thesetat2013 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 My wife and i are looking for a housekeeper that is not already in thailand. We dont want someone who is here already with many friends. We want to avoid chances of getting a runner or a woman who will spend her days on the phone with friends. If anyone can help us please contact us back. We can obtain work papers once she is here. Sent from my GT-S5310 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tingtong Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Sorry, but it sounds that you are looking to import a domestic slave, who has no social life or connection to the world, but live to serve you. Anyone would be a runner, if you not treat them well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrry Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Isn't Human Trafficing ilegal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phuketrichard Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 shame on u, Human trafficking is against the law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myanmarhelpers Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Hi! Are you a native of Myanmar? If not, I would strongly advise you to look for a local housekeeper instead. People that are sent abroad to work as domestic helpers oftentimes come from poor rural areas, and only undergo a few weeks of training before taking on their assignment. This kind of training, although helpful, is not always sufficient to prepare staff for the culture shock that comes with moving to a different country, and taking on a new job in a completely unfamiliar environment. There is a good reason a lot of administrative work is required to hire staff from one those "maid-sending" countries - and that's because the system really shouldn't exist in the first place. Unlike with highly skilled workers that speak English fluently and are completely used to living in modern urban environments, the people that most likely want to participate in these programs are uneducated, speak little to no English and have never travelled abroad before - perhaps, they've never even left their hometown! In the "maid-receiving" countries, they always say that there is a shortage of domestic staff. However, most likely there would be plenty of not-so-well-off people - whether natives or legal immigrants - that could do these jobs. The problem is just, they won't work for peanuts! So, although it sounds a bit harsh: if you can't afford a housekeeper, then don't hire one. The ideal of the Filipino maid that has a university degree, speaks fluent English, and looks after your household for a pittance is no longer realistic. The Philippines have already stopped sending domestic staff abroad. Indonesia will do so in the near future. Myanmar, and other countries, such as Cambodia and Bangladesh, may fill the void temporarily. But their economies are all growing, and sooner or later, even the poor villagers will have better opportunities in their own country, and will no longer be willing to go abroad. Last but not least, you will not get a housekeeper straight from Myanmar through legal channels, because the Myanmar government allows for domestic staff to be sent to only to Singapore or Hong Kong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chao Lao Beach Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 The Philippines have already stopped sending domestic staff abroad. Indonesia will do so in the near future. Myanmar, and other countries, such as Cambodia and Bangladesh, may fill the void temporarily Last but not least, you will not get a housekeeper straight from Myanmar through legal channels, because the Myanmar government allows for domestic staff to be sent to only to Singapore or Hong Kong. Nice post, but my question is more of a general one, How can a country make a law that limits and dictates where a person goes and works? If a person can get a visa to travel and or work abroad, what does a persons Government have to do with this? I have been based in 13 countries while working mainly for multi-nationals, you re inferring that a Gov has the right to tell me where I can go in the world and what I do there or in this case citizens of these countries. In the majority of the countries I have worked in, the same employer, employed Phillipino's. Everyone of them was making over $100,000 USD after tax. I do not believe for one min that their Gov had any influence what so ever on their employment. Can you please further explain how this works? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrry Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 The Philippines have already stopped sending domestic staff abroad. Indonesia will do so in the near future. Myanmar, and other countries, such as Cambodia and Bangladesh, may fill the void temporarily Last but not least, you will not get a housekeeper straight from Myanmar through legal channels, because the Myanmar government allows for domestic staff to be sent to only to Singapore or Hong Kong. Nice post, but my question is more of a general one, How can a country make a law that limits and dictates where a person goes and works? If a person can get a visa to travel and or work abroad, what does a persons Government have to do with this? I have been based in 13 countries while working mainly for multi-nationals, you re inferring that a Gov has the right to tell me where I can go in the world and what I do there or in this case citizens of these countries. In the majority of the countries I have worked in, the same employer, employed Phillipino's. Everyone of them was making over $100,000 USD after tax. I do not believe for one min that their Gov had any influence what so ever on their employment. Can you please further explain how this works? Yes Governments do have the legal (if not moral rights to stop you going anywhere you want or working wherever you want) In the case of USA it was always ilegal to travel to Libya and when you returned you could get charged for it in the USA, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falang07 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 bullshit, if you ask me, anyone is free to work anywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnicaleBob Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I would suggest you find a maid who is already in country and at least understands a little Thai if not English. We found a Burmese maid in country but without passport, visa or work permit. Before she started working we started the process of