Thai government supporters vow to 'deal with' Bangkok protesters

[zydeco]

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Never forget that many of these squirrely Maoist groups have been lying in wait for years, if not decades, to achieve their ambitions of social revolutionary transformation. They've turned Nepal into a nuthouse, they infest the jungles of the Philippines and India, and now they are resurfacing, here, in Thailand. The true heirs to Peru's Shining Path. Tida and her Maoist terror gang.

Do you check under your bed at night to see if there are commies hiding there?

Gkid, what a silly and childless thing to say. My guess is that you are barely out of your teen years.

I do try to keep my youthful effervescence glowing.

However, I suggest you read the original statement again. We are treated to the scare tactics of the 1950's all over again. I was considerably more polite and diplomatic than the comment deserved, particularly if one is aware of the origins of the communist issue in Thailand. The communists were the only group willing to resist a very brutal military dictatorship that squashed all opposition. More importantly, there were agreements made that ended the uprising that have since been respected. The Thai communists have kept their side of the agreement, as have successive Thai governments. If anything, the end of the dispute is an example of how Thais can settle their differences and reach a peaceful resolution of a violent disagreement. The collapse of the military dictatorship also helped matters. As such, using the McCarthy era red scare tactics of the 1950's is inappropriate and is contrary to peaceful resolution that was reached. It demonstrates a profound ignorance of Thailand's history and accomplishment of reaching a peaceful settlement.

Your cliched ("profound ignorance") soft-peddling of Tida's "Victory or Death" comment on the heels of last night's terror attack says everything about where you're coming from.

[Prbkk]

I'm not sure what anyone expected them do do. They have been peaceful and have stayed well away from confrontation. Does anyone really expect them to give in to the thugs and cronies would want power and privilege for themselves alone? Suthep has been given every opportunity to negotiate for a peaceful solution. He has rejected every overture and continues to demand water from the moon

This genie is not going back in the bottle: the rural and other people supporting democracy seem willing to fight for it. It is very sad if violence is an outcome of that struggle

[bkkjames]

I'm not sure what anyone expected them do do. They have been peaceful and have stayed well away from confrontation. Does anyone really expect them to give in to the thugs and cronies would want power and privilege for themselves alone? Suthep has been given every opportunity to negotiate for a peaceful solution. He has rejected every overture and continues to demand water from the moon

This genie is not going back in the bottle: the rural and other people supporting democracy seem willing to fight for it. It is very sad if violence is an outcome of that struggle

RT@waanspeaking RT @nikhon_: (A) red shirt leader said on stage in Korat he/she was gratified by attack at PDRC Trat stage. Tida had to stop him/her.

OK PR, spin that..

[bubblegum]

So if you're not a communist you're automatically a fascist according to the Reds on TV

Only in your mind. In Thailand, the Thai people foreigners label as communists would be considered conservative dullards elsewhere. Thai communists had their own interpretation of the ideology. The former communist leadership were mostly alcohol abstainers who viewed alcohol and drugs as serious social burdens. They also had what one could describe as conservative views on such things as prostitution and the sin strips of Patong and Pattaya. If it was up[ to them, Boyztown Pattaya, Bangla Rd. Patong etc. would be closed and the foreigners sent packing. The sex trade workers would be sent to schools or to other jobs. Prostitution was considered to be an exploitation of the poor. Thai communists would have been more at home in the bible belt where such things were forbidden and where the sanctity of the family and community social structure was respected.

I can see why many foreigners would not like these people. BTW, the Thai communists had a very severe approach to government corruption. It is why they aren't likely to be playing golf with some of the military generals or hanging out with Chalerm or Suthep. The Thai communists have never really supported Thaksin. They can't stand him and would like him disappear just as much as the yellow shirts.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree; what I see and hear from the (let's call them Reds) is a Maoism approach to politics.

[Soutpeel]

Suthep is to blame for everything. Put Suthep back in his box or a hole in the ground and the travesties, treason, insurrection would never have happened. Thugs come out from under their rotting logs for this and go quiet without leadership. Backroom coup plotters can only plot.

Should of been taken down long ago. Maybe now, ironically, the reds may bring the streets fo Bangkok back to order. Bring it on!

