CMPO seeks understanding over inability to control rallies

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CMPO seeks understanding over inability to control rallies
Kesinee Taengkhiao,
Anapat Deechuay
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- The government's Centre for Maintaining Peace and Order (CMPO) called for understanding from the public yesterday about its inability to enforce the law and control anti-government rallies following Civil Court's ruling on Wednesday.

CMPO member Tarit Pengdith, who also heads the Department of Special Investigation, said: "I expect more protests next week as there are many people agreeing and dis?agreeing with the PDRC [People's Democratic Reform Committee] and now there is no law to control. That's why they [will] come.

"My concern is their self-management and no government agency to enforce the law. The only thing the CMPO can do right now is to pray. We beg good legal experts to guide us, not for the CMPO, but for the country."

He said CMPO chief Chalerm Yoobamrung would file criminal suit against PDRC secretary-general Suthep Thaugsuban and his group for allegedly using guns and other arms to attack and kill police during a clash on Tuesday.

The protest leaders also said on Thursday they would file criminal suit against caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra and CMPO leaders for murder over the same clash, in which five people were killed, including a police officer.

National Security Council secretary-general Lt General Paradorn Pattanatabut, another CMPO mem?ber, said the agency was looking into three alternatives to enforce the law while appealing the Civil Court ruling, which restricts the CMPO's options.

The alternatives include the use of existing laws, invoking special laws such as the Internal Security Act and cancellation of the Emergency Decree and invoking a new one which would be free from the Civil Court's nine restrictions.

Chalerm said he had signed an appeal to the Civil Court and also asked the court to withhold its ruling.

A group of red shirts rallied outside the Civil Court yesterday and laid a wreath in a protest at the court's ruling on Wednesday.

Meanwhile, lawyers for PDRC leaders have petitioned the Criminal Court, asking it to revoke arrest warrants for 18 PDRC core leaders and 13 key members and citing the Civil Court's ruling on Wednesday that said the PDRC had been rallying peacefully

Criminal Court scheduled Thursday (February 27) to decide whether to revoke the warrants for Suthep Thaugsuban and 17 other core leaders of the PDRC.

It also scheduled Monday to decide whether to revoke warrants for 13 key leaders including monk Buddha Issara.

PDRC spokesman Akanat Promphan said the movement would give Bt1 million to the family of protesters killed on Tuesday, and a further Bt2 million given if victims have children.


-- The Nation 2014-02-22

[Red Snake]

The court ruling has left Bangkok in a state of lawlessness. The court must define it ruling on how far the protesters can go. When you think about them blocking people rights to vote at some polling stations and blocking roads and bridges and saying this is there peaceful right. Well what about the right of those who live and work in the city. The civil court has taken away their civil rights.

[TheClog]

"PDRC had been rallying peacefully"

Unbelievable !!!

Edited February 22, 2014 by TheClog

[Robby nz]

So Tarit says there is no law without a SOE, what a load of <deleted>.

I see the reds are attacking the court again, great stuff.

Red democracy.

[CWMcMurray]

The courts ruling did not seem to disallow the police from doing anything they would normally be able to do with the exception of breaking up the protests...

Emergency decree says gathering in groups is illegal...

So court finding seems to just speak on this point.

So police have all powers they normally have but just can't arrest people for protesting peacefully

Though understand that does prevent them from arresting any that are violent or break any laws

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[stickyrice2000]

The court system in Thailand should uphold the laws and not bend to any direction. The legal system is one of the problems in this country. They are manipulatable and not stand firm with the laws. Arrest any wrongdoers that violate the laws.

Edited February 22, 2014 by stickyrice2000

[thesetat2013]

Its a funny thing this guy Chalerm has been handed the axe over his controlling the police against the protesters. He did such a good job in taking those sites without violence and ensured his troops went armed with only rubber bullets. The men in black that witnesses are reportimg amongst his troops must be that mysterious 3rd party he talks about. I can't imagine he would understand why the courts did this.

