CMNightRider Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 nice sort of a bloke.......... How to find a sponsor or a Thai escort cheap The real cost of sex in Thailand 2013 Sex with a Chiang Mai Rajabhat University Girl How to arrange a threesome online in Thailand How to date multiple Thai girls at once Mongers nightlife guide to Chiang Mai the immigration department should sort this maggot out, send him back where he comes from. probably got kicked out of the boy scouts for being a wanke_r and looks like nothing has changed in his life I would stay well clear of knobends like these how do you know? do you even know him? he may just be a clever bloke making money from adverts or page clicks on the internet. he may even be a nice guy. why would immigration care about "this maggot"? nice term for someone you don't even know. i don't know him either... but not so quick to judge. Go to his blog site and read his opinions, then report back. I never heard of this web site until I read about it here. It seems interesting and informative to me. Thanks for the heads up. I just book marked it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FolkGuitar Posted February 17, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted February 17, 2014 For the sake of argument, lets assume for a moment that EVERYONE associated with this group is lowlife pond scum. We won't dicker about that, we'll just start with it. Next, for the sake of argument, lets assume for a moment that EVERYONE associated with this group has helped other foreigners, be they tourists or locals, with translations when they have a problem and need police assistance. That's what they are about. We won't dicker about that one either. I think it's probably safe to assume that since they put in regular hours, they have done this more than once or twice... helped total strangers when they need police assistance. Question: When was the last time you helped a stranger when they needed police assistance? Not helped a friend. Not helped a stranger fix a flat tire or find their way. Helped them when they needed police assistance. Maybe they are 'wannabe's.' Maybe they are wanke_rs. Maybe they are panderers. Maybe baby-killers and mother-rapers. Maybe But definitely they are helping strangers when they need police assistance. I know that's more than I do on a regular basis. I'm guessing it's more than most people do on a regular basis. How about we cut them some slack? Maybe you are one of them.. No, but I appreciate the fact that there are people who are willing to help others. Perhaps even help me one day if I need it. Or you. It's rather nice that Thailand offers a place for those who want to help others, such as the various volunteer organizations, as well at the place for those whose mission in life seems to be to denigrate others, such as ThaiVisa. I like the balance. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonymouse Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I only know one of these Volunteer Police Men and that is Rob from Sausage King, Anyone who has met him I think would agree that he is a down to earth guy who has invested and lived in Thailand for a long time and wants to give a little back to the community. Maybe some of the other guys have hidden agendas or aren't the pillars of society that we are but they obviously play some sort of useful role alongside the local constabulary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saan Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Maybe if they weren't dressed up as 'wannabe coppers' the objections wouldn't be so strong nor would it attract creeps, just the good guys, if the were known simply as translators or tourists assistants. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolkGuitar Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Maybe if they weren't dressed up as 'wannabe coppers' the objections wouldn't be so strong nor would it attract creeps, just the good guys, if the were known simply as translators or tourists assistants. What is the objection to the uniform? Here in Thailand EVERYBODY gets a uniform; teachers, office workers, boy scouts, Condo security guards, travel agents... Why not people who are working as liaison with the police? They don't have police powers, don't carry guns. They don't seem very threatening... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMNightRider Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Maybe if they weren't dressed up as 'wannabe coppers' the objections wouldn't be so strong nor would it attract creeps, just the good guys, if the were known simply as translators or tourists assistants. The majority of small police departments in America, have reserve police who wear department issued uniforms in order to distinguish them from civilians. It would be no different in Thailand. That doesn't make them "wannabe coppers." These people volunteer their time, energy, and expense, to assist regular police who are generally under staffed due to budget constraints. Personally, I think it is a positive program. