What’s The Secret Of Pattaya’s Success?

[DUMPSTER]

Pattaya, like any place, would be a great place to live if you got rid of all the people who just dont know how to be good citizens. Those who only want to harm others, who have no idea of whats right and wrong, basically people who have no morals. Get rid of that lot and i'll come on down. In the mean time, i'll just pop down when I have to for social events and for the rest of the time i'll view from around 50 km away, which suits me better.

Edited May 18, 2006 by DUMPSTER

[Mobi]

Pattaya, like any place, would be a great place to live if you got rid of all the people who just dont know how to be good citizens. Those who only want to harm others, who have no idea of whats right and wrong, basically people who have no morals. Get rid of that lot and i'll come on down. In the mean time, i'll just pop down when I have to for social events and for the rest of the time i'll view from around 50 km away, which suits me better.

Hey Dumpy,

Just a hunch - did you support the banning of the Da Vinci Code?

[Kerryd]

Pattaya, like any place, would be a great place to live if you got rid of all the people who just dont know how to be good citizens.

Those who only want to harm others, who have no idea of whats right and wrong, basically people who have no morals. Get rid of that lot and i'll come on down. In the mean time, i'll just pop down when I have to for social events and for the rest of the time i'll view from around 50 km away, which suits me better.

So you've managed to purge all the people "who only want to harm others, who have no idea of whats right and wrong, basically people who have no morals" from the place you live now ?

Any place would be a great place to live, if only we could get rid of all those annoying people that don't think the same way we (I) do, don't act the same way we (I) do, and don't do things the way we (I) do.

And guess who sets the standards for what is right, wrong and immoral ? We (I) Do !!

Someone else tried that approach about 70 years ago. Didn't work then, won't work now.

[suiging]

Gents, simple fact of life, if you enjoy a place and are half human others will follow. When the others come they build. When they build the infra-structure grows to support their coming, hence pattaya. Schools , hospitals , golf courses, multi-screen flicks in huge shopping mals are the result of people coming to the area. Not all the folk who come are nice, not all of them are the rat bags the Pattaya bashers make them out to be. What is true is they all need somewhere to rest their weary head, so they or the money grabbing developers build. When they build in Asia ( Asia, same in China, Vietnam etc etc ) they employ men from the sticks who work for peanuts. These guys take a look at the wealth around them in comparison to their mud hut and a proportion turn bad. Same story everywhere and I mean everywhere, where people wish to live. If you wish to live without the Hospitals, schools etc etc, stay where the builders come from and blend in with your own mud hut. On a cheery note, in Asia, when the real money arrives ( as it will, when the casino becomes a reality, Portugal has still not recovered form the loss of the gaming revenue, which formed a fair slice of it's GDP, from Macau's sleeze and tables ) nice men who work for the Government, are empowered to keep the nice tourists with lots of money safe and sound, so nasty men from mud hut land end up in ditches ( or in the case of Macau ordered to fall prostrate in front of the Chinese ruling cadre and simply told end the violence in Macau, which I add, made Pattaya look like a catholic school garden party, or die ). Now the politically correct Pattaya basher, tree huggers in mud hut land, will balk at the senerio.......................but just watch it unfold as the new hotels open and when the money finally gets to be thrown accross three foot of indoor greenary, to land on square 21.

[Mobi]

Gents, simple fact of life, if you enjoy a place and are half human others will follow. When the others come they build. When they build the infra-structure grows to support their coming, hence pattaya. Schools , hospitals , golf courses, multi-screen flicks in huge shopping mals are the result of people coming to the area. Not all the folk who come are nice, not all of them are the rat bags the Pattaya bashers make them out to be. What is true is they all need somewhere to rest their weary head, so they or the money grabbing developers build. When they build in Asia ( Asia, same in China, Vietnam etc etc ) they employ men from the sticks who work for peanuts. These guys take a look at the wealth around them in comparison to their mud hut and a proportion turn bad. Same story everywhere and I mean everywhere, where people wish to live. If you wish to live without the Hospitals, schools etc etc, stay where the builders come from and blend in with your own mud hut. On a cheery note, in Asia, when the real money arrives ( as it will, when the casino becomes a reality, Portugal has still not recovered form the loss of the gaming revenue, which formed a fair slice of it's GDP, from Macau's sleeze and tables ) nice men who work for the Government, are empowered to keep the nice tourists with lots of money safe and sound, so nasty men from mud hut land end up in ditches ( or in the case of Macau ordered to fall prostrate in front of the Chinese ruling cadre and simply told end the violence in Macau, which I add, made Pattaya look like a catholic school garden party, or die ). Now the politically correct Pattaya basher, tree huggers in mud hut land, will balk at the senerio.......................but just watch it unfold as the new hotels open and when the money finally gets to be thrown accross three foot of indoor greenary, to land on square 21.

