Survey: Most Thais will go to vote, oppose coup

[tomross46]

Especially if they are paid,who's going to refuse 500 bht. ?

regards Worgeordie

You're either not good at math or a liar.

Diceq, You must be new to SEA or very naive. Thailand is like the USA best government money can buy.

[Robby nz]

Especially if they are paid,who's going to refuse 500 bht. ?

regards Worgeordie

But as Korn admitted (as posted many times without some reading it), the Democrats paid out more than PTP last time around - so the pickings will be slimmer now with them not running!

As to not voting resulting in a lost vote, that is not so fanciful if the 'People's Council' replaces the elected Parliament.

But I think the usual suspects really knew these things already.

He didn't say they paid more to the people that's just red BS.

What he said was they spent more on election campaigning than PT.

PT just relied on unsustainable promises which are now coming back to haunt them.

[nakhonandy]

Trouble is, in Thailand, if you don't vote in an election, you loose your right to vote in the following, or at least, that is what the uneducated, in the North are made to believe here. I wouldn't count on it being true, but people up here believe it is, so of course, they will vote, because they think, they will loose there voting privileges for the future, if they don't vote in this election.

They vote because they are scared they`ll loose the right or because they`re paid? Make your mind up <deleted>

BTW Bangkok and the South has just as many uneducated people as "the North," the idea that once you pass Korat everyone becomes retarded is nothing more than a myth. Indeed some of Thailands best Universities hail from the region. Incidentally the reason many from that said region can now afford to go to University is due to a corrupt politician called Thaskin.

Interesting this arguement comes up all the time with no basis behind it.

I live in central Thailand and have never heard from anyone in the village about either of the getting paid or the losing of voters rights, garbage!

This government keeps getting elected as it tries to do more for rural Thailand, education, health etc.

OK they sometimes get it completely wrong, rice pledge for example but they do try.

Argueing that they are corrpt and the democrats are not brings tears to my eyes.

[teetersb]

Trouble is, in Thailand, if you don't vote in an election, you loose your right to vote in the following, or at least, that is what the uneducated, in the North are made to believe here. I wouldn't count on it being true, but people up here believe it is, so of course, they will vote, because they think, they will loose there voting privileges for the future, if they don't vote in this election.

They vote because they are scared they`ll loose the right or because they`re paid? Make your mind up <deleted>

BTW Bangkok and the South has just as many uneducated people as "the North," the idea that once you pass Korat everyone becomes retarded is nothing more than a myth. Indeed some of Thailands best Universities hail from the region. Incidentally the reason many from that said region can now afford to go to University is due to a corrupt politician called Thaskin.

Interesting this arguement comes up all the time with no basis behind it.

I live in central Thailand and have never heard from anyone in the village about either of the getting paid or the losing of voters rights, garbage!

This government keeps getting elected as it tries to do more for rural Thailand, education, health etc.

OK they sometimes get it completely wrong, rice pledge for example but they do try.

Argueing that they are corrpt and the democrats are not brings tears to my eyes.

I teach Social studies here and the rule is that if you don't vote in the current election you can Not run for a position in the next election. I did not see anything about Not being able to vote, only the stipulation that you can't run for Any position in the next election. So, for those aspiring to be Pu Yai, you'll have to wait until after you vote the next time.

[Mosha]

On the contrary, I believe that more people will turn-out so they can cast a NO vote as to make these elections null and void.

Assuming that there will be an election...........

What? Whats a "no" vote? You understand how an election works right? Its not a referendum.

They have the option to register a no vote. As in non of the above.

[nakhonandy]

Trouble is, in Thailand, if you don't vote in an election, you loose your right to vote in the following, or at least, that is what the uneducated, in the North are made to believe here. I wouldn't count on it being true, but people up here believe it is, so of course, they will vote, because they think, they will loose there voting privileges for the future, if they don't vote in this election.

They vote because they are scared they`ll loose the right or because they`re paid? Make your mind up <deleted>

BTW Bangkok and the South has just as many uneducated people as "the North," the idea that once you pass Korat everyone becomes retarded is nothing more than a myth. Indeed some of Thailands best Universities hail from the region. Incidentally the reason many from that said region can now afford to go to University is due to a corrupt politician called Thaskin.

Interesting this arguement comes up all the time with no basis behind it.

