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[MrHammer]

I'd like to challenge anyone who says they have a hard time losing weight to my just invented program:

1) Low calories - maximum 2000 calories pr. dat

2) Intermittent Fasting - you eat only after 18pm except a bag of nuts and greens (not fruit)

3) Low carb - no rice, no pasta, no bread or only in low amounts

4) Optional: 30-45 minutes incline walking a day, try upping both speed and incline

You can have one cheat day a week, where you eat what you desire.

Try this for two weeks and see if the kilos haven't come off - rapidly.

[Briggsy]

Please clarify point 2.

Do you mean

1) you cannot eat after 6pm

or

2) you can only eat after 6pm.

[MrHammer]

Please clarify point 2.

Do you mean

1) you cannot eat after 6pm

or

2) you can only eat after 6pm.

Yes 2), you can only eat AFTER 6pm and not after midnight.

[Briggsy]

This means that when you wake up in the morning, you will have to wait till 6pm until you can eat breakfast.

I am not overweight, but that is an extreme diet plan. You can call it the Perpetual Ramadan plan.

[Jip99]

This means that when you wake up in the morning, you will have to wait till 6pm until you can eat breakfast.

I am not overweight, but that is an extreme diet plan. You can call it the Perpetual Ramadan plan.

I guess that is why he refers to "intermittent fasting"

Much like the 5/2 diet

[MrHammer]

Yes, it does mean that you won't have breakfast and lunch as you know it. Yes, it may seem extreme to the modern lifestyle, however, biologically speaking it is not extreme. It is probably how hunter gatherers lived for thousands of years. Grab some nuts, some roots, some vegetables and go hunt, then feast in the evening.

I've done this myself on several occasions and it is not at all as uncomfortable as it seems, you quickly adjust and the hunger is barely noticeable after a few days.

I'm not saying do this forever, but it is easily workable for 2-3 weeks for example at which point you can begin introducing two eggs and a slice of salmon at lunch for example.

The point is to not stuff yourself with carbs in the morning, thus likely forcing the body to burn fat during the day. Internmittent fasting is quite well researched.

[Briggsy]

That is not really 'intermittent fasting' but rather 'perpetual fasting.

My point being that it is extreme and highly inconvenient. But he is right, it certainly would result in weight loss.

[MrHammer]

The main point is, that for some people, this is an easy rule to remember and will nessecarily cut calories simply because you can't eat more than about 2000 in one sitting unless you gorgo on junk food and candy.

I'm not saying it is for everyone, but it works well if you're the kind of person who dislikes smaller portions and constant calorie counting. In this way, you simply feast once a day and then fall asleep feeling satiated.

As I say, it really isn't that unpleasent not to eat during the day. I fully believe that eating carbs makes you more hungry during the day.

[MrHammer]

It would be very interesting is someone where willing to try it for 2 weeks and report back.

Just to clarify, you can eat carbs, but keep it to a minimum.

[Oishii]

I'd like to challenge anyone who says they have a hard time losing weight to my just invented program:

1) Low calories - maximum 2000 calories pr. dat

2) Intermittent Fasting - you eat only after 18pm except a bag of nuts and greens (not fruit)

3) Low carb - no rice, no pasta, no bread or only in low amounts

4) Optional: 30-45 minutes incline walking a day, try upping both speed and incline

You can have one cheat day a week, where you eat what you desire.

Try this for two weeks and see if the kilos haven't come off - rapidly.

Sounds great. I'm overweight, but I'm also diabetic and take insulin. If I don't eat regular meals my blood sugar level goes down, which can cause me to go into a coma.

Sometimes my body will think I am fasting and start to produce its own sugar. This will send my blood sugars high, which damages nerve endings and other organs.

If I try your diet, it will help me to lose weight, but I would be extremely sick, (or dead) while doing it.

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[Jip99]

It would be very interesting is someone where willing to try it for 2 weeks and report back.

