Bangkok overrun by huge protest

[Hawkman]

Having FAILED to remove the govt by any of his moving feasts of final, absolute deadlines, he is now ThREATENING those who do wish to participate in the democratic process. What a sad and sorry excuse for someone meant to be serving the interests of the people ( corruption, insurrection and murder charges notwithstanding).

Yesterday's rally was a major flop for Suthep . It achieved nothing, so now he reverts to the previous policy of intimidation and implied violence. I wouldn't trust this guy for a second

So you think Yingluck has more credibility ...

How many promises has she completed?

Additionally, I am not a big beliver on the elections here in Thailand, it's widely known how the red buying votes...

But even the poor rice farmers also been cheated of the promised money, so the dissatisfaction is increasing even among them.

So, let's theorize, suppose there is no vote buying, which party will win the elections then?

DEM for sure.

Justification from last election:

PT get 15 millions vote = 7.5 real votes + 7.5 bought votes (my estimates of 50:50)

DEM get 11 million vote = 11 real votes.

Problem is I think the Dems/Suthep and the Yellows have shot themselves in the foot. By going too far with their demands and refusing the polls (yes I agree there needs to be reform as you can't let a Government do what this one has done) they could be making a fatal error.

There are many Dem/Yellow supporters who didn't vote last time and there are many Neutrals that don't give one monkey's about politics who probably would have voted now to get this Government out. They might just win for once.

The amnesty bill caused many Neutrals to turn against the Government and the Dems/Yellows could have taken advantage of that. But I feel Suthep has not helped matters for those who just want all these protests to stop even though they want YL and co out.

There does need to be reform and it does need Suthep and Taksin and co to remove themselves from Politics - then the healing can start.

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""Whoever wants to go inside to register will have to pass through us," he said.

"If we do not hold the country by February 2, we will shut the country down. No one will go to vote," he added."

Did Suthep really say this? I know the APP seems to take a pro govt line in most of its stories, but they don't make stuff up. Suthep's authoritarian, PT like attitude of "my way is the only way" is getting worse. Man's barking mad and gorged on power, dangerous combination. He will be no better than PT and their red stormtroopers if he carries out these threats.

Whatever you think of Suthep, and I am by no means a fan, the insanity of the PTP being allowed to continue plundering this country unabated would have continued as no one else stepped up to the plate with as much passion (Abhisit? ) to stop them.

[dru2]

Bangkok Post said the security officials have estimated 270,000, and we all know being in the control of the government that the quote will be definitely played down.

So was it the big million + ??

Possibly.

Ok, one report say ten's of thousands, another report say's at least 150,000 thousand, but didn't Suthep say he would get 1.7 - 2.3 million???

and your asking "SO was it the big million+?"

and Y/L got seven protestors blowing whistle's,,, the numbers speak for themselves mate. The people of Thailand are against you.

The thing is, you're not really in Aussie in Thailand but an Aussie in Isaan.

[binjalin]

Having FAILED to remove the govt by any of his moving feasts of final, absolute deadlines, he is now ThREATENING those who do wish to participate in the democratic process. What a sad and sorry excuse for someone meant to be serving the interests of the people ( corruption, insurrection and murder charges notwithstanding).

Yesterday's rally was a major flop for Suthep . It achieved nothing, so now he reverts to the previous policy of intimidation and implied violence. I wouldn't trust this guy for a second

So you think Yingluck has more credibility ...

How many promises has she completed?

Additionally, I am not a big beliver on the elections here in Thailand, it's widely known how the red buying votes...

But even the poor rice farmers also been cheated of the promised money, so the dissatisfaction is increasing even among them.

So, let's theorize, suppose there is no vote buying, which party will win the elections then?

DEM for sure.

Justification from last election:

PT get 15 millions vote = 7.5 real votes + 7.5 bought votes (my estimates of 50:50)

DEM get 11 million vote = 11 real votes.

well it made me chuckle must be a troll

Some assumptions:

1. no Dems bought votes
2. 50% PTP votes were bought and supervised to ensure they voted that way (which never happens - they take the money and vote how they want in reality)

PTP happy to allow international monitors at elections and Suthep's comments on Election Observers?

Thai deputy PM Suthep: "I don't respect 'farangs'. We do not have to surrender to them"

[gerry1011]

Having FAILED to remove the govt by any of his moving feasts of final, absolute deadlines, he is now ThREATENING those who do wish to participate in the democratic process. What a sad and sorry excuse for someone meant to be serving the interests of the people ( corruption, insurrection and murder charges notwithstanding).

