Training accident / did i do the right thing

[robblok]

Jack Daniels famously died 5 years after breaking his toe when kicking his safe in frustration...

Are we going to start posting gory photos of our injuries ???

I've some shockers, missing toe nails etc after being studded while playing football....

Rob: get a 2nd opinion, but infection is a very real and ever present risk...

Richard,

Let the mods take away the picture.. sheryl asked about the injury to make a call so i put it up. I understand your concern.

I am taking the antibiotics. It is no longer a question of not taking them.

I was only wondering if it was overkill. But i started on it and its 2 days of an injection every 6 hours so just 5 more injections and ill be done.

I'm 100% certain it's overkill, but that's really what doctors must do to protect themselves legally. People have died from ingrown toenail infections. I suppose the nails are a dirty area of the body as they tend to catch a lot of dirt... and circulation in the feet is not the best in many people, so the risk of infection is fairly high.

It's killing a mosquito with a sledgehammer.... but I can see it from the doctor's perspective. They don't know how good you are at home care and don't want to risk it.

It's hard to believe anyone survived before antibiotics were discovered. How many of us would have made it to our present age without them? I know I would have expired long ago.

Believe me the every 6 hours going to the hospital 6am 12am 18pm and 24pm was not fun at all. But it beats staying at the hospital for 2 days and being bored to death. Now i got an bag full of other antibiotics to take. Changing the bandage every day and wearing a splint.

Friday I will ask the Dr about the splint as it is severely limiting my movement. I ordered some toe protectors on ebay to use once I dont have to use the splint anymore. Once I don't need to use the splint i can go out again. The wound is gone just some wound moisture from under the nailbed from time to time. But this is minimal. (a droplet).

I also ordered something that i wish i had before as the bags around the feet do not keep it dry real good. Its a special designed protector. (probably wont need it anymore once the dr says its ok to shower the toe) But just others they got this for all kinds of casts and it is real watertight.

[h90]

Jack Daniels famously died 5 years after breaking his toe when kicking his safe in frustration...

Are we going to start posting gory photos of our injuries ???

I've some shockers, missing toe nails etc after being studded while playing football....

Rob: get a 2nd opinion, but infection is a very real and ever present risk...

Richard,

Let the mods take away the picture.. sheryl asked about the injury to make a call so i put it up. I understand your concern.

I am taking the antibiotics. It is no longer a question of not taking them.

I was only wondering if it was overkill. But i started on it and its 2 days of an injection every 6 hours so just 5 more injections and ill be done.

I'm 100% certain it's overkill, but that's really what doctors must do to protect themselves legally. People have died from ingrown toenail infections. I suppose the nails are a dirty area of the body as they tend to catch a lot of dirt... and circulation in the feet is not the best in many people, so the risk of infection is fairly high.

It's killing a mosquito with a sledgehammer.... but I can see it from the doctor's perspective. They don't know how good you are at home care and don't want to risk it.

It's hard to believe anyone survived before antibiotics were discovered. How many of us would have made it to our present age without them? I know I would have expired long ago.

people with bad circulation tend to get big problems on the feet. BUT if the circulation is good/normal, toes (and fingers) have the best defense and the fastest healing.

I don't know if we would all die without antibiotics, but some small issue which bothers you a few days might be a months long infection and war inside body.

Or if we would been raised in the dirt, a lot would have died as baby, but the surviving would have an extreme trained immune system.....

(Of course not considering how we would look: without teeth lost limbs, and aged etc etc.

[Tolley]

Hope you are still taking the kefir as you will need it after taking the antibiotics.

No way I would have taken them for toe nails.

As long as you dress it everyday would have been okay.

I lost count of the number of toenails I lost playing squash.

Never once got infected turned blue and purple and eventually fell off.

[FBN]

If there is any collection of fluid under the re-attached nail, a practice I have never heard of before, it will become a risk of an infection and de-attaching it in favour of an external splint and simple wound dressing on the nail bed should definitely be considered.

[h90]

If there is any collection of fluid under the re-attached nail, a practice I have never heard of before, it will become a risk of an infection and de-attaching it in favour of an external splint and simple wound dressing on the nail bed should definitely be considered.