I like this post. there's a lot of reasoned and logical argument here, written with an entertaining dose of pizzazz!

I'm not so sure the casino scenario is going to happen any time soon - but who knows?

If everyone made posts like this on Pattaya issues, I would quickly retire from the front line of defence against the Pattaya bashing zealots. I'm not sensitive - nor do I take it personally, I'd just like to see some balanced, sensible debate.

Hm... fat chance of that!

[Mighty Mouse]

Pattaya, like any place, would be a great place to live if you got rid of all the people who just dont know how to be good citizens.

Pattaya IS already a good place to live. It's the people who make the place, not the buildings, the beach, the bars....THE PEOPLE.

Dumpy, try socialising with some of the Pattaya ex-pats but leave your current attitude at home. Many of the ex-pats spend a generous amount of their time raising funds for the under privileged. They are extremely good citizens.

Those who only want to harm others, who have no idea of whats right and wrong, basically people who have no morals. Get rid of that lot and i'll come on down.

Are you referring to those tourists/ex-pats who enjoy some horizontal encounters with like minded locals? These are the ones who you usually throw barbs at. How do they harm others?

But you say they have no morels. Perhaps they should all join you standing on your soap box preaching sermons to others.

If we got rid of all the people who know how to enjoy themselves, Pattaya would become a ghost city overnight. Maybe that's what you'd like to 'come down' to. Sit there on your own protecting your morels.

In the mean time, i'll just pop down when I have to for social events and for the rest of the time i'll view from around 50 km away, which suits me better.

Coming down for some cheap shopping in the markets is hardly a social event, but......whatever floats your boat.

Ban Saan is about 50 kms away. They have a mountain there covered in wild monkeys. Perhaps that would be a suitable place for you to view from. Take a mirror with you for comparison purposes. Monkey see, monkey do

[Noel]

Dumpy is most concernend about the number of sex tourists who he believes come to Pattaya to fulfill their wicked desires.

If truth be known, he is forced to sit in a bar with his controlling wife alongside him, whilst dozens of fantastic looking, desirable women stroll past him. A controlling wife one side and trying to control an erection can take their toll on a man. Poor Dumpy.

No cheap shot against minorities intended, but a quick scan of the Pattaya Bashing 'cess pit' labeller's posts strongly suggests the above to be very unlikely...

[chatters]

Pattaya, like any place, would be a great place to live if you got rid of all the people who just dont know how to be good citizens. Those who only want to harm others, who have no idea of whats right and wrong, basically people who have no morals. Get rid of that lot and i'll come on down. In the mean time, i'll just pop down when I have to for social events and for the rest of the time i'll view from around 50 km away, which suits me better.

no i have said darling.................... thre are too many dick heads and funny people who come here it appears looking for girls.............. and can,t get any at home do we really need them

look around to morrow.............. there every where

Hey Dumpy,

Just a hunch - did you support the banning of the Da Vinci Code?

[chatters]

Pattaya, like any place, would be a great place to live if you got rid of all the people who just dont know how to be good citizens. Those who only want to harm others, who have no idea of whats right and wrong, basically people who have no morals. Get rid of that lot and i'll come on down. In the mean time, i'll just pop down when I have to for social events and for the rest of the time i'll view from around 50 km away, which suits me better.

no i have said darling.................... thre are too many dick heads and funny people who come here it appears looking for girls.............. and can,t get any at home do we really need them

look around to morrow.............. there every where

Hey Dumpy,

Just a hunch - did you support the banning of the Da Vinci Code?

no the book much different to book

[Mobi]

no the book much different to book

I'm not trying to be rude but I'm afraid you've lost me.

Can someone translate?

