Protest leader Suthep marches again today seeking financial aid for farmers

[bigbamboo]

10million baht to be raised in today's march there must be some very wealthy people on that particular route that is a huge amount of 20,50 and 100 baht notes who will account for what goes into Suthep's pocket and the farmers pockets !!!

The big notes goes into Sutheps pockets. And the coins goes to the farmers

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I wonder where Suthep could possibly have got that idea from?...............

[JesseFrank]

I hope that the farmers get paid soon. This is Bulls*&t, leaving the farmers hanging like this, after promising them the money for their rice, to be paid last October.

If not for the current political impasse, I'm fairly certain that payments would have been forthcoming. As it is, the caretaker govt's hands are tied and no one has any solution other than saying that they should have been paid already (which incidentally, is NOT a solution).

Some will undoubtedly say that the simplest solution is for YL to resign and magically, everything will be fine again. Unfortunately, it is not as simple as that. This is a high stakes game and only a naive child would think that that is a feasible solution.

why do you always totally avoid the fact these payments are from before the protest started, does that spoil your biased garbage replies. The govt has owed this money for a very long time but they have used it elsewhere(their own personal accounts maybe) but you continually deny this and say it is due to the protest. As long as you lot cannot admit to the truth we will keep seeing all the lies and innuendo that you prefer, pretty pathetic really, must be reading the red handbook on blaming others for everything.

Why do you let your bias prevent you from reading what is actually written rather than what you want to read? I do not avoid the fact that these payments were due before the protests started. If you would like to retread my post, you might (if you don't let your bias get in the way) realise that I made no mention of any protests.

Instead, I am referring to the current political impasse which is preventing the formation of a govt which will have the necessary authority to start making payments.

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So in fact of saying it's raining, you use the words, it's wet and cloudy outside. You should look for a job as weatherman.

To use your own tact of words, I can say.

The cloudy situation prevents the PM from digging a new, and bigger hole, to fill up the previous dug one.

[toybits]

Do unto others what they do unto you. Right? Everyone has some dirty linen behind the curtains. Time to open up those curtains a bit...

Quoted from OP "Akanat Promphan, spokesman of the anti-government People’s Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC), said the government and ruling Pheu Thai Party were trying to discredit people who have organised a forum to seriously discuss national reform."

As the Anti-government protest leaders are running out of steam, they are encouraging more anarchy by harnessing the ire of rice farmers. Now if they had not force the government to dissolve parliament, those issues would have already been resolved. Are the anti-government protesters going to take responsibility for that? Have the anti-government explained to those farmers that the reason the interim government cannot address the rice farmers complaints is because they (the anti-government protesters) forced the government to resign and hold a new general election? Furthermore, by blocking the elections, they cause further delay in resolving the rice farmers problems?

[rickirs]

I hope that the farmers get paid soon. This is Bulls*&t, leaving the farmers hanging like this, after promising them the money for their rice, to be paid last October.

If not for the current political impasse, I'm fairly certain that payments would have been forthcoming. As it is, the caretaker govt's hands are tied and no one has any solution other than saying that they should have been paid already (which incidentally, is NOT a solution).

Some will undoubtedly say that the simplest solution is for YL to resign and magically, everything will be fine again. Unfortunately, it is not as simple as that. This is a high stakes game and only a naive child would think that that is a feasible solution.

If not for the current political impasse, I'm fairly certain that payments would have been forthcoming...

Yes, but where from? Let's just pretend for a minute that there was no political impasse. Now where do you suppose the Yingluck administration would have raised the money?

Loans from the banks or sale of treasury bonds.

[JesseFrank]

Do unto others what they do unto you. Right? Everyone has some dirty linen behind the curtains. Time to open up those curtains a bit...

Quoted from OP "Akanat Promphan, spokesman of the anti-government People’s Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC), said the government and ruling Pheu Thai Party were trying to discredit people who have organised a forum to seriously discuss national reform."

