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I would be interested to know Hagues view on Thaksin.

I expect he'd be very diplomatic about it since he seems to be able to come and go as he pleases.

I've never supported the Tories and he wasn't much good as their leader but he does seem to have improved lately.

Maybe he's just gained experience and found his place. A bit like Gordon Brown but in reverse. OK as chancellor but totally unsuited to PM.

OK as chancellor after selling most of our gold reserves for a song?

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Want to see if we get the same "mind your own business, solve your own problems at home" comments. whistling.gif

Farang don't quite understand Thais.

It is not that Thais do not want election.

The majority people want election after reform.

Problem for Thais like you is that we do understand you.

Everybody understands you and we don't like what you do and we know you don't think or you would realise you just trying to give away your rights (don't care about your rights eh?) but more importantly you are trying to give away the rights of everybody in the country... and give them to one of the most horrible people ever to live in asia.

Oh yes we do understand fascism. It is Thai people like you with no education about history or sense of reasoning powers. If you knew anything about history, you would not support Suthep.

Reform yes. If you are all so intellegent, make a political party to compete with Thaksin. And don't cry like a baby about vote buying.

Dems did nothing in power for anybody other than the army (gave them massive budget rise) and chase after ghost of thakisn around the world. If you really are educated you have to show people you are and stop behaving like 13 year old teenagers with angst problems.

Majority of Thais do want elections, and many more will vote PT than for Suthep. It is not your right to use violence and block polling stations. In western country you would be arrested, tasered and if you invade White house like you try at Gov house and Police office... You would all be shot with real bullets until you went away.

You are very lucky that the big corruption in thailand is the Army and Elites. They are protecting you,, Suthep and his criminals. But, they can't do it for ever so you'll have to either stop, negotiate or the reds will come with more people than you can ever imagine and they will make you stop!!

Well , if you know history then let me explain it to you from another point of view ....

The second worldwar was against the Jew AND the freemason because they were against "nationalism" at that time... It was ideologic.

Nowadays , people in Europe are not nationalist mostly because they associated nationalism with fascism like you do .

And what are the consequences ? LIBERALIZATION ! So the bank wins.

Now , Thai people don't feel ashamed of being nationalist because they didn't get brainwashed .

So by the mean of democracy , if they don't want the liberalization of their country through corruption , just be it !!

BUT , do you really believe that the people that makes you believe that fascism is nationalism are going to let Thai democracy happen ? Really ?

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Want to see if we get the same "mind your own business, solve your own problems at home" comments. whistling.gif

Farang don't quite understand Thais.

It is not that Thais do not want election.

The majority people want election after reform.

Problem for Thais like you is that we do understand you.

Everybody understands you and we don't like what you do and we know you don't think or you would realise you just trying to give away your rights (don't care about your rights eh?) but more importantly you are trying to give away the rights of everybody in the country... and give them to one of the most horrible people ever to live in asia.

Oh yes we do understand fascism. It is Thai people like you with no education about history or sense of reasoning powers. If you knew anything about history, you would not support Suthep.

Reform yes. If you are all so intellegent, make a political party to compete with Thaksin. And don't cry like a baby about vote buying.

Dems did nothing in power for anybody other than the army (gave them massive budget rise) and chase after ghost of thakisn around the world. If you really are educated you have to show people you are and stop behaving like 13 year old teenagers with angst problems.

Majority of Thais do want elections, and many more will vote PT than for Suthep. It is not your right to use violence and block polling stations. In western country you would be arrested, tasered and if you invade White house like you try at Gov house and Police office... You would all be shot with real bullets until you went away.

You are very lucky that the big corruption in thailand is the Army and Elites. They are protecting you,, Suthep and his criminals. But, they can't do it for ever so you'll have to either stop, negotiate or the reds will come with more people than you can ever imagine and they will make you stop!!

Well , if you know history then let me explain it to you from another point of view ....

