Suthep calls on supporters to besiege ministries, city halls

[Spare]

Suthep is becoming the new Nelson Mandala.

[recycler]

Why not take the airport?

[animatic]

This madman's rhetoric just continues to go over the top. Wish the police would get on with it, arrest him, and get him to somewhere where he will stop whipping the masses to a frenzy. Reminds me of old movies of Hitler's speeches to the masses of Berlin.

Yeah rhetoric like this makes me feel...

"He also urged the people to root out corruption and get rid of all those who profited from it.

He said,

Thailand required true decentralisation of power,

with elected not appointed governors in each province;

a reformed police force;

and civil servants who had some morals. "

...euphoric.

Damn him for spouting logical rhetoric.

How dare he.

[hawthorne]

This is sad to see. The country can never rebuild and let its citizens move on without political renegades destroying public and private property in the name of democracy. That is clearly criminal behavior and the leaders of any party that incites it's people to cause harm to others should be held accountable and face imprisonment for crimes committed.

Edited November 27, 2013 by hawthorne

[animatic]

The madman should start with his own party when it comes to rooting out corruption, he is a joke!

What does corruption have to do with court rulings?

Got any examples of "his own party" rejecting court ruling?

Did you realize he no longer is part of the party?

He hasn't quit the party, he just quit his post as an MP.

[khunsiam]

I'm supprised no one has plugged this nut yet

RT@แก้วมาลา Kaewmala@Thai_Talk: Abhisit distances self & DemParty from Suthep, saying S has gone "beyond the goal". Told Dem MPs not to violate law. khaosod.co.th/view_newsonlin…

To me this says the same as, you can have him.

Don't be silly. this is exactly why Suthep stepped down and no current Dem MP's are seen on the grounds of the government buildings. They resigned with the party's approval to make sure that the entire party could not be dissolved due to the actions that they knew were forthcoming.

you mean that Abhisit is telling a "white" lie?

[PeterSmiles]

Why not take the airport?

Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

[animatic]

I'm supprised no one has plugged this nut yet

RT@แก้วมาลา Kaewmala@Thai_Talk: Abhisit distances self & DemParty from Suthep, saying S has gone "beyond the goal". Told Dem MPs not to violate law. khaosod.co.th/view_newsonlin…

To me this says the same as, you can have him.

Don't be silly. this is exactly why Suthep stepped down and no current Dem MP's are seen on the grounds of the government buildings. They resigned with the party's approval to make sure that the entire party could not be dissolved due to the actions that they knew were forthcoming.

Plus a bit of good cop bad cop division of risk and labor.

Suthep has always been the enforcer, like Chalerm, but sober and actually more rational.

Sure he is the Surat Thani godfather, but he also gets things done for his province, and others.

in thew 2005 floods Thaksin blew off the whole province during a disaster for not voting for him.

Once in office post coup, the flood problems in Surat Thani started getting addressed properly.

Not completely, but also not shoved under the rug as vengance.

[Robby nz]

Seems they are now on their way to Chang Wattana road and the DSI office, reported in news :

BANGKOK: -- DSI chief Tarit Pengdith on Wednesday made an urgent order for officials to prepare to leave the DSI buildings and to move important documents and case files to safer places as the anti-government protesters were marching to his office on Chaeng Wattana Road.

Tarit said that he already assigned his official to negotiate with the protesters. However if it does not work out, the DSI will not confront with the protesters but will move officials to other location. He said he has yet to designate the location.

Police have also been deployed to guard the premises, he said.

Tarit gave the interview before leaving the office.

Looks like Tarit has the same intestinal fortitude as his boss.

[easybullet3]

This madman's rhetoric just continues to go over the top. Wish the police would get on with it, arrest him, and get him to somewhere where he will stop whipping the masses to a frenzy. Reminds me of old movies of Hitler's speeches to the masses of Berlin.

yes,, he is doing a similar job,, but why are you putting him down? are you saying that this country was fine how it was?

as if a democratic election will do anything?? (the votes are PAID FOR!!!) so there is no democracy from the word 'go'.

we all know how corrupt and what a thief Thaksin was. so whats wrong with getting rid of his selfish family ?

do you know of any other way (in Thailand)?

please dont bother saying that there should be elections... coz the votes are paid for. so its NOT an answer.

[PhilipCook]

Occupy Pak Tai

Edited November 27, 2013 by PhilipCook

[spermwhale]

I supported his calls for protest when it was about the amnesty bill, but no more, especially after the storming of government offices. Once again a protest leader got what he wanted here in Thailand and then upped the ante to outrageous demands. The red shirts did the same thing. I don't understand this and it seems to be a Thai sickness and it's so childish.