As the Anti-government protest leaders are running out of steam, they are encouraging more anarchy by harnessing the ire of rice farmers. Now if they had not force the government to dissolve parliament, those issues would have already been resolved. Are the anti-government protesters going to take responsibility for that? Have the anti-government explained to those farmers that the reason the interim government cannot address the rice farmers complaints is because they (the anti-government protesters) forced the government to resign and hold a new general election? Furthermore, by blocking the elections, they cause further delay in resolving the rice farmers problems?

You may be right about that. Had parliament not been forced to close down, then probably now Thaksin would have been sat on his throne somewhere on Siam square, with a bucket containing 2.2 Trillion Baht beside him, handing out money to his slaves farmers for their harvest

[Gweiloman]

I hope that the farmers get paid soon. This is Bulls*&t, leaving the farmers hanging like this, after promising them the money for their rice, to be paid last October.

If not for the current political impasse, I'm fairly certain that payments would have been forthcoming. As it is, the caretaker govt's hands are tied and no one has any solution other than saying that they should have been paid already (which incidentally, is NOT a solution).

Some will undoubtedly say that the simplest solution is for YL to resign and magically, everything will be fine again. Unfortunately, it is not as simple as that. This is a high stakes game and only a naive child would think that that is a feasible solution.

So what's you solution???

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Seriously, I don't know. There must be some legislation in place that would allow even a caretaker govt to repay a legal and contractually binding debt. After all, this debt was not incurred by the current caretaker govt but the legal govt of that time.

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[toybits]

But the best Mr. Suthep can do is pay them (the rice farmers) lip service??? What are his plans to help them out of this mess -except to prolong their agony? What concrete steps does Mr. Suthep have to resolve the rice pledging problem? Is dragging Mr. Taksin into the fray your best shot? Come on dude... You can do better than that. Can you?

Do unto others what they do unto you. Right? Everyone has some dirty linen behind the curtains. Time to open up those curtains a bit...

Quoted from OP "Akanat Promphan, spokesman of the anti-government People’s Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC), said the government and ruling Pheu Thai Party were trying to discredit people who have organised a forum to seriously discuss national reform."

As the Anti-government protest leaders are running out of steam, they are encouraging more anarchy by harnessing the ire of rice farmers. Now if they had not force the government to dissolve parliament, those issues would have already been resolved. Are the anti-government protesters going to take responsibility for that? Have the anti-government explained to those farmers that the reason the interim government cannot address the rice farmers complaints is because they (the anti-government protesters) forced the government to resign and hold a new general election? Furthermore, by blocking the elections, they cause further delay in resolving the rice farmers problems?

You may be right about that. Had parliament not been forced to close down, then probably now Thaksin would have been sat on his throne somewhere on Siam square, with a bucket containing 2.2 Trillion Baht beside him, handing out money to his slaves farmers for their harvest

[Siripon]

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[RJF]

How nice of Suthep, trying to help the rice farmers. Just one thing is not clear to me: are these the same uneducated rice farmers he accused of not being able to understand politics and whose votes should not fully count according to him?

[rickirs]

"..a people’s government must be set up as soon as possible so that rice in state stockpiles would be urgently sold to get money for farmers" .... A big order from China was already lost due to the anti-government protests. Just exactly to whom would the rice "be urgently sold to" to pay for the farmers - Big C stores? Suthep and any of his "people's" committees or governments have no standing with any foreign government to conduct such sales and also reallize that the rice is currently in the PTP government hands. So Suthep is blowing smoke to get the farmers to embrace his insurrection and nothing more. Now if the wealthy in the Democrat Party were to bundle their private funds and/or get personal loans from the banks to buy the rice from the government, that would be beneficial to the farmers. But I think you'll find the Democrats are very close to their money and, if there's no immediate political payback, they're uninterested in the farmer's plight.

