forwarding it to the National Anti-Corruption Commission within 15 days.

If the three Cabinet members are found guilty, the Senate will be obliged to dismiss them, he said.

The Democrat Party later submitted a request for a non-confidence debate against the prime minister and interior minister.

The proposal was handed over to House Speaker Somsak Kiatsuranont who would not commit on when the censure debate will be held.

Somsak said he would convene a meeting of legal advisors on Monday to check the validity of the motion.

Mr Jurin said opposition MPs should be allowed to fully debate against the prime minister who should make herself present at the House of Representatives to personally give her clarifications. (MCOT online news)


-- TNA 2013-11-16

[winstonc]

better and better...gawd knows why it took this long too do.. ..she is definatley getting worried and worked up over all this..

[Calimotty]

Abhisit's idea of a General Election, all 146 votes? Dream on looser.

[Thainy Tim]

It shouldn't just stop at impeachment and dismissal. It should attract a hefty jail term as a future discouragement to others.

It's the only way Thailand will move forwards to a more honest and straight run democracy.

[Thainy Tim]

Abhisit's idea of a General Election, all 146 votes? Dream on looser.

Two questions.

Which part of the OP are you referencing exactly?

Did you study at the Shinawatra school of logical thought?

[ratcatcher]

Abhisit's idea of a General Election, all 146 votes? Dream on looser.

It may not come to that, the way PTP is going with their shoot in foot actions, they may well self-destruct.

And there's always a winner and a loser.

[coma]

Ohh lord ! If the dems want to get into government they need the entire PTP to go. And the best chance of that happening is whilst Yingluck is PM. If they succeed in ousting her that may well be enough to swing the Thai voting public to once again get behind the PTP. Leaving the dems without a seat when the music stops.

[coma]

Abhisit's idea of a General Election, all 146 votes? Dream on looser.

Did you study at the Shinawatra school of logical thought?

That wouldn't take long. They have none.

[soi41]

Guys, you are missing the real news here!!

Darling Yingluck has to be present to personally give her clarifications!!

Q: Driver, driver what is that big building there??

A: It is called the government house, something to do with politics, nothing to worry about Madame!!

Edited November 16, 2013 by soi41

[aussieinthailand]

Why is the (so called) details of the petition confidential?

If these guy's had evidence ( not the fabricated kind used last time to steal government ) of "corruption and violations of the law" why are they not crowing it from the highest buildings and having multiple finger pointing photos in the papers and on the tv?

it's ok though yellow shirts, when this is found to be a steaming pile of sh*t then some other accusations will be invented and you guy's can have another crack at stealing government, cause ya couldn't win one legally now can ya?

But hey if Yingluck and the 3 ministers are guilty then let the full weight of the law fall.

[worgeordie]

This will not be possible unless they have a few tanks

behind them .

regards Worgeordie

[angsta]

Why don't they have another election? Oh, wait...they can't win.

'Democracy' at its finest. Burma here we come...

[Thainy Tim]

Why is the (so called) details of the petition confidential?

If these guy's had evidence ( not the fabricated kind used last time to steal government ) of "corruption and violations of the law" why are they not crowing it from the highest buildings and having multiple finger pointing photos in the papers and on the tv?

it's ok though yellow shirts, when this is found to be a steaming pile of sh*t then some other accusations will be invented and you guy's can have another crack at stealing government, cause ya couldn't win one legally now can ya?

But hey if Yingluck and the 3 ministers are guilty then let the full weight of the law fall.

You don't get it do you? I will explain for you.

The reason they are not shouting it from the rooftops is because that would not really be the best thing to do. Not everyone are like the stupid PTP.

They have released the general intention, they held back the details of the accusations. This is probably for two reasons. Some things can prejudice a case if made public, especially early on even before a case is brought. Secondly, for-warning the defendants will only give them the ability to get everything brushed over and the correct people paid to wriggle out of this.

I think it is a very clever move.

Think about it.

Put Yingluck squarely in the spotlight with no per-warning to answer the questions regarding the evidence that support the accusations. No script from big bro, just straight questions and answers without outside interference. She will fall apart on the spot, that's if she can even understand the questions.

Blurting out the evidence from the start like I said will ensure the corruption and intimidation machine starts grinding into action which would probably scupper the whole case.

[pisico]

Ohh lord ! If the dems want to get into government they need the entire PTP to go. And the best chance of that happening is whilst Yingluck is PM. If they succeed in ousting her that may well be enough to swing the Thai voting public to once again get behind the PTP. Leaving the dems without a seat when the music stops.

How did Abhisit got to become PM?

That is the seat they are working on and... maybe the music will not stop.

[jdinasia]

The strange part of this is that in going for a censure debate on Yingluck they have made it that she cannot dissolve parliament. To my mind that may indicate that they have something to work with in the impeachment proceedings.