[LaoPo]

So far I didn't say much in here....but answering the topic's question:

What’s The Secret Of Pattaya’s Success?

This is the answer:

LaoPo

[Kerryd]

What is the secret to success in other places like Cancun, Acapulco, Ibiza, the Riviera, Rio, Greece, ect ?

In most of those places, the "secret" has been lots of SUN, SAND and SURF (i.e. sunny beachside locations). Add to that a good party atmosphere and cheap prices.

What does Pattaya have ?

Sun ? Usually (not today though)

Sand ? Pattaya & Jomtien beaches, in addition to the local island beaches.

Surf ? Obviously.

Good party atmosphere ? Obviously.

Cheap prices ? Obviously.

Seems to be successful in other parts of the world, why not here ?

[Mighty Mouse]

Dumpy is most concernend about the number of sex tourists who he believes come to Pattaya to fulfill their wicked desires.

If truth be known, he is forced to sit in a bar with his controlling wife alongside him, whilst dozens of fantastic looking, desirable women stroll past him. A controlling wife one side and trying to control an erection can take their toll on a man. Poor Dumpy.

No cheap shot against minorities intended, but a quick scan of the Pattaya Bashing 'cess pit' labeller's posts strongly suggests the above to be very unlikely...

He bats for the other side. I should have guessed.

Let me do a re-write:

If truth be known, he is forced to sit in a Boyztown bar with his controlling stallion alongside side him, whilst dozens of fantastic looking, desirable males prance past him. A controlling stud one side and trying to control an erection can take their toll on a mans' man. Poor Humpy.

[Kerryd]

He bats for the other side. I should have guessed.

Let me do a re-write:

If truth be known, he is forced to sit in a Boyztown bar with his controlling stallion alongside side him, whilst dozens of fantastic looking, desirable males prance past him. A controlling stud one side and trying to control an erection can take their toll on a mans' man. Poor Humpy.

Just a little bit cynical there MM ?

In my previous post I mentioned that Pattaya's success can be found in the Sun, Sand and Surf. I should have added another "S" there. Sun, Sand, Surf and Sex.

Apparently (Gasp ! Shock ) sex is available in Pattaya, just as it is in pretty much every other city in the world (yes, even the Muslim ones, trust me).

[DUMPSTER]

So here goes the slings and arrows of the kindergarten brigade. Ok so you want to bring sexuality into attacking me, fine. I thought you guys were the upstanding citizens of Pattaya. The ones who do all that chaaaarity work. The caring sharing guys who make Pattaya the great place it is to live.

Pattaya is a playground for many, I feel it could be better. I feel there is a growing element that is detrimental to Pattaya. Maybe you guys can't see that or you don't care. That's fine but all but ALL of you take pot shots at the place when it suits.

Like I said previously about the recent fire, how many of you bitched and complained about the safety regulations but in another post where I complained I was told TIT and stop bashing Pattaya. Yes TIT so what the <deleted> are you complaining about safety for. Except that doors are locked and so if you value your safety don't go in to clubs. You really are a bunch of hypocrites but then you will only see what you want to see, the same as me.

Noel loads the gun, MM fires it and kerryd stands there playing with his knob. What an inadequate bunch you guys are. Your integrity and compassion towards others is noted. The fine citizens of Pattaya speak out. You are a credit to humanity.

Edited May 19, 2006 by DUMPSTER

[Mobi]

So here goes the slings and arrows of the kindergarten brigade. Ok so you want to bring sexuality into attacking me, fine. I thought you guys were the upstanding citizens of Pattaya. The ones who do all that chaaaarity work. The caring sharing guys who make Pattaya the great place it is to live.

Pattaya is a playground for many, I feel it could be better. I feel there is a growing element that is detrimental to Pattaya. Maybe you guys can't see that or you don't care. That's fine but all but ALL of you take pot shots at the place when it suits.

Like I said previously about the recent fire, how many of you bitched and complained about the safety regulations but in another post where I complained I was told TIT and stop bashing Pattaya. Yes TIT so what the <deleted> are you complaining about safety for. Except that doors are locked and so if you value your safety don't go in to clubs. You really are a bunch of hypocrites but then you will only see what you want to see, the same as me.

Oh dear..... did poor little Dumpy get out of bed on the wrong side this morning.....?

What's happened to all you Pattaya Bashing friends?

