Bar work

[supaprik]

No disrespect, can I ask is anyone here married to or dating a current or former bargirl. You may have interesting insight into the matter. Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Thailand

Yeah Kanga, I've been married to an ex GOGO girl for 5 years. Best wife I've ever had.

Her family were dirt poor, not from Isan, 2 generations born in a tin shed in a squalid soi behind a temple in Ratchaburi.

Family survived by collecting plastic, paper, glass.

Raped when 12 yo by local scum, left school and home at 13 because of emotional probs from rape, gave birth to first child at 14 to boy whose family took her in, he became meth addict.

At age 18 after years of struggle she was approached to go to work in Singapore ( 4 Floors ) Life finally improved ! After 3 years bought first house. Her 10 years of work before I met her improved the life of her whole family.

This is a true story, I have met all of the people in her story, she has photos to back her story, I have spent Songkrans with the relatives still living in the tin shed.

She had no other options. Who would employ an unmarried, uneducated mother of 2? no one. No social security in this country!

Having said all of that, my wife is a beautiful and intelligent woman, how else would she have managed to seperate so much cash from so many tight arsed farang over so many years.

Her only motivation was to care for her kids and give them a better life, which she has done.

I respect her and everything she has achieved and I'm happy to support her and the kids (we now have 4) we have a genuine and loving relationship based on honesty and earned trust.

To each his own, but to any who may choose to denigrate the people who choose to work in the sex industry, I say, who are you to talk, till you've walked in their shoes.

And to all you flaming, nit picking, holier than thou wowser types out there, this is my life and I'm happy with it so post away, your opinions mean didly to me!

So great to finally read something that is both open and honest..Respect to both you, your wife and children

[Neeranam]

When it comes to money, for people that are fixated on getting more, there is never enough.

IMO most BGs are much more empowered and have a lot more dignity and control over their life than if they pursued most of the other options open to them given their background.

And it's not just a few that hit the jackpot and end up happily married overseas.

Sorry, you are deluded. Bar girls and dignity?

[FiftyTwo]

I'm sure there are many reasons why girls and guys work in bars. I think the majority enjoy it and wouldn't want a 9-5 job if you offered it on a plate.

I work on very large motor yachts. Either owned or chartered by some of the wealthiest people out there.

These yachts are not environmentally friendly, waste massive amounts of resources, plus in lots of cases are sexually and racially discriminate.

Like a lot of people who work on these boats, I always say just a couple more years and I'll be done, as I don't agree with lots of aspects within the industry. The truth is, I'm a prostitute (albeit an engineering one) to the wealthy. I could do lots of other jobs but the money and lifestyle just keep pulling me back.

I think we are all slaves to our greed in one way or another...

So deluded . not even in the same area let alone about bar girls. Did you get abused by your family or your Husband beat you, gamble or just pimp you out for money. Did your brother do the same, or did your parents sell , give you away.did some foreigner promise you the world and blatantly lie to you, we a lot of these girls have been there, so like i say not in the same area., you have free will a lot of these girls never had.

I agree with CC, we all sell ourselves for money.

A lot of the girls actually like the work they do, that's why it's so hard to take them out of the bar.

For them, the money and lifestyle are irresistible.

[Neeranam]

No disrespect, can I ask is anyone here married to or dating a current or former bargirl. You may have interesting insight into the matter. Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Thailand

Yeah Kanga, I've been married to an ex GOGO girl for 5 years. Best wife I've ever had.

Her family were dirt poor, not from Isan, 2 generations born in a tin shed in a squalid soi behind a temple in Ratchaburi.

Family survived by collecting plastic, paper, glass.

Raped when 12 yo by local scum, left school and home at 13 because of emotional probs from rape, gave birth to first child at 14 to boy whose family took her in, he became meth addict.

At age 18 after years of struggle she was approached to go to work in Singapore ( 4 Floors ) Life finally improved ! After 3 years bought first house. Her 10 years of work before I met her improved the life of her whole family.

This is a true story, I have met all of the people in her story, she has photos to back her story, I have spent Songkrans with the relatives still living in the tin shed.

She had no other options. Who would employ an unmarried, uneducated mother of 2? no one. No social security in this country!