If it is irregularities in the rice pledging scheme then it makes sense for the Dems to try and keep this government alive long enough to get the information out to the voting base in Isaan.

[Sunderland]

Abhisit's idea of a General Election, all 146 votes? Dream on looser.

I know Thaksin said he can't spell 'lose' but I was hoping one of his supporters might be able to, and then be able to spell 'loser' correctly.

No wonder many officials in Thailand accepts a second rate education system.

[Sunderland]

Why is the (so called) details of the petition confidential?

If these guy's had evidence ( not the fabricated kind used last time to steal government ) of "corruption and violations of the law" why are they not crowing it from the highest buildings and having multiple finger pointing photos in the papers and on the tv?

it's ok though yellow shirts, when this is found to be a steaming pile of sh*t then some other accusations will be invented and you guy's can have another crack at stealing government, cause ya couldn't win one legally now can ya?

But hey if Yingluck and the 3 ministers are guilty then let the full weight of the law fall.

You don't get it do you? I will explain for you.

The reason they are not shouting it from the rooftops is because that would not really be the best thing to do. Not everyone are like the stupid PTP.

They have released the general intention, they held back the details of the accusations. This is probably for two reasons. Some things can prejudice a case if made public, especially early on even before a case is brought. Secondly, for-warning the defendants will only give them the ability to get everything brushed over and the correct people paid to wriggle out of this.

I think it is a very clever move.

Think about it.

Put Yingluck squarely in the spotlight with no per-warning to answer the questions regarding the evidence that support the accusations. No script from big bro, just straight questions and answers without outside interference. She will fall apart on the spot, that's if she can even understand the questions.

Blurting out the evidence from the start like I said will ensure the corruption and intimidation machine starts grinding into action which would probably scupper the whole case.

It remains to be seen if the Dems have a strong case (with strong supporting evidence) to pull this off. Should they actually have a strong case, then you are absolutely right that Yingluck will be squirming in her chair unless she can find another excuse not to be in Parliament ... which is highly possible.

Whilst not wishing to defend any Democrat members of Parliament against past, present or future allegations of corruption or poor governance, the present mob running the country have, in my humble opinion, failed to keep election promises and run the country for personal benefit. I join those that would like to see this mob, and all others who have been responsible for poor governance and corruption, made an example of for the future development of a more ethically run country. In this I must include the Democrat members who are found guilty in future court cases.

After 16 years here, I am not holding my breath, but it would be great for the future generations of Thailand's population to have a government who are fully accountable to the public and punished harshly for dipping into public funds for personal benefit.

[JRSoul]

Why don't they have another election? Oh, wait...they can't win.

'Democracy' at its finest. Burma here we come...

Who can't win? If PTP are so sure of winning, why hasn't the new election already been announced?

[473geo]

Previously didn't the democrats accuse Yingluck of possible vote buying because she cooked noodles in Nakon

What's next - ban PTP - after all I'm sure their members have all been involved in food preparation

[JRSoul]

You want a strong case against Yingluk? Her party has introduced a bill, and then modified to benefit her brother, using the defense that it was in the best interest of the country, and any benefits to Thaksin and other PTP members was an unintended side-effect. The party has then been instructed to vote for this bill on party lines.

Subsequently the bill has been rejected unanimously by the senate, not one member believing this was in the nation's interest. What is left is assisting her brother. That belief is also widespread in the electorate, even amongst party supporters.

As PM she has to take responsibility for her government and party's actions because she's the one accepted the position and the fat paycheck.

Hopefully the mistaken belief that you can get away with anything while in office, especially with the DSI in your pocket, is going to bite her badly. Her caddy should have known better.

[JRSoul]

Previously didn't the democrats accuse Yingluck of possible vote buying because she cooked noodles in Nakon

What's next - ban PTP - after all I'm sure their members have all been involved in food preparation

And now she's accused of corruptly attempting to assist her brother, a much more serious offence.

What's next - ban PTP because they voted for it, and some of them even might go to jail with her.

[Thaddeus]

Why don't they have another election? Oh, wait...they can't win.

'Democracy' at its finest. Burma here we come...

PTP probably would win the next election, if they still exist by then.

But the 'one man' is worried that their majority would be damaged to the point whereby he wouldn't be able to tell enough of the HoR how to vote.

[Goat Roper]

Why don't they have another election? Oh, wait...they can't win.

'Democracy' at its finest. Burma here we come...

Who can't win? If PTP are so sure of winning, why hasn't the new election already been announced?

I am not too verbal in this cesspool of Thai politics and really don't give a s**t about Thai politics but if PTP were so sure of their strength position they would have already held a referendum for the 'Amnesty" for the Dubai Dandy and would have avoided all this crap that is going on today. My guess is that TS and YL are two very worried souls today, this possibly is the last chance for the 'champion of democracy' to get the money back which he stole from the Thai taxpayer.