Yesterday's rally was a major flop for Suthep . It achieved nothing, so now he reverts to the previous policy of intimidation and implied violence. I wouldn't trust this guy for a second

So you think Yingluck has more credibility ...

How many promises has she completed?

Additionally, I am not a big beliver on the elections here in Thailand, it's widely known how the red buying votes...

But even the poor rice farmers also been cheated of the promised money, so the dissatisfaction is increasing even among them.

So, let's theorize, suppose there is no vote buying, which party will win the elections then?

PT...

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[Spare]

Here we go again!! Another thread where posters are fighting each other about who are "the rightest of the right". Most of them sadly with limited knowledge of Thai society as a whole and even less when it comes to politics!! But good entertainment!!

May I suggest a solution to the political divide:

marieantoinetteexecute-a8b7aa02f3a17f0904724853bbfc83dc2b9c738a-s6-c30.jpg

Bye bye amart!!

Be careful what you post. You may be charged with LM under 112, and sent to 5 years in jail per post.

The picture you post is the beheaded of Marie Antoinette Queen of France and of Navarre.

[AleG]

Why is Yingluck canvassing in Issan? She has their votes already? Or is this just PR/hiding from Bangkok?

Crosses my mind that the only way another interim government can be brought in to replace the YL government is if the military step in. Then a new government can make amendments before new elections. Maybe this is what Suthep is pushing for? Now you may or may not call this a coup!

Yingluck running to the North when things get too hot for her... hmmm, rings a bell, flashback from March 2006:

Thaksin Flees The Capital ... And Reality

In the provinces he can cling to his heroic vision of himself as indispensable to the country.

Over the past several days he has visited Chiang Mai, Khon Kaen and Nakhon Ratchasima to hear thousands of people cheering and greeting him.

On Sunday evening, as the anti-Thaksin rally moved from Sanam Luang along Rajdamnoen Road to Government House, Thaksin swiftly changed his schedule.

After meeting thousands of supporters in Khon Kaen earlier that day he decided to spend the night in the province rather than return to Bangkok, as earlier planned.

We can see what progress successive iterations of Thaksin governments have brought to the country.

[PaulHamon]

overrun. rubbish.

[aussieinthailand]

Bangkok Post said the security officials have estimated 270,000, and we all know being in the control of the government that the quote will be definitely played down.

So was it the big million + ??

Possibly.

Ok, one report say ten's of thousands, another report say's at least 150,000 thousand, but didn't Suthep say he would get 1.7 - 2.3 million???

and your asking "SO was it the big million+?"

and Y/L got seven protestors blowing whistle's,,, the numbers speak for themselves mate. The people of Thailand are against you.

The thing is, you're not really in Aussie in Thailand but an Aussie in Isaan.

Err, no you wrong, but no surprise there, I live south of BKK so now what have you got?

[dru2]

Bangkok Post said the security officials have estimated 270,000, and we all know being in the control of the government that the quote will be definitely played down.

So was it the big million + ??

Possibly.

Ok, one report say ten's of thousands, another report say's at least 150,000 thousand, but didn't Suthep say he would get 1.7 - 2.3 million???

and your asking "SO was it the big million+?"

and Y/L got seven protestors blowing whistle's,,, the numbers speak for themselves mate. The people of Thailand are against you.

The thing is, you're not really in Aussie in Thailand but an Aussie in Isaan.

Err, no you wrong, but no surprise there, I live south of BKK so now what have you got?

A clear apology.

[PREM-R]

DEM for sure.

Justification from last election:

PT get 15 millions vote = 7.5 real votes + 7.5 bought votes (my estimates of 50:50)

DEM get 11 million vote = 11 real votes.

So can you provide a link to any information that suggests that only 50% of PTP votes are 'real'? On what basis do you make your estimate? How many times do you have to be told that it is the DEMS THAT BUY VOTES!!!

Once again for those who WILL NOT see:

Deputy Democrat party leader Alongkorn Ponlaboot in an interview that was broadcast on May 31, 2013 on John Winyu’s show (****Thai language removed****) stated:

“Recently, if we speak directly, they [Puea Thai] use little money. I am not saying we [the Democrats] use more money than them [Puea Thai]. [host interprets with statement "they are using less money"]. It has become inverted [host interprets and says "They don't need to use so much money?"] I say if it is like that then don’t say we lost because of money”. “For the last election, it may be because we actually used more than them. Therefore, don’t talk about this issue anymore."

