SC Park Hotel pays rallying monk Buddha Issara Bt120,000 in compensation

[khaowong1]

@GentlemanJim //I think I have given enough explanation on what I believe 'bad' is in context to Wiriporns post, it's pretty clear and concise.

Oooh did I say 'disorderly communist boozehounds', I like that but can't lay claim to it I'm afraid. What do you want me to do in 'pointing them out' ? supply names, telephone numbers and addresses at a public rally? I have little time to do requests //

- Well I added since you forgot some. Seriously, some people here must have minority complex similar to some taxi drivers here if they need to go on a name calling rampage against people who happen to disagree with them. And the former poster is right, you are not on topic, you are dwindling off the path.

Now for a serious question, should the monk keep his robe and if yes, please give your opinion to why.

For a serious answer, personally, I do not consider he is suited to monastic life as I understand it, but what he does is his affair. I wholeheartedly disagree that his actions so far represent 'everything that is bad about Thailand embodied in one person', that is drama Queen claptrap. Many monks in Tibet and Myanmar have taken to being prolific campaigners for the rights of the oppressed, and some have even taken to arms. If we apply our interpretation of a 2000 year old code of conduct to modern day monks then the temples would be much less populated than they currently are. Smokers, drinkers, fornicators, materialistic laptop, mobile owning clergy. The fact is that as Buddhism is a personal journey of enlightenment then it has very little to do with anybody else. The action of every true monk is not to help other people, it is governed by doing what they believe is necessary to reach enlightenment. We are still demanding monks follow a 2000 year old code that says they 'cannot carry raw wool for more than 48 km', yet it doesn't say a monk should not have a smart phone. Perhaps if reincarnation is a given and will continue ad infinitum we need an update of the rules and regs rather than using those from 100 lifetimes ago.

I am just amazed there are not more monks involved. Everyone seems to be forgetting the large number of monks in the North that were involved in supporting the red protests in 2010, an inconvenient truth when you are on a rant don't you think.

This is after all nothing new and there is much more to get riled about when leaping on the outrage bus.

Move on there's nothing new here.

[ponchi]

i think is very low respect not let the monk check in the hotel.

[jpduggan]

And I guess there'll be no extortion when this monk and his cronies take over Thailand. The Buddhist mafia!!

[GentlemanJim]

How presumptuous! I warrant SICHONSTEVE knows exactly what sophistry is already If only that was all Thaksin was guilty of.

QOUTE

"I did, and I wouldn't say it was sophistry.

I just thought that his description was more apt and a perfect description for Thaksin, that's all.

I didn't set out to trick or deceive anyone with a clever argument (well, not too much).

Any way, there is nothing wrong with sophistry - a new word for me, I'm impressed that you knew this word and it's meaning. ."

SICHONSTEVE Should be commended for his honesty. It takes a strong character for a man to admit shortcomings.

His views albeit unique, are always supported by some aspects of data, critical thinking and observation.

On the other hand, in your obssessive compulson to attack all things Thaksin (or perceived to be in his favor) flew off the handle in a fit of emotion and fell into the pit of hubris. Look it up.

Take a clue from Sichonsteve and emulate his nature and character.

You think that my post was 'flying off the handle in a fit of emotion' I think you fell in to the pit of drama queen bull sh*t. Look it up.

[tilac2]

Weren't they in the process of disrobing this joker??

I expect he got disrobed in soi Cowboy soon after: 120,000 Baht should get him "special service".

[asiamint]

paying 120k for a 4.2k deposit?

sheer madness.

monks are forbidden for handling money, as seen in this pic

Monks that have attained a level of respect and trust are allowed to handle money(what does money mean to them if they have attained non attachment?), check Thai history for yourself concerning Monks and behavior.

This is not sheer madness it;s called a shakedown and a well thought out one at that.

Also I think this very respected monk has acted with good intentions and remained wise and calm(over 3 months),

When you compare it to Thaksin's pet monk back in 2003 and 2004 who said and i quote It's ok to kill people if they sell drugs' The trouble was as we all know many countless innocent people were shot and the others it was more of a take out the competition game.

Who promised to get rid of drugs in 6 months? and you still believe a fool like this

Do you remember that London Thai? Surely you would wish to condemn Thaksin's monk behavior as it's a million times worse. This monk gave the spiritual blessing to murder 3000 plus people, why don't you have a look at Thai drug war on the amnesty website, they have all the facts listed there about the drug war and other facts you may find interesting if you really care

Edited February 21, 2014 by asiamint

[Thai at Heart]

Is there anything right about this story at all?

[Davidhere]

@GentlemanJim //I think I have given enough explanation on what I believe 'bad' is in context to Wiriporns post, it's pretty clear and concise.

