F1 2014

[Basil B]

Lewis can drive faster than Nico and therefore probably pushes his car harder but find it hard to believe that this could cause a fuel leak that results in a fire or the failure of a new bake disk within one lap.

I also find it hard to believe that there may be someone sabotaging his car, but he does seem to be experiencing problems that I find hard to believe is just bad luck.

May be he did break a mirror or run over a black cat...

[mania]

That was a great race in Hungary

The whole race was good but the

Last 3-4 laps especially

[JAS21]

Lewis can drive faster than Nico and therefore probably pushes his car harder but find it hard to believe that this could cause a fuel leak that results in a fire or the failure of a new bake disk within one lap.

I also find it hard to believe that there may be someone sabotaging his car, but he does seem to be experiencing problems that I find hard to believe is just bad luck.

May be he did break a mirror or run over a black cat...

Lewis drives faster BUT for some reason always appears to use less fuel ... I'd like to have been 'a fly on the wall' at the after race de-brief. Team Orders before half way through the season ............ Rosberg probably stopped a Mercedes 1-2 by not overtaking Verne, just followed him for quite a few laps ... When Rosberg pitted Hamilton passed Vern that very lap.

[Basil B]

Lewis can drive faster than Nico and therefore probably pushes his car harder but find it hard to believe that this could cause a fuel leak that results in a fire or the failure of a new bake disk within one lap.

I also find it hard to believe that there may be someone sabotaging his car, but he does seem to be experiencing problems that I find hard to believe is just bad luck.

May be he did break a mirror or run over a black cat...

Lewis drives faster BUT for some reason always appears to use less fuel ... I'd like to have been 'a fly on the wall' at the after race de-brief. Team Orders before half way through the season ............ Rosberg probably stopped a Mercedes 1-2 by not overtaking Verne, just followed him for quite a few laps ... When Rosberg pitted Hamilton passed Vern that very lap.

It was a fantastic race, but Toto, Paddy and Niki can not ignore the fact that Lewis ignored team orders, nor Nico is going to let them forget, but were Toto, Paddy and Niki all in agreement with the decision in the first place?

Two successive races where Lewis has had to fight from the back and got a podium is a fantastic achievement, could Nico do that? being stuck behind Vergne must have riled Lewis.

Once again the world champion following in the dust of his team mate, do you think Red Bull will be telling Daniel to let Sebastian past in the near future?

Edited July 28, 2014 by Basil B

[Mosha]

Didn't Toto say the last race, or the 1 before that. It would be unfair to the other driver if we changed the strategy for 1 driver mid race. But here we are. ":Let Nico pass Lewis, he's on a different strategy."

[mania]

You know in some respects the original message if I remember right

was something like

Nico is coming thru & needs a pit dont hold him up.

Which would be ok I guess if taken literally as I never saw Hamilton

holding anyone up but....

Really Nico was never knocking on Hamilton's door.

If they expected Lewis to ease up & wait that would be mad.

So I never thought much about it but then I heard Nico say twice

"why isn't he letting me by"????

I thought that odd considering as I said he was never on Lewis

to that degree.

I think Lewis was right to just ignore the trans & I like both drivers.

But thought it odd when I heard Nico say that

Edited July 29, 2014 by mania

[soihok]

That was one of the best races I've seen for some time.

Nice spin by Vettel on the finish line.

[Mosha]

You know in some respects the original message if I remember right

was something like

Nico is coming thru & needs a pit dont hold him up.

Which would be ok I guess if taken literally as I never saw Hamilton

holding anyone up but....

Really Nico was never knocking on Hamilton's door.

If they expected Lewis to ease up & wait that would be mad.

So I never thought much about it but then I heard Nico say twice

"why isn't he letting me by"????

I thought that odd considering as I said he was never on Lewis

to that degree.

I think Lewis was right to just ignore the trans & I like both drivers.

But thought it odd when I heard Nico say that

I think Lewis said a couple of times "OK when he gets to me I'll let him by."

[mania]

I think Lewis said a couple of times "OK when he gets to me I'll let him by."

I missed that on my stream but that was a good answer from Lewis

[Basil B]

I think Paddy, Toto & Niki need to check they are singing from the same hymn book.