You may have some fantasy of a non-democratic, Amart run Thailand but be careful what you wish for, one of the "good people" that Kim Su Thep will be inviting into the unelected 'government' will be Chamlong Srimuang and his dream is to see the implementation of a budhist equivalent of sharia law. As I say, be careful what you wish for.

[prakhonchai nick]

""Whoever wants to go inside to register will have to pass through us," he said.

"If we do not hold the country by February 2, we will shut the country down. No one will go to vote," he added."

Did Suthep really say this? I know the APP seems to take a pro govt line in most of its stories, but they don't make stuff up. Suthep's authoritarian, PT like attitude of "my way is the only way" is getting worse. Man's barking mad and gorged on power, dangerous combination. He will be no better than PT and their red stormtroopers if he carries out these threats.

Suthep is acting very foolishly. The problem is that as everybody knows, Thailand's future hinges on the reaching, or just approaching, a nexus-point of consensus between rich/poor urban/rural. Problem number two, this is the bigger problem, and the one which Suthep's mad scheme totally does not factor in, is that the rural majority want democratic votes, they are the majority and also the serf class and so they feel that having their votes respected is very important. Suthep overturning the elected Govt and essentially spitting on all those casted votes, is going to cause immensely bad feelings around the nation.

On a practical level, yes Yingluck is no good, yes Thaksin should face additional massmurder charges for the 2500 deaths he ordered, and his nepotistic plundering of the State Fund, there is no dispute from me. But what was good is that PTP were voted for, got into power, and so their supporters put down the pitchforks and said "ok we've got our electoral rights now" etc. And they then started gradually criticising their own PTP members for failing, which is totally natural healthy democracy, and heading in the right direction. Suthep derailed that slow but natural process. The rural / poor thinking that it was great they had got Government's ear, but they didn't like their leadership, for failing to improve infrastructure etc. So they would put more internal pressure on PTP to act like a political party not just insurgents. This is very slow process. Meantime, Dems were gaining popularity also from the PTP failing.

The problems can all be solved without any of the Suthep stuff.

Re; Yingluck abuse of the policy-making machinery, can all be solved by Parliamentary reform, Parliament as a concept is a fluid system which invites augmentation to "get around" nation-specific difficulties, overhauling the mechanisms relating to the power balance of the various parties, their floor-time, and also the policy queueing system of which needs to be regulated by an external body. Thaksin passport issue should never reach the debate floor, especially during flood crisis as it did, that is just ridiculous. This can be solved by strictly regulating policy-submission and queueing. Those reforms take a long time, it also takes a long time for radical new parties such as PTP to settle into more progressive models. Especially as they began as a hero-worship cult. But you have to work with the materials you've got.

However, to scrap the whole process above, and just say "your votes don't matter" (paraphrasing Suthep's conceptual Assembly idea) is inviting disaster. I hope to be proved wrong on all this.

edit: mister coffee & typos

Maybe the rural voters -the serfs as you call them - do want to vote. but far too many of them are "obliged" to vote for PTP, because they are told they must do so having accepted around 500baht each from the village honchos. That is where the main problem lies.

If these rural people -those that show any interest in politics -were free to vote how they want to, then I suspect the result would be somewhat different, to what can be expected in February (with or without the Democrats)

Why should Suthep and his tens of thousands of demonstrators agree to fresh elections when without political reform including severe punishment for those that buy votes, the country will just get more of the same corrupt politicians, all run by a proxy prime minister, with the main force remaining in Dubai!

[gbswales]

Bangkok Post said the security officials have estimated 270,000, and we all know being in the control of the government that the quote will be definitely played down.

So was it the big million + ??

Possibly.

Ok, one report say ten's of thousands, another report say's at least 150,000 thousand, but didn't Suthep say he would get 1.7 - 2.3 million???

and your asking "SO was it the big million+?"

and Y/L got seven protestors blowing whistle's,,, the numbers speak for themselves mate. The people of Thailand are against you.

The thing is, you're not really in Aussie in Thailand but an Aussie in Isaan.

Since when is Isaan not a part of Thailand or is that one of the proposed political reforms - get rid of all the poor provinces?

To argue corruption as a reason to bring down a government in Thailand was a joke back in 2006 and is no less a joke today with an unconvicted criminal leading the opposition - Suthep needs to take power because it is now the only thing that can keep him out of jail or exile.