[rwhoov]

Suthep's raising money again? And who believes that none of it will go into his pockets? LOL

[JesseFrank]

But the best Mr. Suthep can do is pay them (the rice farmers) lip service??? What are his plans to help them out of this mess -except to prolong their agony? What concrete steps does Mr. Suthep have to resolve the rice pledging problem? Is dragging Mr. Taksin into the fray your best shot? Come on dude... You can do better than that. Can you?

Do unto others what they do unto you. Right? Everyone has some dirty linen behind the curtains. Time to open up those curtains a bit...

Quoted from OP "Akanat Promphan, spokesman of the anti-government People’s Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC), said the government and ruling Pheu Thai Party were trying to discredit people who have organised a forum to seriously discuss national reform."

As the Anti-government protest leaders are running out of steam, they are encouraging more anarchy by harnessing the ire of rice farmers. Now if they had not force the government to dissolve parliament, those issues would have already been resolved. Are the anti-government protesters going to take responsibility for that? Have the anti-government explained to those farmers that the reason the interim government cannot address the rice farmers complaints is because they (the anti-government protesters) forced the government to resign and hold a new general election? Furthermore, by blocking the elections, they cause further delay in resolving the rice farmers problems?

You may be right about that. Had parliament not been forced to close down, then probably now Thaksin would have been sat on his throne somewhere on Siam square, with a bucket containing 2.2 Trillion Baht beside him, handing out money to his slaves farmers for their harvest

I don't see any reason why Suthep should have any duty to clean up the previous government mess.

He already has taken up the task that they don't ruin the country any further.

[ratcatcher]

Suthep just on Blue Sky TV posing for group souvenir photos outside Thonglor police station.

Perhaps the BIB were having lunch and a few drinks with Chalerm.

[dru2]

I hope that the farmers get paid soon. This is Bulls*&t, leaving the farmers hanging like this, after promising them the money for their rice, to be paid last October.

If not for the current political impasse, I'm fairly certain that payments would have been forthcoming. As it is, the caretaker govt's hands are tied and no one has any solution other than saying that they should have been paid already (which incidentally, is NOT a solution).

Some will undoubtedly say that the simplest solution is for YL to resign and magically, everything will be fine again. Unfortunately, it is not as simple as that. This is a high stakes game and only a naive child would think that that is a feasible solution.

why do you always totally avoid the fact these payments are from before the protest started, does that spoil your biased garbage replies. The govt has owed this money for a very long time but they have used it elsewhere(their own personal accounts maybe) but you continually deny this and say it is due to the protest. As long as you lot cannot admit to the truth we will keep seeing all the lies and innuendo that you prefer, pretty pathetic really, must be reading the red handbook on blaming others for everything.

Why do you let your bias prevent you from reading what is actually written rather than what you want to read? I do not avoid the fact that these payments were due before the protests started. If you would like to retread my post, you might (if you don't let your bias get in the way) realise that I made no mention of any protests.

Instead, I am referring to the current political impasse which is preventing the formation of a govt which will have the necessary authority to start making payments.

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Yes, but they will still have to get the money from somewhere. With the various loan scams blocked, who is going to lend it to them? Where is the budget coming from? Can you answer that?

[SamMunich]

toybits is on record with:

As the Anti-government protest leaders are running out of steam, they are encouraging more anarchy by harnessing the ire of rice farmers. Now if they had not force the government to dissolve parliament, those issues would have already been resolved. Are the anti-government protesters going to take responsibility for that? Have the anti-government explained to those farmers that the reason the interim government cannot address the rice farmers complaints is because they (the anti-government protesters) forced the government to resign and hold a new general election? Furthermore, by blocking the elections, they cause further delay in resolving the rice farmers problems?

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O la la, "harnessing the ire of rice farmers". Either this is really dangerous or you wasted your chance of being a writer of funny books.

Fact is, there is no money, and with caretaker or not caretaker gov't, anybody would be damn careful not to lend money, that will never come back. Don't forget, the banks make money and they know very well, who you can trust with lending and who not.