obtaining all of these documents for her so that she would be legal. Upon receiving the documents we made copies for our records and gave her the originals so as there would be no question she was free to go whenever she wanted. This required a lot of trust on our part but we treated her with respect and honor and she has done so to us in return. About the social problem of the maid being on the phone all day while she is working; After a few months we started to have this problem and informed our maid that it was not acceptable and that we were giving her proper warning that if it continued her job would be in jeopardy. We set certain hours (her lunch time and other time off) that she could have long phone conversations and since then we have had no problems. If you treat your maid with honor and respect you will get honor and respect in return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotary Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 As normal the best housekeeper is none. It is almost as much work messing with a housekeeper as it is doing the housework yourself in most cases. Also the wife staying busy is not a bad thing in many cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotary Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 The Philippines have already stopped sending domestic staff abroad. Indonesia will do so in the near future. Myanmar, and other countries, such as Cambodia and Bangladesh, may fill the void temporarily Last but not least, you will not get a housekeeper straight from Myanmar through legal channels, because the Myanmar government allows for domestic staff to be sent to only to Singapore or Hong Kong. Nice post, but my question is more of a general one, How can a country make a law that limits and dictates where a person goes and works? If a person can get a visa to travel and or work abroad, what does a persons Government have to do with this? I have been based in 13 countries while working mainly for multi-nationals, you re inferring that a Gov has the right to tell me where I can go in the world and what I do there or in this case citizens of these countries. In the majority of the countries I have worked in, the same employer, employed Phillipino's. Everyone of them was making over $100,000 USD after tax. I do not believe for one min that their Gov had any influence what so ever on their employment. Can you please further explain how this works? Yes Governments do have the legal (if not moral rights to stop you going anywhere you want or working wherever you want) In the case of USA it was always ilegal to travel to Libya and when you returned you could get charged for it in the USA, A true mark of the Nanny Socialist state Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghworker2010 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 very funny thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KamnanT Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 bullshit, if you ask me, anyone is free to work anywhere Actually, no, it's not. The Philippines, for one, has a system of licensing employment agencies and overseas workers. A government agency (POEA) verifies that overseas employment opportunities are legitimate and that workers leaving for overseas employment are not being trafficked for other purposes. A Filipino worker leaving for employment requires an Overseas Employment Certificate (OEC). Filipinos leaving the country without an OEC can be stopped by Philippines Immigration and denied boarding if they can't produce compelling evidence that they are travelling as tourists. Young, single women with only basic education are particularly likely to be subject to "secondary inspection" (yes, that's the term they use) for obvious reasons. You can Google for the hundreds of instances where "gentlemen of leisure" have tried to take their Filipina girlfriends out of the PI for a holiday, only to have them stopped at Immigration and turned back. Given the number of overseas Thai workers who end up mistreated, ripped-off or in situations pretty close to indentured servitude, the Thai government might want to consider a similar system. Unfortunately, there is always a minority who is happy and willing to take advantage of the desperate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stupot1952 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Depending what you require and your rates I am british and will look after all for you first class please e.mail me <<Email address removed, use PM function to contact >> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailandbeachisland Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Sorry, but it sounds that you are looking to import a domestic slave, who has no social life or connection to the world, but live to serve you. Anyone would be a runner, if you not treat them well. If you have a better solution to find a reliable maid ! Life is unfair and some people will always be victim, do you think that you are able to change the world ? Ridiculous. At least the OP will give a job to someone who needs it more than friends or a social life ! So many stupid comments by people who certainly never did anything to help anyone here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asiaexpat Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Never hire a Burmese housekeeper that does not have family in the local area that she can visit on occasion. Also, the telephone is her means of socializing in an otherwise isolated situation. As long as it does not interfere with getting her work done, what is the harm. We have gone through a lot of non-Thai domestic help (mostly Burmese) over the years and find that hiring dependable long term non-Thai domestic help requires special connections and a lot of understanding. Best to find a local that will come on a daily basis (and keep a close eye on her.