Protestors are determined it seems to rip the heart out of the country destroying investment, tourism and ordinary peoples lives

[HerIndoors]

Hmmm ...methinks the <deleted> is about to hit the fan. 20 years ago, the rural poor would have tugged their forlocks or high wai'd those in Bangkok..after all, they know their place in Thai society. But now, with social media and some understanding of what is happening around the world, I am not sure that they will bend over and quietly take it up the &!^#. How many times must they have their vote taken off them? I am no Thaksin lover..PT is corrupt to the core as is so much of Thai politics and business. I believe we are in the midst of a coup...but a quiet one.... Suthep must have some powerful backing to go on the way he is. Thailand does not have a true democracy and the way it is going probably never will be able to develop one.

As I said in another post... it is their country to stuff up as they see fit.

[chrisrazz]

So why then, if the protest is representative of 'the people' do the dems not wish this claim tested at the polls? Why then the continuation of threats to derail elections?

[prakhonchai nick]

Since when is Isaan not a part of Thailand or is that one of the proposed political reforms - get rid of all the poor provinces?

To argue corruption as a reason to bring down a government in Thailand was a joke back in 2006 and is no less a joke today with an unconvicted criminal leading the opposition - Suthep needs to take power because it is now the only thing that can keep him out of jail or exile.

Protestors are determined it seems to rip the heart out of the country destroying investment, tourism and ordinary peoples lives

What choice do the protestors have when her ladyship and big brother refuse to allow the people to have a respectable country to call home, devoid of corruption and vote buying, which just provides lifelong employment to the same corrupt politicians.

[Ricardo]

Here we go again!! Another thread where posters are fighting each other about who are "the rightest of the right". Most of them sadly with limited knowledge of Thai society as a whole and even less when it comes to politics!! But good entertainment!!

May I suggest a solution to the political divide:

marieantoinetteexecute-a8b7aa02f3a17f0904724853bbfc83dc2b9c738a-s6-c30.jpg

Bye bye amart!!

With former-DPM/current-Labour Minister Chalerm due to test the mechanism, in just 8 days' time !

Hurry Up, chop chop !

[chooka]

Bangkok Post said the security officials have estimated 270,000, and we all know being in the control of the government that the quote will be definitely played down.

So was it the big million + ??

Possibly.

Australia television news reporting up to 120,000 protestors spread across Bangkok. A drop in the ocean against the total Thai population and a complete failure for Suthep.

[aechzen]

please protest at the airport !!

[Baerboxer]

Having FAILED to remove the govt by any of his moving feasts of final, absolute deadlines, he is now ThREATENING those who do wish to participate in the democratic process. What a sad and sorry excuse for someone meant to be serving the interests of the people ( corruption, insurrection and murder charges notwithstanding).

Yesterday's rally was a major flop for Suthep . It achieved nothing, so now he reverts to the previous policy of intimidation and implied violence. I wouldn't trust this guy for a second

You claimed yesterday that "only a few hundred" turned up to protest!

Keep the propaganda coming - you're the best laugh of all the pro PTP posters !

Let's see. Whitewash of crooks - stopped (well, at least for now). Attempt at rigging senate - stopped. 2,2 trillion loan - stopped. 350 million water management "fund" - tied up for now. House dissolved. Yingluck running away from Bangkok. Lot's of failures there then.

Wake up and smell the coffee - these mass turnouts are to get rid of the corrupt gang that's been trying to create a one family dictatorship whilst pilfering the country blind. They aren't all Suthep or Democrat fans - but they all want Thaksin and his puppets out for good.

[123thaibourbon]

back in the day, the Army did not tolerate such monkeyshines in G.T.M. SEA People Power & Arab Spring have really turned the tables.. Thailand on the 'Eve of (self) Destruction' Instant Karma~http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hxeP52dWTg

[Baerboxer]

Bangkok Post said the security officials have estimated 270,000, and we all know being in the control of the government that the quote will be definitely played down.

So was it the big million + ??

Possibly.

Australia television news reporting up to 120,000 protestors spread across Bangkok. A drop in the ocean against the total Thai population and a complete failure for Suthep.

Which Thai caretaker government department did they get that figure from?

[Docno]

DEM for sure.

Justification from last election:

PT get 15 millions vote = 7.5 real votes + 7.5 bought votes (my estimates of 50:50)

DEM get 11 million vote = 11 real votes.

So can you provide a link to any information that suggests that only 50% of PTP votes are 'real'? On what basis do you make your estimate? How many times do you have to be told that it is the DEMS THAT BUY VOTES!!!