I live in central Thailand and have never heard from anyone in the village about either of the getting paid or the losing of voters rights, garbage!

This government keeps getting elected as it tries to do more for rural Thailand, education, health etc.

OK they sometimes get it completely wrong, rice pledge for example but they do try.

Argueing that they are corrpt and the democrats are not brings tears to my eyes.

I teach Social studies here and the rule is that if you don't vote in the current election you can Not run for a position in the next election. I did not see anything about Not being able to vote, only the stipulation that you can't run for Any position in the next election. So, for those aspiring to be Pu Yai, you'll have to wait until after you vote the next time.

Exactly.

How many voters do you think want a postion in the party, next to zero.

It is a non arguement.

[penwithcris]

The last refuge of a losing political party is to say that the successful party bought their victory by giving the electorate financial bribes.

There never seems to be hard evidence for this

Assuming that not one single baht changed hands, can any poster who cries 'vote buying' honestly say that the election results would be, in any way, influenced or different?

If no alleged vote buying at the last election would the electorate have returned the Democratic party? Of course they wouldn't. The result would have been exactly the same

So I think it's time for the vote buying brigade to think up some other reason why their preferred political party are failing to get into office

Hypnotism, evil spirits, cloning of voters, invisible ink? Time for Abhisit and Suthep to convene a 'think tank' and 'brainstorm' a few suggestions, although the 'storm' created is unlikely to rustle the papers on their desks

[RPCVguy]

I get tired of the constant comments about bought votes. I know people on each side of this and no matter the side, they take offense to suggest that they or their fellow supporters vote according to cash.

Accusing the other side of doing so... that seems a constant concern.

[Mackie]

It's not only the vote buying. There are many other things which make a mockery out of democracy. For example, Khmer Rouge style red villages. There are around 10,000 villages where people are totally brainwashed into following one party. The do not question, they blindly follow. Between 3-3.5 million people live there. Furthermore, using violence against political opponents. Red mobsters behave in the exactly same way National Socialist Party storm troopers behaved. Those guys still live in 70's. From political point of view, they are totally immature. We're talking infants here, not adults.

[tullynagardy]

On the contrary, I believe that more people will turn-out so they can cast a NO vote as to make these elections null and void.

Assuming that there will be an election...........

What? Whats a "no" vote? You understand how an election works right? Its not a referendum.

They have the option to register a no vote. As in non of the above.

Fair enough, I forgot voting was "compulsory" unlike where I`m from.

That said if more people cast a "no" vote than vote for the government wont that make a mockery of the Dems position? (presumably the said no voters would have voted them given the option.) It would just show they dont want a functioning democracy, just their own little Cabal.

BTW isnt it great how we all are already talking about the election? A few weeks ago everyone said we would never get this far. Democracy is winning, Suthep is loosing

[diceq]

It's not only the vote buying. There are many other things which make a mockery out of democracy. For example, Khmer Rouge style red villages. There are around 10,000 villages where people are totally brainwashed into following one party. The do not question, they blindly follow. Between 3-3.5 million people live there. Furthermore, using violence against political opponents. Red mobsters behave in the exactly same way National Socialist Party storm troopers behaved. Those guys still live in 70's. From political point of view, they are totally immature. We're talking infants here, not adults.

"The[y] do not question, they blindly follow."

Kinda like the fascist yellow shirt supporters on this forum you mean?

"Furthermore, using violence against political opponents. Red mobsters behave in the exactly same way National Socialist Party storm troopers behaved."

And fascist yellow shirt thugs do as well. Given that they are fascist, and the red shirts are not, your comparison with Nazis would be much better applied to the former.

[Emptyset]

It's not only the vote buying. There are many other things which make a mockery out of democracy. For example, Khmer Rouge style red villages. There are around 10,000 villages where people are totally brainwashed into following one party. The do not question, they blindly follow. Between 3-3.5 million people live there. Furthermore, using violence against political opponents. Red mobsters behave in the exactly same way National Socialist Party storm troopers behaved. Those guys still live in 70's. From political point of view, they are totally immature. We're talking infants here, not adults.