Having said all of that, my wife is a beautiful and intelligent woman, how else would she have managed to seperate so much cash from so many tight arsed farang over so many years.

Her only motivation was to care for her kids and give them a better life, which she has done.

I respect her and everything she has achieved and I'm happy to support her and the kids (we now have 4) we have a genuine and loving relationship based on honesty and earned trust.

To each his own, but to any who may choose to denigrate the people who choose to work in the sex industry, I say, who are you to talk, till you've walked in their shoes.

And to all you flaming, nit picking, holier than thou wowser types out there, this is my life and I'm happy with it so post away, your opinions mean didly to me!

I am amazed, not only at what you've done but also putting it on a public forum. Do you think your wife would respect you for telling us all about her past. Have you any self-respect?

Would you marry the equivalent woman in your own culture?

Intelligent for squeezing all that money out of 'farang'? How can you believe she has stopped? 5 years is NOT a long time.

The reality about 'farang' marrying prostitutes is that they come here and don't realize how far down the social ladder these girls are. They think it is normal for Thai people to live in a tin shed and approve of their daughters prostituting themselves. They are clueless and naive and these 'intelligent' girls see it a mile off. They only know the bar scene.

[thailiketoo]

When it comes to money, for people that are fixated on getting more, there is never enough.

IMO most BGs are much more empowered and have a lot more dignity and control over their life than if they pursued most of the other options open to them given their background.

And it's not just a few that hit the jackpot and end up happily married overseas.

Sorry, you are deluded. Bar girls and dignity?

Stanford ran one of San Francisco's most notorious brothels. San Francisco Chronicle columnist Herb Caen, writing about the UN, said "the United Nations was founded at Sally Stanford's whorehouse," because of the number of delegates to the organization's 1945 San Francisco founding conference who were Stanford customers; many actual, if informal, negotiating sessions took place in the brothel's living room.

[FiftyTwo]

Would you marry the equivalent woman in your own culture?

Not a question of "would you" for most of us, more a question of "could you afford to".

As for "social status", foreigners have none in Thailand, and I was never that bothered about it when I had it.

Edited January 18, 2014 by FiftyTwo

[manarak]

When it comes to money, for people that are fixated on getting more, there is never enough.

IMO most BGs are much more empowered and have a lot more dignity and control over their life than if they pursued most of the other options open to them given their background.

And it's not just a few that hit the jackpot and end up happily married overseas.

Sorry, you are deluded. Bar girls and dignity?

Dignity:

1.

the state or quality of being worthy of honor or respect.

Wikipedia: Dignity is a term used in moral, ethical, legal, and political discussions to signify that a being has an innate right to be valued and receive ethical treatment.

Bargirls and dignity?

Yes, absolutely, unless they lose it because of other reasons such as thieving, scamming, etc.

If you think prostitutes are not worthy of respect, I would rather question your moralistic view of sex.

Edited January 18, 2014 by manarak

[Neeranam]

When it comes to money, for people that are fixated on getting more, there is never enough.

IMO most BGs are much more empowered and have a lot more dignity and control over their life than if they pursued most of the other options open to them given their background.

And it's not just a few that hit the jackpot and end up happily married overseas.

Sorry, you are deluded. Bar girls and dignity?

Dignity:

1.

the state or quality of being worthy of honor or respect.

Wikipedia: Dignity is a term used in moral, ethical, legal, and political discussions to signify that a being has an innate right to be valued and receive ethical treatment.

Bargirls and dignity?

Yes, absolutely, unless they lose it because of other reasons such as thieving, scamming, etc.

If you think prostitutes are not worthy of respect, I would rather question your moralistic view of sex.

I think you misunderstand me. Nothing wrong with being a prostitute.

But here is a difference between the typical low class Pattaya Bar Girl from Isarn(normally) and the non tourist area prostitute. Last time I walked down Soi 4 in Sukhumvit I couldn't believe the ugly 30-40 year olds hanging outside in the bars. They are there to SCAM foreigners. They are not there as they enjoy it.

Why do you NEVER see groups of Thai men down there? Because they know the type of woman there. I know the type of woman there. But Joe the plumber from Bradford, Brisbane or Baltimore doesn't.