[fab4]

Abhisit's idea of a General Election, all 146 votes? Dream on looser.

Two questions.

Which part of the OP are you referencing exactly?

Did you study at the Shinawatra school of logical thought?

It's painfully obvious what he is saying.

Rather than try and achieve getting the democrat party into government with himself as its PM through the means of a general election and needing to attract say 12 - 15 million votes he goes for the less embarassing option of getting 146 votes from his party for an impeachment (who didn't vote,13 votes missing there, suthep and co. count for 9, maybe?)

[h90]

Why is the (so called) details of the petition confidential?

If these guy's had evidence ( not the fabricated kind used last time to steal government ) of "corruption and violations of the law" why are they not crowing it from the highest buildings and having multiple finger pointing photos in the papers and on the tv?

it's ok though yellow shirts, when this is found to be a steaming pile of sh*t then some other accusations will be invented and you guy's can have another crack at stealing government, cause ya couldn't win one legally now can ya?

But hey if Yingluck and the 3 ministers are guilty then let the full weight of the law fall.

??? when did someone steal government with evidences (fabricated or not fabricated)??

[55Jay]

She just bought a ticket to Bangkok.

[aussieinthailand]

Why don't they have another election? Oh, wait...they can't win.

'Democracy' at its finest. Burma here we come...

Who can't win? If PTP are so sure of winning, why hasn't the new election already been announced?

I am not too verbal in this cesspool of Thai politics and really don't give a s**t about Thai politics but if PTP were so sure of their strength position they would have already held a referendum for the 'Amnesty" for the Dubai Dandy and would have avoided all this crap that is going on today. My guess is that TS and YL are two very worried souls today, this possibly is the last chance for the 'champion of democracy' to get the money back which he stole from the Thai taxpayer.

What taxpayer money and how much did TS steal?

[473geo]

Previously didn't the democrats accuse Yingluck of possible vote buying because she cooked noodles in Nakon

What's next - ban PTP - after all I'm sure their members have all been involved in food preparation

And now she's accused of corruptly attempting to assist her brother, a much more serious offence.

What's next - ban PTP because they voted for it, and some of them even might go to jail with her.

Introducing a legislation change or run a proposal through government is not a corrupt action as far as I know, there were various versions submitted from various people for consideration, Yingluck as I recall did not take part in this process. Parliament deliberated the proposals....see anything that is blatant law breaking up to this point do you?

Great to see the Thaivisa Democrat sheeples blindly following the pathetic lead.

Edited November 16, 2013 by 473geo

[cornishcarlos]

Why is the (so called) details of the petition confidential?

If these guy's had evidence ( not the fabricated kind used last time to steal government ) of "corruption and violations of the law" why are they not crowing it from the highest buildings and having multiple finger pointing photos in the papers and on the tv?

it's ok though yellow shirts, when this is found to be a steaming pile of sh*t then some other accusations will be invented and you guy's can have another crack at stealing government, cause ya couldn't win one legally now can ya?

But hey if Yingluck and the 3 ministers are guilty then let the full weight of the law fall.

You don't get it do you? I will explain for you.

The reason they are not shouting it from the rooftops is because that would not really be the best thing to do. Not everyone are like the stupid PTP.

They have released the general intention, they held back the details of the accusations. This is probably for two reasons. Some things can prejudice a case if made public, especially early on even before a case is brought. Secondly, for-warning the defendants will only give them the ability to get everything brushed over and the correct people paid to wriggle out of this.

I think it is a very clever move.

Think about it.

Put Yingluck squarely in the spotlight with no per-warning to answer the questions regarding the evidence that support the accusations. No script from big bro, just straight questions and answers without outside interference. She will fall apart on the spot, that's if she can even understand the questions.

Blurting out the evidence from the start like I said will ensure the corruption and intimidation machine starts grinding into action which would probably scupper the whole case.

Do you really think that Miss Y doesn't already know the full content of the accusations ?

They have already said that her Singapore shopping trip was arranged before all this came to light, she will be trying new outfits and eating Nasi Goreng whilst all this goes down...

Edited November 16, 2013 by cornishcarlos

[Goat Roper]

Why don't they have another election? Oh, wait...they can't win.

'Democracy' at its finest. Burma here we come...

Who can't win? If PTP are so sure of winning, why hasn't the new election already been announced?

I am not too verbal in this cesspool of Thai politics and really don't give a s**t about Thai politics but if PTP were so sure of their strength position they would have already held a referendum for the 'Amnesty" for the Dubai Dandy and would have avoided all this crap that is going on today. My guess is that TS and YL are two very worried souls today, this possibly is the last chance for the 'champion of democracy' to get the money back which he stole from the Thai taxpayer.

What taxpayer money and how much did TS steal?

Do you live in Thailand and or have you followed the politics of this country for the past ten years? What a naive question you asked. Google and a search of this site will answer all your uninformed question.