Maybe when Nico was stuck behind Vergne they should have told Nico to let Lewis past as he has a better chance of getting past Vergne.

[Basil B]

Bernie pays $100,000,000 to avoid clink.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28656050

This is really pocket money to him and only a fraction of ill-gotten money he has taken from F1, just for that I would have been very happy to see him do time.

[Mosha]

Bernie pays $100,000,000 to avoid clink.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28656050

This is really pocket money to him and only a fraction of ill-gotten money he has taken from F1, just for that I would have been very happy to see him do time.

So he makes a bribery case disappear by paying off diving the prosecutors 60 M Quid. Define iriny.

[Mosha]

Should say giving

[Mosha]

Kobayashi axed for Belgian GP, he's still part of the team but jis seat is in doubt.

[ignis]

2 replacement for this weekend..

German driver Andre to stand in for Kamui Kobayashi in a one-race deal in Belgian Grand Prix in Spa-Franchorchamps.

American Alexander Rossi to stand in for Max Chilton at Marussia in a one-race deal in Belgian Grand Prix in Spa-Franchorchamps.

Edited August 22, 2014 by ignis

[Basil B]

Up date...

Chilton to race in Belgium

A reminder of the story that broke during first practice, Max Chilton will race at the Belgian Grand Prix after all as a dispute with his Marussia team has been resolved.

Marussia said on Thursday that Chilton, 23, would be replaced for the weekend by reserve driver Alexander Rossi as a result of "contractual issues".

The team refused to give details but on Friday morning Marussia said Briton Chilton would be racing in Spa.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/28881163

[mania]

Oh this is going to be a interesting post race meeting at Mercedes

Dont want to spoil anything in case some have not seen Spa but was interesting to say the least

[Guest]

I'm willing to spoil. The people who have not watched the race and wish to see it later on, simply should not read the thread. It's not fair for the people who watch it live.

This time, I will write it to the next message. Next time, if you have not watched the race, be aware that news are full of the results.

[Guest]

Oh this is going to be a interesting post race meeting at Mercedes

Dont want to spoil anything in case some have not seen Spa but was interesting to say the least

Here is the clip of the racing accident. The jury did not even investigate the incident. Hamilton was more unlucky at this time and destroyed his car while driving to the pit to change his tire.

Maybe it's just me, but I'm quite tired of Hamilton's constant complaining and blaming everybody else of his mistakes. He is a great driver, but does way too much finger pointing towards others.

After the incident he wanted to quit as to show that he was treated badly in this case. He is still a paid driver who earns huge amount of money to drive that car.

After the race interview he was saying "This is not fair for the all the good people who are working hard at the team factory" or similar. That's simply using others to help his cause. I really do not like that kind of negative psychological game he is playing.. and have playing all the time he has been on F1.

I wish to see him driving, not being a hypocrite mouth.

http://youtu.be/mFY1Em0vG4c

[Guest]

Eddie Jordan was excellent on the podium interview once again. He have the understanding of the sports and large enough charisma & balls to say the audience to stop booing. It's understandable that people wish their own guys to win, but the booing is simply stupid, like it was while Vettel was winning constantly.

Furthermore it was great to see that Bottas and Räikkönen got good results. This must have felt good for the iceman as his results have been quite awful during this season.

[Basil B]

Toto said after the race before but any meetings

"You don't try to overtake with the knife between your teeth on lap number two and damage both cars,"

Interesting what Hamilton says about the post race meeting...

"We just had a meeting about it and he basically said he did it on purpose," said Hamilton.

The 2008 world champion added: "He said he could have avoided it, but he didn't want to. He basically said, 'I did it to prove a point'."

Hamilton said he was "gobsmacked" by Rosberg's admission, although the German has not confirmed himself whether he made such a remark.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/28921431

Will F1 investigate this now, that is pretty damming, saying he could have avoided it?

though I doubt Mercedes will be happy with Lewis spouting off...

[Guest]

I think the truth might be a bit different what a very emotional driver want to hear and says when he is angry.

Maybe Nico's sentence was "Maybe I could have avoided the collision by going to the grass and risking spinning, afterall I did not expect Lewis to push me out" and Hamilton heard only the first few words.