Just to clarify, you can eat carbs, but keep it to a minimum.

What results did you get Mr H ?

I am certainly willing to give it a try.

[AyG]

Seems ill-conceived to me.

The body is going to be breaking down muscle, rather than burning fat.

Starve yourself all day and binge on 2000 calories between 6 p.m. and midnight is going to mean a massive spike in blood sugar resulting in fat being deposited, rather than burned - particularly because you're then going to go to sleep and be inactive.

[h90]

This means that when you wake up in the morning, you will have to wait till 6pm until you can eat breakfast.

I am not overweight, but that is an extreme diet plan. You can call it the Perpetual Ramadan plan.

on the other hand the 2000 calories are pretty high.....I would call it the Vampire plan.

If you go sleeping at 2-3 AM and wake up late the 6 PM are OK.

If you are someone who goes sleeping early and wakes up early you don't have much time to eat the 2K calories.

Lets say you wake up at 10 AM...than some coffee etc.

At 1 PM you start with a bottle black label

and at 6 PM you eat something and continue....

[MrHammer]

It would be very interesting is someone where willing to try it for 2 weeks and report back.

Just to clarify, you can eat carbs, but keep it to a minimum.

What results did you get Mr H ?

I am certainly willing to give it a try.

I lost 5-6 kilo in a month, but I did excercise almost daily.

[MrHammer]

1) Losing muscle

No, you won't. Some yes, as with all diets, but you eat plenty of protein to prevent that. Low carb means the body is burning your body fat for fuel.

2) Yes, this diet works best if you sleep late

[Sheryl]

2000 calories a day, if actually consumed (and it could be if the person is a night owl) would = definitely not lose weight for women over 30, as it is not low calorie for them. For that matter it is nto low for a sedentary man over 50, either.

Better to adjust the calories according to age and gender, aiming for 500 calories less than the minimal requirement as shown below:

Gender Age (years) Sedentary^b Moderately Active^c Active^d Child 2-3 1,000 1,000-1,400 1,000-1,400 Female 4-8
9-13
14-18
19-30
31-50
51+ 1,200
1,600
1,800
2,000
1,800
1,600 1,400-1,600
1,600-2,000
2,000
2,000-2,200
2,000
1,800 1,400-1,800
1,800-2,200
2,400
2,400
2,200
2,000-2,200 Male 4-8
9-13
14-18
19-30
31-50
51+ 1,400
1,800
2,200
2,400
2,200
2,000 1,400-1,600
1,800-2,200
2,400-2,800
2,600-2,800
2,400-2,600
2,200-2,400 1,600-2,000
2,000-2,600
2,800-3,200
3,000
2,800-3,000
2,400-2,800

^b Sedentary means a lifestyle that includes only the light physical activity associated with typical day-to-day life.

^c Moderately active means a lifestyle that includes physical activity equivalent to walking about 1.5 to 3 miles per day at 3 to 4 miles per hour, in addition to the light physical activity associated with typical day-to-day life

^d Active means a lifestyle that includes physical activity equivalent to walking more than 3 miles per day at 3 to 4 miles per hour, in addition to the light physical activity associated with typical day-to-day life.

And with that, I don't think it much matters what time you eat it at (eating most of the night is no better than eating most of the day) though it is best to have at least 12 hours between last meal of the day and first meal of the next.

[MrHammer]

I actually did this on 1500 cals a day, but most think that is too extreme.

[h90]

The main point is, that for some people, this is an easy rule to remember and will nessecarily cut calories simply because you can't eat more than about 2000 in one sitting unless you gorgo on junk food and candy.

I'm not saying it is for everyone, but it works well if you're the kind of person who dislikes smaller portions and constant calorie counting. In this way, you simply feast once a day and then fall asleep feeling satiated.

As I say, it really isn't that unpleasent not to eat during the day. I fully believe that eating carbs makes you more hungry during the day.

between 6 PM and midnight there are 6 hours, enough time to eat 3 times.