This gov't could try some loan sharks for a chance to get some money...but only when personally responsible, i.e. with their private money at stake <g>.

What makes me wonder is how Nuttawuth and Chatuporn have gone off the screen... And with them about all the other red shirt big shots. Wouldn't they be able to explain all this mess with the rice and so to their followers?

[toybits]

Dude, this is perhaps your most incisive comment so far. Please step back and re-read your comment. Mr. Suthep is already doing a great job of creating chaos. Just ask the ordinary citizen trying to earn a decent living in Bangkok. Try asking the motorbike commuter who was prevented from crossing the Asoke Intersection trying to get home and has to make a long detour after a long days work. Mr. Suthep has a lot to answer for.

But the best Mr. Suthep can do is pay them (the rice farmers) lip service??? What are his plans to help them out of this mess -except to prolong their agony? What concrete steps does Mr. Suthep have to resolve the rice pledging problem? Is dragging Mr. Taksin into the fray your best shot? Come on dude... You can do better than that. Can you?

Do unto others what they do unto you. Right? Everyone has some dirty linen behind the curtains. Time to open up those curtains a bit...

Quoted from OP "Akanat Promphan, spokesman of the anti-government People’s Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC), said the government and ruling Pheu Thai Party were trying to discredit people who have organised a forum to seriously discuss national reform."

As the Anti-government protest leaders are running out of steam, they are encouraging more anarchy by harnessing the ire of rice farmers. Now if they had not force the government to dissolve parliament, those issues would have already been resolved. Are the anti-government protesters going to take responsibility for that? Have the anti-government explained to those farmers that the reason the interim government cannot address the rice farmers complaints is because they (the anti-government protesters) forced the government to resign and hold a new general election? Furthermore, by blocking the elections, they cause further delay in resolving the rice farmers problems?

You may be right about that. Had parliament not been forced to close down, then probably now Thaksin would have been sat on his throne somewhere on Siam square, with a bucket containing 2.2 Trillion Baht beside him, handing out money to his slaves farmers for their harvest

I don't see any reason why Suthep should have any duty to clean up the previous government mess.

He already has taken up the task that they don't ruin the country any further.

[Just1Voice]

Anyone who believes Suthep is doing this for the good of the farmers out of the goodness of his heart is purely delusional. Suthep couldn't care less about those he has repeated called ignorant, and who's vote should count for less than those of the "BKK educated elite". This is nothing more than a grandstand play for press and photo ops.

[JesseFrank]

Dude, this is perhaps your most incisive comment so far. Please step back and re-read your comment. Mr. Suthep is already doing a great job of creating chaos. Just ask the ordinary citizen trying to earn a decent living in Bangkok. Try asking the motorbike commuter who was prevented from crossing the Asoke Intersection trying to get home and has to make a long detour after a long days work. Mr. Suthep has a lot to answer for.

Ever heard about the expression " No pain , No gain " ?

Of course Suthep is creating chaos, especially in this crooked government, but if he was so much hated by the Bangkok citizens for what he is doing, then why are they lining up to donate money.

You realize that are no Southerners in the pictures donating money, beut ordinary Bangkok citizens?

[ratcatcher]

Surely the whole purpose of this impasse is to prevent the PTP from reassembling as a government and continuing where they left off a couple of months ago, stealing, scamming and obfuscating.

It is obvious all stops are being pulled out to prevent elections before that deadline when they are no longer caretakers.

Some posters are adamant that Suthep doesn't care about the farmers, that may be unfair but today, apparently Yingluck avoided meeting them in Muang tong and sent two deputies to pacify them. Nice work Poo.

[BlueNoseCodger]

Dude, this is perhaps your most incisive comment so far. Please step back and re-read your comment. Mr. Suthep is already doing a great job of creating chaos. Just ask the ordinary citizen trying to earn a decent living in Bangkok. Try asking the motorbike commuter who was prevented from crossing the Asoke Intersection trying to get home and has to make a long detour after a long days work. Mr. Suthep has a lot to answer for.