The second worldwar was against the Jew AND the freemason because they were against "nationalism" at that time... It was ideologic.

Nowadays , people in Europe are not nationalist mostly because they associated nationalism with fascism like you do .

And what are the consequences ? LIBERALIZATION ! So the bank wins.

Now , Thai people don't feel ashamed of being nationalist because they didn't get brainwashed .

So by the mean of democracy , if they don't want the liberalization of their country through corruption , just be it !!

BUT , do you really believe that the people that makes you believe that fascism is nationalism are going to let Thai democracy happen ? Really ?

Another nutter joins the ranks.

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"This is a matter for the people of Thailand, but I hope their political leaders will find a way forward," he said.

Can't see anything wrong with what he said.

A good and sensible statement from the British foreign secretary.

May be he failed as PM....but he is doing a good job now.

Agree he said nothing wrong. However, he was never PM. He was opposition leader when Tony Blair was practically unbeatable.

He would make a good PM now, pity Thailand don't have many politicians of his caliber.

Hahaha - Hague is a failed politician Governing with a party with a 27% mandate - learn about you own country PLEASE before instructing ours!

Foreign Secretary is hardly being a failed politician, he is a cabinet member, if that's a failure well he has done well out of being one. So whats to learn. Presumably you are a Thai National using the term ours as in country.

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The best reform is to forcefully deport Abhisit, Suthep and all other frusto's to Koh Kut in front of Koh Chang. Fresh water, bananas, plastic whistles and NO microphones and/amplifiers. See how quickly Thailand cheers up. (And investors confidence returning)

I would agree provided Chalerm, Kittikat, Surapong and Poo were sent there too. thumbsup.gif

No thanks. Its nice iut this way. The stench of that lot would ruin the archapegalo.

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I would be interested to know Hagues view on Thaksin.

I expect he'd be very diplomatic about it since he seems to be able to come and go as he pleases.

I've never supported the Tories and he wasn't much good as their leader but he does seem to have improved lately.

Maybe he's just gained experience and found his place. A bit like Gordon Brown but in reverse. OK as chancellor but totally unsuited to PM.

He absolutely cannot go to the UK as he pleases and he dosnt not have permission to reside there since his visa to reside was revoked. This is why he is in Dubai now. wink.png

For the record Thaksin was investigated by the UK Authorities and by others during his attempts and interest to buy Man united, Liverpool and finally successfully Manchester City whom he was forced to sell after investigation.

In short he was found wanting and less than worthy of owning part of a British institution based on honesty and fair sportsmanship.

Hague is commenting on the current crisis and probably couldn't care less about the names involved on either side.

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Want to see if we get the same "mind your own business, solve your own problems at home" comments. whistling.gif

Farang don't quite understand Thais.

It is not that Thais do not want election.

The majority people want election after reform.

Problem for Thais like you is that we do understand you.

Everybody understands you and we don't like what you do and we know you don't think or you would realise you just trying to give away your rights (don't care about your rights eh?) but more importantly you are trying to give away the rights of everybody in the country... and give them to one of the most horrible people ever to live in asia.

Oh yes we do understand fascism. It is Thai people like you with no education about history or sense of reasoning powers. If you knew anything about history, you would not support Suthep.

Reform yes. If you are all so intellegent, make a political party to compete with Thaksin. And don't cry like a baby about vote buying.

Dems did nothing in power for anybody other than the army (gave them massive budget rise) and chase after ghost of thakisn around the world. If you really are educated you have to show people you are and stop behaving like 13 year old teenagers with angst problems.

Majority of Thais do want elections, and many more will vote PT than for Suthep. It is not your right to use violence and block polling stations. In western country you would be arrested, tasered and if you invade White house like you try at Gov house and Police office... You would all be shot with real bullets until you went away.

You are very lucky that the big corruption in thailand is the Army and Elites. They are protecting you,, Suthep and his criminals. But, they can't do it for ever so you'll have to either stop, negotiate or the reds will come with more people than you can ever imagine and they will make you stop!!