Imho Nico is far more calculating driver than Hamilton is. Therefore I believe Rosberg is going to be the world champion after this year. He looks like Leonardo DiCaprio, but has the mind of Schumacher. Lewis looks like a rap star and sometimes behaves like one.

Edited August 24, 2014 by Guest

[Guest]

Belgian GP: Wolff says Rosberg's crash comments were misinterpreted

"[Rosberg] didn't give in. He thought it was for Lewis to leave him space, and that Lewis didn't leave him space.

"So they agreed to disagree in a very heated discussion amongst ourselves, but it wasn't deliberately crashing. That is nonsense."

Source: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/115558

[mania]

Oh this is going to be a interesting post race meeting at Mercedes

Dont want to spoil anything in case some have not seen Spa but was interesting to say the least

Here is the clip of the racing accident. The jury did not even investigate the incident. Hamilton was more unlucky at this time and destroyed his car while driving to the pit to change his tire.

Maybe it's just me, but I'm quite tired of Hamilton's constant complaining and blaming everybody else of his mistakes. He is a great driver, but does way too much finger pointing towards others.

After the incident he wanted to quit as to show that he was treated badly in this case. He is still a paid driver who earns huge amount of money to drive that car.

After the race interview he was saying "This is not fair for the all the good people who are working hard at the team factory" or similar. That's simply using others to help his cause. I really do not like that kind of negative psychological game he is playing.. and have playing all the time he has been on F1.

I wish to see him driving, not being a hypocrite mouth.

Yes I saw the incident live & many times afterwards....

While I like both drivers equally for their talent & do not care one bit about personalities

as that is a separate issue ......

I will say I thought it was incredibly dumb to risk not just himself but basically the whole teams efforts on lap 2

when he clearly did not have the right to the racing line.

His front tire was barely clear of Lewis's rear tire.

It is basic racing the car in front has full control of line in turn

But that aside it was obviously seen that way by Team principals & advisers Wolff & Lauda

I respect both their opinions & they should know what is what better than anyone else.

As to Lewis wanting to pull in after finding his car had next to zero down force due to the gaping hole if

rear floorboard area

I imagine it was a logical request since he is already down one engine & would like to

not trash another engine in a futile chase when he cannot even pass much slower cars.

When one is contesting the world championship they think further than a single event.

All just my opinion of course & as I said I think both drivers

are immense talents

[jpinx]

Rosberg is cold and calculating - he knew exactly what he was doing when he hit Lewis. The hit was perfectly judged to take off an easily replaceable front wing and to put a hole in the rear tyre early in the lap, ensuring maximum damage. He took advantage of the positioning of the cars in that turn to make it happen. Nico is as ruthless as his dad, but he also has the clarity of mind and the skill to pull this off. He has very few real friends -- I wonder if he has confided in *anyone*.

Mercedes management have been shown time and again to be really ineffectual. The shambles over LH's retirement has saved no miles and caused a lot more ill-feeling.

[mania]

Rosberg is cold and calculating - he knew exactly what he was doing when he hit Lewis. The hit was perfectly judged to take off an easily replaceable front wing and to put a hole in the rear tyre early in the lap, ensuring maximum damage. He took advantage of the positioning of the cars in that turn to make it happen. Nico is as ruthless as his dad, but he also has the clarity of mind and the skill to pull this off. He has very few real friends -- I wonder if he has confided in *anyone*.

Mercedes management have been shown time and again to be really ineffectual. The shambles over LH's retirement has saved no miles and caused a lot more ill-feeling.

I don't know j.............

It would be a incredible stroke of luck to purposely intend to flat a tire with your wing

The wing has to perfectly impact the outer 1.5" or so of tire. Anything else & the damages would

be to Rosberg alone

Look at Alonso later do basically the same & only obliterate his wing yet no damage to

( Was it Vettel's?) tire

I think it was a stupid move one fueled by emotion & nerves but still I do not think deliberate

as any driver at the rear is not expecting he can do damage to the front car alone.