Have they deserted you in your hour of need....?

[Mighty Mouse]

Dumpy, get something straight...metaphorically speaking of course......

.......I don't give a hoot one way or the other which side you dress on, but when you start throwing barbs, seriously or good naturedly, you have to expect to get some thrown back at you.

If you're going to get your knickers in a knot just because other posters have differing views to yours and/or poke a bit of harmless fun at you in the process, then you really need to develop thicker skin.

Sexuality, nationality, rationality etc. all get a flogging in many of the threads. 99% of such posts are tongue in cheek humour and you should regard them as such, most others do.

In this particular thread you have been deserted by the other known Pattaya bashers and forced to fight alone. You have stuck to the task fairly well and it's rather unfortunate that the pro Pattaya people can only use you for retaliation purposes. If it's all too much for you, then remove the target from the middle of your back and keep your Pattaya trashing comments to yourself.

[Buckwheat]

All of you bad citizens.....be gone!

All of you who would harm others...be gone!

All of you Munchkins get out too....except the tiny poo ying!!!

[DUMPSTER]

Noel loads the gun, MM fires it and kerryd stands there playing with his knob while Mobi stands beside him boasting that his knob is bigger.

What an inadequate bunch you guys are. Your integrity and compassion towards others is noted again. The fine citizens of Pattaya speak out. You are a credit to humanity. You are the true voice of Pattaya.

Enough said.

[Mobi]

Noel loads the gun, MM fires it and kerryd stands there playing with his knob while Mobi stands beside him boasting that his knob is bigger.

What an inadequate bunch you guys are. Your integrity and compassion towards others is noted again. The fine citizens of Pattaya speak out. You are a credit to humanity. You are the true voice of Pattaya.

Enough said.

Dumpy, why are you obsessed with knobs?....

[Kerryd]

Noel loads the gun, MM fires it and kerryd stands there playing with his knob while Mobi stands beside him boasting that his knob is bigger.

Just goes to show how much you know. I have someone sweet and cuddly to play with my knob. And mine is bigger than Mobi's (so I've heard)

What an inadequate bunch you guys are. Your integrity and compassion towards others is noted again. The fine citizens of Pattaya speak out. You are a credit to humanity. You are the true voice of Pattaya.

Enough said.

By whose standards, yours ? Again I quote:

"Pattaya, like any place, would be a great place to live if you got rid of all the people who just dont know how to be good citizens. Those who only want to harm others, who have no idea of whats right and wrong, basically people who have no morals."

So, we are people that don't know how to be good citizens ? We only want to harm others, don't know right from wrong and have no morals ?

All this because we live in Pattaya and like it ?

Hmmm, I guess I'd better go tell the g/f, the landlady and all my Thai friends and neighbours that I'm really a bad guy and they shouldn't be so nice to me. I'm sure they'll get a good laugh out of that !

[Mobi]

Just goes to show how much you know. I have someone sweet and cuddly to play with my knob. And mine is bigger than Mobi's (so I've heard)

I may be old, but I can still hold my own in the best of company.....

He's like a cornered little poodle. Snap... snap... Snap... Snap....

Ouch! Stop tickling me..

[Pattaya_Fox]

Noel loads the gun, MM fires it and kerryd stands there playing with his knob while Mobi stands beside him boasting that his knob is bigger.

What an inadequate bunch you guys are. Your integrity and compassion towards others is noted again. The fine citizens of Pattaya speak out. You are a credit to humanity. You are the true voice of Pattaya.

Enough said.

Dumpy, why are you obsessed with knobs?....

Knobs and Knockers seem to go hand in hand......so to speak.

[Noel]

Noel loads the gun, MM fires it and kerryd stands there playing with his knob while Mobi stands beside him boasting that his knob is bigger.

What an inadequate bunch you guys are. Your integrity and compassion towards others is noted again. The fine citizens of Pattaya speak out. You are a credit to humanity. You are the true voice of Pattaya.

Enough said.

Dear oh dear, you are getting your thong in a twist!

Add a squeezed lemon and your make-up appears clear: twisted bitterness personified.

Hmmm, ‘partner’ problems perchance?

Your predictably prissy prose suggests that all is not well as you appear to permanently have a bee in your bonnet.