I definitely heard it from Austria (Europe), they told there to re-ataching it so the new one will grow straight.

But I can't recall the details, at this time I didn't pay much attention to someone others toe nail story..

[Tolley]

I don't understand the reattaching bit.

As said in previous post I lost my big toe nail many times and what happens is it eventually naturally falls off and grows back.

It might grow back a little thicker but no problems.

[tropo]

Believe me the every 6 hours going to the hospital 6am 12am 18pm and 24pm was not fun at all. But it beats staying at the hospital for 2 days and being bored to death. Now i got an bag full of other antibiotics to take. Changing the bandage every day and wearing a splint.

Friday I will ask the Dr about the splint as it is severely limiting my movement. I ordered some toe protectors on ebay to use once I dont have to use the splint anymore. Once I don't need to use the splint i can go out again. The wound is gone just some wound moisture from under the nailbed from time to time. But this is minimal. (a droplet).

I also ordered something that i wish i had before as the bags around the feet do not keep it dry real good. Its a special designed protector. (probably wont need it anymore once the dr says its ok to shower the toe) But just others they got this for all kinds of casts and it is real watertight.

No one mentioned it, so let's change the tone of this thread somewhat with some good news.

You are extremely lucky that you didn't crush more toes - or even worse, the tarsals. It's a big plate you dropped, with a big surface area. If the plate hit higher up on your foot you would have been on crutches for a long time.

Once upon a time I sustained a micro fracture to the tarsal area of my foot. It was a stress fracture from carrying large buckets of water up sand dunes to fill my fish tank. The fracture was so small it couldn't be seen on an X-ray but I couldn't walk for weeks.

Were you wearing shoes? I suppose even if you were, unless they were steel toed it wouldn't have made much difference.

Talking about gym mishaps. I was doing heavy cable rows in a gym once and the top pulley broke off. Lucky I was doing rows because I flipped over backwards and didn't injure myself, but it I was doing behind the neck pulldowns I could have crushed my cervical vertebrae. After that incident I always check/ed pulleys before I use a machine.

I did drop some heavy dumbbells using a dipping rope last year in Tony's. Lucky my foot was out of the way at the time.

The gym can be a dangerous place if you're not careful.

[robblok]

If there is any collection of fluid under the re-attached nail, a practice I have never heard of before, it will become a risk of an infection and de-attaching it in favour of an external splint and simple wound dressing on the nail bed should definitely be considered.

As far as i know and seen while dressing the wound there is no fluid under it. I will ask about it this Friday as more then one person has mentioned that it is strange.

The splint is actually nothing more as a protection unit i think. I think it does not even keep my toe from moving. Actually when its off i have no problem moving my toe only if i press hard on the tip (not below) does it hurt. That is where it is broken.

[robblok]

Believe me the every 6 hours going to the hospital 6am 12am 18pm and 24pm was not fun at all. But it beats staying at the hospital for 2 days and being bored to death. Now i got an bag full of other antibiotics to take. Changing the bandage every day and wearing a splint.

Friday I will ask the Dr about the splint as it is severely limiting my movement. I ordered some toe protectors on ebay to use once I dont have to use the splint anymore. Once I don't need to use the splint i can go out again. The wound is gone just some wound moisture from under the nailbed from time to time. But this is minimal. (a droplet).

I also ordered something that i wish i had before as the bags around the feet do not keep it dry real good. Its a special designed protector. (probably wont need it anymore once the dr says its ok to shower the toe) But just others they got this for all kinds of casts and it is real watertight.

No one mentioned it, so let's change the tone of this thread somewhat with some good news.

You are extremely lucky that you didn't crush more toes - or even worse, the tarsals. It's a big plate you dropped, with a big surface area. If the plate hit higher up on your foot you would have been on crutches for a long time.

Once upon a time I sustained a micro fracture to the tarsal area of my foot. It was a stress fracture from carrying large buckets of water up sand dunes to fill my fish tank. The fracture was so small it couldn't be seen on an X-ray but I couldn't walk for weeks.

Were you wearing shoes? I suppose even if you were, unless they were steel toed it wouldn't have made much difference.