[h90]

I actually did this on 1500 cals a day, but most think that is too extreme.

1500 isn't extreme....500 per day is extreme, about 1000 we could discuss if it is extreme....2000 might be enough for some women...

[h90]

2000 calories a day, if actually consumed (and it could be if the person is a night owl) would = definitely not lose weight for women over 30, as it is not low calorie for them. For that matter it is nto low for a sedentary man over 50, either.

Better to adjust the calories according to age and gender, aiming for 500 calories less than the minimal requirement as shown below:

Gender Age (years) Sedentary^b Moderately Active^c Active^d Child 2-3 1,000 1,000-1,400 1,000-1,400 Female 4-8

9-13

14-18

19-30

31-50

51+ 1,200

1,600

1,800

2,000

1,800

1,600 1,400-1,600

1,600-2,000

2,000

2,000-2,200

2,000

1,800 1,400-1,800

1,800-2,200

2,400

2,400

2,200

2,000-2,200 Male 4-8

9-13

14-18

19-30

31-50

51+ 1,400

1,800

2,200

2,400

2,200

2,000 1,400-1,600

1,800-2,200

2,400-2,800

2,600-2,800

2,400-2,600

2,200-2,400 1,600-2,000

2,000-2,600

2,800-3,200

3,000

2,800-3,000

2,400-2,800

^b Sedentary means a lifestyle that includes only the light physical activity associated with typical day-to-day life.

^c Moderately active means a lifestyle that includes physical activity equivalent to walking about 1.5 to 3 miles per day at 3 to 4 miles per hour, in addition to the light physical activity associated with typical day-to-day life

^d Active means a lifestyle that includes physical activity equivalent to walking more than 3 miles per day at 3 to 4 miles per hour, in addition to the light physical activity associated with typical day-to-day life.

And with that, I don't think it much matters what time you eat it at (eating most of the night is no better than eating most of the day) though it is best to have at least 12 hours between last meal of the day and first meal of the next.

I don't understand the list :-(

Friend of mine claimed that 1500 cal are enough for her:

female, very slim and light built (like a child, but European not Asian). Maybe 1.5-1.55 meter tall (short). Hates every unnecessary movement. Always a bit on diet so sure the body is used to save power. Approx. 50-60 years old.

I tend to believe it.....(but on the other hand she drinks a lot of wine and she might not count the wine.....)

[h90]

Seems ill-conceived to me.

The body is going to be breaking down muscle, rather than burning fat.

Starve yourself all day and binge on 2000 calories between 6 p.m. and midnight is going to mean a massive spike in blood sugar resulting in fat being deposited, rather than burned - particularly because you're then going to go to sleep and be inactive.

he told low carb so no spike in the blood sugar. Maybe it counts on that, that you can't eat much of protein and fat after don't eat all the day......so the 2000 calories aren't reached.

[MrHammer]

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I actually did this on 1500 cals a day, but most think that is too extreme.

1500 isn't extreme....500 per day is extreme, about 1000 we could discuss if it is extreme....2000 might be enough for some women...

1500 is the lowest recommended for a male, but I have done quite a bit of cardio, which is why some people think it is not enough.

Seems ill-conceived to me.

The body is going to be breaking down muscle, rather than burning fat.

Starve yourself all day and binge on 2000 calories between 6 p.m. and midnight is going to mean a massive spike in blood sugar resulting in fat being deposited, rather than burned - particularly because you're then going to go to sleep and be inactive.

he told low carb so no spike in the blood sugar. Maybe it counts on that, that you can't eat much of protein and fat after don't eat all the day......so the 2000 calories aren't reached.

Yes, that is exactly the idea. Low carb means no blood sugar spike and that along with the fasting period probably means you enter ketogenic state.