Perhaps the underlying cause behind your huffy and supercilious outbursts stems, amongst other issues, from your very own words:

Why shouldn't they have sex like those of us who are good-looking enough not to have to pay for it?

Christ, I can just picture you preening yourself in the Powder Room…

I will not mince my words, Dumpster. You need to take yourself in hand and just get over yourself.

If you want to come out handbag a-swinging as you puke your bile over those not like-minded, you should not be surprised when your unbalanced hissy fits prompt the erroneously targeted recipients of your scorn to retaliate.

More than enough said methinks.

Have a nice dump...

[britmaveric]

Lads you are being too hard on Dumpy - he means well, not his fault he doesnt have a clue what the fk he's talking about.

As for the fire at Route999 - unfortunately the lack of safety standards and enforcement exists all over Thailand - so this is a moot point you are trying to make. This literally can happen anywhere not just Pattaya.

[DUMPSTER]

As for the fire at Route999 - unfortunately the lack of safety standards and enforcement exists all over Thailand - so this is a moot point you are trying to make. This literally can happen anywhere not just Pattaya.

Brit I didn't say it didn't happen elsewhere but we are talking about Pattaya not elsewhere. Maybe they should introduce an IQ test for posters on here.

My point was that most of you have a bitch now and again, on the side, when it suits you of course. Even those of you who are married and have kids, have your little bitch on the side. You can't help it, it's human nature. Once you've had your bitch, you feel contented after you've released your load or 2. That's why you like Pattaya.

I've met, maybe one or two married guys from Pattaya who said they were happy but I've met and had to listen to scores of you who bitch and complain about their wives and life.

So, I cant see the pattaya forum as being a true reflection of Pattaya. Either you guys are the minority of Pattaya westerners who are happy with their lives or you are not being honest with yourselves or to the other members.

You guys obviously don't realise what rubbish you are saying most of the time. You say it so often that you now believe it. So Brit, I take my view point from having listened to numerous sob stories you guys bore people to death with. But you all have become so imune to each others misery that you now believe that the misery is the norm and that misery is indeed happiness.

Oh, how tedious it is to have to write in certain style in order to stop the childish bigots from playing with themselves.

Edited May 20, 2006 by DUMPSTER

[Gary A]

YES, occasionally someone DOES manage to get my knickers in a twist. Not in any particular order are reformed smokers, reformed whore-mongers and born again christians. Before I became a reformed whore-monger one of my favorite activities was to bar-fine a young stunner and sit in an open air bar to watch the jealous men and their dominating wives walk past. That also applies to those who bat for the other side. Getting disgusted looks from men walking hand in hand down Walking Street was even more fun than grinning at disgusted wives. It's a simple thing. If you don't like what goes on in Pattaya DON'T go there.

[Mobi]

As for the fire at Route999 - unfortunately the lack of safety standards and enforcement exists all over Thailand - so this is a moot point you are trying to make. This literally can happen anywhere not just Pattaya.

Brit I didn't say it didn't happen elsewhere but we are talking about Pattaya not elsewhere. Maybe they should introduce an IQ test for posters on here.

My point was that most of you have a bitch now and again, on the side, when it suits you of course. Even those of you who are married and have kids, have your little bitch on the side. You can't help it, it's human nature. Once you've had your bitch, you feel contented after you've released your load or 2. That's why you like Pattaya.

I've met, maybe one or two married guys from Pattaya who said they were happy but I've met and had to listen to scores of you who bitch and complain about their wives and life.

So, I cant see the pattaya forum as being a true reflection of Pattaya. Either you guys are the minority of Pattaya westerners who are happy with their lives or you are not being honest with yourselves or to the other members.

You guys obviously don't realise what rubbish you are saying most of the time. You say it so often that you now believe it. So Brit, I take my view point from having listened to numerous sob stories you guys bore people to death with. But you all have become so imune to each others misery that you now believe that the misery is the norm and that misery is indeed happiness.

Oh, how tedious it is to have to write in certain style in order to stop the childish bigots from playing with themselves.

I reckon dumpy is only happy if he has the last word..........

BTW at the risk of bringing the wrath of a certain part of the community down on my head - why is it that there is a particularly vociforous cabal of bashers who bat from the other side? What is it about Pattaya that eats you guys up so much? And why are you all so high handed with your moralising?