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Farma Posted February 17, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted February 17, 2014 Maybe if they weren't dressed up as 'wannabe coppers' the objections wouldn't be so strong nor would it attract creeps, just the good guys, if the were known simply as translators or tourists assistants. The majority of small police departments in America, have reserve police who wear department issued uniforms in order to distinguish them from civilians. It would be no different in Thailand. That doesn't make them "wannabe coppers." These people volunteer their time, energy, and expense, to assist regular police who are generally under staffed due to budget constraints. Personally, I think it is a positive program. This isn't the USA. These volunteers are there to assist with translations and other administrative tasks. There's no need to be dressed up in pseudo police uniforms and driving some home designed "police car". There are plenty of Thai govt staff working in normal clothing with small logos indicating what department they belong to. Perhaps these volunteers will receive more respect if they aren't so in your face with their dress code and means of transport. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolkGuitar Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Considering that Boy Scouts once a week control vehicular traffic flow, I'd say they wield more 'police power' than these volunteer translators. I don't understand why people feel so threatened by them? They are translators. They are expediters. They are the people that properly get your side of the story to the police in times of stress. What is so menacing about uniforms? What frightens you (this is a generic 'you.' Not aimed at anyone in particular,) so? Do you fear they are going to catch you doing something illegal? If so, there is an easy, socially acceptable fix... Back in the 60's we called police 'Pigs.' It was 'cool' to call them 'Pigs.' Right up until we needed their help... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolkGuitar Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 .............Perhaps these volunteers will receive more respect if they aren't so in your face with their dress code and means of transport. "In your face..." To me, this means something that is shoved in front of me constantly, and trying to assert some sort of control or power-play . Personally, I'm on the streets in town every day, both on foot and on a motor bike. I've never seen them myself, much less, seeing them in action. Where are they 'in your face?' Just how often do you see them? I'd be interested to watch them on the street; interested to watch their 'body language' and see if there is a 'power play' going on. 60%-80% of interpersonal communication is via Body Language. It doesn't lie. Look at the person, not the clothing. Having never seen these folks, I'm reluctant to offer opinion about their on-street actions, but from having watched the Volunteer Tourist Police here in Chiang Mai in past years, I never saw any of them getting in anyone's face. Perhaps they did in Pattaya. Perhaps in Phuket too. I don't know. But this is Chiang Mai, and although I often saw them on the streets 5 years ago, I never saw any that were less than helpful to anyone who asked. That's what "I" saw in Chiang Mai. Perhaps you 'saw' something different. If so, please tell us about your experience. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khwaibah Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 .............Perhaps these volunteers will receive more respect if they aren't so in your face with their dress code and means of transport. "In your face..." To me, this means something that is shoved in front of me constantly, and trying to assert some sort of control or power-play . Personally, I'm on the streets in town every day, both on foot and on a motor bike. I've never seen them myself, much less, seeing them in action. Where are they 'in your face?' Just how often do you see them? I'd be interested to watch them on the street; interested to watch their 'body language' and see if there is a 'power play' going on. 60%-80% of interpersonal communication is via Body Language. It doesn't lie. Look at the person, not the clothing. Having never seen these folks, I'm reluctant to offer opinion about their on-street actions, but from having watched the Volunteer Tourist Police here in Chiang Mai in past years, I never saw any of them getting in anyone's face. Perhaps they did in Pattaya. Perhaps in Phuket too. I don't know. But this is Chiang Mai, and although I often saw them on the streets 5 years ago, I never saw any that were less than helpful to anyone who asked. That's what "I" saw in Chiang Mai. Perhaps you 'saw' something different. If so, please tell us about your experience. In Chiang Mai a few years back I have seen them in action extorting free drinks and favors from the bars girls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMNightRider Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Maybe if they weren't dressed up as 'wannabe coppers' the objections wouldn't be so strong nor would it attract creeps, just the good guys, if the were known simply as translators or tourists assistants. The majority of small police departments in America, have reserve police who wear department issued uniforms in order to distinguish them from civilians. It would be no different in Thailand. That doesn't make them "wannabe coppers." These people volunteer their time, energy, and expense, to assist regular police who are generally under staffed due to budget constraints. Personally, I think it is a positive program. This isn't the USA. These volunteers are there to assist with translations and other administrative tasks. There's no need to be dressed up in pseudo police uniforms and driving some home designed "police car". There are plenty of Thai govt staff working in normal