Dems did nothing in power for anybody other than the army

Didn't the Dems have a scheme to help farmers that didn't run up debts they couldn't service causing farmers not to be paid for months and taking Thailand from No. 1 to No. 3 as rice exporters?

In western countries most Thai politicians wouldn't get near to being voted in to parliament and certainly not convicted criminals or their sister who had no interest in or knowledge of politics and avoids parliament.

One minute... I'll check my map. Were in Thailand mate.

In the west, the courts and army would never conspire to write laws designed to keep themselves in power and remove 18 elected Governnments.

You ever think the Old Bailey could be lining up court cases of their own volition and speaking out about them in public and then passing judgements..

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Want to see if we get the same "mind your own business, solve your own problems at home" comments. whistling.gif

Since when is having only 1 major Party running for Parliment

Democracy

In German1940 the same Britiish Parliment called it Dictatorship

Reason there is only one major party is the Dems are not a party. They are a disgrace to the word Democrat.... and are are well known now on the world stage for this.

They rigged the system so they would always be in power and with the 2006 coup putting them back in, they decided they would never need to seriously contest elections again.

After all, the new constitution was Thaksin proof and anyway, if they get in there is always the EC CC and NACC to jolly well get them back out again.

After the last election, they should have got rid of the dross (Abhisit) and re-formed. But instead, they tried a coup with Pitak Siam who spent a whole week screaming for a coup, then running off to join a monestary to find peace. Then the whitefaces. A coward band of copycat protesters. Now this.

They could have had a great chance to win the election this time... but... They wait again on the Army to put them in as they are too stupid and corrupt to formulate policies that people want.

There are over 30 parties, and the Dems could have joined. Now, if the law is to be applied (it obviously won't be against them) they are automatically disbanded as a party for abstaining in 2 elections. Court decisions only go one way here at the moment.

So.. One big party is ok. They are the only party with the nous to become big. Compete with them or quit whingeing

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Want to see if we get the same "mind your own business, solve your own problems at home" comments. whistling.gif

Farang don't quite understand Thais.

It is not that Thais do not want election.

The majority people want election after reform.

Problem for Thais like you is that we do understand you.

Everybody understands you and we don't like what you do and we know you don't think or you would realise you just trying to give away your rights (don't care about your rights eh?) but more importantly you are trying to give away the rights of everybody in the country... and give them to one of the most horrible people ever to live in asia.

Oh yes we do understand fascism. It is Thai people like you with no education about history or sense of reasoning powers. If you knew anything about history, you would not support Suthep.

Reform yes. If you are all so intellegent, make a political party to compete with Thaksin. And don't cry like a baby about vote buying.

Dems did nothing in power for anybody other than the army (gave them massive budget rise) and chase after ghost of thakisn around the world. If you really are educated you have to show people you are and stop behaving like 13 year old teenagers with angst problems.

Majority of Thais do want elections, and many more will vote PT than for Suthep. It is not your right to use violence and block polling stations. In western country you would be arrested, tasered and if you invade White house like you try at Gov house and Police office... You would all be shot with real bullets until you went away.

You are very lucky that the big corruption in thailand is the Army and Elites. They are protecting you,, Suthep and his criminals. But, they can't do it for ever so you'll have to either stop, negotiate or the reds will come with more people than you can ever imagine and they will make you stop!!

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"Farang don't quite understand Thais". A word of caution here. Several of these new high activity posters have suddenly appeared in the last few weeks claiming to be Thais. How many Thais have you ever met who would use a phrase like 'don't quite understand'? And now these English-fluent Thais are spending all day posting on a Farang forum?

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This is a very good intro for Farang

Regardless of the position one has in the this conflict, or even if one sensibly doesn't have one, that video is an abomination.