Now once again, thanks to this A88hole the nation is on the brink.

That old saying, give them an inch and they take a mile sure applies here.

[spermwhale]

The one thing that Suthep is advocating is essentially a scaling back of democracy. He does not believe the poor people here have a right to vote and that the Phu Yai in Bangkok know what's best for the "little people."

While I really dislike this current puppet government what Suthep is offering is no better.

Edited November 27, 2013 by spermwhale

[jes]

Lock up this mad man and his gang. Suthep Thaugsuban and his bandits should stop call themselves something they are not. Democrats. What they're doing is not very democratic. Mourn their distress and calling on the military to help dissolve the government. It is fair to disagree with a government. But the current government is elected legally. If Suthep Thaugsuban and his bandits want to somebody else in power, they must earn it. Earn it by getting the Thai people’s confidence. They must go out to talk to the Thai people in urban and rural areas, all over Thailand and make them believe in them. What they're doing now will not bring them to power fairly. They do not get the votes they need to win the next election, by acting like “Fawlty Towers”. Buying votes!! They all did that during the last election. I saw it myself in Udon.

Edited November 27, 2013 by metisdead
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[h90]

The one thing that Suthep is advocating is essentially a scaling back of democracy. He does not believe the poor people here have a right to vote and that the Phu Yai in Bangkok know what's best for the "little people."

While I really dislike this current puppet government what Suthep is offering is no better.

Actually exactly the opposite, Suthep want to bring back democracy to Thailand and never heard a word that poor people shouldn't have the right to vote. And the best example for Phu Yai who goes over the people is Thaksin not Suthep.

And almost everything from Kermit the Frog to a Military Dictator is better than the current government. I can't imagine anyone making a worse job.

[billd766]

This is sad to see. The country can never rebuild and let its citizens move on without political renegades destroying public and private property in the name of democracy. That is clearly criminal behavior and the leaders of any party that incites it's people to cause harm to others should be held accountable and face imprisonment for crimes committed.

Thats what was happening in 2010 by the Red Shirts.

All of them deny responsibility for everything and some are even ministers in the current PTP government.

Tough punishment for them.

[h90]

Lock up this mad man and his gang. Suthep Thaugsuban and his bandits should stop call themselves something they are not. Democrats. What they're doing is not very democratic. Mourn their distress and calling on the military to help dissolve the government. It is fair to disagree with a government. But the current government is elected legally. If Suthep Thaugsuban and his bandits want to somebody else in power, they must earn it. Earn it by getting the Thai people’s confidence. They must go out to talk to the Thai people in urban and rural areas, all over Thailand and make them believe in them. What they're doing now will not bring them to power fairly. They do not get the votes they need to win the next election, by acting like “Fawlty Towers”. Buying votes!! They all did that during the last election. I saw it myself in Udon.

It is discussed to dead....

1 ) PTP won with massive vote buying

2 ) Even if you win a democratic election you are not allowed to abolish democracy by destroying the checks and balances and by dismantle the separation of power by concentrating everything in your hand. Only in a dictatorship the government has direct control over police and courts.

[mca]

PTP won with massive vote buying

I always wondered why we never heard a peep out of the Dems regarding this. I mean, if Yingluck so much as did a silent but deadly fart they'd be looking for a PTP dissolution.

[jdinasia]

I'm supprised no one has plugged this nut yet

RT@แก้วมาลา Kaewmala@Thai_Talk: Abhisit distances self & DemParty from Suthep, saying S has gone "beyond the goal". Told Dem MPs not to violate law. khaosod.co.th/view_newsonlin…

To me this says the same as, you can have him.

Don't be silly. this is exactly why Suthep stepped down and no current Dem MP's are seen on the grounds of the government buildings. They resigned with the party's approval to make sure that the entire party could not be dissolved due to the actions that they knew were forthcoming.

So the Democrat party publicly distancing itself from their former deputy leader is also part of the game ? I wouldn't think that is necessary to play it safe.

Maybe you overlooked the crucial part in the statement, which was " he has gone beyond the goal " .

I know that critical thinking is not directly taught in schools ... but let me try again and help. The Dem's themselves cannot be seen to directly advocate or participate in these events as it could mean that the party may be subject to dissolution.

to state that a non (or former if you prefer) dem has "gone beyond the script" allows for plausible deniability for those that stay active in the party. They can sit back and say "We only intended to hold the rally and educate/inform voters, what Suthep has done is more than we planned" .... and who can prove otherwise?