Ever heard about the expression " No pain , No gain " ?

Of course Suthep is creating chaos, especially in this crooked government, but if he was so much hated by the Bangkok citizens for what he is doing, then why are they lining up to donate money.

You realize that are no Southerners in the pictures donating money, beut ordinary Bangkok citizens?

So your argument is from a Jane Fonda workout video?

Most pain has no gain, that's why we have hospitals to cut off the pain causing bit in a procedure known as surgery.

Edited February 10, 2014 by BlueNoseCodger

[wprime]

I hope that the farmers get paid soon. This is Bulls*&t, leaving the farmers hanging like this, after promising them the money for their rice, to be paid last October.

If not for the current political impasse, I'm fairly certain that payments would have been forthcoming. As it is, the caretaker govt's hands are tied and no one has any solution other than saying that they should have been paid already (which incidentally, is NOT a solution).

Some will undoubtedly say that the simplest solution is for YL to resign and magically, everything will be fine again. Unfortunately, it is not as simple as that. This is a high stakes game and only a naive child would think that that is a feasible solution.

It's not that simple, YL couldn't get a loan bill to pass in the senate to pay the farmers before dissolution, what makes you think she could get it past now?

[BlueNoseCodger]

Surely the whole purpose of this impasse is to prevent the PTP from reassembling as a government and continuing where they left off a couple of months ago, stealing, scamming and obfuscating.

It is obvious all stops are being pulled out to prevent elections before that deadline when they are no longer caretakers.

Some posters are adamant that Suthep doesn't care about the farmers, that may be unfair but today, apparently Yingluck avoided meeting them in Muang tong and sent two deputies to pacify them. Nice work Poo.

More baseless allegations and smears.

Suthep complained about how much the campaign had cost him. So how did he expect to recoup the money if he got power?!

He doesn't care about farmers, he wanted to prevent their vote and put in 400 of his chosen ones!

[Robby nz]

The caretaker Govt has already admitted that the money to pay the rice farmers was set to come from the infrastructure budget.

As far as I know there is no other infrastructure budget than the 2.2 trillion.

That is now held up in the courts and in all probability will not go through, even if it does it will mean robbing one project to pay another.

It does leave a huge problem as to where the money is to come from to pay the farmers who should (must) be paid.

Because rice production has increased there is now more than enough to satisfy internal use and even if TL could get back to No1 export slot there would still be surplus this year and probably next as well.

That means the mountain has in reality no chance of being sold as buyers will want new seasons rice not old stored stuff.

That leaves borrowing as the only way to get money to pay the farmers which will put the country even deeper in debt and of course it is the people who will eventually have to pay back these debts, with interest.

They have now got themselves into a position where they come up against the law if they do borrow (nothing to do with the protests), the EC told them to go ahead borrow if they want but be it on their own heads

Well they are not willing to take it on their heads instead the farmers must suffer..

So what to do, they have tried selling rice and sold less than half of the last auctioned lots, the last 2 bond issues have been cancelled because no one was interested, the people are saying no way you are taking out savings from the banks, so what does that leave ?

Only thing I can see is to borrow, dip into, call it what you like, the overseas reserves which I believe stand at around US$ 170 billion.

If what I read is correct they have already dropped US$20 billion in the last 2 years so another 200 billion B wont make much of a dent.

But all that would do is get things back to zero with the rice mountain still in place and the debt at around a trillion B.

Then the serious work would have to start buy putting a cabinet in place who knew what they were doing, but at least the farmers wouldn't be starving

[DGIE]

Mr Suthep said he expected to make more than Bt10 million from today’s march, which starts at Ekamai skytrain station and moves along Ekamai Road, New Phetchburi Road, Soi Thonglor and Sukhumvit Road. Asoke intersection where one of the rally sites is located will be his final destination.

I cannot imagine who among the rich along the said road above will donate let's say 1 million baht and who else will add to make it 10million Baht. Is it that easy for Suthep to make money from people?