clothing with small logos indicating what department they belong to. Perhaps these volunteers will receive more respect if they aren't so in your face with their dress code and means of transport. Even school teachers in Thailand wear uniforms. How can someone be "in your face with their dress code and means of transport?" The only way you would have contact with these people is if you asked them for help or assistance, or you made contact with the Thai police and they needed one of these police volunteers to sort out your problem or malfunction. There should be more people that are civic minded enough to assist the Thai police, and less haters that concern themselves with what others do or don't do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loaded Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) The guy who painted his car to look like a police car tells you whether he sees himself as a volunteer helping the community or as a pseudo policeman with the assumed authority that goes with a police uniform. It shows their intention. Volunteers don't need uniforms or police cars. Which one of these 'volunteers' does the fake police car belong to? Edited February 17, 2014 by Loaded 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mamborobert Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) The issue for me is not the benefit of having Tourist Police and/or Translators and/or assisstants and/or uniforms. The issue for me is like I said in my first post. The robustness and integrity of the selection process. Where were these vacancies advertised, what was the selection criteria, who conducted the interviews, what background checks were done, were embassies/consulates contacted, was there actually a test of Thai profficency, do they hold any accreditation as Interpreters. That good business men or residents volunteer is great. But when one espouses values or demonstartes behaviours in a way that is contradictory to any level of integrity/ethics/professionalism that one would expect from an officer holder (volunteer or otherwise) I do have some issues. Again, like Kwaibah I have seen acts of intimidation/extortion of bar girls by volunteers (in and out of uniform) and not accompanied by regular police. There were clear instances of trying to capitalise on the lack of education of the victim. I actually like the Thai Police and have found them very professional (nothwithstanding helmet fines). I have seen theme deal with two particularly nasty examples of domestic violence (including one with a Farang and one with a knife holder) and they were very impressive. That "maybe" they help to me is not outwieghed by SOME that have very poor standards of behaviour or questionable ethics (purely in relation to the volunteer role). By all means have them......have them in uniform...give them guns whatever I really don't care. I do care about the (no pun intended) calibre of personnel. All in all I (from MY experinece only ) I would rather deal with the Thai Police than a volunteer. Edited February 17, 2014 by mamborobert 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loaded Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Maybe if they weren't dressed up as 'wannabe coppers' the objections wouldn't be so strong nor would it attract creeps, just the good guys, if the were known simply as translators or tourists assistants. The majority of small police departments in America, have reserve police who wear department issued uniforms in order to distinguish them from civilians. It would be no different in Thailand. That doesn't make them "wannabe coppers." These people volunteer their time, energy, and expense, to assist regular police who are generally under staffed due to budget constraints. Personally, I think it is a positive program. This isn't the USA. These volunteers are there to assist with translations and other administrative tasks. There's no need to be dressed up in pseudo police uniforms and driving some home designed "police car". There are plenty of Thai govt staff working in normal clothing with small logos indicating what department they belong to. Perhaps these volunteers will receive more respect if they aren't so in your face with their dress code and means of transport. Even school teachers in Thailand wear uniforms. How can someone be "in your face with their dress code and means of transport?" The only way you would have contact with these people is if you asked them for help or assistance, or you made contact with the Thai police and they needed one of these police volunteers to sort out your problem or malfunction. There should be more people that are civic minded enough to assist the Thai police, and less haters that concern themselves with what others do or don't do. School teachers don't dress up as policemen and paint their cars to look like police cars. They should only be allowed civilian dress but perhaps with a name tag that tells you who they are and that they are 'volunteer translators' with the RTP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar2 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 nice sort of a bloke.......... How to find a sponsor or a Thai escort cheap The real cost of sex in Thailand 2013 Sex with a Chiang Mai Rajabhat University Girl How to arrange a threesome online in Thailand How to date multiple Thai girls at once Mongers nightlife guide to Chiang Mai the immigration department should sort this maggot out, send him back where he comes from. probably got kicked out of the