Why do people always talk about red villages - which is entirely symbolic and pretty meaningless in the scheme of things - and not talk about how the Democrats always take the Southern provinces by over 60% of the vote? What's the difference? Issan is more pluralistic and competitive, the fact that people keep going on about PDRC supporters from Issan should surely be proof of that. Why not focus on the South for once - where school directors who're believed by the local PDRC to be red are being chased out of town? They're behaving like the National Socialist Party storm troopers. People vote for Democrat candidates because the elders tell them to. And if you don't vote Democrat, you can expect the PDRC enforcers paying you a visit - even if you're peacefully trying to pray to Allah in your mosque. Nothing is sacred for these guys. If you're not out there whistling for Kamnan Suthep, you don't belong in the South or even in Thailand at all, according to their line of thought. What could be more fascist than that?

(Am employing deliberate hyperbole here - I do not believe exaggerated comparisons to "storm troopers" are useful. Although if you subtract that stuff, there's a degree of truth to it, at least as much as there is in Mackie's statement. It almost seems as though if the reds throw some paper at someone, it's worse than the holocaust whereas PDRC chase a guy doing his job out of town = good people performing good deeds?)

[larsjohnsson]

I will go on record and suggest turn-out will be much lower than the poll. Maybe JT can do a Poll about the Poll?

Well upcountry you get 500 Baht for the vote....Husband, Wife, 4 grandparents, 2 grown up kids=4000 Baht.....not bad money

Down south they get even more if they come up and sleep in Bangkoks intersections. And they include free transport, tents, food and drinks Edited January 24, 2014 by larsjohnsson

[diceq]

Let's be frank, posting Khaosod as a source really devalues any debate on this forum. I wouldn't actually be surprised that it's owned by Shins Corporation. That sums up their impartiality and objectivity.

Khaosod is not the source. But the media outlet reporting on it. Why don't you go and read The Nation only if you don't want to read uncomfortable facts?

[pipkins]

A massive sample that, 1,016 out how many elegible people?

That is more than twice the number on any of Sutheps marches this week. 3 times the number on the one in Silom where he told the mob to Zig Zag to greet (take money off) more people

Maybe given that more people agreed with the elections from this sample than Suthep still has with him, we should go with their wishes!!!

[Mackie]

Why do people always talk about red villages - which is entirely symbolic and pretty meaningless in the scheme of things - and not talk about how the Democrats always take the Southern provinces by over 60% of the vote? What's the difference? Issan is more pluralistic and competitive, the fact that people keep going on about PDRC supporters from Issan should surely be proof of that. Why not focus on the South for once - where school directors who're believed by the local PDRC to be red are being chased out of town? They're behaving like the National Socialist Party storm troopers. People vote for Democrat candidates because the elders tell them to. And if you don't vote Democrat, you can expect the PDRC enforcers paying you a visit - even if you're peacefully trying to pray to Allah in your mosque. Nothing is sacred for these guys. If you're not out there whistling for Kamnan Suthep, you don't belong in the South or even in Thailand at all, according to their line of thought. What could be more fascist than that?

(Am employing deliberate hyperbole here - I do not believe exaggerated comparisons to "storm troopers" are useful. Although if you subtract that stuff, there's a degree of truth to it, at least as much as there is in Mackie's statement. It almost seems as though if the reds throw some paper at someone, it's worse than the holocaust whereas PDRC chase a guy doing his job out of town = good people performing good deeds?)

Why not? Find me one example anywhere in the world, apart from the North Korea, or Cambodia under Khmer rouge, where you have residents of 10,000 villages voting as one. It's anomaly, it's not normal. Thailand is not a democracy. The system is open to abuse and Thaksin and his cronies are taking the full advantage of it. The very existence of the country is in question. Thaksin introduced bullying and violence to Thai political scene. Assassinations, kidnappings, hand grenades into people's backyards etc...etc...A question for you. Do you think people like Jatuporn, Nattawut, Kwanchai, Arisman etc...etc... should be allowed to participate in Thai politics? As I said, the very dangerous precedent was made in 2010 because people who were responsible for deaths, terrorism and violence were rewarded. Suthep is only doing to them what they used to do to his administration. With one massive difference, Suthep's followers aren't fully armed, there is no paramilitary formation terrorizing Bangkokians.

[Fryslan boppe]

No election in Thailand ever gets a 79.6% turnout so this survey has not selected a fair representation of the Thai people.

These Polls are conducted by PAD-Dem sympathizers, and often project that agenda, but pretend to represent a balanced public opinion.

So for this Poll to suggest an almost 80% turnout is something they admitted through clenched teeth, and could well be under-represented.