Perhaps they didn't want anymore protester and police killings? The ultimate blame for this has to go on Chalerms shoulders since it had already been ruled by the constitutional courts that the protests where protected as the peoples right in the constitution. Ultimately, when all this turmoil is finished and a new gov is running the show Chalerm may find murder charges against him for his minions using live fire into crowds of civilians.

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[thesetat2013]

The court ruling has left Bangkok in a state of lawlessness. The court must define it ruling on how far the protesters can go. When you think about them blocking people rights to vote at some polling stations and blocking roads and bridges and saying this is there peaceful right. Well what about the right of those who live and work in the city. The civil court has taken away their civil rights.

You are not very smart to think bangkok is in a state if lawlessness. The CMPO was never about upholding law. It was about showing power against the protester.

You show me one thing substantial that the CMPO has done or one law they have upheld towards crime except for making a show of their strength in numbers and armory. I will replay to you many times they violated human rights, constitutional rights and laws, and near criminal laws simply to show that YL and Chalerm have power and control still.

What a farce.

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[slapout]

The court ruling has left Bangkok in a state of lawlessness. The court must define it ruling on how far the protesters can go. When you think about them blocking people rights to vote at some polling stations and blocking roads and bridges and saying this is there peaceful right. Well what about the right of those who live and work in the city. The civil court has taken away their civil rights.

Bangkok and the Thai nation have been experiencing a state of lawlessness (disregard for law) for quite some time. It is just becoming more apparent as the Thai media, people, and the rest of the world have become more informed as well as seeing the results, of how it has been carried out.

The Shin cartel which brought about your court ruling reference has and continues to ignore and ride rough shod over the Nations law, the judicial system, national budget and transparency of same, by appointing cronies into positions of power to corrupt a system, way above what it can support. As many have pointed out, Thailand is much bigger than Bangkok and under its present government system, much bigger/more complex than the Shin family/cronies are capable of handling in a civilized, lawful manner.

[almafudd]

I thought the PM / YL was constantly stating that no force would be used with the protesters. That seems to have fallen off the wayside...

PTP / CMPO actions have spoken louder than their words!

[Suriya4]

The court ruling has left Bangkok in a state of lawlessness. The court must define it ruling on how far the protesters can go. When you think about them blocking people rights to vote at some polling stations and blocking roads and bridges and saying this is there peaceful right. Well what about the right of those who live and work in the city. The civil court has taken away their civil rights.

As long as those blocking people rights to vote at some polling stations and blocking roads and bridges do not carry weapon, it is OK.

​Or would you rather gun down these peaceful people?

[Red Snake]

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The court ruling has left Bangkok in a state of lawlessness. The court must define it ruling on how far the protesters can go. When you think about them blocking people rights to vote at some polling stations and blocking roads and bridges and saying this is there peaceful right. Well what about the right of those who live and work in the city. The civil court has taken away their civil rights.

As long as those blocking people rights to vote at some polling stations and blocking roads and bridges do not carry weapon, it is OK.

​Or would you rather gun down these peaceful people?

You must be one of the judges of the civil court who make the ruling.

[telecom]

The killings of the protesters by the police was totally murder, no matter which way you cut the cake to fit your agenda. The court has ruled the crackdown illegal, and that is the end of it.

Protesters giving accounts of being shot multiple times directly from the police for erecting a fence and tyres to rebuild barriers after police smashed them down. It is not exactly an act of violence building a fence is it?

Chalerm and Yingluck ordered this crackdown that killed people, they are 100% responsible for everything that occurs during the execution of THEIR orders.

If the red Thaksin loving camp want to say I am wrong, while at the same time insisting Abhisit and Suthep are guilty, then they are undermining their own argument...... period. Also red shirt violence did not consist of fence building, it was pure terrorist activity.

Regarding red shirts being kept at bay because of the SEO or the ISO, that is bullshit. What has kept them at bay is the fact that they know they will get their &lt;deleted&gt; firmly booted back out, basically they are too cowardly to do anything other than sneak attacks from a very safe distance in the dead of night and jumping on a motorcycle and getting the hell out of danger.