This video states that the Amnesty Bill was taken to the Constitutional Court and that the Court ruled it to be Unconstitutional and so knocked it back. But this is a factual error surely? The Bill seeking to change the Senate was ruled unconstitutional by the court and so knocked back. The Amnesty bill was knocked back by the Senate itself and did not go the constitutional court at all.There are other factual errors in this piece also. The factual errors, the faux doco (seriously?) music accompaniment and the condescending (but hysterically pleading 'rational' ) tone make this a very hackneyed piece. Obviously produced to convince foreigners rather than locals, but I think more like to nauseate them assuming they're more discerning than a fruit fly in a bag of off bananas. I should add that I'm not saying that no case can be made for the position, just that this is an appalling and counter productive attempt. It's like watching and listening to a crappy nature documentary from the 60's.

Agree, it's a bit funny that they think this video makes a strong case. The strangest part is the pronunciation of THaksin..

Thailand has problems. Blames poor people for corruption. Blames democracy for corruption. Therefore, no more democracy.

No one thinks their country is perfect. No one thinks their government is perfect. That doesn't mean you throw your system to the wayside. If the biggest problem facing Thailand is that they have to pay some farmers doing back breaking work 50% more than they would according to the market price, then I think they can survive.

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Want to see if we get the same "mind your own business, solve your own problems at home" comments. whistling.gif

Since when is having only 1 major Party running for Parliment

Democracy

In German1940 the same Britiish Parliment called it Dictatorship

The Dems decided to opt out themselves, they were not forced out of the elections. In fact should they choose they could still take part.

Nothing like Nazi Germany at all

Singapore.

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People like Hague should stick to sorting out the mess that they have created in their own country as opposed to poking their nose into other countries business. Of course Hague comes from a party with a long tradition of supporting dictators and is currently a ruling party that has no real clear mandate to govern, if we were to listen to the arguments of our Red Shirt sympathizers on here, who overthrew a democratically elected coalition preciously.

Just for recollection purposes

The foreign minister should focus on fixing problems at home.

This "fix your problems at home" stuff is tedious. Its like having a boil on the end of your nose and expecting no one to notice....

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What about "installing" democracy first?

why don't you tell that to the Shins???
William Hague is clearly being paid by the Shin league. It is all part of the great conspiracy...

That's quite funny, because libel is a criminal.offence in Thailand. A law that many governments have never repealed because you know, Thailand knows best...m

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This is a very good intro for Farang

Regardless of the position one has in the this conflict, or even if one sensibly doesn't have one, that video is an abomination.

This video states that the Amnesty Bill was taken to the Constitutional Court and that the Court ruled it to be Unconstitutional and so knocked it back. But this is a factual error surely? The Bill seeking to change the Senate was ruled unconstitutional by the court and so knocked back. The Amnesty bill was knocked back by the Senate itself and did not go the constitutional court at all.There are other factual errors in this piece also. The factual errors, the faux doco (seriously?) music accompaniment and the condescending (but hysterically pleading 'rational' ) tone make this a very hackneyed piece. Obviously produced to convince foreigners rather than locals, but I think more like to nauseate them assuming they're more discerning than a fruit fly in a bag of off bananas. I should add that I'm not saying that no case can be made for the position, just that this is an appalling and counter productive attempt. It's like watching and listening to a crappy nature documentary from the 60's.

Agree, it's a bit funny that they think this video makes a strong case. The strangest part is the pronunciation of THaksin..

Thailand has problems. Blames poor people for corruption. Blames democracy for corruption. Therefore, no more democracy.

No one thinks their country is perfect. No one thinks their government is perfect. That doesn't mean you throw your system to the wayside. If the biggest problem facing Thailand is that they have to pay some farmers doing back breaking work 50% more than they would according to the market price, then I think they can survive.