Talking about gym mishaps. I was doing heavy cable rows in a gym once and the top pulley broke off. Lucky I was doing rows because I flipped over backwards and didn't injure myself, but it I was doing behind the neck pulldowns I could have crushed my cervical vertebrae. After that incident I always check/ed pulleys before I use a machine.

I did drop some heavy dumbbells using a dipping rope last year in Tony's. Lucky my foot was out of the way at the time.

The gym can be a dangerous place if you're not careful.

Actually.. you are right its a huge plate.. 25 kg.. and yes if it hard dropped on my foot it could have done a lot more damage. Thanks for putting it in a positive light. Normally I always wear shoes and the reason was my wife wanted to use the rowing machine so i used light bench press as a warm up (normally i always put on shoes and row). Stupid .. but like you said it would not have made much difference.

Yes i can imagine that if you were doing behind the neck you could have crushed something. Yes stuff like this makes us more careful. That is one thing for sure. This is the first serious accident I ever had.

[robblok]

Hope you are still taking the kefir as you will need it after taking the antibiotics.

No way I would have taken them for toe nails.

As long as you dress it everyday would have been okay.

I lost count of the number of toenails I lost playing squash.

Never once got infected turned blue and purple and eventually fell off.

Yes making and drinking kefir and I know I am going to need it once i stop with the tablets.

To be honest I am just following doctors orders here about the toe and nail. I think he studied for it and his English is quite good. He is an Indian/Thai. I did question him a lot and will again but as I am totally out of my depth here i went with his advice.

Personally i might have wanted the nail off as it would hurt a bit more now but would help me later. I suspect.. not sure that the skin under the nail this way does not harden.

The reason that he fave for re attaching it was that there was a wound under the nail and this was the only way to stem the bleeding. At least that was what he said after the operation.

[I Like Thai]

Have you considered suing the belt manufacturer ? Is it a well known brand ?

If the belt had a such a catastrophic failure as shown in the pic then you may have a strong case. Especially since the belt is designed for carrying weights in the manner you were using it, at least that's what your op suggests.

[robblok]

Have you considered suing the belt manufacturer ? Is it a well known brand ?

If the belt had a such a catastrophic failure as shown in the pic then you may have a strong case. Especially since the belt is designed for carrying weights in the manner you were using it, at least that's what your op suggests.

To be honest, i am not sure at what online shop i bought the belt, and yes it is designed to carrying weights in the manner i used it.

I used it with 35 kg (quite a load for me but the belt should have held). Once i stood down it broke (wish it had broken as i was doing the exercise as then it would not have done any damage.

Below an example and no that is not me in the picture.

And stubborn.. or stupid as I am i ordered a new one rated at 80+ kg more expensive. I will never get over 40 kg i guess but still i dont want a repeat performance.

Edited February 5, 2014 by robblok

[Showbags]

As soon as they mentioned 'amputation'....I would have been out the door heading to another hospital...how ridiculous.....after a jab of morphine of course..

[robblok]

As soon as they mentioned 'amputation'....I would have been out the door heading to another hospital...how ridiculous.....after a jab of morphine of course..

I figured that was to scare me into staying in the hospital. I had no problem with the treatment.. just the hospital time and I cant say i was too happy going every 6 hours to the hospital for an other jab.

Still i made the mistake of thinking that this hospital was convenient as it was close by, could have gone to the government hospital too. They would probably not have put on a moneymaking show.

Live and learn.

[Showbags]

As soon as they mentioned 'amputation'....I would have been out the door heading to another hospital...how ridiculous.....after a jab of morphine of course..

I figured that was to scare me into staying in the hospital. I had no problem with the treatment.. just the hospital time and I cant say i was too happy going every 6 hours to the hospital for an other jab.

Still i made the mistake of thinking that this hospital was convenient as it was close by, could have gone to the government hospital too. They would probably not have put on a moneymaking show.

Live and learn.

My daughter had to have rabies injections recently.....Bkk hospital would not do it without seeing the doctor every time for the 5 injections...circa 1600b each time.

We went to the Thai hospital and they did them in the emergency room for 400b each.