This statement of Tarit's is actually a public declaration to red shirts to come and fight on the streets of BKK...... they will not come.

[Stan7444]

How is it a "peaceful" protest when demonstrators are "forcefully" entering gov't buildings and then occupying them illegally? How is it peaceful stopping or impeding the legal flow of traffic and imparing the "rights" of others not interested in protesting? How is it peaceful to prevent people from exercising their right to vote by intimidation and outright forcefulness? How is it peaceful beating up policemen?

Who knows the party(ies) which are firing off M79s, trhowing granades and firing shots. They should all be brought to justice, but until they are discovered, all of these posts about this party or that party is doing it is just speculation based upon no factural information at all. Sounds more like a linching mob reaction than the rule of law and justice for those who are yet to be found guilty of such offences. If one is from a demoncratic Western country, what happened to innocent until proven guilty? Does this all go out the door when one moves to Thailand?

[rickirs]

One has to appreciate the Land of Irony (LOI) that accompanies the LOS. The courts that backed the Democrat self-created State of Emergency powers to assure the peaceful nature of protest rallies through police use of force now finds such force to be illegal and strips the police from any law enforcement actions except maybe to write traffic tickets to anti-government protesters. If not successfully challenged or more reasonable application of police force is allowed,Thailand will be the first democracy to die from suicide by the courts.

If the court does not provide for circumstances for the use of appropriare and measured force by the police, does not allow the government to use the authority granted under the SOE, or successfully held to be a constitutional ruling, then one would hope that Democrats will act equally submissive when the red shirts/PTP supporters behave in similar "peaceful" actions shown by the Suthep anti-government protesters in their violations of a SOE against a Suthep-formed government. But that would require the Democrats to break with tradition in their use of excessive force.

[icommunity]

With law enforcement agencies not allowed to maintain law and order and enforcing the rules of law, I am afraid that they will be more broad daylight rapt cases, molesting, murders, revenge, looting, robbing, etc.

[seajae]

With law enforcement agencies not allowed to maintain law and order and enforcing the rules of law, I am afraid that they will be more broad daylight rapt cases, molesting, murders, revenge, looting, robbing, etc.

yes you are right, they need to stop the police from doing all that now, all those broad daylight rapt(?) cases etc. You arent really in Thailand are you because if you were you would know the truth and wouldnt keep making up all these posts.......

Edited February 22, 2014 by seajae

[Scamper]

" The only thing the CMPO can do right now is to pray. We beg good legal experts to guide us, not for the CMPO, but for the country. "

​Tarit is really laying it on thick. Thaksin must be in an effusive mood. Let's hope that's all the CMPO will be doing, but we know of course that Chalerm will have other plans. In terms of the " good legal experts ", that's a great idea because the ones they have are clearly horrific. This plan to ditch the emergency decree and issue a new one that would retroactively nullify the Civil Court's ruling is jaw-dropping, as well as a profoundly frightening manipulation and contempt for the courts. But the imposition of the Internal Security Act is the most hilarious suggestion to date. Why ? Because it's been in effect since August and has never been revoked. Nobody noticed it was in place, and nobody notices that it's still in place. Including apparently Tarit.

Edited February 22, 2014 by Scamper

[airconsult]

The court ruling has left Bangkok in a state of lawlessness. The court must define it ruling on how far the protesters can go. When you think about them blocking people rights to vote at some polling stations and blocking roads and bridges and saying this is there peaceful right. Well what about the right of those who live and work in the city. The civil court has taken away their civil rights.

As long as those blocking people rights to vote at some polling stations and blocking roads and bridges do not carry weapon, it is OK.

​Or would you rather gun down these peaceful people?

You are incorrect. Protests are legal as long as they do not block roads or buildings - blocking voting is always a criminal offence.

The civil court ruled that protesting is legal within the limits of the criminal code.

