Thai protesters determined to stay the course and oust government

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Protesters determined to stay the course and oust government
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Rubber farmer Jariya Luenam from Krabi, 50, sees the Bangkok shutdown campaign as effective, though there is no end in sight to the protest because she says the government has failed to repent.

Oyster farmer Thammanoon Pedthung from Surat Thani, 62, believes the shutdown has to be stepped up because the government has been indifferent. Laying siege to state premises may put pressure on the government, but the measure has also caused negative consequences for the business sector, he says. If the government's downfall is brought about by court verdicts in various cases against the government, the PDRC will not have to work hard, he adds.

Auto-parts trader Chamrin Charoenthawornchai from Bangkok, 52, says more people have taken part in the shutdown because they knew the government was really bad and they could help oust it. But it was stubborn, she said, because it did not want to have court cases haunting it.

She believed the country would be much better if it undergoes major reforms.



Gardener Chira Chanmuangthai from Krabi, 62, said although the government has not resigned after one-month of the shutdown campaign, he would continue taking part in the rally till they receive victory.

He said he was not worried about his work in the south because his family could take care of it. He was more concerned about the country.

Garment trader Chaicharn Thorher from Bangkok, 50, said since the shutdown campaign had so far failed to oust the government, the PDRC may have to turn to courts for help. If the government did not accept the courts' authority, the last resort is the military. "If the military does not come out, then people should besiege the PM. I will fight till we win,'' he said.

Food trader Kanha Thanomthai from Phuket, 50, said she could not believe that the government was so "thick skinned", but she would continue with the rally till PDRC chief Suthep Thaugsuban won. If Suthep was arrested, she would follow him everywhere, she said.

Former bank teller Nattaporn Charoenrit said although the protesters have not won, they achieved certain level of success in creating political awareness especially young people and those in the entertainment sector against corruption. Good people must not allow bad people to do bad deeds.

Chatchada (last name not revealed) from Ayuthaya, said she felt tired and disheartened sometimes but with her strong will she said defeat was out of the question. She judged the level of the campaign's success as half way, saying when there was no daily attack on the protesters it was a victory.

Phetchaburi resident Daeng Kiewcha-um said the campaign had made a significant progress with increasing numbers of people not only from Bangkok but provinces joining the demonstration to oust the government. Since the government is not going to give up easily, the protesters have no choice but continue their struggle.


-- The Nation 2014-02-17

[Red Snake]

So it's one side of the story like always from The Nation.

[Fryslan boppe]

Quoting a bunch of PAD-Dem's doesn't do much...other than simply state the obvious about them.

There is consistency about these people however. Not only in their anti-democratic pronouncements, but also their 'type'.

One can tell their 'kind' a mile away...or at least I can.

They have a certain arrogance and 'know-it-all' appearance......Seemingly walking around with a 'chip' on their shoulder.....Simply put, they have 'attitude'

They are very certain about their view of the political realm, and have nothing but disdain for those not of their station or not of their persuasion. The speakers leading the coup-mongers feed this 'attitude'..........They have stickers on their vehicles of the Thai flag, Thai flag ribbons in their hair and other Thai flag paraphernalia....I wouldn't have even noticed it if UDD/RS's I live amongst hadn't pointed it out....It is almost as if they are laying sole claim to the Thai flag and all it represents....thereby implying they are the 'true believers and excluding all other citizens.

It also implies they think they possess political truths unassailable, and to which the electorate should conform....There is seemingly little thought to adapting themselves to the diverse Thai electorate...Without listening to the speeches from coup-monger stages, there simply seem to be one diatribe after the other demonizing the Govt. and the millions who elect and constantly re-elect them...At least that is what I am told.

It is why I take such pleasure in seeing the electoral majority reject such a self-righteous sense of exclusivity and keeping them on the political sidelines....They would be insufferable otherwise.

[tomyummer]

Quoting a bunch of PAD-Dem's doesn't do much...other than simply state the obvious about them.

There is consistency about these people however. Not only in their anti-democratic pronouncements, but also their 'type'.

One can tell their 'kind' a mile away...or at least I can.

They have a certain arrogance and 'know-it-all' appearance......Seemingly walking around with a 'chip' on their shoulder.....Simply put, they have 'attitude'

They are very certain about their view of the political realm, and have nothing but disdain for those not of their station or not of their persuasion. The speakers leading the coup-mongers feed this 'attitude'..........They have stickers on their vehicles of the Thai flag, Thai flag ribbons in their hair and other Thai flag paraphernalia....I wouldn't have even noticed it if UDD/RS's I live amongst hadn't pointed it out....It is almost as if they are laying sole claim to the Thai flag and all it represents....thereby implying they are the 'true believers and excluding all other citizens.

It also implies they think they possess political truths unassailable, and to which the electorate should conform....There is seemingly little thought to adapting themselves to the diverse Thai electorate...Without listening to the speeches from coup-monger stages, there simply seem to be one diatribe after the other demonizing the Govt. and the millions who elect and constantly re-elect them...At least that is what I am told.