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesetat2013 Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 Thanks thailandbeachisland! So many idiotic replies and not 1 helpful. You idiots dont read thai news so much to know there are so many BAD nannies here both thai and burmese. I never stated i would lock her in house and keep her from being social. You guys should learn to read. What i did say was that i did not want someone who would spend their day socializing while alone. Would you want to come home to a shitty diaper and hungry baby with a dirty house simply because your housekeeper got caught up in conversation with friends. Also you idiots out there. Dont you think that if i import a housekeeper that she would be introduced to reaponsible people who guide her. I am no slave trader and you are a-holes to suggest it.perhaps that is your limited ideals and values for the people you know already. When i do find a housekeeper she would be treated as family. Get your heads out of the gutter. You are the only ones living there in this post. Now if anyone can really help me i would appreciate it. I am a teacher and my wife works for a thai ministry. She is 7months pregnant already and will need help in the house soon. Sent from my GT-S5310 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGIE Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I would suggest you find a maid who is already in country and at least understands a little Thai if not English. We found a Burmese maid in country but without passport, visa or work permit. Before she started working we started the process of obtaining all of these documents for her so that she would be legal. Upon receiving the documents we made copies for our records and gave her the originals so as there would be no question she was free to go whenever she wanted. This required a lot of trust on our part but we treated her with respect and honor and she has done so to us in return. About the social problem of the maid being on the phone all day while she is working; After a few months we started to have this problem and informed our maid that it was not acceptable and that we were giving her proper warning that if it continued her job would be in jeopardy. We set certain hours (her lunch time and other time off) that she could have long phone conversations and since then we have had no problems. If you treat your maid with honor and respect you will get honor and respect in return. exactly BarnicaleBob! If your maid doesn't listen to your warning not to use the phone while time of work, then there is no more best thing to do than to fire her. If you treat your maid with honor and respect you will get honor and respect in return. Agree with what you said above Barni... But if you treat your maid like she is not human, then your maid will surely go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DagonKhan Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Last but not least, you will not get a housekeeper straight from Myanmar through legal channels, because the Myanmar government allows for domestic staff to be sent to only to Singapore or Hong Kong. This is correct. If the OP is determined to get a legal foreign maid then he will have to look somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpduggan Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Sorry, but it sounds that you are looking to import a domestic slave, who has no social life or connection to the world, but live to serve you. Anyone would be a runner, if you not treat them well. Just what I was thinking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wat dee Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 If You can't afford Thai minimum wage, wash your own dishes!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpduggan Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Just get your wifey to do the housework! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little mary sunshine Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Thanks thailandbeachisland! So many idiotic replies and not 1 helpful. You idiots dont read thai news so much to know there are so many BAD nannies here both thai and burmese. I never stated i would lock her in house and keep her from being social. You guys should learn to read. What i did say was that i did not want someone who would spend their day socializing while alone. Would you want to come home to a shitty diaper and hungry baby with a dirty house simply because your housekeeper got caught up in conversation with friends. Also you idiots out there. Dont you think that if i import a housekeeper that she would be introduced to reaponsible people who guide her. I am no slave trader and you are a-holes to suggest it.perhaps that is your limited ideals and values for the people you know already. When i do find a housekeeper she would be treated as family. Get your heads out of the gutter. You are the only ones living there in this post. Now if anyone can really help me i would appreciate it. I am a teacher and my wife works for a thai ministry. She is 7months pregnant already and will need help in the house soon. Sent from my GT-S5310 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app In Hawaii I had the same housekeeper for 18 years. She had a key to my condo, I would leave for work and when I returned the place was immaculate, laundry done and ironed too...She received $13 per hour, the going rate in the US for a housekeeper....You get what you pay for.......You want cheap semi slave labor you will get cheap results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbalEd Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 bullshit, if you ask me, anyone is free to work anywhere You are either very ignorant or naive if you actually believe what you just wrote. There are many countries in the world where I (an American citizen) cannot legally work ... or visit, for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecynic Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 bullshit, if you ask me, anyone is free to work anywhere You are either very ignorant or naive if you actually believe what you just wrote. There are many countries in the world where I (an American citizen) cannot legally work ... or visit, for that matter. That is correct HerbalEd. Though, this is slightly different and involves various human rights issues. @Falang07 - there is no harm in reading up on things before commenting on some threads. The plight of domestic workers has been known for a long time. They are abused and treated as slaves a lot of the times. That is the reason why many governments around the world sign agreements with other countries to protect their citizens. You can read up on Indonesian domestic workers in Malaysia, Hong Kong and some Middle Eastern countries such as Saudi Arabia. I provide you some links here - you can use google and read up more, if you feel like it. http://livewire.amnesty.org/2013/11/21/stop-allowing-employment-agencies-to-exploit-indonesian-domestic-workers/ http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/10/28/middle-east-failing-protect-domestic-workers As to the OP, as few people have mentioned that Burmese are not allowed to work as domestic workers in