Eg. You want to protest in the park - legal.

You want to block access to government house - illegal.

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[asiamint]

"PDRC had been rallying peacefully"

Unbelievable !!!

In the main yes, they have been peaceful.

Do you know anything about history and violence concerning protests worldwide, Compare them to other movements and yes they have been very peaceful in comparison. The Thai people in general are very respectful protesters compared to other nationality's.

Showing your ignorance and bias

[hgma]

They-both scream that 'the law must be enforced'

But what law?

Constitution?

decisions 'not to be honored'

Civil court?

Appeal

Chalerms law?

Yingluck?

Jutaporn?

Suthep's?

Maybe it is really time to reform, but will the black clan allow that to happen.

Up to them!!!!!!

[maxme]

"PDRC had been rallying peacefully"

Unbelievable !!!

In the main yes, they have been peaceful.

Do you know anything about history and violence concerning protests worldwide, Compare them to other movements and yes they have been very peaceful in comparison. The Thai people in general are very respectful protesters compared to other nationality's.

Showing your ignorance and bias

Other protesters such as?

[Gweiloman]

The killings of the protesters by the police was totally murder, no matter which way you cut the cake to fit your agenda. The court has ruled the crackdown illegal, and that is the end of it.

Protesters giving accounts of being shot multiple times directly from the police for erecting a fence and tyres to rebuild barriers after police smashed them down. It is not exactly an act of violence building a fence is it?

Chalerm and Yingluck ordered this crackdown that killed people, they are 100% responsible for everything that occurs during the execution of THEIR orders.

If the red Thaksin loving camp want to say I am wrong, while at the same time insisting Abhisit and Suthep are guilty, then they are undermining their own argument...... period. Also red shirt violence did not consist of fence building, it was pure terrorist activity.

Regarding red shirts being kept at bay because of the SEO or the ISO, that is bullshit. What has kept them at bay is the fact that they know they will get their &lt;deleted&gt; firmly booted back out, basically they are too cowardly to do anything other than sneak attacks from a very safe distance in the dead of night and jumping on a motorcycle and getting the hell out of danger.

This statement of Tarit's is actually a public declaration to red shirts to come and fight on the streets of BKK...... they will not come.

Protests may be legal but the actions of the protestors were illegal, no matter which way you cut the cake to fit your agenda.

Preventing people from voting, affecting many people's livelihoods, stopping residents free and unimpeded access to their homes etc etc. What would you do if I set up a protest directly in front of your house and station security guards to check each and every one of your family each time you want to leave or return?

[BlueNoseCodger]

The killings of the protesters by the police was totally murder, no matter which way you cut the cake to fit your agenda. The court has ruled the crackdown illegal, and that is the end of it.

Protesters giving accounts of being shot multiple times directly from the police for erecting a fence and tyres to rebuild barriers after police smashed them down. It is not exactly an act of violence building a fence is it?

Chalerm and Yingluck ordered this crackdown that killed people, they are 100% responsible for everything that occurs during the execution of THEIR orders.

If the red Thaksin loving camp want to say I am wrong, while at the same time insisting Abhisit and Suthep are guilty, then they are undermining their own argument...... period. Also red shirt violence did not consist of fence building, it was pure terrorist activity.

Regarding red shirts being kept at bay because of the SEO or the ISO, that is bullshit. What has kept them at bay is the fact that they know they will get their &lt;deleted&gt; firmly booted back out, basically they are too cowardly to do anything other than sneak attacks from a very safe distance in the dead of night and jumping on a motorcycle and getting the hell out of danger.

This statement of Tarit's is actually a public declaration to red shirts to come and fight on the streets of BKK...... they will not come.

telecom,

Can I ask if you're from the AnonymousArmy facebook group? Seh Oud and Captain ChurnChuPun's military group?

Because I'd like to ask them a question to understand their mindset better.

[Dogmatix]

We can only hope that Chalerm will end up being prosecuted for his illegal actions under the Emergency Decree and end up having to flee to Dubai where can lick the boss's ass till his nose is completely brown.