That is may be one reason why they continuously do the protest.

I think it is the best business so far to just march on the road and ask money from people

[ratcatcher]

Mr Suthep said he expected to make more than Bt10 million from today’s march, which starts at Ekamai skytrain station and moves along Ekamai Road, New Phetchburi Road, Soi Thonglor and Sukhumvit Road. Asoke intersection where one of the rally sites is located will be his final destination.

I cannot imagine who among the rich along the said road above will donate let's say 1 million baht and who else will add to make it 10million Baht. Is it that easy for Suthep to make money from people?

That is may be one reason why they continuously do the protest.

I think it is the best business so far to just march on the road and ask money from people

Had you been observing the march, you would have seen hundreds of mostly women thrusting handfuls of money, mostly 1000 baht notes, at him, I doubt he has a sign around his neck saying something like "Please donate to my retirement fund"

The amount of cash being passed over is amazing. You obviously underestimate the Thonglor area residents willingness to support this man's crusade.

Perhaps this evening we will know the actual amount.

Edited February 10, 2014 by ratcatcher

[gemini81]

Mr Suthep said he expected to make more than Bt10 million from today’s march, which starts at Ekamai skytrain station and moves along Ekamai Road, New Phetchburi Road, Soi Thonglor and Sukhumvit Road. Asoke intersection where one of the rally sites is located will be his final destination.

I cannot imagine who among the rich along the said road above will donate let's say 1 million baht and who else will add to make it 10million Baht. Is it that easy for Suthep to make money from people?

That is may be one reason why they continuously do the protest.

I think it is the best business so far to just march on the road and ask money from people

Read the article, and then do some research on farmers' protests and demands and their needs not being met. He's the only one proactive enough to do anything about it that would materialize into anything, other than PTP using money to throw scraps at farmers from other government accounts. I think you're seeing a blip on a micro level of whats going on, not just some people out begging for money like they're homeless.

[BlueNoseCodger]

Mr Suthep said he expected to make more than Bt10 million from today’s march, which starts at Ekamai skytrain station and moves along Ekamai Road, New Phetchburi Road, Soi Thonglor and Sukhumvit Road. Asoke intersection where one of the rally sites is located will be his final destination.

I cannot imagine who among the rich along the said road above will donate let's say 1 million baht and who else will add to make it 10million Baht. Is it that easy for Suthep to make money from people?

That is may be one reason why they continuously do the protest.

I think it is the best business so far to just march on the road and ask money from people

Well this is from Asok's collection box, so you tell me if its true and he's really collection lots of money donated by concerned Bangkok citizens

He's not funded by the donations on the street, that's for sure.

Edited February 10, 2014 by BlueNoseCodger

[ratcatcher]

Mr Suthep said he expected to make more than Bt10 million from today’s march, which starts at Ekamai skytrain station and moves along Ekamai Road, New Phetchburi Road, Soi Thonglor and Sukhumvit Road. Asoke intersection where one of the rally sites is located will be his final destination.

I cannot imagine who among the rich along the said road above will donate let's say 1 million baht and who else will add to make it 10million Baht. Is it that easy for Suthep to make money from people?

That is may be one reason why they continuously do the protest.

I think it is the best business so far to just march on the road and ask money from people

Well this is from Asok's collection box, so you tell me if its true and he's really collection lots of money donated by concerned Bangkok citizens

suthep-asok-money.jpg

He's not funded by the donations on the street, that's for sure.

Too bad you can't see the enormous amount of cash donations on TV on the Thonglor march. But don't let reality spoil your day.

[casualbiker]

Anyone who believes Suthep is doing this for the good of the farmers out of the goodness of his heart is purely delusional. Suthep couldn't care less about those he has repeated called ignorant, and who's vote should count for less than those of the "BKK educated elite". This is nothing more than a grandstand play for press and photo ops.

I might be wrong but are you SURE Suthep has said that?

I know fancy pants Seri said something similar!

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