Even struggling to reach for positive feedback about the BKK. Coup-mongers, was difficult for these people to do.

All that said, it is preposterous to think that the election could be delayed, or tampered with...Can you imagine the political black hole Thailand would fall into.....The mainstream media's efforts to normalize these undemocratic pontifications of Suthep and Company just don't cut it. Promoting them to the majority Thai electorate will have little effect, and that electorate will continue to impress.... Impress as they have in the past with their independent voting record in the face of an Elitist Media onslaught.

Edited January 24, 2014 by Fryslan boppe

[Ajaan]

Trouble is, in Thailand, if you don't vote in an election, you loose your right to vote in the following, or at least, that is what the uneducated, in the North are made to believe here. I wouldn't count on it being true, but people up here believe it is, so of course, they will vote, because they think, they will loose there voting privileges for the future, if they don't vote in this election.

And what about so-called "educated people"...assuming their native language is English, do you think they should know how to spell the word LOSE?

[h90]

I will go on record and suggest turn-out will be much lower than the poll. Maybe JT can do a Poll about the Poll?

Well upcountry you get 500 Baht for the vote....Husband, Wife, 4 grandparents, 2 grown up kids=4000 Baht.....not bad money

Down south they get even more if they come up and sleep in Bangkoks intersections. And they include free transport, tents, food and drinks

Can you please tell where to collect the money? Because we know a lot people who came from the south who don't get paid. A few run out of money already.

Yes food is for free.

Yes they can travel for free with the train as the labor union supports the democracy movement and allow free rides to the demonstrations. From Pattaya a couple of businesspeople rent Minivans to go and go back THEMSELF daily, I am sure they would also allow someone without money to ride for free, they would even buy him a Burger on the way.

But I never heard about money, actually Suthep is collecting donations every day...not handing them out. He is wealthy but not rich enough to pay hundred-thousands of people.

[Stone Inscription 1]

I will go on record and suggest turn-out will be much lower than the poll. Maybe JT can do a Poll about the Poll?

Well upcountry you get 500 Baht for the vote....Husband, Wife, 4 grandparents, 2 grown up kids=4000 Baht.....not bad money

And, in the South, how much will the people for voting with the Bangkok Chinese Suthep side?

Edited January 24, 2014 by Stone Inscription 1

[rogerdee123]

It will probably be like the PTP Parliament where one voter can vote for all his absent friends also.

[tsnyder]

Survey: Less Than Half of Thais will go to vote

Suan Dusit Poll survey published this afternoon revealed that only 45.56% of surveyed people said they planned to vote if the election goes ahead.

19.8% said they would not turn out to vote, 15.78% said they might vote depending on the situation at that time, 14% said they were unsure if they would vote or not, and 5.33% said they were not likely to vote.

http://dusitpoll.dusit.ac.th/polldata/2557/25571390540566.pdf

Edited January 24, 2014 by tsnyder

[Fryslan boppe]

Survey: Less Than Half of Thais will go to vote

Suan Dusit Poll survey published this afternoon revealed that only 45.56% of surveyed people said they planned to vote if the election goes ahead.

19.8% said they would not turn out to vote, 15.78% said they might vote depending on the situation at that time, 14% said they were unsure if they would vote or not, and 5.33% said they were not likely to vote.

http://dusitpoll.dusit.ac.th/polldata/2557/25571390540566.pdf

Don't take these Elitist-rooted Polls pretending to be public opinion too seriously.....For all intents and purposes, this Poll was put out by PDRC associates....NIDA Polls are another similar one.

[tsnyder]

Trouble is, in Thailand, if you don't vote in an election, you loose your right to vote in the following, or at least, that is what the uneducated, in the North are made to believe here. I wouldn't count on it being true, but people up here believe it is, so of course, they will vote, because they think, they will loose there voting privileges for the future, if they don't vote in this election.

It's not true, so any entity promulgating that is lying.

Admittedly, it's a potent threat, but it is a lie.

[tsnyder]

Survey: Less Than Half of Thais will go to vote

Suan Dusit Poll survey published this afternoon revealed that only 45.56% of surveyed people said they planned to vote if the election goes ahead.

