Two explosions rock Bangkok, Victory Monument and Rajvith Hospital

[zydeco]

Reading some of the tosh in this forum, it beggars belief that so many of you seem to know the inside workings of this country. It's actually pitiful how little factual information you lend to a discussion...just mindless gossip and hearsay which contributes nothing. Do try and keep up or at the very least, read a newspaper (try the commentaries...those are the wordy-articles which usually have no pictures to break it up - and hence a little daunting for some) - or watch the local news occasionally and then be a little more informed with the facts.

Well, excuse us all so much, Little Lord Fauntleroy

[LuckyLew]

I have lost track of how many "grenade" reported bombings there have been in the last week or so. But tell me, o wise ones, is the term "grenade" being used in error by low intelligence level reporters, or do they now sell grenades at the local 7-Elevens in Bangkok? If so why not supply the security guards with several to lob back at the original attacker.

Honest to goodness grenades, were do they get them? I don´t knowñ but there have not been any further details about the group of people arrested a few days ago carrying the same type of grenades as have been used.

That is because they have been freed because they said they didn't do anything wrong and that the 4 grenades and ammo were just for personal protection and the police accepted this without delay and issued a statement that these people were totally innocent of all and any involvement in attacks on protesters and they had 'honorable' intentions.

This is why the police are NOT trusted. Personally I hope that the entire police force is replaced once Suthep wins, and he will win.

Too funny .... carrying grenades for your own protection ... Gotta be a TAT slogan in there somewhere

[smutcakes]

Remind me where I heard a political party address a crowd of it's followers from a stage and order an attack on a hospital(Siriraj IIRC), as well as the actual storming of another hospital. It fits a pattern although I am at a loss as to why team rouge feel the need to attack hospitals, don't suppose many of their members took the hippocratic oath?

As one with no sympathy with any side in this confliict, I can see that there is ample evidence from the video below that the first grenade attack was very fishy. The PDRC are claiming that this was thrown into the street, but from the video you can see that the man in the cap quickly disappears behind the telegraph pole (though you have to play it through again a few times to locate him and trace his movements). His identity is one question, but his behaviour is very suspicious to say the least. Remember, too, that the protest route was changed late in the day and it adds up not to evidence of WHO is guilty, but at least evidence that the official PDRC explanation does not hold much water, and points to a conspiracy of some sort.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIKQhqmukN4

Having said that, the film is too grainy to come to any firm conclusions other than that this was not a thrown grenade but a dropped one. Whoever is guilty, though, cowardice runs through their veins instead of blood so they truly are yellow, whatever political colours they wear.

Not to mention ex Democrat MP Kowit Tharana has admitted it is his subordinates truck in the video which the men get out of to.

[metisdead]

Posts advocating more violence have been removed. Off topic posts and replies have been removed as well.

[icare999]

From a member 20 minutes ago:

Thai news reports bomb attack at Victory Monument.

An unknown man was seen throwing two bombs in to crowds of people. The protesters tried to apprehend the assailant but were shot at it.

Source was Nation TV.

More reason for the guards to be permitted to be armed.

Do people seriously expect the protesters to whistle at an armed attacker? I hope they get him and expose him for what he is.... A THAKSIN paid terrorist.

....There are real people out there protesting what they believe in and getting killed or seriously injured....

As I watch the live protests on TNN I noticed these people are dragging their children into the midst of the protests.

Every parent who takes a child into this mayhem should be arrested and jailed on child endangerment. This is just another example of how thoughtless and uncaring these people are for those whom they inconvenience or endanger, including their own families.

This thoughtless act alone shows the true colors of these protesters.