It is why I take such pleasure in seeing the electoral majority reject such a self-righteous sense of exclusivity and keeping them on the political sidelines....They would be insufferable otherwise.

What you've stated can actually be applied to the other side as well. So we're still stuck at zero.

[jollyman]

So it's one side of the story like always from The Nation. The Nation news paper is CRAP and yellow Bellies

[Davidhere]

There is consistency about these people however.

One can tell their 'kind' a mile away...or at least I can.

They have a certain arrogance and 'know-it-all' appearance......Seemingly walking around with a 'chip' on their shoulder.....Simply put, they have 'attitude'

And vice versa for...

UDD/RS's I live amongst

[iancnx]

Need to find the middle ground indeed!

[Davidhere]

So it's one side of the story like always from The Nation. The Nation news paper is CRAP and yellow Bellies

Just stay tuned for the next CRAP news thread with one side of the story for the red Bellies from KhaoSod news.

[chainarong]

There is something you need when you go down this road, plenty of support, from the beginning I thought Suthep might be slightly short on big support, it is no use having the few, hanging around trying to over throw a government ( , you need millions for this Administration ), when you picture the scenes from 1992 and the present , it started out on target , but the momentum dwindled , in 92 it increased and just got to a stage where the soldiers etc refused to shoot their family and friends and joined the protesters, this is possibly the only way to off load this arrogant government, unless there is a major reversal, Suthep may as well pack it in and wait till the PTP really excel themselves ,in something dodgy, they (PTP) can't help themselves , they will Perhaps Democracy may prevail and they will get voted out , I wont hold my breath though.

[kikoman]

Did not even bother to read it!

The daily proclamation from the propaganda machine, ran of of any newsworthy items related to the protest!

It has died, burial long overdue, RIP.

Cheers

[englishoak]

May as well give the people left out there a profile and mini interview it wouldnt take more than 5 mins, its not like the Nation can slap up pics or talk enthusiastically about the masses on the streets much these days.

I expect to see people sat on the floor of walkovers soon with a sign saying 15 hungry protesters to feed please help

[Blackmirage2013]

Stay the course, but DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT!!!!

What you are doing is not really working and is just a pain in the ass for everyone....

Do something more focused. Have a brainstorming session and invite people to help you think of EFFECTIVE ways to shut down the government.... this populist thinking is so 20th Century... what do you think, we are in the French Revolution??!!

Focus on the problem. Don't just shoot your wad and splash everyone with nonsense and inconvenience that hardly achieves what you want.

Don't you know that Yingluck does not care about people living in Bangkok? Otherwise she would have acted more forcefully. She does not care!!!! Making people suffer is ineffective. Make HER suffer! lols

[Davidhere]

Did not even bother to read it!

But not not write about it!

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Edited February 17, 2014 by Davidhere

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Stay the course, but DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT!!!!

What you are doing is not really working and is just a pain in the ass for everyone....

Do something more focused. Have a brainstorming session and invite people to help you think of EFFECTIVE ways to shut down the government.... this populist thinking is so 20th Century... what do you think, we are in the French Revolution??!!

Focus on the problem. Don't just shoot your wad and splash everyone with nonsense and inconvenience that hardly achieves what you want.

Don't you know that Yingluck does not care about people living in Bangkok? Otherwise she would have acted more forcefully. She does not care!!!! Making people suffer is ineffective. Make HER suffer! lols

Maybe that's PTP's cunning plan a la Baldrick (they're certainly not dissimilar in intellect). simply have Suthep piss the masses off to the point where he's hoist himself on his own petard. I see on BP yet another 'massive and final rally' today

[h90]

Need to find the middle ground indeed!

No...that is the mind set that Thailand brought to where it is.

Thailand need clear laws and these applied, no matter how important the situation is....no compromise. If the government is corrupt than it must go away.

No middle ground...instead of 5 family members in the government only 2.....And direct control only only the police and half the courts. Keep the constitutional court and the military independent....

Only take 25% corruption not 50%....

There is no middle ground with criminals......

And in case the government would be innocent and not guilty at all.....why should it compromise?

[Gweiloman]

Quoting a bunch of PAD-Dem's doesn't do much...other than simply state the obvious about them.

There is consistency about these people however. Not only in their anti-democratic pronouncements, but also their 'type'.

One can tell their 'kind' a mile away...or at least I can.

They have a certain arrogance and 'know-it-all' appearance......Seemingly walking around with a 'chip' on their shoulder.....Simply put, they have 'attitude'

They are very certain about their view of the political realm, and have nothing but disdain for those not of their station or not of their persuasion. The speakers leading the coup-mongers feed this 'attitude'..........They have stickers on their vehicles of the Thai flag, Thai flag ribbons in their hair and other Thai flag paraphernalia....I wouldn't have even noticed it if UDD/RS's I live amongst hadn't pointed it out....It is almost as if they are laying sole claim to the Thai flag and all it represents....thereby implying they are the 'true believers and excluding all other citizens.