Is it because you are all so young and good looking that you can find your Thai boy friends from the gay bars of Bangkok for free; so you can sneer at all the middle aged farangs having to pay for it in Pattaya? Let's face it, you also came to Thailand to find young Asian flesh - I've read about it in your forum, so don't try to deny it.

No doubt you will condemn me as a homophobic stereotype, but I alwys thought that gays were even more promiscous than us right hannded batters?

Have a cold shower Dumpy

Edited May 20, 2006 by Mobi D'Ark

[suiging]

As I've said on other threads, the bit about the mudslinging that's going on here from both sides of the argument that gets on my tits, is the liberal usage of " here", or " there " when describing Pattaya.

All sides in reality, are harping on about walking street and the other bits and bobs down the town which have made Pattaya quiet rightly famous. For once it would be nice for the supporters to highlight and for the bashers to ackowledge, the existance of the many fine golf courses, schools, where expat kids can receive a good education, whilst unlike fhucket or the back of beyond basher ville, can play sport with a good range of other schools, be they local or in BK, to round of their development. Add to this, access to the new airport to whisk us all away when we need to don our winter woolies occasionally, and good medical facilites to recover from frostbite when we return, this is not a bad place to be.

There are good, clean beaches within easy driving distance, and a plethora of restaurants of all persuasions to cater for every taste without ever setting foot in the seedy parts of town. Now do not get me wrong I F@#^&in love the ladies and all the fun of the fair ( well nearly all ). It's just that I choose to use that part of town on very rare occasions, often at the insistance of visitors ( including, I hasten to add Pattaya bashers, who seem to be the most insistant, enjoy themselves the most whilst there, and later prove what tw@#$ts they really are by their holier than thou speeches ).

I currently for my sins, spend most of my time waiting for the happy Pattya retirement in Hong Kong. I live on Hong Kong Island surrounded by the worst types ( snobs ) of Pattaya bashers imaginable.

" Why on earth did you by a place there?..Oh our vialla in Fhucket has gone up by..........Pattaya is a whore house etc etc."

I take great delight in pointing out that Mong Kok is about the same distance from the Peak as Walking Street is from Mabprachan. The relevance? the snobs think HK Island is wonderful a world apart fromdirty Pattaya, whilst in reality, if you think South Pattaya is bad, try Mong Kok. At least in Pattaya there is a sense of fun, Mong Kok is business, pure sordid business, without even half a smile to ease your day.

The Pattaya knocking shops and the money they generate in short pay for the golf, hospitals etc, andall the other bits I love about Pattaya. However, there is life outside of them, so supporters and bashers, please, please, less sweeping generalizations about our fair city.

[Mobi]

As I've said on other threads, the bit about the mudslinging that's going on here from both sides of the argument that gets on my tits,........................

...................... and all the other bits I love about Pattaya. However, there is life outside of them, so supporters and bashers, please, please, less sweeping generalizations about our fair city.

Good post suiging, and I couldn't agree with you more.

I've been accused by more than one person, including Pattaya supporters, that I'm too sensitive and take it too personally. Well maybe I do, maybe I don't , but what really gets me is the refusal of many of the bashers to listen to reasoned argumnets, and acknowledge that there is more than one side to Pattaya.

In then end, we get so frustrated that we just resort to throwing insults at each other.

If you go back to the start of these myriad Pattaya bashing threads, some months ago, you will find that all the early posts contained loads of stuff along the lines of your post, pointing out all the good things about Pattaya and ite environs, as well acknowledging the bad, so-called seazy side. We know there's some pretty low life characters here, and we know that crime is an increasing problem, but like all things, you have to put it in perspective, and that's what many of the bashers adamantly refuse to do. When they insist that evry single farang is only here for the whores, booze and cheap sex, and refuse to accept that there may be other things that would attract farangs to live here, then is it surprising that we end up at each other's throats?

I do believe I have kept a sense of humour throughout this debate, and when I can't get people to see the logic of a rounded argument, then I try to dispell their bile with a bit of humour - but they don't always appreciate it.

(After making an excellent, balanced post, how would you feel if some basher came along and told you were talking a load of <deleted> and you were only moving here for the cheap sex, and stop trying to kids us all otherwise?)

Edited May 20, 2006 by Mobi D'Ark