Sent from my tin can via string

did you not see reds shirt in 2010 putting their little kids on top of barriers as human shields and why should it be dangerous to do a peaceful protest and it has been peaceful on protesters side Red thugs are ones with a long history of terrorism and violence

All it needs for this to stop is for one mad megalomaniac to do what is right for a change and be content with billions he's stolen instead of trying to turn Thailand into his own one party state

Of course he and his clone Yingluk and rest have no shame whatever and could not care less as long as they have total power and can take whatever they want do whatever they want and anyone who complains will be dealt with by their red thugs

As far as high season is concerned theirs a hell of a lot more at stake than that theirs future of Thailand at stake but if Taksin gets his way their will be no future or only one were freedom is non existent and Thailand sinks into same sort of pitiful mess North Korea or Zimbabwie are in just because of one man

[NormanChomsky]

Remind me where I heard a political party address a crowd of it's followers from a stage and order an attack on a hospital(Siriraj IIRC), as well as the actual storming of another hospital. It fits a pattern although I am at a loss as to why team rouge feel the need to attack hospitals, don't suppose many of their members took the hippocratic oath?

its just as likely to be yellow attackers as it is reds

[robblok]

certain;y not safe to have kiddies there...one crowd panic could be awful

I agree these protesters are risking their lives to oust this corrupt government while being set upon by thug's and the goverment as expected has not caught a single one.

No kids should be there.. the government will become more desperate and more acts will follow. The government is loosing on all sides.. farmers want them out.. corruption investigations.. a rice scam ready to explode. Where I come from we have a saying that a cornered animal (the government) will do strange and dangerous things.

So keep the kids out of there.

This has to be a great example of one the most piss poor attempts to turn a reasonably expressed concern into political ammnunition......

Just explaining why kids should not be there.. in normal demonstrations kids are safe.. not here you can fill in the reasons. It is the governments job to keep this safe even if they are against the government they are failing.. the question.. is it on purpose.

[looping]

My question is this:

How can 6 people who have thrown grenades into crowds in the center of a capital city, with, I presume, CCTV cameras everywhere, simply disappear on motorbikes?

Maybe I've missed something, but surely whoever is in charge of the CCTV could easily track the culprits and, with police assistance, catch them.

How could this come to pass???

Indeed, you may think that such a brazen act would only be carried out by people who had assurance of safe passage.

[diceq]

I feel bad for anyone here who thinks an UNELECTED council to choose the government is a good idea. Name another country besides dictatorships that does this .... Sent from my SM-N900 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Ignoring the fact it is already run by a dictatorship.

So you should go and update Wikipedia then. Let me know how that works out for you.

[farangbanok]

poisonus

Do people seriously expect the protesters to whistle at an armed attacker? I hope they get him and expose him for what he is.... A THAKSIN paid terrorist.

You obviously have conclusive proof of this libellous statement.

I guess your "very" good buddy Suthep emailed it to you!

Incidentally if reports are to be believed about grenade throwing then arming the guards will be good for the Thaksin clan. "Friendly Fire" will probably take out the remaining protesters.

[robblok]

If you are going to use human shields, do it the right way - the RED SHIRT way!

I was looking for those pics could not find them. Thanks

[LarryBird]

Which team are you guys on?

[3NUMBAS]

agent provocateurs sent by suthep backers to stir up trouble IMO

plus theres millions of peed off businessmen who would like to see him and his cronies on the morgue slabs

[Chao Lao Beach]

Dejvu of mongrels storming hospital's. Why don't decent Thais just wipe em out ?

[whybother]

With the increased security measures after yesterday's grenade attack it is very surprising that an armed assailant can wander into the area (very close to the stage) & throw a grenade, before escaping. Making anyone wonder?

I was just near the Asoke stage. They can stop people getting within a few metres but you could get close enough to throw something onto the stage if you wanted to. These guys didn't seem to get that close. They can't stop people wandering around the protest areas.

[bunny11kk]

From a member 20 minutes ago:

Thai news reports bomb attack at Victory Monument.

An unknown man was seen throwing two bombs in to crowds of people. The protesters tried to apprehend the assailant but were shot at it.

Source was Nation TV.

More reason for the guards to be permitted to be armed.

Do people seriously expect the protesters to whistle at an armed attacker? I hope they get him and expose him for what he is.... A THAKSIN paid terrorist.