Once again for those who WILL NOT see:

Deputy Democrat party leader Alongkorn Ponlaboot in an interview that was broadcast on May 31, 2013 on John Winyu’s show (****Thai language removed****) stated:

“Recently, if we speak directly, they [Puea Thai] use little money. I am not saying we [the Democrats] use more money than them [Puea Thai]. [host interprets with statement "they are using less money"]. It has become inverted [host interprets and says "They don't need to use so much money?"] I say if it is like that then don’t say we lost because of money”. “For the last election, it may be because we actually used more than them. Therefore, don’t talk about this issue anymore."

You may have some fantasy of a non-democratic, Amart run Thailand but be careful what you wish for, one of the "good people" that Kim Su Thep will be inviting into the unelected 'government' will be Chamlong Srimuang and his dream is to see the implementation of a budhist equivalent of sharia law. As I say, be careful what you wish for.

Agree. In my gf's district in the last election, the Dems were also providing monetary incentives to vote. People here seem to think only the PTP does this. It's not the case. More important, if you have any contact with the North or Northeast, you will know that most people's support of Yingluck (or the opposition) goes to the heart. While a lot of posters seem to believe that people in the rural areas are ignorant country bumpkins (I don't), the one thing that's clear is that they are far less politically apathetic than most western voters. I don't like parties paying voters money any more than the rest of us here, but I see it more as an incentive to get people to the polling station, not to vote for a particular party. None of the Isaan people I know would switch votes/parties for bt500 (or whatever amount) ... at most, it would would get them down to the polling station. But, as mentioned, the Dems seemed to have being do this as well...

[Yunla]

Maybe the rural voters -the serfs as you call them - do want to vote. but far too many of them are "obliged" to vote for PTP, because they are told they must do so having accepted around 500baht each from the village honchos. That is where the main problem lies.

If these rural people -those that show any interest in politics -were free to vote how they want to, then I suspect the result would be somewhat different, to what can be expected in February (with or without the Democrats)

Why should Suthep and his tens of thousands of demonstrators agree to fresh elections when without political reform including severe punishment for those that buy votes, the country will just get more of the same corrupt politicians, all run by a proxy prime minister, with the main force remaining in Dubai!

Yes I don't see anyone as serfs personally, but it is hard to not see the impoverished and excluded underclass as anything but. I would count myself as a serf too.

Re; their voting habits, I feel that people being paid to vote might well have voted red anyway, or voted along family / tribal loyalties, which happens all around the world by the way. In the North of England, your family might throw you out into the street if you didn't vote Labour in the old days. Regardless of how the people vote, or how many votes are bought, that is not the problem - it would be the problem if this were an A+ highly regulated society with low corruption (if such a thing existed) then we could all be outraged about votebuying.

The problem, and the solution, lies in Parliament. Party X gets the most votes, by popular support + votebuying + media spin etc.etc. But under a much needed and FAR stricter Parliamentary system, Party X does not command the debate floor, does not command policy flow, at an unbalanced high rate. That way, the rural voters can vote-in their Party X, and feel happy they are being represented, then the issues can be debated in Parliament without Party X hijacking the Parliamentary process with quite frankly criminal endeavours. Really the work required is huge, starting in Parliament and then using that to implement infrastructure policies that benefit everyone, not just voters of Party XYZ.

But compared to the possibility of civil war, multi-generational repercussions, economic implosion, the process of re-tooling the current Parliamentary process is miniscule.

[wimpey1946]

Politic stinks, always

[Alwyn]

""Whoever wants to go inside to register will have to pass through us," he said.

"If we do not hold the country by February 2, we will shut the country down. No one will go to vote," he added."

Did Suthep really say this? I know the APP seems to take a pro govt line in most of its stories, but they don't make stuff up. Suthep's authoritarian, PT like attitude of "my way is the only way" is getting worse. Man's barking mad and gorged on power, dangerous combination. He will be no better than PT and their red stormtroopers if he carries out these threats.

Suthep is acting very foolishly. The problem is that as everybody knows, Thailand's future hinges on the reaching, or just approaching, a nexus-point of consensus between rich/poor urban/rural. Problem number two, this is the bigger problem, and the one which Suthep's mad scheme totally does not factor in, is that the rural majority want democratic votes, they are the majority and also the serf class and so they feel that having their votes respected is very important. Suthep overturning the elected Govt and essentially spitting on all those casted votes, is going to cause immensely bad feelings around the nation.