There are arguments, and reasonable presentation of such arguments, that can be made for the position of the protesters. This video isn't one of them or indeed any of them. There are very reasonable arguments that can be made for the position of the government also. And there's the rub. In the end compromise agreements containing compromised positions will have to be made and those compromise agreements can be hammered out now or they can be hammered out after there are a lot of dead people. Sometimes protagonists demand that compromises be made only the back of the dead.

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This is a very good intro for Farang

Regardless of the position one has in the this conflict, or even if one sensibly doesn't have one, that video is an abomination.

This video states that the Amnesty Bill was taken to the Constitutional Court and that the Court ruled it to be Unconstitutional and so knocked it back. But this is a factual error surely? The Bill seeking to change the Senate was ruled unconstitutional by the court and so knocked back. The Amnesty bill was knocked back by the Senate itself and did not go the constitutional court at all.There are other factual errors in this piece also. The factual errors, the faux doco (seriously?) music accompaniment and the condescending (but hysterically pleading 'rational' ) tone make this a very hackneyed piece. Obviously produced to convince foreigners rather than locals, but I think more like to nauseate them assuming they're more discerning than a fruit fly in a bag of off bananas. I should add that I'm not saying that no case can be made for the position, just that this is an appalling and counter productive attempt. It's like watching and listening to a crappy nature documentary from the 60's.

Agree, it's a bit funny that they think this video makes a strong case. The strangest part is the pronunciation of THaksin..

Thailand has problems. Blames poor people for corruption. Blames democracy for corruption. Therefore, no more democracy.

No one thinks their country is perfect. No one thinks their government is perfect. That doesn't mean you throw your system to the wayside. If the biggest problem facing Thailand is that they have to pay some farmers doing back breaking work 50% more than they would according to the market price, then I think they can survive.

There are arguments, and reasonable presentation of such arguments, that can be made for the position of the protesters. This video isn't one of them or indeed any of them. There are very reasonable arguments that can be made for the position of the government also. And there's the rub. In the end compromise agreements containing compromised positions will have to be made and those compromise agreements can be hammered out now or they can be hammered out after there are a lot of dead people. Sometimes protagonists demand that compromises be made only the back of the dead.

Agreed.

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Yes, attack the messenger.

Have you ever given advice? Does that mean you think you are perfect? I respect the perspective of other people and government's if done respectfully. I think it helps my country make a better decision and act more cautiously, and I am sure some Thai people appreciate the opinion of the international community.

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Sure, I didn't want to appear that I was doing that. Apologies if I did so appear. I certainly don't disparage or disrespect William Hague for making his comments and agree with you that more the more the better and greater benefit for all. I was being facetious and it misfired badly. My bad.

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Mind you, William Hague was part of a government that wanted to make the right to vote contingent upon paying a "poll tax" - actually council rates/charges. No payment no voting.

There's a saying that has currency in the mythology of the United States. Something like "no taxation without representation'. But, well, 16 year olds work and pay tax but they certainly can't vote. Why is that? What reason would be given? I'm not suggesting that 16 year olds should or shouldn't be able to vote, but I think the reasons people have for thinking one way or another would be good to have on the table given the vehement views that are being displayed currently.

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Perhaps Suthep's supporters could inform us of the countries in the world that are currently backing Suthep. Links would be nice.

Whatever the number, the video above won't go toward increasing it. Don't think it matters though. The attempted enrollment of foreign support by and for one side or the other is primarily for domestic consumption. Foreign governments are concerned with stability and trade opportunities more than governmental forms or practices. Most often the later can go hang provide the former is favorable.

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Perhaps Suthep's supporters could inform us of the countries in the world that are currently backing Suthep. Links would be nice.

Whatever the number, the video above won't go toward increasing it. Don't think it matters though. The attempted enrollment of foreign support by and for one side or the other is primarily for domestic consumption. Foreign governments are concerned with stability and trade opportunities more than governmental forms or practices. Most often the later can go hang provide the former is favorable.