....There are real people out there protesting what they believe in and getting killed or seriously injured....

As I watch the live protests on TNN I noticed these people are dragging their children into the midst of the protests.

Every parent who takes a child into this mayhem should be arrested and jailed on child endangerment. This is just another example of how thoughtless and uncaring these people are for those whom they inconvenience or endanger, including their own families.

This thoughtless act alone shows the true colors of these protesters.

Sent from my tin can via string

A lot of people should be put in jail and there are piorities!

[slipperylobster]

Does not seem to be improving...as many posters thought it would when this first started. In fact, all the elements are in place right now to invoke special (military) law. All these attacks are just going to do wonders in keeping tourists from flocking in. Domino effect for sure.

[atsiii]

Question: what is the probability that these attacks on the anti-government protesters are being staged by the anti-government protesters? It seems clear that the first grenade attack, where the police were kept away and evidence was taken or altered before an investigation, was staged. So, what about this one; since they don't care about loosing a few martyrs to the cause? IMO the whole purpose of these false flag attacks may be to give the Army an excuse for a coup. But, this time... I think they may be playing with the possibility of a real civil war. I mean, how many times can you throw out an elected government under false pretenses, before the majority who keeps electing them decides to fight? I myself am worried.

[SOTIRIOS]

....organized...armed..... free passage....no fear of consequences....

...what does it spell......

[Gjk7777]

Where were the police when all this was going on ?

Someone throwing some sort of bomb then running or riding a motorbike shooting at those chasing him.

Surely there must have been some cops somewhere along his escape route.

Too busy playing Hi Lo!

[Stradavarius37]

....organized...armed..... free passage....no fear of consequences....

...what does it spell......

nothing? lol

[pipkins]

Meanwhile redshirt terrorists threatened to burn Bangkok to the ground (but only succeeded in torching 59 buildings), fired rockets at the BTS, and much more, inspired by a leader who was behind thousands of extra-judicial killings not to mention the Krue-Se and Tak Bai massacres.

How many red-shirts died during that time when military was lead by Suthep and Abhishit. Around 100 red-shirts. Live bullets were used.

Red-shirts were however more violent but when your people start to die by fire do u think that torching buildings in that kind of situation is somehow justified? Althought I dont remember which one started first. Killing people by army or torching.

From what I recall it was the reds firing grenades indiscriminately at people, dragging soldiers from cars/trucks before viciously assaulting them, storming hospitals that came first.

So by the time you arrived in Bangkok you had missed 17 coups, countless overthrows of democracy and the PAD seige which was the same as Now. Some Elites fascists send the protesters out with the army there to protect them

Also, by the time the redshirts got ugly, the Army had already made a full out armed assult with tracked vehicles guns etc. at Pan Fah Bridge. From day one it was attacked and they allowed a mob to form every night near the skytrain and throw missiles at them. Hence the baricades.

The reds were never allowed to protest, and because they are the victims of so much injustice there are even websited dedicated to it.

BTW, latest pics in are of a gargage collecter almost beaten to death by the PDRC guards. looking at the pic, they must have hit him more than 100 times with sticks etc. His entire body is coverd. Lets hope one day these thugs are taken off the streets for a long time and maybe sent to guard your condo block. See how you like them.

[Chao Lao Beach]

From a member 20 minutes ago:

Thai news reports bomb attack at Victory Monument.

An unknown man was seen throwing two bombs in to crowds of people. The protesters tried to apprehend the assailant but were shot at it.

Source was Nation TV.

More reason for the guards to be permitted to be armed.

Do people seriously expect the protesters to whistle at an armed attacker? I hope they get him and expose him for what he is.... A THAKSIN paid terrorist.

That maybe going a bit far, considering the number of paid voters, previous protestors, rioters and Bangers Burners. A bit of a logistical nightmare really. Best to let sleep let the next round play out Anyway, next.....