boy scouts for being a wanke_r and looks like nothing has changed in his life I would stay well clear of knobends like these how do you know? do you even know him? he may just be a clever bloke making money from adverts or page clicks on the internet. he may even be a nice guy. why would immigration care about "this maggot"? nice term for someone you don't even know. i don't know him either... but not so quick to judge. Go to his blog site and read his opinions, then report back. O.K. i'll report back. i had already seen his blog. so what? he's making money. who knows if those are his "opinions" or he is just appealing to people seeking out that kind of stuff. seems like a clever entrepreneur to me. don't believe everything you read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolkGuitar Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 .............Perhaps these volunteers will receive more respect if they aren't so in your face with their dress code and means of transport. "In your face..." To me, this means something that is shoved in front of me constantly, and trying to assert some sort of control or power-play . Personally, I'm on the streets in town every day, both on foot and on a motor bike. I've never seen them myself, much less, seeing them in action. Where are they 'in your face?' Just how often do you see them? I'd be interested to watch them on the street; interested to watch their 'body language' and see if there is a 'power play' going on. 60%-80% of interpersonal communication is via Body Language. It doesn't lie. Look at the person, not the clothing. Having never seen these folks, I'm reluctant to offer opinion about their on-street actions, but from having watched the Volunteer Tourist Police here in Chiang Mai in past years, I never saw any of them getting in anyone's face. Perhaps they did in Pattaya. Perhaps in Phuket too. I don't know. But this is Chiang Mai, and although I often saw them on the streets 5 years ago, I never saw any that were less than helpful to anyone who asked. That's what "I" saw in Chiang Mai. Perhaps you 'saw' something different. If so, please tell us about your experience. In Chiang Mai a few years back I have seen them in action extorting free drinks and favors from the bars girls. All of them? Or just one... I've seen plenty of people in the 'uniform' of ex-pats trying to cage free drinks and favors. Didn't need anything so formal as police-style dress. I don't question what you saw. But I do wonder why anyone would consider for even a moment feeling pressured by someone with absolutely no power? Everyone knows they wield no police power. I wonder how they would react if a Boy Scout came in and tried to extort free drinks and favors? For certainly Boy Scouts have more police power than these volunteers. They can at least control vehicular traffic around the schools. Just what can these volunteers do other than offer help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMNightRider Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I believe Thai police volunteers wearing police uniforms and being assigned marked police vehicle's was the decision of the Thai police commanders. Maybe all the Thai Visa posters that are troubled by police volunteers wearing uniforms and driving a marked police vehicle could share their concerns with the commanders of the Thai police. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolkGuitar Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 ...... They should only be allowed civilian dress but perhaps with a name tag that tells you who they are and that they are 'volunteer translators' with the RTP. Why? What is your objection to their uniforms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loaded Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I believe Thai police volunteers wearing police uniforms and being assigned marked police vehicle's was the decision of the Thai police commanders. Maybe all the Thai Visa posters that are troubled by police volunteers wearing uniforms and driving a marked police vehicle could share their concerns with the commanders of the Thai police. "assigned marked police vehicles" - are you sure? I think he just painted his own Fortuner in the colours of the RTP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loaded Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 ...... They should only be allowed civilian dress but perhaps with a name tag that tells you who they are and that they are 'volunteer translators' with the RTP. Why? What is your objection to their uniforms? They are not policemen. They are volunteer translators. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 The guy who painted his car to look like a police car tells you whether he sees himself as a volunteer helping the community or as a pseudo policeman with the assumed authority that goes with a police uniform. It shows their intention. Volunteers don't need uniforms or police cars. Which one of these 'volunteers' does the fake police car belong to? What makes you think it is someone's personal vehicle? It looks like something that might be in the police fleet to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khwaibah Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 "All of them? Or just one... I've seen plenty of people in the 'uniform' of ex-pats trying to cage free drinks and favors. Didn't need anything so formal as police-style dress. I don't question what you saw. But I do wonder why anyone would consider for even a moment feeling pressured by someone with absolutely no power? Everyone knows they wield no police power. I wonder how they would react if a Boy Scout came in and tried to extort free drinks and favors? For certainly Boy Scouts have more police power than these volunteers. They can at least control vehicular traffic around the schools. Just what can these volunteers do other than offer help?" More than one and but it only takes one bad apple to spoil the lot. There are some good meaning individuals but the persona of this group of volunteers has been set by their past action threw out Thailand including Chiang Mai and as long as they dress as a local authority and drive flashy vehicles they will never be accepted. To my knowledge this is the 3rd time this is being tried in Chiang Mai. Any side bets on its success? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMNightRider Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I believe Thai police volunteers wearing police uniforms and being assigned marked police vehicle's was the decision of the Thai police commanders. Maybe all the Thai Visa posters that are troubled by police volunteers wearing uniforms and driving a marked police vehicle could share their concerns with the commanders of the Thai police. "assigned marked police vehicles" - are you sure? I think he just painted his own Fortuner in the colours of the RTP. I doubt if he painted his vehicle with police plastered all over it if he didn't have permission to do so by the Thai police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samba2014 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Can I get a link to this. Guy's blog? Sent from my Nexus 5 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loaded Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I believe Thai police volunteers wearing police uniforms and being assigned marked police vehicle's was the decision of the Thai police commanders. Maybe all the Thai Visa posters that are troubled by police volunteers wearing uniforms and driving a marked police vehicle could share their concerns with the commanders of the Thai police. "assigned marked police vehicles" - are you sure? I think he just painted his own Fortuner in the colours of the RTP. I doubt if he painted his vehicle with police plastered all over it if he didn't have permission to do so by the Thai police. You said it was an assigned vehicle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMNightRider Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I believe Thai police volunteers wearing police uniforms and being assigned marked police vehicle's was the decision of the Thai police commanders. Maybe all the Thai Visa posters that are troubled by police volunteers wearing uniforms and driving a marked police vehicle could share their concerns with the commanders of the Thai police. "assigned marked police vehicles" - are you sure? I think he just painted his own Fortuner in the colours of the RTP. I doubt if he painted his vehicle with police plastered all over it if he didn't have permission to do so by the Thai police. You said it was an assigned vehicle. Lol, you said it was his own vehicle. I just replied. The point is, I doubt if a foreigner would be driving around Thailand, with a marked police vehicle unless he had the blessing of the Thai police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolkGuitar Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Right. They are not policemen. What does that have to do with anything? Thais like uniforms. They have uniforms for many different occupations other than police, military, fire, etc., such as teachers, pharmacists, doctors, and they ALL look rather 'imposing.' Are you intimidated by your pharmacist? Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 A number of reported posts containing personal attacks and inflammatory remarks have been removed, the quoted replies have also been removed. the topic can be discussed with getting into all these personal insults I am sure 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywais Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Another flame removed. Further such remarks may find the member's posting abilities suspended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nivram4491 Posted February 17, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted February 17, 2014 Can I get a link to this. Guy's blog? Sent from my Nexus 5 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app I found the blog by doing a Google search. Two hours later the same Google search didn't find the page and I don't understand why. I had to go through my history to find the link which is below. http://www.livingthai.org/sex-with-a-chiang-mai-rajabhat-university-girl.html I would be embarrassed to read a blog like this for any thing other than to check this individual out. Mods: Please spend a few minutes to read the blog referred to above to see the state of this person's mind before rejecting posts. I can't express my true feelings which would include expressions such as sick without this post being rejected. To allow this person to be in an official position where there is even the tiniest chance of his being able to use the position to take advantage of Thai girls is totally outrageous. Many of us are happy to escape the political correctness of the West but there are limits which should not be exceeded. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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