Edited January 18, 2014 by Neeranam

[manarak]

When it comes to money, for people that are fixated on getting more, there is never enough.

IMO most BGs are much more empowered and have a lot more dignity and control over their life than if they pursued most of the other options open to them given their background.

And it's not just a few that hit the jackpot and end up happily married overseas.

Sorry, you are deluded. Bar girls and dignity?

Dignity:

1.

the state or quality of being worthy of honor or respect.

Wikipedia: Dignity is a term used in moral, ethical, legal, and political discussions to signify that a being has an innate right to be valued and receive ethical treatment.

Bargirls and dignity?

Yes, absolutely, unless they lose it because of other reasons such as thieving, scamming, etc.

If you think prostitutes are not worthy of respect, I would rather question your moralistic view of sex.

I think you misunderstand me. Nothing wrong with being a prostitute.

But here is a difference between the typical low class Pattaya Bar Girl from Isarn(normally) and the non tourist area prostitute. Last time I walked down Soi 4 in Sukhumvit I couldn't believe the ugly 30-40 year olds hanging outside in the bars. They are there to SCAM foreigners. They are not there as they enjoy it.

Why do you NEVER see groups of Thai men down there? Because they know the type of woman there. I know the type of woman there. But Joe the plumber from Bradford, Brisbane or Baltimore doesn't.

Pfff!

Thais have other tastes and better choice, and girls with children don't appeal to them.

The have also many options, with girls who aren't prostitutes.

But if you want to witness the Thai meat market, you have to go elsewhere, check out Phetchaburi road near Phetchaburi Station at night... the girls stand there waiting for customers in cars...

[StreetCowboy]

When it comes to money, for people that are fixated on getting more, there is never enough.

IMO most BGs are much more empowered and have a lot more dignity and control over their life than if they pursued most of the other options open to them given their background.

And it's not just a few that hit the jackpot and end up happily married overseas.

Sorry, you are deluded. Bar girls and dignity?

Dignity:

1.

the state or quality of being worthy of honor or respect.

Wikipedia: Dignity is a term used in moral, ethical, legal, and political discussions to signify that a being has an innate right to be valued and receive ethical treatment.

Bargirls and dignity?

Yes, absolutely, unless they lose it because of other reasons such as thieving, scamming, etc.

If you think prostitutes are not worthy of respect, I would rather question your moralistic view of sex.

I think you misunderstand me. Nothing wrong with being a prostitute.

But here is a difference between the typical low class Pattaya Bar Girl from Isarn(normally) and the non tourist area prostitute. Last time I walked down Soi 4 in Sukhumvit I couldn't believe the ugly 30-40 year olds hanging outside in the bars. They are there to SCAM foreigners. They are not there as they enjoy it.

Why do you NEVER see groups of Thai men down there? Because they know the type of woman there. I know the type of woman there. But Joe the plumber from Bradford, Brisbane or Baltimore doesn't.

I'm surprised at you taking on the prejudices of your adopted country quite so comprehensively. To be fair, I don't think that the ladies in the Golden Beer Bar are in the premier league of their chosen trade. That said, I've rarely been impressed with the moral rectitude of premier league players

SC

[Neeranam]

I'm surprised at you taking on the prejudices of your adopted country quite so comprehensively. To be fair, I don't think that the ladies in the Golden Beer Bar are in the premier league of their chosen trade. That said, I've rarely been impressed with the moral rectitude of premier league players

SC

Very similar to Arabs going to my country and choosing the fat women. But there are fat women in all levels of British society. There aren't many dark-skinned ladies with a "Dtung maeb" down the golf club in Bangkok, well apart from the caddies.

Would I criticize an Arab who stayed many years and started to think that the fat girls were not the most beautiful, or would I think he had come to his senses?

Edited January 18, 2014 by Neeranam

[wym]

When it comes to money, for people that are fixated on getting more, there is never enough.

IMO most BGs are much more empowered and have a lot more dignity and control over their life than if they pursued most of the other options open to them given their background.

And it's not just a few that hit the jackpot and end up happily married overseas.

Sorry, you are deluded. Bar girls and dignity?