When you hear vocal demands that he cease and desist coming from the Dems ... then you may have a statement of outright condemnation (depending on how it is worded.)

[PeterSmiles]

So the Democrat party publicly distancing itself from their former deputy leader is also part of the game ? I wouldn't think that is necessary to play it safe.

Maybe you overlooked the crucial part in the statement, which was " he has gone beyond the goal " .

I know that critical thinking is not directly taught in schools ... but let me try again and help. The Dem's themselves cannot be seen to directly advocate or participate in these events as it could mean that the party may be subject to dissolution.

to state that a non (or former if you prefer) dem has "gone beyond the script" allows for plausible deniability for those that stay active in the party. They can sit back and say "We only intended to hold the rally and educate/inform voters, what Suthep has done is more than we planned" .... and who can prove otherwise?

When you hear vocal demands that he cease and desist coming from the Dems ... then you may have a statement of outright condemnation (depending on how it is worded.)

Well I know you are way smarter than me or anyone else on this forum, but what you say now is that ex- Democrat party member Suthep and a few other ex- Democrat MP's who have no links to the Democrats since they are EX members of the party, start a demonstration.

Yet the Democrat party, who has nothing to do with the protests since no member of their party is involved, has to condemn the actions of their EX member to show their non involvement.

I'm glad that they didn't teach me such thinking in the school.

[jdinasia]

You made at least one correct assertion in your statement PS

[Dap]

I'm supprised no one has plugged this nut yet

Patience ... it's a looong queue

[Spare]

The one thing that Suthep is advocating is essentially a scaling back of democracy. He does not believe the poor people here have a right to vote and that the Phu Yai in Bangkok know what's best for the "little people."

While I really dislike this current puppet government what Suthep is offering is no better.

Actually exactly the opposite, Suthep want to bring back democracy to Thailand and never heard a word that poor people shouldn't have the right to vote. And the best example for Phu Yai who goes over the people is Thaksin not Suthep.

And almost everything from Kermit the Frog to a Military Dictator is better than the current government. I can't imagine anyone making a worse job.

Suthep solution is to stop all government, and set up a People's Council.

Suthep already said he will be not be a PM.

Although he did not say if he will be the Secretary General of the People Council.

[khunsiam]

The one thing that Suthep is advocating is essentially a scaling back of democracy. He does not believe the poor people here have a right to vote and that the Phu Yai in Bangkok know what's best for the "little people."

While I really dislike this current puppet government what Suthep is offering is no better.

Actually exactly the opposite, Suthep want to bring back democracy to Thailand and never heard a word that poor people shouldn't have the right to vote. And the best example for Phu Yai who goes over the people is Thaksin not Suthep.

And almost everything from Kermit the Frog to a Military Dictator is better than the current government. I can't imagine anyone making a worse job.

Suthep solution is to stop all government, and set up a People's Council.

Suthep already said he will be not be a PM.

Although he did not say if he will be the Secretary General of the People Council.

the People's counsel is Chamlong's idea.

[Evolare]

PTP won with massive vote buying

I always wondered why we never heard a peep out of the Dems regarding this. I mean, if Yingluck so much as did a silent but deadly fart they'd be looking for a PTP dissolution.

I can come to think of one reason you didnt hear about it...you probably didnt read the news when it happend or maybe it was lost in translation. I remeber it like yesterday. Just as the election was done it was clear PTP did not have own majority so to form government so they "bought of" other minors parties to get majority and be able to form government.

And for others comparing Suthep with Jatuporn are not really up to par with current events how is burn the country, and kill all on me, compared to a non violence demonstration and siege. Bare in mind the 2010 redshirt riots was a minor collection of 10-30.000 (dont remember the numbers) people being paid to demonstrate in one location. Now we have millions all over the country that are just feed up most that havent demonstrated before.

Most of my friends here are thai some of my neighbour's used to be redshirts...they have burned those redshirts and are now wearing black. Think a little before you speak.

And if you guys dont know what is unconstitutional about a government rejecting a ruling from constitution court maybe you should read up on Democratic Principles.

Peace out!

[Spare]

PTP won with massive vote buying

I always wondered why we never heard a peep out of the Dems regarding this. I mean, if Yingluck so much as did a silent but deadly fart they'd be looking for a PTP dissolution.

I can come to think of one reason you didnt hear about it...you probably didnt read the news when it happend or maybe it was lost in translation. I remeber it like yesterday. Just as the election was done it was clear PTP did not have own majority so to form government so they "bought of" other minors parties to get majority and be able to form government.