[Sheryl]

2000 calories a day, if actually consumed (and it could be if the person is a night owl) would = definitely not lose weight for women over 30, as it is not low calorie for them. For that matter it is nto low for a sedentary man over 50, either.

Better to adjust the calories according to age and gender, aiming for 500 calories less than the minimal requirement as shown below:

Gender Age (years) Sedentary^b Moderately Active^c Active^d Child 2-3 1,000 1,000-1,400 1,000-1,400 Female 4-8

9-13

14-18

19-30

31-50

51+ 1,200

1,600

1,800

2,000

1,800

1,600 1,400-1,600

1,600-2,000

2,000

2,000-2,200

2,000

1,800 1,400-1,800

1,800-2,200

2,400

2,400

2,200

2,000-2,200 Male 4-8

9-13

14-18

19-30

31-50

51+ 1,400

1,800

2,200

2,400

2,200

2,000 1,400-1,600

1,800-2,200

2,400-2,800

2,600-2,800

2,400-2,600

2,200-2,400 1,600-2,000

2,000-2,600

2,800-3,200

3,000

2,800-3,000

2,400-2,800

^b Sedentary means a lifestyle that includes only the light physical activity associated with typical day-to-day life.

^c Moderately active means a lifestyle that includes physical activity equivalent to walking about 1.5 to 3 miles per day at 3 to 4 miles per hour, in addition to the light physical activity associated with typical day-to-day life

^d Active means a lifestyle that includes physical activity equivalent to walking more than 3 miles per day at 3 to 4 miles per hour, in addition to the light physical activity associated with typical day-to-day life.

And with that, I don't think it much matters what time you eat it at (eating most of the night is no better than eating most of the day) though it is best to have at least 12 hours between last meal of the day and first meal of the next.

I don't understand the list :-(

Friend of mine claimed that 1500 cal are enough for her:

female, very slim and light built (like a child, but European not Asian). Maybe 1.5-1.55 meter tall (short). Hates every unnecessary movement. Always a bit on diet so sure the body is used to save power. Approx. 50-60 years old.

I tend to believe it.....(but on the other hand she drinks a lot of wine and she might not count the wine.....)

Sorry, it didn't paste properly. See it here http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/estimated-calorie-requirement

For a 50-60 year old woman who is sedentary the basic requirement is 1,600 calories and that's based on western women of average height etc. So indeed when she says 1500, that may be the case. I know that I don't lose weight unless I am below 1500 calories a day or else getting an unusual amount of exercise daily. A 2,000 cal diet would lead to weight gain for most women, and even for older men if they are sedentary and not unusually tall or large boned.

(As an aside, this is one reason why women tend to gain weight after marriage or moving in with a man...couples tend to eat together and in similar quantities, unconsciously adapting the man's portions and frequency of eating will make any woman put on excess weight).

[h90]

2000 calories a day, if actually consumed (and it could be if the person is a night owl) would = definitely not lose weight for women over 30, as it is not low calorie for them. For that matter it is nto low for a sedentary man over 50, either.

Better to adjust the calories according to age and gender, aiming for 500 calories less than the minimal requirement as shown below:

Gender Age (years) Sedentary^b Moderately Active^c Active^d Child 2-3 1,000 1,000-1,400 1,000-1,400 Female 4-8

9-13

14-18

19-30

31-50

51+ 1,200

1,600

1,800

2,000

1,800

1,600 1,400-1,600

1,600-2,000

2,000

2,000-2,200

2,000

1,800 1,400-1,800

1,800-2,200

2,400

2,400

2,200

2,000-2,200 Male 4-8

9-13

14-18

19-30

31-50

51+ 1,400

1,800

2,200

2,400

2,200

2,000 1,400-1,600

1,800-2,200

2,400-2,800

2,600-2,800

2,400-2,600

2,200-2,400 1,600-2,000

2,000-2,600

2,800-3,200

3,000

2,800-3,000

2,400-2,800

^b Sedentary means a lifestyle that includes only the light physical activity associated with typical day-to-day life.