Absolutely. You have contempt for people for the choices they make about how to live their lives and what they do with their own body.

I prefer to grant every human being as much respect and dignity as I can within my own heart, and don't think people's choices about their sexuality is a "moral" issue.

Many lawyers, wall street bankers etc I consider much less worthy of respect than most sex workers I've met no matter how much money they might have.

And low-paid sweatshop factory employment is just as if not more demeaning, soul-crushing work.

[Somsrisonphimai]

I think there's a lot more honor in being a high-end escort/call girl than what most lawyers and wall street types get up to.

It's an honest profession, I don't know why people give them a hard time. Personally, I won't do it, I'll go clean the BG's house and her sponsers first, 555.

A few years back, I was in Phuket and Koh Samui for vacations, I was proposition by quite a few farang men. They were asking me how much I would charge them to have dinner and spend the night with them, so I said to them you are insulting me. It happened when I was walking on the beach and was at the hotel lounge, and they weren't old men either. I hate it when people think of Thailand, they think sex.

[StreetCowboy]

I think there's a lot more honor in being a high-end escort/call girl than what most lawyers and wall street types get up to.

It's an honest profession, I don't know why people give them a hard time. Personally, I won't do it, I'll go clean the BG's house and her sponsers first, 555.

A few years back, I was in Phuket and Koh Samui for vacations, I was proposition by quite a few farang men. They were asking me how much I would charge them to have dinner and spend the night with them, so I said to them you are insulting me. It happened when I was walking on the beach and was at the hotel lounge, and they weren't old men either. I hate it when people think of Thailand, they think sex.

So why were you insulted, rather than flattered?

[Somsrisonphimai]

I think there's a lot more honor in being a high-end escort/call girl than what most lawyers and wall street types get up to.

It's an honest profession, I don't know why people give them a hard time. Personally, I won't do it, I'll go clean the BG's house and her sponsers first, 555.

A few years back, I was in Phuket and Koh Samui for vacations, I was proposition by quite a few farang men. They were asking me how much I would charge them to have dinner and spend the night with them, so I said to them you are insulting me. It happened when I was walking on the beach and was at the hotel lounge, and they weren't old men either. I hate it when people think of Thailand, they think sex.

So why were you insulted, rather than flattered?

Hello, how can I be flattered by that type of proposition? I would be flattered if they were courting me as normal.

[oogster8]

Would you marry the equivalent woman in your own culture?

Not a question of "would you" for most of us, more a question of "could you afford to".

As for "social status", foreigners have none in Thailand, and I was never that bothered about it when I had it.

the only thing lower than a prostitute is their customer. chickens have higher standing than both hooker and john-you can eat the chicken...........lol.

[oogster8]

I think there's a lot more honor in being a high-end escort/call girl than what most lawyers and wall street types get up to.

It's an honest profession, I don't know why people give them a hard time. Personally, I won't do it, I'll go clean the BG's house and her sponsers first, 555.

A few years back, I was in Phuket and Koh Samui for vacations, I was proposition by quite a few farang men. They were asking me how much I would charge them to have dinner and spend the night with them, so I said to them you are insulting me. It happened when I was walking on the beach and was at the hotel lounge, and they weren't old men either. I hate it when people think of Thailand, they think sex.

really there is nothing special about thailand other than its SEX industry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! get used to it honey!

[manarak]

I think there's a lot more honor in being a high-end escort/call girl than what most lawyers and wall street types get up to.

It's an honest profession, I don't know why people give them a hard time. Personally, I won't do it, I'll go clean the BG's house and her sponsers first, 555.

A few years back, I was in Phuket and Koh Samui for vacations, I was proposition by quite a few farang men. They were asking me how much I would charge them to have dinner and spend the night with them, so I said to them you are insulting me. It happened when I was walking on the beach and was at the hotel lounge, and they weren't old men either. I hate it when people think of Thailand, they think sex.

So why were you insulted, rather than flattered?

Hello, how can I be flattered by that type of proposition? I would be flattered if they were courting me as normal.

I agree, it is a question of tact, which many people don't have.

A simple question asking what you are doing in Phuket would clear up the situation.

... on the other hand, how would you react to a proposal to have a one night stand?