[smutcakes]

Does not seem to be improving...as many posters thought it would when this first started. In fact, all the elements are in place right now to invoke special (military) law. All these attacks are just going to do wonders in keeping tourists from flocking in. Domino effect for sure.

Suthep and his cronies have nearly raised the violence to levels where the army will come in and 'save' the day. Then it is job done for Suthep.

I simply cannot understand how so many brain dead yellow shirts on here cannot see what is happening. Hate Thaksin by all means, get him out of politics is great, but is this really the way to do it which will do anything other than create more and more turmoil? each time getting more and more dangerous, and pushing more and more people towards TS nominee parties.

As i have always said, this whole charade is far more than being about corruption, vote buying etc, it is literally life and death for some very important (self appointed), as Khun Voranai alludes to in his peace in the other paper today.

[khunJeroen]

Why is Suthep not bombed.

[joboss]

Where were the police when all this was going on ?

Someone throwing some sort of bomb then running or riding a motorbike shooting at those chasing him.

Surely there must have been some cops somewhere along his escape route.

My knowledge from following the protests for the past couple of months is that the police are not carrying arms.

What would you do if you were on the scene and unarmed?

[nickynomates]

A coward would use a grenade and just wondering why you would do this in daylight again.

You get better press coverage me thinks.

Keep safe all.

[LivinLOS]

I feel bad for anyone here who thinks an UNELECTED council to choose the government is a good idea. Name another country besides dictatorships that does this .... Sent from my SM-N900 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

I feel bad for anyone here who thinks an ELECTED PTP government is a good idea. Guess we have a dilemma, haven't we?

We do.. So lets put it to a vote..

Ohh hang on..

[MW72]

Yes being ellected gives a government the power to rape and pillage the states coffers and hand out justice aimed at getting one man home.. OH i forgot they also make up fake G2G transactions to cover their tracks .. or even worse buy the rice cheap and resell it to the government again(also possible)

In a normal democraty the government would step down and let the corruption be investigated while those who are being investigated stay far away and usually step down during the investigation.

Guess what... this elected government does not do that.. its as democratic as Russia / North Korea / Iran

What a ridiculous post. In Russia youcan not express freely your opinion. Gays are being haunted. Iran is a medieval Moslim regime where people get hanged for nothing. N Korea you can not move around freely. Thailand is open one can express his opnions travel without restrictions. Change jobs. Chose to live the life you want. The comparison is sick and insane. Here is no regime or dictatorship. In contrary.......

Shameless hypocrites is what they are. In the U.S there is legalized corruption called lobbying. And no one is stepping down there. Spain just had a major scandal were the treasure of state has been sent to prison for corruption, and the president did not step down.

There seems to be corruption in all types of societies and governments including the western governments. It seems no matter how rich some people are tthey will always want more. I believe this to be a human fault and not down to any particular belief or political leaning.

The difference between the UK (where I am from so I can speak from experience) and a country like Thailand is the level to which corruption seeps into every level of society. Yes there are corrupt businessmen and politicians in the UK but due to our laws and a whistle blower culture there will be fewer of them and when caught out they are punished (some would say not enough). If pulled over by the police for a driving offence in the UK you will not be able to offer him money to make him forget it. If you do you will end up in a cell for the night before going to court the next day. From what I read it is common in Thailand to pay off the cops to let you go on your way. I am sure that as democracy evolves in Thailand then the level of corruption will diminish however it is a cancer which has to be fought and that starts at the top with politicians from all sides. No one should be above the law.

[LarryBird]

Does not seem to be improving...as many posters thought it would when this first started. In fact, all the elements are in place right now to invoke special (military) law. All these attacks are just going to do wonders in keeping tourists from flocking in. Domino effect for sure.

As i have always said, this whole charade is far more than being about corruption, vote buying etc, it is literally life and death for some very important (self appointed), as Khun Voranai alludes to in his peace in the other paper today.

I just found out about him the other day.. Is this guy embraced here? I think his writing is brilliant. What do others think?