It also implies they think they possess political truths unassailable, and to which the electorate should conform....There is seemingly little thought to adapting themselves to the diverse Thai electorate...Without listening to the speeches from coup-monger stages, there simply seem to be one diatribe after the other demonizing the Govt. and the millions who elect and constantly re-elect them...At least that is what I am told.

It is why I take such pleasure in seeing the electoral majority reject such a self-righteous sense of exclusivity and keeping them on the political sidelines....They would be insufferable otherwise.

They are very certain about their view of the political realm, and have nothing but disdain for those not of their station or not of their persuasion

For a minute there, I thought you were referring to "some" TV posters

[LomSak27]

Really ? Going to stay the course eh ... Well - in a nearby town the stop crowd, who have had a stall up in the downtown for 6 weeks or so, suddenly pulled up stakes Sunday and chucked it in.

It's a virulently Yellow town in a red province. I wonder if that means they will cut the contract with the songthaew soundtrucks too

Ok lets get to Plan B and find a new way to get rid of the elected goverment.

[rickirs]

PDRC wants to "oust" the government but not "overthrow" the government because the latter would be unconstitutional. I wonder if its supporters appreciate the nuance between the two words as they continue to talk about overthrow. These Thai anit-government protesters should be saying that they are determined to "exercise their freedom to protest," not oust the government. Otherwise the Constitutional Court will get confused and might actually rule correctly that the PDRC is engaged in overthrowing the government. And that would interrupt Suthep's Crusader Rabbit leadership.

[JoeThePoster]

Rubber farmer Jariya Luenam from Krabi...

Oyster farmer Thammanoon Pedthung from Surat Thani...

Auto-parts trader Chamrin Charoenthawornchai from Bangkok...

Gardener Chira Chanmuangthai from Krabi...

Garment trader Chaicharn Thorher from Bangkok...

Food trader Kanha Thanomthai from Phuket...

Former bank teller Nattaporn Charoenrit...

Chatchada (last name not revealed) from Ayuthaya...

Phetchaburi resident Daeng Kiewcha-um...

No rice farmers?

[Scamper]

The protests have had a profound effect on this administration. If one casts one's mind back to early October, the changes have been dizzying. The administration has been severely rattled and impacted. For one thing, they've lost parliamentary backing, and they have no hope up getting it back before Article 7 takes effect. They have no hope of getting it back before the courts have had their say on a number of key consequential constitutional issues - ranging from the amnesty bill, the senate bill, the emergency decree, the election itself, and the rice scandal. By any accounting, their world - and the country's world - has changed. It is true what one of the protesters says. This will not be decided on the streets. It will be decided through the courts. The Yingluck administration has indeed been resistant, as everyone knew it would be. Everyone knew Thaksin would not budge, either, and dig in his heels. Well, he's doing just that, and it hasn't made a smidgen of difference. He seems to think it's still 2005. He doesn't realize that the country has changed so much since then - just look to the farmers for this shift in consciousness. A person may, from time to time, assume great wealth and great power, but inevitably it's a finite dance. The people always prevail in the end. As they should.

[englishoak]

Scamp the people are not the courts.

So if the courts do dissolve PTP what will stop the old TRT contingency from standing and forming yet another version seeing as the 5 years ban is up on most ? Id say nothing can stop them and would probably still sweep to power because of the animosity a court coup would generate in the country, exactly the same as it did before. Your right the people will prevail and if you make them believe they have been cheated yet again they will not turn to the dems next time either.

The only way to do it is by elections and popular policy, only that will affect real change, it always was and it will be in the future.

[LomSak27]

As Suthep and his Stop movement seems to have failed, one would expect that ...

So if the courts do dissolve PTP

The other allies of the Yellows, PDRC, Dems to step in and do their part

Go Courts!!

[Fryslan boppe]

The protests have had a profound effect on this administration. If one casts one's mind back to early October, the changes have been dizzying. The administration has been severely rattled and impacted. For one thing, they've lost parliamentary backing, and they have no hope up getting it back before Article 7 takes effect. They have no hope of getting it back before the courts have had their say on a number of key consequential constitutional issues - ranging from the amnesty bill, the senate bill, the emergency decree, the election itself, and the rice scandal. By any accounting, their world - and the country's world - has changed. It is true what one of the protesters says. This will not be decided on the streets. It will be decided through the courts. The Yingluck administration has indeed been resistant, as everyone knew it would be. Everyone knew Thaksin would not budge, either, and dig in his heels. Well, he's doing just that, and it hasn't made a smidgen of difference. He seems to think it's still 2005. He doesn't realize that the country has changed so much since then - just look to the farmers for this shift in consciousness. A person may, from time to time, assume great wealth and great power, but inevitably it's a finite dance. The people always prevail in the end. As they should.

"....The people always prevail in the end. As they should".

Correct...

So count the votes, and finish the election.

Not complicated