Most women react offended, although there is no reason for doing so.

[manarak]

Would you marry the equivalent woman in your own culture?

Not a question of "would you" for most of us, more a question of "could you afford to".

As for "social status", foreigners have none in Thailand, and I was never that bothered about it when I had it.

the only thing lower than a prostitute is their customer. chickens have higher standing than both hooker and john-you can eat the chicken...........lol.

555

lower standing... higher standing... which standing do you mean? on what ladder except your own?

[StreetCowboy]

If somebody said "You look like a good plumber, can you mend my pipes", I'd not feel insulted.

All I can assume is that Somsironphimai was trying to mislead us about her prejudice or lack thereof against prostitutes.

Lots of us lie about our prejudices and bigotries - and many more of us are mistaken in our own understanding of them

SC

[Somsrisonphimai]

If somebody said "You look like a good plumber, can you mend my pipes", I'd not feel insulted.

All I can assume is that Somsironphimai was trying to mislead us about her prejudice or lack thereof against prostitutes.

Lots of us lie about our prejudices and bigotries - and many more of us are mistaken in our own understanding of them

SC

555...you are twisting my point of view! Not every Thai women are sex workers, for those men to made that type of proposal was disrepectful and insulted to women. Would they go and make that kind of proposal to the women in their homeland, they would get slapped on their face, right? I have nothing against those bar girls, actually, I am kind of admired them that they are able to do what they do.

[StreetCowboy]

If somebody said "You look like a good plumber, can you mend my pipes", I'd not feel insulted.

All I can assume is that Somsironphimai was trying to mislead us about her prejudice or lack thereof against prostitutes.

Lots of us lie about our prejudices and bigotries - and many more of us are mistaken in our own understanding of them

SC

555...you are twisting my point of view! Not every Thai women are sex workers, for those men to made that type of proposal was disrepectful and insulted to women. Would they go and make that kind of proposal to the women in their homeland, they would get slapped on their face, right? I have nothing against those bar girls, actually, I am kind of admired them that they are able to do what they do.

But still, you think that to be called a prostitute is an insult. Do you think it is an insult to be called a doctor? So do you really admire them for what they can do?

SC

[marko kok prong]

laziness,chance to meet a rich falang,and selling your self for sex in asia,especially thailand,has no negative conotations as it does in the west,because they were not raised under christian [roman catholic doctrine ] that says sex for pleasure is wrong and should only be for procreation,ye gods,if any one is wrong on this it's the christian west,and islam,who worship the same god,hindu culture and indochinese culture is very different,they see no wrong in it is buisness, and if they snare a husband,great buisness,why do western guys fail to realise this,sure ,she may love you,but she loves your wallet more,but what is different from the west,nothing,only your thai wife is more uncomplicated,looks after you better,and gives more sex,and if she don't, well you can get another,as long as there is money in the wallet.

[Somsrisonphimai]

If somebody said "You look like a good plumber, can you mend my pipes", I'd not feel insulted.

All I can assume is that Somsironphimai was trying to mislead us about her prejudice or lack thereof against prostitutes.

Lots of us lie about our prejudices and bigotries - and many more of us are mistaken in our own understanding of them

SC

555...you are twisting my point of view! Not every Thai women are sex workers, for those men to made that type of proposal was disrepectful and insulted to women. Would they go and make that kind of proposal to the women in their homeland, they would get slapped on their face, right? I have nothing against those bar girls, actually, I am kind of admired them that they are able to do what they do.

But still, you think that to be called a prostitute is an insult. Do you think it is an insult to be called a doctor? So do you really admire them for what they can do?

SC

I don't believe I can entertrain many men in one night. To have sex with multiple men in one night and every night must be hard on the body and mind, so yeah I admire them to be able to do it and cope with it.

[cornishcarlos]

I think there's a lot more honor in being a high-end escort/call girl than what most lawyers and wall street types get up to.

It's an honest profession, I don't know why people give them a hard time. Personally, I won't do it, I'll go clean the BG's house and her sponsers first, 555.

A few years back, I was in Phuket and Koh Samui for vacations, I was proposition by quite a few farang men. They were asking me how much I would charge them to have dinner and spend the night with them, so I said to them you are insulting me. It happened when I was walking on the beach and was at the hotel lounge, and they weren't old men either. I hate it when people think of Thailand, they think sex.