On a practical level, yes Yingluck is no good, yes Thaksin should face additional massmurder charges for the 2500 deaths he ordered, and his nepotistic plundering of the State Fund, there is no dispute from me. But what was good is that PTP were voted for, got into power, and so their supporters put down the pitchforks and said "ok we've got our electoral rights now" etc. And they then started gradually criticising their own PTP members for failing, which is totally natural healthy democracy, and heading in the right direction. Suthep derailed that slow but natural process. The rural / poor thinking that it was great they had got Government's ear, but they didn't like their leadership, for failing to improve infrastructure etc. So they would put more internal pressure on PTP to act like a political party not just insurgents. This is very slow process. Meantime, Dems were gaining popularity also from the PTP failing.

The problems can all be solved without any of the Suthep stuff.

Re; Yingluck abuse of the policy-making machinery, can all be solved by Parliamentary reform, Parliament as a concept is a fluid system which invites augmentation to "get around" nation-specific difficulties, overhauling the mechanisms relating to the power balance of the various parties, their floor-time, and also the policy queueing system of which needs to be regulated by an external body. Thaksin passport issue should never reach the debate floor, especially during flood crisis as it did, that is just ridiculous. This can be solved by strictly regulating policy-submission and queueing. Those reforms take a long time, it also takes a long time for radical new parties such as PTP to settle into more progressive models. Especially as they began as a hero-worship cult. But you have to work with the materials you've got.

However, to scrap the whole process above, and just say "your votes don't matter" (paraphrasing Suthep's conceptual Assembly idea) is inviting disaster. I hope to be proved wrong on all this.

edit: mister coffee & typos

Nice balanced point of view Yunla

[MJP]

I really want Santa to bring me one of these drone things.

[Maggusoil]

""Whoever wants to go inside to register will have to pass through us," he said.

"If we do not hold the country by February 2, we will shut the country down. No one will go to vote," he added."

Did Suthep really say this? I know the APP seems to take a pro govt line in most of its stories, but they don't make stuff up. Suthep's authoritarian, PT like attitude of "my way is the only way" is getting worse. Man's barking mad and gorged on power, dangerous combination. He will be no better than PT and their red stormtroopers if he carries out these threats.

He already is no better. Barking mad is a very good description. He is promoting an ill thought out revolution. He has no white paper on his own subject, but making it all up as he goes along. If people follow this insanity, they will get nothing from it.

The Army will have to step in eventually and return the country to elections according to the constitution.

Thai people will one day have to realise there are no easy answers. Democracy comes one step at a time.

Dare I say what Thailand needs is what all governments need all over the world. Transparency. That's something that is hard won and usually only won, one case at a time. The rooting out of individual cases of corruption. One by one. Tricky and time consuming, but it has to be done, by those that are committed.

There are cases of massive corruption in Australia at present, involving government department heads and so forth. You can't hold the whole government to account, but make it harder and harder for individuals to get away with what they do.

The greatest benefit from this is to put the Shinawatra clan on "notice".

[outsider]

The actions of the PM is nothing but typical soap-opera plot. Faces insurmountable problems in the city, runs away to the villages, greeted by peace-loving and welcoming villagers, joined by her son, loves the peace and tranquility of the place, sheds some tears, and stays on in the village forever. Typical soapy plot. YL should consider following it.

In another news... so major arteries, junctons and destinations are again besieged by the mob. Well at this this lot doesn't burn tyres and all. Sure, it's still a damned mess they will leave behind, but nothing like smoking tyres and burned-down shopping centres.

[NCFC]

Makes me laugh when people focus on one photo and say that's not 100,000 without realising the protests were in many, many places.

The western media are then fed lies about how many are protesting by reducing a huge percentage off the total (no one knows for sure, but it was big) and then you get the red shirt/sheep on here who believe what they are told.

For all the red shirts here moaning at the reasons behind the protests, I have one question, if it was the Dems in power and they tried to bring in a bill that would whitewash themselves from the shootings in 2010 and any other corruption they've done and at the same time brought in a Pledging Scheme that with Isaan tax money benefited certain elite in BKK and made some people in the Dems very rich while putting the country's finances under huge strain and then lie and talk down to the people it was all done in the sake of "reconciliation and forgiveness" (yes Yingluck, we believe in Santa Claus too).

What would they red shirts have done? Nothing?

You need to educate yourself a little better. The Amnesty Bill would have whitewashed the Dems too.