^c Moderately active means a lifestyle that includes physical activity equivalent to walking about 1.5 to 3 miles per day at 3 to 4 miles per hour, in addition to the light physical activity associated with typical day-to-day life

^d Active means a lifestyle that includes physical activity equivalent to walking more than 3 miles per day at 3 to 4 miles per hour, in addition to the light physical activity associated with typical day-to-day life.

And with that, I don't think it much matters what time you eat it at (eating most of the night is no better than eating most of the day) though it is best to have at least 12 hours between last meal of the day and first meal of the next.

I don't understand the list :-(

Friend of mine claimed that 1500 cal are enough for her:

female, very slim and light built (like a child, but European not Asian). Maybe 1.5-1.55 meter tall (short). Hates every unnecessary movement. Always a bit on diet so sure the body is used to save power. Approx. 50-60 years old.

I tend to believe it.....(but on the other hand she drinks a lot of wine and she might not count the wine.....)

Sorry, it didn't paste properly. See it here http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/estimated-calorie-requirement

For a 50-60 year old woman who is sedentary the basic requirement is 1,600 calories and that's based on western women of average height etc. So indeed when she says 1500, that may be the case. I know that I don't lose weight unless I am below 1500 calories a day or else getting an unusual amount of exercise daily. A 2,000 cal diet would lead to weight gain for most women, and even for older men if they are sedentary and not unusually tall or large boned.

(As an aside, this is one reason why women tend to gain weight after marriage or moving in with a man...couples tend to eat together and in similar quantities, unconsciously adapting the man's portions and frequency of eating will make any woman put on excess weight).

Interesting! Seems she is right....Thx for the link

[brit1984]

i don't think having a big feast before bed time is an effective way to lose weight

i think better to eat earlier in the day and not to eat too much in any one meal

obviously exercise is very important (especially a brisk walk after each meal)

i agree not too many carbs but you need some if you don't want to turn to jelly

[flyingdoc]

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[Sayonarax]

You're not doing yourself any wonders holding out on eating.

"When you eat less food, your metabolism slows down to conserve energy. Then, when you go back to your usual diet, your lowered metabolism may cause you to store more energy" - WebMD

If you've got to a point of being one of them fat bellied beer gut types, this aint the way to go about fixing it.

You need to improve your daily diet, take protein shakes and do 30mins of exercise every 2nd day.

[RamblingSam]

I don't think this can be called the 'Ramadan' diet, because I'm guessing booze, as in beer, and all soft drinks, so dieter only drinks water, should be included amongst the things you do NOT consume, but I'm betting no-one wants/intends giving up the former, under ANY circumstances, and still have the option of drinking the latter!

[ozyjon]

I'm fat

come and get me

[bonobo]

Why the nuts? The do have omega 3 fatty acids, protein, and fiber, but they tend to the caloric side. A handful can go as high as 500 calories alone.

My opinion on the whole thing? 2,000 calories is too many to lose much weight for a man, much less a woman, unless that is accompanied by quite a bit of exercise. Also, the fasting flies in the face of most nutritional studies that suggest spreading the calories out over the day is the best way to lose fat.

Another thing is that while a heavy protein, low carb diet can result in weight loss, it also tends to result in heart disease. I don't want to be in my casket due to having a heart attack even if mourners will comment about how slim I look lying there.

On the heart aspect, people who eat irregularly or only once a day have a much higher incidence of heart disease than those who eat multiple meals a day and at regular times. I am not sure the reason for that, but those are the results of the studies.

I exercise quite a bit, and I have kept my weight steady for quite a few years. Based on some studies by the University of Melbourne, I try to exercise before eating. I work to keep up muscle mass as that burns more calories, and I do cardio to keep my heart healthy. As far as my diet, I keep away from processed foods as much as possible and try to eat from all the food groups.