You think it's an honest profession and don't know why people give them a hard time, yet are insulted if someone assumes you are a BG !!

Bit of a contradiction there...

It's only an honest profession if the girls are honest, try telling that to the 1000s that get scammed by them every night.

But a fool is easily parted from their money..

[David48]

Kangabollox have you ever been with a BarGirl?

Kangabollox have you ever been with a BarGirl Thailand?

I'll give you this though ... one of your better trolling imaginative OP's.

Your writing style is improving, a little bit less formulaic.

One could be mistaken that this was even 'ghost written' ... or pinched from another Forum.

Either way ... a much better style ...

Oh ... how is life back in Australia ... been following the Tennis?

Any Thai's still in the comp?

Cheers

[oogster8]

If somebody said "You look like a good plumber, can you mend my pipes", I'd not feel insulted.

All I can assume is that Somsironphimai was trying to mislead us about her prejudice or lack thereof against prostitutes.

Lots of us lie about our prejudices and bigotries - and many more of us are mistaken in our own understanding of them

SC

555...you are twisting my point of view! Not every Thai women are sex workers, for those men to made that type of proposal was disrepectful and insulted to women. Would they go and make that kind of proposal to the women in their homeland, they would get slapped on their face, right? I have nothing against those bar girls, actually, I am kind of admired them that they are able to do what they do.

But still, you think that to be called a prostitute is an insult. Do you think it is an insult to be called a doctor? So do you really admire them for what they can do?

SC

I don't believe I can entertrain many men in one night. To have sex with multiple men in one night and every night must be hard on the body and mind, so yeah I admire them to be able to do it and cope with it.

very hard on BOTH counts. it does take a special skill set. i do think at the end they do cum out very damaged though.

can someone tell me how a girl is groomed to be a prostitute. does the mom just have guys cum over and DO her daughter to get in the swing of things.

Edited January 19, 2014 by oogster8

[FiftyTwo]

I think there's a lot more honor in being a high-end escort/call girl than what most lawyers and wall street types get up to.

It's an honest profession, I don't know why people give them a hard time. Personally, I won't do it, I'll go clean the BG's house and her sponsers first, 555.

A few years back, I was in Phuket and Koh Samui for vacations, I was proposition by quite a few farang men. They were asking me how much I would charge them to have dinner and spend the night with them, so I said to them you are insulting me. It happened when I was walking on the beach and was at the hotel lounge, and they weren't old men either. I hate it when people think of Thailand, they think sex.

So why were you insulted, rather than flattered?

Hello, how can I be flattered by that type of proposition? I would be flattered if they were courting me as normal.

You want them to go to your parents and offer them money for you?

[thailiketoo]

I don't believe I can entertrain many men in one night. To have sex with multiple men in one night and every night must be hard on the body and mind, so yeah I admire them to be able to do it and cope with it.

I had a friend who lived in Pattaya. One morning a mother arrived in his home with an 18 year old daughter by the ear. The mother was dragging the daughter by the ear. Screaming to my friend so all the neighbors could hear. She has sex with every boy in the village for free. Might as well come Pattaya and get paid for it. Mother was obviously overacting. Things worked out in the end. In addition to her one skill set the young lady could also sing and got a decent job at a club in Patts.

[Somsrisonphimai]

I don't believe I can entertrain many men in one night. To have sex with multiple men in one night and every night must be hard on the body and mind, so yeah I admire them to be able to do it and cope with it.

I had a friend who lived in Pattaya. One morning a mother arrived in his home with an 18 year old daughter by the ear. The mother was dragging the daughter by the ear. Screaming to my friend so all the neighbors could hear. She has sex with every boy in the village for free. Might as well come Pattaya and get paid for it. Mother was obviously overacting. Things worked out in the end. In addition to her one skill set the young lady could also sing and got a decent job at a club in Patts.

My cousin owned a bar in Phuket. She has helped a lot of girls. Most of her girls have met their foreigners BF/husband and got out of the bar scene.

Edited January 19, 2014 by Somsrisonphimai