[Dap]

The court ruling has left Bangkok in a state of lawlessness. The court must define it ruling on how far the protesters can go. When you think about them blocking people rights to vote at some polling stations and blocking roads and bridges and saying this is there peaceful right. Well what about the right of those who live and work in the city. The civil court has taken away their civil rights.

"The court ruling has left Bangkok in a state of lawlessness."

A thousand pardons RS but when exactly was any Thai government (or anyone else in the Kingdom for that matter) standing by the "Rule of Law"? There has never been any "Rule of Law" in this country except when it suits anyone's particular needs or desires. The courts can state whatever they please, but until there is compliance with the "Rule of Law", it's all rather pointless, isn't it? The court this, the court that ... so what! Look around mate. They will all continue doing whatever they please, as is evident by the current going-on's. Nothing changes ... yet!

Edited February 22, 2014 by Dap

[Goat Roper]

The court ruling has left Bangkok in a state of lawlessness. The court must define it ruling on how far the protesters can go. When you think about them blocking people rights to vote at some polling stations and blocking roads and bridges and saying this is there peaceful right. Well what about the right of those who live and work in the city. The civil court has taken away their civil rights.

"The court ruling has left Bangkok in a state of lawlessness."

A thousand pardons RS but when exactly was any Thai government (or anyone else in the Kingdom for that matter) standing by the "Rule of Law"? There has never been any "Rule of Law" in this country except when it suits anyone's particular needs or desires. The courts can state whatever they please, but until there is compliance with the "Rule of Law", it's all rather pointless, isn't it? The court this, the court that ... so what! Look around mate. They will all continue doing whatever they please, as is evident by the current going-on's. Nothing changes ... yet!

Good post Dap and spot on IMHO.

[Dogmatix]

The killings of the protesters by the police was totally murder, no matter which way you cut the cake to fit your agenda. The court has ruled the crackdown illegal, and that is the end of it.

Protesters giving accounts of being shot multiple times directly from the police for erecting a fence and tyres to rebuild barriers after police smashed them down. It is not exactly an act of violence building a fence is it?

Chalerm and Yingluck ordered this crackdown that killed people, they are 100% responsible for everything that occurs during the execution of THEIR orders.

If the red Thaksin loving camp want to say I am wrong, while at the same time insisting Abhisit and Suthep are guilty, then they are undermining their own argument...... period. Also red shirt violence did not consist of fence building, it was pure terrorist activity.

Regarding red shirts being kept at bay because of the SEO or the ISO, that is bullshit. What has kept them at bay is the fact that they know they will get their &lt;deleted&gt; firmly booted back out, basically they are too cowardly to do anything other than sneak attacks from a very safe distance in the dead of night and jumping on a motorcycle and getting the hell out of danger.

This statement of Tarit's is actually a public declaration to red shirts to come and fight on the streets of BKK...... they will not come.

The police were obviously enraged by the grenade blast (which may have come from the protestors or may have been a friendly that bounced back). Then they just popped up and fired at any protestor target that presented. I think the same thing happened during the red shirt protests when soldiers came under fire. The men in black have the advantage of surprise and usually melt away as soon as they have fired the shots at security forces, just like the IRA gunmen used to do in Northern Ireland, leaving their unarmed colleagues to pay the price.

[rogerdee123]

We can only hope that Chalerm will end up being prosecuted for his illegal actions under the Emergency Decree and end up having to flee to Dubai where can lick the boss's ass till his nose is completely brown.

He can become a stud for Thaksin's camel ranch.

[bigbamboo]

So Tarit says there is no law without a SOE, what a load of &lt;deleted&gt;.

I see the reds are attacking the court again, great stuff.

Red democracy.

I thought it was the role of the police to enforce law and order. OK they might not be that good but there's not exactly a shortage of them and as their boss is in Thaksin's pocket what's the problem?

Edited February 22, 2014 by bigbamboo