Strange....substitute the word "Suthep" for the word "Jew" and you could imagine Hilter saying your exact words...oh yeah wasnt he a fascist ?

and substiute the "reds" for "brownshirts" and we seem to be back to the same place

[Prbkk]

I'm not sure what anyone expected them do do. They have been peaceful and have stayed well away from confrontation. Does anyone really expect them to give in to the thugs and cronies would want power and privilege for themselves alone? Suthep has been given every opportunity to negotiate for a peaceful solution. He has rejected every overture and continues to demand water from the moon

This genie is not going back in the bottle: the rural and other people supporting democracy seem willing to fight for it. It is very sad if violence is an outcome of that struggle

RT@waanspeaking RT @nikhon_: (A) red shirt leader said on stage in Korat he/she was gratified by attack at PDRC Trat stage. Tida had to stop him/her.

OK PR, spin that..

Of course, it's a hateful thing to say. No one would defend it. Tida is a decent woman

[zydeco]

So if you're not a communist you're automatically a fascist according to the Reds on TV

Only in your mind. In Thailand, the Thai people foreigners label as communists would be considered conservative dullards elsewhere. Thai communists had their own interpretation of the ideology. The former communist leadership were mostly alcohol abstainers who viewed alcohol and drugs as serious social burdens. They also had what one could describe as conservative views on such things as prostitution and the sin strips of Patong and Pattaya. If it was up[ to them, Boyztown Pattaya, Bangla Rd. Patong etc. would be closed and the foreigners sent packing. The sex trade workers would be sent to schools or to other jobs. Prostitution was considered to be an exploitation of the poor. Thai communists would have been more at home in the bible belt where such things were forbidden and where the sanctity of the family and community social structure was respected.

I can see why many foreigners would not like these people. BTW, the Thai communists had a very severe approach to government corruption. It is why they aren't likely to be playing golf with some of the military generals or hanging out with Chalerm or Suthep. The Thai communists have never really supported Thaksin. They can't stand him and would like him disappear just as much as the yellow shirts.

This reveals much about your lack of experience and knowledge of hardcore revolutionary movements on the Left. Virtually, all of them are puritanical and austere. The above passage could have been written in Fidel's Granma or in any treatise penned by Bela Kun or Gomulka or even Lenin and Trotsky themselves.

[Crushdepth]

The court has ruled the protest is legal. If Reds attack protestors, the Royal Thai Police need to put a stop to it quickly. Every time they don't arrest perpetrators, they add credence to the PDRC's claim that the RTP needs to be overhauled. Even the Caretaker government is discussing things with the courts (Rule of Law).

And what if the UDD has a legal protest? What if the UDD supporters come to Bangkok to make their views known? Why would their protest be any less legal than that of the PDRC?

The groundwork was laid when the lower court said the civil disorder caused by the PDRC was acceptable. The government's hands were tied. And now you want the government which was precluded from acting against the protestors who are violent, to act against possible UDD protestors who have yet to protest. Old saying: As ye sow, so shall yee reap.

They can come and protest. But if they turn Bangkok into a bloodbath (being no strangers to violence if history is any guide) the government will fall. It's already tottering.

You can also expect the farmers to be heading back to Bangkok when their payments don't arrive next week. That should cheer up the PM.

[northernjohn]

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The government should step down immediately.

We have seen how there supporters support them in Trat last night. If it is to be a civil war it will be the actions of the government supporters.

Whatever you may think of the PDRC movement, they have only ever flared up into violence, when provoked by others. They are light years away from the red plague in Thailand that uses violence for its own ends. I am disgusted that so many here can still seem to side with these red dogs. Shame on you all

As if throwing grenades into the peaceful protests, shooting them from ministry rooftops, siccing Tarit and Chalerm's dogs of war on them wasn't already an attempt to "deal with them". Good greif, what an utter mess this Thaksin remuneration and blanket amnesty for all his crimes past,present and future has turned out to be.

No bias in any of these posts then?

Just what type of logic did you use to convert statements of fact into bias.

Share with us all so we to may be enlightened.

If you were an American you would know of Lincoln's Gettysburg address and the constitution. I suppose you would have considered them biased.