And for others comparing Suthep with Jatuporn are not really up to par with current events how is burn the country, and kill all on me, compared to a non violence demonstration and siege. Bare in mind the 2010 redshirt riots was a minor collection of 10-30.000 (dont remember the numbers) people being paid to demonstrate in one location. Now we have millions all over the country that are just feed up most that havent demonstrated before.

Most of my friends here are thai some of my neighbour's used to be redshirts...they have burned those redshirts and are now wearing black. Think a little before you speak.

And if you guys dont know what is unconstitutional about a government rejecting a ruling from constitution court maybe you should read up on Democratic Principles.

Peace out!

Suthep did it for all Thai people.

Jatuporn did it for Thaksin.

[animatic]

This is not just Bangkok elites rabble rousing,

but Bangkok middle class, and their families back home, and many more,

who have finally become fed up with the PTP over reaching and lies.

And a mass of the unpaid rice farmers and their children working in other towns.

All utterly fed up with bald faced lies to their faces and not getting paid while their local puyais still get their shares.

There was needed something to strike the match to already simmering discontent.

PTP went way to far, and 80% against public opinion, with the 4am amnesty bill,

and the lies, brought to light by the Constitution Court, to put it on the table.

Then right after as it was still going down in flames took a stab at garnishing 2.2 TRILLION baht in loans.

Just about the right amount to buy the next election if it comes too soon,

but earmarked for the rice farmers... as it they will ever see it.

At the very most, 100,000 were at Red Shirt Central 2010,

but if they have 4,000 in the stadium today I'd be be surprised.

And yet the police blocking the routes north from the south with tank trucks,

and tire shredding triangles, shows their fear as right now there is the

LARGEST ever rally in downtown Bangkok,

and showing a grim faced, not ebullient, group of obviously middle class Thais,

no madness, no insane faces laughing for cameras.

A serious group listening to speeches,and lending their physical presence

to make a VERY large statement of intent. Even as this has grown beyond the

Anmest bill issues, the over-reaching by the Shin-Clan has created an

anger-driven movement all on it's own, one that is NOT abating but actually growing the crowd.

Regardless of over the top rhetoric on stages, or competing potential visions

of governance beyond the immediate goal, there are no calls for destruction, just occupations,

Wit specific instructions to not damage ministries or steal anything.

When reads went to ministries there was destruction and beatings and mayhem.

This is a very different feeling mass rally.

Suthep has never directed a secretive group to take out army leaders in the field,

there is no reason as sane sniper will take him out, and besides, that is one of the few acts

that WOULD cause 1 million plus people to be come utterly enraged.

Yingluck is progressively being backed into a corner, no matter her protestations,

and despite denials of reality via legal manoeuvres, the writing is smudged but on the wall,

Edited November 27, 2013 by animatic

[Spare]

This is not just Bangkok elites rabble rousing,

but Bangkok middle class, and their families back home, and many more,

who have finally become fed up with the PTP over reaching and lies.

And a mass of the unpaid rice farmers and their children working in other towns.

All utterly fed up with bald faced lies to their faces and not getting paid while their local puyais still get their shares.

There was needed something to strike the match to already simmering discontent.

PTP went way to far, and 80% against public opinion, with the 4am amnesty bill,

and the lies, brought to light by the Constitution Court, to put it on the table.

Then right after as it was still going down in flames took a stab at garnishing 2.2 TRILLION baht in loans.

Just about the right amount to buy the next election if it comes too soon,

but earmarked for the rice farmers... as it they will ever see it.

At the very most, 100,000 were at Red Shirt Central 2010,

but if they have 4,000 in the stadium today I'd be be surprised.

And yet the police blocking the routes north from the south with tank trucks,

and tire shredding triangles, shows their fear as right now there is the

LARGEST ever rally in downtown Bangkok,

and showing a grim faced, not ebullient, group of obviously middle class Thais,

no madness, no insane faces laughing for cameras.

A serious group listening to speeches,and lending their physical presence

to make a VERY large statement of intent. Even as this has grown beyond the

Anmest bill issues, the over-reaching by the Shin-Clan has created an

anger-driven movement all on it's own, one that is NOT abating but actually growing the crowd.

Regardless of over the top rhetoric on stages, or competing potential visions

of governance beyond the immediate goal, there are no calls for destruction, just occupations,

Wit specific instructions to not damage ministries or steal anything.

When reads went to ministries there was destruction and beatings and mayhem.

This is a very different feeling mass rally.