I do not think Rosberg or any driver contesting the WC would want to risk losing a front wing or worse

But most of all I actually feel sorry for Daniel Ricciardo

Here he is doing great 2 wins in a row & today's headlines as always are 99.999% about

Hamilton & Rosberg

Edited August 25, 2014 by mania

[Basil B]

I do not think Nico intended to puncture Lewis's tyre or sacrifice his wing, but it was a foolhardy and reckless move that seems he even has acknowledged to doing so knowing the risk.

This I think is what Lewis is quoting by saying he deliberately did this...

But somewhere along the line either he did say so or Lewis could be charged with bringing the game into disrepute.

I am wondering if these drivers meetings are recorded, I presume the FIA will be asking the same question today, and if so for a copy or transcript.

Lewis took the lead by getting a better start, he left Nico standing at the start with Vettle taking second place, the sad thing was Nico was back in second place thanks to Lewis beating of Vettle's attempt to over take him, forcing him drive off circuit.

The real issue here is poor management by a team now run by a committee, though I respect all of them , Ros was right, you can not run a team by a committee and not wanting to be part of it.

One thing I am certain of Nico's action cost Mercedes another "One Two" on the podium.

The other thing is there are many of the FIA who would love to see Nico, Lewis and Mercedes docked a lot of points to open up the championships.

Edited August 25, 2014 by Basil B

[yermanee]

The sad thing is that the predominantly British media conveniently forgets that the damage was a puncture which can easily be repaired but that Lewis drove much to fast to get to the pits which

caused the damage to the cars bodywork.

Even one of the commentators said so as Lewis raced to the pits.

It's the Vettel/Webber controversy all over again.

Yermanee

[jpinx]

Rosberg is cold and calculating - he knew exactly what he was doing when he hit Lewis. The hit was perfectly judged to take off an easily replaceable front wing and to put a hole in the rear tyre early in the lap, ensuring maximum damage. He took advantage of the positioning of the cars in that turn to make it happen. Nico is as ruthless as his dad, but he also has the clarity of mind and the skill to pull this off. He has very few real friends -- I wonder if he has confided in *anyone*.

Mercedes management have been shown time and again to be really ineffectual. The shambles over LH's retirement has saved no miles and caused a lot more ill-feeling.

I don't know j.............

It would be a incredible stroke of luck to purposely intend to flat a tire with your wing

The wing has to perfectly impact the outer 1.5" or so of tire. Anything else & the damages would

be to Rosberg alone

Look at Alonso later do basically the same & only obliterate his wing yet no damage to

( Was it Vettel's?) tire

I think it was a stupid move one fueled by emotion & nerves but still I do not think deliberate

as any driver at the rear is not expecting he can do damage to the front car alone.

I do not think Rosberg or any driver contesting the WC would want to risk losing a front wing or worse

But most of all I actually feel sorry for Daniel Ricciardo

Here he is doing great 2 wins in a row & today's headlines as always are 99.999% about

Hamilton & Rosberg

I agree -- now that the dust has settled -- if you look at the replays NR had his front wheel alongside LH cockpit before pulling back and just clipping LH's rear wheel with his wingtip. I recind my earlier vitriol but I maintain that NR is to blame for the incident. A stupid move executed clumsily which cost himself, his team and his team mate a lot! Not to mention robbing the fans of what was promising to be a great race. Mercedes have apparently been consulting with Ross Brawn, so watch this space. Mercedes need a leader the drivers are actually afraid of,,,,,,,,,

Thank goodness for DR -- a brilliant drive and holding the lead for a decent number of laps with others trying desperately to catch him. A very well-deserved win - and if I had my way I'd give NR's point to him!!

[jpinx]

As an addendum -- and following lots of other conversations with fellow-ex-racers -- take a look at the replay from NR's onboard cam -- he gets his nose up beside LH, realises it's not going to work and backs off, but look at his steering inputs. He has his steering wheel turned to the right during the first part and then turns it to the left as he backs off and they enter the left turn, but he deliberately gives it s tweak to the right well before his front wheel is clear of LH's back wheel. "We" have decided that he's trying to punt LH's backend out and make him slide out of the turn - thereby giving himself a clear run again. Wheel-banging is a common enough tactic -- but it goes badly wrong when the bang is on a wing endplate and not a wheel. We've all done this trick in closed bodywork car racing -- let's see if the professionals amongst the management at Mercedes will spot this....