hellodolly Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 What other reason is there to call someone a troll? You must be wrong but unable to admit it. Or you just don't like someone. There must be another logical reason the other person should not be allowed to disagree with you. If he is lying call him a liar. If he posts a lunatic accusation ask him for a link. If he is off topic tell him he is off topic. There is simply no definition for troll that has any value over the root cause for calling him a troll. Troll is a made up word for wanting to censor a person for disagreeing with you. So by your logic, the term "Troll" doesn't exist simply because there is always a better/more accurate synonym to use instead? Pretty much every noun and verb in the English language has a synonym; they'd save an awful lot of paper printing dictionaries in your world. A troll is someone who's intent is to raise ire without concern for the topic at hand. Someone can be wrong, off-topic or inaccurate without being a troll. An example of a troll post: A few years back on this forum there was a post about Thai's going to Finland to pick Blueberries - and the question was as to whether this was some kind of slave labour. I posted during the thread that my sister-in-law did it each year and actually closed her Bangkok business down for the two months she was out there, as she earned more money in those two months picking than she did the other ten months running a small business in Bangkok. A new poster replied that she must be a prostitute and earns more on her back in Finland that she can earn in Bangkok because she is an ugly prostitute - a second new poster concurred and off they went slagging her off and all Thai females basically. I did try to explain this was not the case, but in usual troll-like manor, they just started to attack me personally too (even though they knew me from Adam - and having never read my posts from before or even bothered to look at my profile - were incredibly way off mark). Now, these people were both wrong, inaccurate and off-topic, but they were more than that, they were Trolls (and yes I did report them - and after they did likewise to others on other posts - they were eventually banned - far too slowly IMO and I told TV support that in the correct offline manor too). Personally, I detest Trolls, but some posters are correct, the term is used far too much and incorrectly here. The Mods to a much better job of killing off real trolls these days than once was the case - and I personally applaud that. A bigger problem here right now, as was in 2010 too, is extremists that spam extorted and vastly inaccurate rhetoric, propaganda and hyperbole on each and every news thread that in anyway is political. These muppets do nothing for any of the threads they post in - no one believes them, and they are merely patted on the back ('liked' and agreed with) by others of their ilk - the same people each time of course. Indeed, these people are worse than trolls as trolls always come across as 12 year old boys that have just discovered expletives, these muppets off-topic every thread and simply entice their equal members in whatever opposite camp there be to post equal and opposite BS. It is easy to ignore trolls for what they are, and being as their IQs equate with chimps, get quickly bored and go and attack Ask.com instead. Muppets, on the other hand, thrive repeating themselves, and patting anyone body else that in any way seems to follow their line, and do not seem to even have a high enough IQ to get bored - like automatons. Threads become unreadable or just to annoying/difficult to read and the topic is killed and viable, relevant, intelligent discourse lost amongst the muppet posts. At long last someone has had the patience and then taken the time to explain that a troll is something OTHER than a poster who disagrees with you or posts facts that contradict your information. BTW, why is so much attention being paid to us mere posters these days ;-? (just askin', is all ;-)) "Sometimes, 'fuggedabowdit' just means fuggedabowdit." "Sometimes, 'fuggedabowdit' just means fuggedabowdit." Sorry just couldn't resist It is as good an answer as we can expect to get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailiketoo Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 (edited) Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Mieczyslaw Maneli said “Wherever there is a loophole in the existing laws protecting traditional American liberties, the opponents of these freedoms try to squeeze in. Whenever legislators create the slightest opening to allow some kind of censorship, the censors will be born and will march again." Edited February 19, 2014 by thailiketoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 i am reliably informed that "troll baiting" is a legal sport ! 'Troll baiting'.... Some may think disagreeing with a poster is troll baiting normally confirmed by the caustic response you get for just having another idea or opinion to them. Troll baiting is trolling. No it isn't! Oh yes it is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaraC Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 In my mind ThaiVista is infested with trolls. Bullies who get their kicks by making others feel uncomfortable. The problem is that trolls quickly drive away the more constructive posters and pretty soon you are left with nothing but trolls. If the mods stamped on those who enjoy being pricks, T.V. would be a much friendlier and useful place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajab Al Zarahni Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I always thought a Troll was an ugly Scandinavian dwarf. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realfunster Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Haven't read the contributions- sorry it is late.... To answer the OP, no they can't. Too many stupid trolls recently to drive traffic (i) multiple and new political agitators regarding the current situation and (ii) stupid Thai-related stories asking for help/advice. Maybe a better question is can the troll-bait stop themselves from biting..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HooHaa Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Maybe instead of only a "Like this" button we could add a "thumbs down" button to encourage people who are too lazy to think of an intelligent civilized reply to vent their disagreement via the button instead of having to waste minutes reading through what I thought was going to have substance but is nothing more then inflammatory and irrelevant rants. BP does it and it seems to cuts out alot of the garbage. brilliant idea. ask jingthing how that worked out last time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 A troll is someone who's intent is to raise ire without concern for the topic at hand. Excellent definition, By that definition, with which I agree, wouldn't this thread be a Troll thread? The OP has raised the subject, but has shown no concern or interest in participating. Do you think he was actually interested in the subject? or do you think he was more interested in raising ire? I see this many times, throw in a bomb, and the stand back and watch the fireworks. There is only one solution to this, and it is not a moderation solution. DONT FEED THE TROLL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wym Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Personally, I detest Trolls, but some posters are correct, the term is used far too much and incorrectly here. The Mods to a much better job of killing off real trolls these days than once was the case - and I personally applaud that. A bigger problem here right now, as was in 2010 too, is extremists that spam extorted and vastly inaccurate rhetoric, propaganda and hyperbole on each and every news thread that in anyway is political. These muppets do nothing for any of the threads they post in - no one believes them, and they are merely patted on the back ('liked' and agreed with) by others of their ilk - the same people each time of course. Also consider the fact that the PR industry (spin doctors) employ people to promote their customers' POV in online forums. That to me is the only explanation for some of these "muppets" as you call them. But actually I would prefer you find another term rather than insulting the real (wonderful) Muppets, as I and my kids really enjoy Jim Henson's work and legacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Removed a troll post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pineconehead Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 13 Posts from the wicketkeeper..... He doth hyperbole much milord! http://books.google.ca/books?id=J2AJAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA160&lpg=PA160&dq=He+doth+hyperbole+much&source=bl&ots=hc-Rapo6Jl&sig=if6yngE3L2JWww590LEV11PrRBk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=tBoFU4rCCZbioASg-4L4Dw&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=He%20doth%20hyperbole%20much&f=false Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianlg Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I'm NOT a Troll BUT there is certainly a lot of "troll-type" BS on TV lately ??? Almost want to "UNSUBSCRIBE" ... BUT keeps me up to date with "goings on" [in TH] when I am home in AU ... SO guess I just have to "SCROLL DOWN" and wear it !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wym Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 You can check out but you can never leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puccini Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 the problem is in the definition. some people - nay on here many people - begin squealing troll every time they encounter a post or a poster they don't agree with or makes them uncomfortable. In my opinion, anybody calling somebody else publicly a troll is a troll himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puccini Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Control the trolls?! .......and eliminate half the membership of TV.... Think Not I believe the contrary to be true. Trolls scare off new members. The elimination of trolls increases membership. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puccini Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Define Troll. The thread will develop from there. Or is this just another troll post? It's been a while since I signed up as a member of Thaivisa but I remember that as part of the registration process I had to read the forum rules and I believe that one of these rules defined trolling. Where is the link to these forum rules? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puccini Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 If Thaivisa were to remove all the "archetypal Machiavellian sadists" from Thaivisa forum, they may end up with only a handful of members left.. Do you see yourself among the "handful of members left"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puccini Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Control the trolls?! .......and eliminate half the membership of TV.... Think Not In this section ?? Way more than half, (in my opinion.) "Sometimes, 'fuggedabowdit' just means fuggedabowdit." Is that you in your avatar? Are you weight-lifting 120 kg in that photo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JDGRUEN Posted February 20, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2014 I can't say that I have actually encountered 'trolls' on TVF but I have run into several curmudgeons who seem to have serotonin and dopamine deprived brain cells. These folks seem to have personalities equivalent to frayed electrical wires sending out groundless sparks at the slightest irritation. Serotonin and dopamine deprivation often comes from too much and too often consumption of alcohol or certain drugs like cocaine in various forms plus a few other addictions. I've noticed that even when a topic is posted in the most sincere form just asking for advice - the response from some of these frayed electrical wire brains is to spew over the top criticism laced with tones of excessive irritation. But as some believe that there are no trolls here - these curmudgeons don't exist on TVF either. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puccini Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 i am reliably informed that "troll baiting" is a legal sport ! What's the difference between baiting a troll and feeding a troll? Is one or the other or are both reprehensible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreetCowboy Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 One way in which Thai Visa controls trolls is by maintaining the General Forum, and a large number of specialist fora covering a great variety of topics. Discussion in the specialist fora is generally sensible. General Forum, perhaps not so. The only exception is the News Forum, which perhaps could be renamed the Shilling Forum, though that perhaps over-values most members' contributions. SC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puccini Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) 13 Posts from the wicketkeeper..... He doth hyperbole much milord! http://books.google.ca/books?id=J2AJAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA160&lpg=PA160&dq=He+doth+hyperbole+much&source=bl&ots=hc-Rapo6Jl&sig=if6yngE3L2JWww590LEV11PrRBk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=tBoFU4rCCZbioASg-4L4Dw&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=He%20doth%20hyperbole%20much&f=false Can hyperbole be used as a verb? The page you linked to uses it as a noun. None of my seven different English dictionaries has it as a verb. Example: http://oald8.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/dictionary/hyperbole. Are you trolling, or am I trolling with this post? While I am at it, should there not be a comma after "much"? Incidentally, thank you for linking to that text. It is quite rare to see old English texts on the web, which make the distinction between ſ as in ſeemed and s as in his. It brought back a lot of old memories. Edited February 20, 2014 by Puccini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wym Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Wow you must be OLD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puccini Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) Memories from a former life, a few hundred years ago. More likely, though, memories of my study of old English literature. Tempi passati (translation: those were the days) I have kept up with the times, though, haven't I, as evidenced by my ability to type the now obsolete letter ſ. Edited February 20, 2014 by Puccini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrry Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Wow you must be OLD Puccini is only 158 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puccini Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) You get top grade in mathematics. My ancestor, the composer Giacomo Puccini, was indeed born 158years ago. P.S. Hold it right there. That was 156 years ago, in 1858, on the 22nd day of December (looked it up on my family tree) Edited February 20, 2014 by Puccini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheapman Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Trolling is a brain sport.... Keep your brain focused, make you younger. Even in retirement house they offer chocolate and Trolling course... :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailiketoo Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Define Troll. The thread will develop from there. Or is this just another troll post? It's been a while since I signed up as a member of Thaivisa but I remember that as part of the registration process I had to read the forum rules and I believe that one of these rules defined trolling. Where is the link to these forum rules? I've posted it twice on this thread so far. Three times might be considered trolling so you may want to go back and look. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrry Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 You get top grade in mathematics. My ancestor, the composer Giacomo Puccini, was indeed born 158years ago. P.S. Hold it right there. That was 156 years ago, in 1858, on the 22nd day of December (looked it up on my family tree) Thai years.....after all it is a Thai forum. Looking at Wikipaedia it seems your family tree needed a lot of working out....glad I am not famous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcopops Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 So will someone define "troll"???? - I think not! Trolling can be defined as the act of purposefully antagonizing other people on the internet by posting controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion. For example, "I think not." Would be antagonistic. I think that your definition is a bit too broad and as hoc to have any credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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