Suthep has never directed a secretive group to take out army leaders in the field,

there is no reason as sane sniper will take him out, and besides, that is one of the few acts

that WOULD cause 1 million plus people to be come utterly enraged.

Yingluck is progressively being backed into a corner, no matter her protestations,

and despite denials of reality via legal manoeuvres, the writing is smudged but on the wall,

If, just if, Suthep is taken out by an unknow sniper (like Saeh Daeng, maybe by the same sniper too).

Would you think the sniper is funded by Thaksin? Or the Red Shirt?

[airconsult]

PTP won with massive vote buying

 

I always wondered why we never heard a peep out of the Dems regarding this. I mean, if Yingluck so much as did a silent but deadly fart they'd be looking for a PTP dissolution.

I can come to think of one reason you didnt hear about it...you probably didnt read the news when it happend or maybe it was lost in translation. I remeber it like yesterday. Just as the election was done it was clear PTP did not have own majority so to form government so they "bought of" other minors parties to get majority and be able to form government.

And for others comparing Suthep with Jatuporn are not really up to par with current events how is burn the country, and kill all on me, compared to a non violence demonstration and siege. Bare in mind the 2010 redshirt riots was a minor collection of 10-30.000 (dont remember the numbers) people being paid to demonstrate in one location. Now we have millions all over the country that are just feed up most that havent demonstrated before.

Most of my friends here are thai some of my neighbour's used to be redshirts...they have burned those redshirts and are now wearing black. Think a little before you speak.

And if you guys dont know what is unconstitutional about a government rejecting a ruling from constitution court maybe you should read up on Democratic Principles.

Peace out!

Two points.

Ptp had a majority in parliament after the election. However, as ministers cannot vote on anything that concerns their ministry, and a few (like chalerm) love the immunity, it was more secure majority to have coalition partners.

Second.

Read the constitution in thai carefully... then read it again noting where it uses the terms bill and amendment. The sections which the constitution court referred to use only the term bill, not amendment. In other sections it uses both terms - clearly the writers considered a difference. There is a very valid question over whether the ruling is correct or not.

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[airconsult]

This is not just Bangkok elites rabble rousing,

but Bangkok middle class, and their families back home, and many more,

who have finally become fed up with the PTP over reaching and lies.

 

And a mass of the unpaid rice farmers and their children working in other towns.

All utterly fed up with bald faced lies to their faces and not getting paid while their local puyais still get their shares.

 

There was needed something to strike the match to already simmering discontent.

PTP went way to far, and 80% against public opinion, with the 4am amnesty bill,

and the lies, brought to light by the Constitution Court, to put it on the table.

 

Then  right after as it was still going down in flames took a stab at garnishing 2.2 TRILLION baht in loans.

Just about the right amount to buy the next election if it comes too soon,

but earmarked for the rice farmers... as it they will ever see it.

 

At the very most, 100,000 were at Red Shirt Central 2010,

but if they have 4,000 in the stadium today I'd be be surprised.

 

And yet the police blocking the routes north from the south with tank trucks,

and tire shredding triangles, shows their fear as right now there is the

LARGEST ever rally in downtown Bangkok,

and showing a grim faced, not ebullient, group of obviously middle class Thais, 

no madness, no insane faces laughing for cameras.

 

A serious group listening to speeches,and lending their physical presence

to make a VERY large statement of intent. Even as this has grown beyond the

Anmest bill issues, the over-reaching by the Shin-Clan has created an

anger-driven movement all on it's own, one that is NOT abating but actually growing the crowd.

 

Regardless of over the top rhetoric on stages, or competing potential visions

of governance beyond the immediate goal, there are no calls for destruction, just occupations,

Wit specific instructions to not damage ministries or steal anything.

When reads went to ministries there was destruction and beatings and mayhem.

This is a very different feeling mass rally. 

 

Suthep has never directed a secretive group to take out army leaders in the field,

there is no reason as sane sniper will take him out, and besides, that is one of the few acts

that WOULD cause 1 million plus people to be come utterly enraged.

 

Yingluck is progressively being backed into a corner, no matter her protestations,

and despite denials of reality via legal manoeuvres, the writing is smudged but on the wall,

 

 

If, just if, Suthep is taken out by an unknow sniper (like Saeh Daeng, maybe by the same sniper too).

Would you think the sniper is funded by Thaksin? Or the Red Shirt?

I would think it was supported by the same person who was embarassed by sondhi's grumbling to foreign newspapers and attempted his.... removal.

But for other reasons than political, that's unlikely now.

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