19.8% said they would not turn out to vote, 15.78% said they might vote depending on the situation at that time, 14% said they were unsure if they would vote or not, and 5.33% said they were not likely to vote.

http://dusitpoll.dusit.ac.th/polldata/2557/25571390540566.pdf

Don't take these Elitist-rooted Polls pretending to be public opinion too seriously.....For all intents and purposes, this Poll was put out by PDRC associates....NIDA Polls are another similar one.

You're 52 posts late in this thread as many members have already taken the results of the other poll posted earlier in the OP as the divine truth.

Still, I'm curious about your assertions. Could you share the names of the PDRC associates who control these polls? Who specifically are these "Elitist-rooted".

.

Edited January 24, 2014 by tsnyder

[tingtongteesood]

Trouble is, in Thailand, if you don't vote in an election, you loose your right to vote in the following, or at least, that is what the uneducated, in the North are made to believe here. I wouldn't count on it being true, but people up here believe it is, so of course, they will vote, because they think, they will loose there voting privileges for the future, if they don't vote in this election.

VOTE NO !

[larsjohnsson]

I will go on record and suggest turn-out will be much lower than the poll. Maybe JT can do a Poll about the Poll?

Well upcountry you get 500 Baht for the vote....Husband, Wife, 4 grandparents, 2 grown up kids=4000 Baht.....not bad money

Down south they get even more if they come up and sleep in Bangkoks intersections. And they include free transport, tents, food and drinks

Can you please tell where to collect the money? Because we know a lot people who came from the south who don't get paid. A few run out of money already.

Yes food is for free.

Yes they can travel for free with the train as the labor union supports the democracy movement and allow free rides to the demonstrations. From Pattaya a couple of businesspeople rent Minivans to go and go back THEMSELF daily, I am sure they would also allow someone without money to ride for free, they would even buy him a Burger on the way.

But I never heard about money, actually Suthep is collecting donations every day...not handing them out. He is wealthy but not rich enough to pay hundred-thousands of people.

You must be dreaming if you belive there are hundred-thousends of people that have come from the south and sleep on the streets in Bangkok. Have you seen the intersections lately?

Sent from my GT-I9152 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

[backtonormal]

Especially if they are paid,who's going to refuse 500 bht. ?

regards Worgeordie

But as Korn admitted (as posted many times without some reading it), the Democrats paid out more than PTP last time around - so the pickings will be slimmer now with them not running!

As to not voting resulting in a lost vote, that is not so fanciful if the 'People's Council' replaces the elected Parliament.

But I think the usual suspects really knew these things already.

He didn't say they paid more to the people that's just red BS.

What he said was they spent more on election campaigning than PT.

PT just relied on unsustainable promises which are now coming back to haunt them.

Deputy Democrat party leader Alongkorn Ponlaboot in an interview that was broadcast on May 31, 2013 on John Winyu’s show (รองหัวหน้าพรรคประชาธิปัตย์กล่าวในรายการ “เจาะข่าวตื้น ตอน 99″) stated:

“Recently, if we speak directly, they [Puea Thai] use little money. I am not saying we [the Democrats] use more money than them [Puea Thai]. [host interprets with statement "they are using less money"]. It has become inverted [host interprets and says "They don't need to use so much money?"] I say if it is like that then don’t say we lost because of money”. “For the last election, it may be because we actually used more than them. Therefore, don’t talk about this issue anymore."

Where in that does it say that Dems spent more money on campaigning. When ever, previously, we have talked about PTP spending money at elections it is always in relation to alledged 'vote buying'. So it is fair to assume that Korns response was with the same theme. Dems buy more votes...how many more times will I have to post this.

[backtonormal]

It's not only the vote buying. There are many other things which make a mockery out of democracy. For example, Khmer Rouge style red villages. There are around 10,000 villages where people are totally brainwashed into following one party. The do not question, they blindly follow. Between 3-3.5 million people live there. Furthermore, using violence against political opponents. Red mobsters behave in the exactly same way National Socialist Party storm troopers behaved. Those guys still live in 70's. From political point of view, they are totally immature. We're talking infants here, not adults.

Links to brainwashing, red mobsters and whatever else stains your shorts.

[samran]

Trouble is, in Thailand, if you don't vote in an election, you loose your right to vote in the following, or at least, that is what the uneducated, in the North are made to believe here. I wouldn't count on it being true, but people up here believe it is, so of course, they will vote, because they think, they will loose there voting privileges for the future, if they don't vote in this election.

You just lose the right to run as a candidate in the subsequent election if you don't vote.