I went to Bkk hospital for a cyst in my back a couple years ago...they wanted me to be hospitalised for a week so they could treat it.

I refused, had it taken out with local anesthetic in emergency room, they wanted me to come in ...30min drive away....every day for 7 days....I refused...they tried to sell me dressings and crap at 5 times the price for the same thing at the local pharmacy....I declined and dressed it at home ourself with the missus, went back only on last day for checkup and all ok.

Yes they said that to scare you into staying and that meant a quick earn for them...that should have sent alarm bells off for the rest of their treatment attitude also.

[FiftyTwo]

10 day course of oral anti-biotics.

Pain killers, Tramadol as required.

Don't expect the nail to grow properly (or look good) after that smash.

6hr injections are way overkill as far as I can see.

Still, looks like they did a good job in surgery.

Crush injuries are a pain.

Get well soon.

[Showbags]

^ you hit the nail on the head there...

[robblok]

10 day course of oral anti-biotics.

Pain killers, Tramadol as required.

Don't expect the nail to grow properly (or look good) after that smash.

6hr injections are way overkill as far as I can see.

Still, looks like they did a good job in surgery.

Crush injuries are a pain.

Get well soon.

Yea got my 10 days (more actually) of oral antibiotics.

Tramadol, used it the first few days. No need anymore

I don't expect that or care for it to look good.. would be a nice plus if it would not give me too much problems But a smash like that would likely damage the nail bed so yes.

The 6 hours injections were boring and i felt like a pin cushion .. good thing i have no fear of needles. (was not always like that)

Yes i think they did a good job the guy was competent enough and I am going to ask him about infections because he left the nail there.. plus if he expects it to be pushed away by the growing nail then at some point i will have either a partly uncovered toe or I have to trim the dead loose nail. Anyway just want to know what to expect.. and to wear shoes again because this makes me house bound.

Thanks. I do think im quite ok now already just want the green light from the Dr about the splint and some more info. I am just going with what he says as he studied for hit (he is a orthopedist ) and he probably knows better as me. Even though i think there was some overkill and maybe milking of the patient (me) going on but my insurance will cover that.

And thanks.

Edited February 5, 2014 by robblok

[FiftyTwo]

Not to forget.

Sex and Tramadol don't go well together (for about 12hrs after the last tablet).

Don't start what you won't be able to finish .....555

[tropo]

Have you considered suing the belt manufacturer ? Is it a well known brand ?

If the belt had a such a catastrophic failure as shown in the pic then you may have a strong case. Especially since the belt is designed for carrying weights in the manner you were using it, at least that's what your op suggests.

To be honest, i am not sure at what online shop i bought the belt, and yes it is designed to carrying weights in the manner i used it.

I used it with 35 kg (quite a load for me but the belt should have held). Once i stood down it broke (wish it had broken as i was doing the exercise as then it would not have done any damage.

Below an example and no that is not me in the picture.

And stubborn.. or stupid as I am i ordered a new one rated at 80+ kg more expensive. I will never get over 40 kg i guess but still i dont want a repeat performance.

It does happen quite often in the world of heavy lifting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiooRz2SeU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93_blpLiofQ

[robblok]

@tropo

But compared to those guys my lift was not that heavy just 35kg or 77lbs. Plus i had the bad luck to have my toe under it and the good luck it was not my foot.

I am impressed by the guy doing 181lb and pull ups... wow.. im happy if i just get my body up for the 4 x 8 reps.

[robblok]

Seems i misunderstood the Dr.. just went back and he took out the stitches (one on a wound near the nailbed) and the others that kept the nail in place. He told me it would fall off in one or 2 weeks. So my assumption of him wanting to keep it on for a real long time was groundless.

[tropo]

@tropo

But compared to those guys my lift was not that heavy just 35kg or 77lbs. Plus i had the bad luck to have my toe under it and the good luck it was not my foot.

I am impressed by the guy doing 181lb and pull ups... wow.. im happy if i just get my body up for the 4 x 8 reps.

Yeah, I've been watching pullup extremist for years. He has a Guinness record for the most combined weight pulled up.

I suppose if the lift became a popular one he'd have more competition.