Thailand. There are, however, countless un-documented Burmese in Thailand and you just need five minutes of your time to read up on their plight, if you know how to use google. One good thing that Thailand did was pass some regulations to protect domestic workers. Link here (http://www.ilo.org/asia/info/public/pr/WCMS_192615/lang--en/index.htm) But, of course, it is anybody's guess how these regulations are implemented. OP, I wish you and your wife good luck with the new baby, and only hope/wish that you are not be one of those people who mistreat these poor people Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGIE Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I know an employer that do employ maids and fire them anytime she wishes and gets a new one. She accuses her maids as lazy. But it is her fabricated word so that she doesn't pay them. I know a victim and according to the victim, there were 3 maids fired prior to her. The employer's children told the maid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre0720 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I did not expect so many nasty comments on this topic. So today I went to Phuket town, to the restaurant I usually go to at lunch. Owned and operated by a nice thai couple, who also have a wonderful child. They hire staff to work at the restaurant, Burmese she told me before. She had a burmese worker some 2 months ago, who went back home, to come back and try working at different restautants. The lady owner told me she was a bit sad about losing her employee. So she finally got a new one. I asked her where she can find burmese workers.. She told me she went to the town market and asked around, And someone was referred. A burmese lady, raised mostly in Thailand, so she speaks thai. She has two burmese staff now. Today, because of this topic I read this morning, I asked her why she hires burmese people instead of Thais. She said that Thais want to work in an office, for arounf 9,000 bahts a month. She told me she needs two staff, at 7,500 bahts a month, plus tips. They also have a room to stay, and free food...Thai ladies she told me do not want these jobs, and typically work in a restaurant, when owned by the family, generally I suppose. The two burmese she has working look very happy, and she says another one wants to work in her restaurant, but she has money to pay only for two. For all I know, their life is better taking such a job... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doglover Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 I did not expect so many nasty comments on this topic. So today I went to Phuket town, to the restaurant I usually go to at lunch. Owned and operated by a nice thai couple, who also have a wonderful child. They hire staff to work at the restaurant, Burmese she told me before. She had a burmese worker some 2 months ago, who went back home, to come back and try working at different restautants. The lady owner told me she was a bit sad about losing her employee. So she finally got a new one. I asked her where she can find burmese workers.. She told me she went to the town market and asked around, And someone was referred. A burmese lady, raised mostly in Thailand, so she speaks thai. She has two burmese staff now. Today, because of this topic I read this morning, I asked her why she hires burmese people instead of Thais. She said that Thais want to work in an office, for arounf 9,000 bahts a month. She told me she needs two staff, at 7,500 bahts a month, plus tips. They also have a room to stay, and free food...Thai ladies she told me do not want these jobs, and typically work in a restaurant, when owned by the family, generally I suppose. The two burmese she has working look very happy, and she says another one wants to work in her restaurant, but she has money to pay only for two. For all I know, their life is better taking such a job... Well said sir! It is a shame that the genuine desire of the OP has attracted all the trolls. We have employed Thai maids for years and have had so much difficulty in finding a reliable, consistent, person with a good work ethic. So difficult that after 8 years we've given up and are also looking for Burmese or Lao maids. Thanks to the OP for bringing this up, hopefully there are constructive replies in the future. We would much rather employ a Thai for several reasons but simply cannot find someone suitable. Not sure why paying the going rate for housekeeping and slavery go hand in hand for some members. We pay more than many labour based jobs and still cannot find a consistent maid. So many just want to push the dust around with the broom all day between frequent breaks, show up late, go home early, steal your belongings, skip days of work. I had thought there would be appreciation for having a relatively well paying job close to home but there just isn't. "Well do it yourself then" they say. What is wrong with creating a job for someone and giving them an income for their family? A decade ago at the work camps I live in while working in Canada nobody cleared the meal trays from the table. Because we are lazy? Some, maybe. But the majority leave the tray because it creates a job for another. A few years back the non-union worker camps started clearing their own meal trays. Guess what happened to the workers that were responsible to clear the trays? Out of work, of course. I just don't get it. Dream on for those who say treat them with respect and they'll do the same. Obviously those repeating this mantra have never employed anyone in this country. You still need good people to start off with. And as mentioned many Thais are no longer interested in this work and other "low level" labour. But they are shooting themselves in the foot as more and more immigrants are taking these jobs and they will not get them back. All the best to the OP in his search. If you find a reliable source be sure to post again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrry Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 It is against the law to bring a maid from burma. I thought the forum had rules about illegal requests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaVisionBurma Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 It is against the law to bring a maid from burma. I thought the forum had rules about illegal requests. The OP asked for advice about whether it was possible to do, this was hardly a post about illegal requests Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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