Oooh did I say 'disorderly communist boozehounds', I like that but can't lay claim to it I'm afraid. What do you want me to do in 'pointing them out' ? supply names, telephone numbers and addresses at a public rally? I have little time to do requests ;)//

- Well I added since you forgot some. Seriously, some people here must have minority complex similar to some taxi drivers here if they need to go on a name calling rampage against people who happen to disagree with them. And the former poster is right, you are not on topic, you are dwindling off the path.

Now for a serious question, should the monk keep his robe and if yes, please give your opinion to why.

For a serious answer, personally, I do not consider he is suited to monastic life as I understand it, but what he does is his affair. I wholeheartedly disagree that his actions so far represent 'everything that is bad about Thailand embodied in one person', that is drama Queen claptrap. Many monks in Tibet and Myanmar have taken to being prolific campaigners for the rights of the oppressed, and some have even taken to arms. If we apply our interpretation of a 2000 year old code of conduct to modern day monks then the temples would be much less populated than they currently are. Smokers, drinkers, fornicators, materialistic laptop, mobile owning clergy. The fact is that as Buddhism is a personal journey of enlightenment then it has very little to do with anybody else. The action of every true monk is not to help other people, it is governed by doing what they believe is necessary to reach enlightenment. We are still demanding monks follow a 2000 year old code that says they 'cannot carry raw wool for more than 48 km', yet it doesn't say a monk should not have a smart phone. Perhaps if reincarnation is a given and will continue ad infinitum we need an update of the rules and regs rather than using those from 100 lifetimes ago.

I am just amazed there are not more monks involved. Everyone seems to be forgetting the large number of monks in the North that were involved in supporting the red protests in 2010, an inconvenient truth when you are on a rant don't you think.

This is after all nothing new and there is much more to get riled about when leaping on the outrage bus.

Move on there's nothing new here.

Excellent post.

Apart from monks taking a very political stance in Myanmar, India & with the red shirts in 2010, there is even a political party of monks in Sri Lanka. Very pro-Buddhist and anti-Hindu.

They supported the government's appalling elimination of the Tamil Tigers together with hundreds of Tamil (i.e.Hindu) citizens.

I applaud the monk here in getting a modest Shin contribution to the PDRC cause.

BTW wasn't this the five star hotel that the red shirt leaders were ensconced in with Arisman pretending to abseil while the others walked out the front door?

Indeed, the SC (Shin Corp) Park Hotel is the same hotel where the svelte and fit Red Shirt Arisaman made his infamous Tom Cruise-like escape from.

[simon43]

I just checked this hotel on Tripadvisor.

Read the latest customer review.....

http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g293916-d653010-Reviews-SC_Park_Hotel-Bangkok.html

[Red Snake]

There are plenty of temples in the area, why didn't the monk try to check into one of them.

[Davidhere]

I just checked this hotel on Tripadvisor.

Read the latest customer review.....

http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g293916-d653010-Reviews-SC_Park_Hotel-Bangkok.html

funny stuff... liked the bit about the higher floors with better AIS coverage

[Docno]

Wherever you received your theological education, you should receive a refund from as there is no such prohibition.

Yeah right! Thai monks should follow the Theravadin Vinaya - have a look at the Nissaggiyas 18 and 19.

Well, I had a look and basically they are a set of very very old rules are they not, and number 18 simply says they are not to say the money is theirs. What is your point? To put the value of the rules in to perspective, number 16 is... the monk must not "Carrying raw wool for more than 48 km."

And at the end of the day, all 30 rules are simply made such that if they are broken then the monk must confess it to another monk, once that is done then all is well. Clearly a set of rules that were nothing to do with Buddha, but the power hungry who came afterwards, trying to use religion to establish their own power base....seems to happen a lot in religion.

Thank you GJ for that clarification. I've found that most people on this forum know squat about monks rules.. Or Buddhism for that matter..

The age of the rules does not change the fact that they are still operative. Jews, Christians, and Muslims all continue to follow certain rules that are, in some cases, as old as the Vinayas (e.g., the Jewish prohibition against the consumption shellfish because they live under water but do not have scales). As society advances, it becomes a matter of interpreting how these rules apply. Rather than listen to 'GJ' because he says what you want to hear, read: http://en.dhammadana.org/sangha/vinaya/227/30np2.htm#ch----18 It talks about how this rule applies to cash and credit cards but not phone cards, etc. Also see this entry on the function of a kappiya, a lay attendant who is supposed to assists a monk in practical matters such as the handling of money: http://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/kappiya/index.html

[agent69]

If everyone is wandering where this 120,000 baht has gone to, https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152234425058446&set=a.258992393445.143292.257455723445&type=1&theater#

15,000 baht had been spent on food and transportation. 105,000 baht is deposit into BAAC under the depositor of SC Park Hotel.