Yes you are correct to say it doesn't matter - at least not a great deal - what other countries think, but I was curious because every time we get a foreign country urging that democracy be respected, Suhtep's supporters come on herre and say that foerign country doesn't understand what is going on.

Yet I haven't yet seen a country that supports Suthep. I would like to be proved wrong. If any one can name a few?

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Perhaps Suthep's supporters could inform us of the countries in the world that are currently backing Suthep. Links would be nice.

Whatever the number, the video above won't go toward increasing it. Don't think it matters though. The attempted enrollment of foreign support by and for one side or the other is primarily for domestic consumption. Foreign governments are concerned with stability and trade opportunities more than governmental forms or practices. Most often the later can go hang provide the former is favorable.

Yes you are correct to say it doesn't matter - at least not a great deal - what other countries think, but I was curious because every time we get a foreign country urging that democracy be respected, Suhtep's supporters come on herre and say that foerign country doesn't understand what is going on.

Yet I haven't yet seen a country that supports Suthep. I would like to be proved wrong. If any one can name a few?

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Egypt probably supports him. They had a military coup there and overthrew an elected president. North Korea is bound to support him. Totalitarian dictators stick together. Zimbabwe might be sympathetic.

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Perhaps Suthep's supporters could inform us of the countries in the world that are currently backing Suthep. Links would be nice.

Whatever the number, the video above won't go toward increasing it. Don't think it matters though. The attempted enrollment of foreign support by and for one side or the other is primarily for domestic consumption. Foreign governments are concerned with stability and trade opportunities more than governmental forms or practices. Most often the later can go hang provide the former is favorable.

Yes you are correct to say it doesn't matter - at least not a great deal - what other countries think, but I was curious because every time we get a foreign country urging that democracy be respected, Suhtep's supporters come on herre and say that foerign country doesn't understand what is going on.

Yet I haven't yet seen a country that supports Suthep. I would like to be proved wrong. If any one can name a few?

I guess they're saying (rightly, wrongly or muddleheadedly) that they don't have that support because they're not understood. Mind you, it's a very hard thing to understand or comprehend.

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Perhaps Suthep's supporters could inform us of the countries in the world that are currently backing Suthep. Links would be nice.

Whatever the number, the video above won't go toward increasing it. Don't think it matters though. The attempted enrollment of foreign support by and for one side or the other is primarily for domestic consumption. Foreign governments are concerned with stability and trade opportunities more than governmental forms or practices. Most often the later can go hang provide the former is favorable.

Yes you are correct to say it doesn't matter - at least not a great deal - what other countries think, but I was curious because every time we get a foreign country urging that democracy be respected, Suhtep's supporters come on herre and say that foerign country doesn't understand what is going on.

Yet I haven't yet seen a country that supports Suthep. I would like to be proved wrong. If any one can name a few?

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Egypt probably supports him. They had a military coup there and overthrew an elected president. North Korea is bound to support him. Totalitarian dictators stick together. Zimbabwe might be sympathetic.

Nah, Mao didn't stick with Krushchev who didn't stick with Mao. And famously Stalin and Hitler didn't stick together either. Franco stuck with everyone and everyone stuck with him.

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"This is a matter for the people of Thailand, but I hope their political leaders will find a way forward," he said.

Can't see anything wrong with what he said.

A good and sensible statement from the British foreign secretary.

May be he failed as PM....but he is doing a good job now.

Agree he said nothing wrong. However, he was never PM. He was opposition leader when Tony Blair was practically unbeatable.

He would make a good PM now, pity Thailand don't have many politicians of his caliber.

Hahaha - Hague is a failed politician Governing with a party with a 27% mandate - learn about you own country PLEASE before instructing ours!

How can he be a failed politician if he holds such a senior position? Also you don't see him being accused of massive corruption unlike nearly all of your so called politicians, plus you really don't understand democracy as you never really had too fight for it, lucky for you there has always been super powers to restore it for you! If not you'd be speaking Japanese now wouldn't you!!!

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