Sorry to non American's both were statements of freedom for all. It just took them a while to implement them. But the statements them selves are true facts.

[Gweiloman]

Ready or not, here comes the Civil War.

If it comes to that I expect a short one, between those willing going to war for the love of Thaksin and those that do it for the love of their country it will be a very mismatched attendance.

You are wrong if you think that it's only about Thaksin. These people have been given a vote and a voice and if you think they will give that up easily, you are in for some awakening.

[northernjohn]

Quote:

"Presenting a further headache for Yingluck, Thailand's anti-corruption body filed charges against her last week over a rice subsidy scheme that has left hundreds of farmers, her natural backers, unpaid."

Only hundreds of farmers getting unpaid. I thought the total was 1.4 million farmers didn't get paid in full.

Government is looking for 140 billion THB. Just divide 140,000,000,000 by the hundreds of farmers that didn't get paid. They all would be multi millionairs

You are one 100% correct she is not just sticking it to hundreds she is sticking it to over a million. In fact Millions as she intends to use are money to pay the PTP debt.

[Gweiloman]

The court has ruled the protest is legal. If Reds attack protestors, the Royal Thai Police need to put a stop to it quickly. Every time they don't arrest perpetrators, they add credence to the PDRC's claim that the RTP needs to be overhauled. Even the Caretaker government is discussing things with the courts (Rule of Law).

And what if the UDD has a legal protest? What if the UDD supporters come to Bangkok to make their views known? Why would their protest be any less legal than that of the PDRC?

The groundwork was laid when the lower court said the civil disorder caused by the PDRC was acceptable. The government's hands were tied. And now you want the government which was precluded from acting against the protestors who are violent, to act against possible UDD protestors who have yet to protest. Old saying: As ye sow, so shall yee reap.

Won't it be funny if they set up stages at those intersections leading to the current protest sites? That would mean the the (current) protestors would have to go through security checkpoints manned by the reds.

Things could get very interesting.

[agent69]

One of the eastern representatives mentioned about the Trat attack and was interupted. He was locked by the neck down the stage. There might be a clip on youtube some time soon.

[TVGerry]

The court has ruled the protest is legal. If Reds attack protestors, the Royal Thai Police need to put a stop to it quickly. Every time they don't arrest perpetrators, they add credence to the PDRC's claim that the RTP needs to be overhauled. Even the Caretaker government is discussing things with the courts (Rule of Law).

And what if the UDD has a legal protest? What if the UDD supporters come to Bangkok to make their views known? Why would their protest be any less legal than that of the PDRC?

The groundwork was laid when the lower court said the civil disorder caused by the PDRC was acceptable. The government's hands were tied. And now you want the government which was precluded from acting against the protestors who are violent, to act against possible UDD protestors who have yet to protest. Old saying: As ye sow, so shall yee reap.

Won't it be funny if they set up stages at those intersections leading to the current protest sites? That would mean the the (current) protestors would have to go through security checkpoints manned by the reds.

Things could get very interesting.

Both sides are armed. If that happens, there's going to be blood on the streets. But hey, anything to satisfy your curiosity of how things could get interesting.

[culicine]

&lt;deleted&gt;? UDD did come to BKK, and those involved in violence against them have been arrested and charged. Who has been arrested for the much more frequent attacks on anti-government protesters? Are you using some old cobblers to justify political murder?

Consider your own saying. If the attacks on the protesters continue, why would assassination of PTP leaders be unacceptable?

The UDD has basically stayed out of the current protests by the PDRC. We should be grateful that they stayed away, otherwise there would be battered bodies all over the place as city dwellers are no match for hard scrabble rural dwellers who are used to going without the comforts of modern life. The unfortunate reality is that once the lower court gave its blessing to the PDRC protestors, it opened the door for other groups to come and protest. It will be difficult for the courts to intervene now that they have said protests are acceptable. One cannot expect the Thai police to effectively intervene because the courts said they are forbidden from using tough measures against protestors.

Most of these hard rural scrabble you speak off wouldn't get off their &lt;deleted&gt; (never mind put themselves in danger), unless there is money involved. Most of them aren't even bothered to vote - jut look at the low turnout up north at the last election. Most, not all of course. Believe me there will be no face off between Bangkokians and northern folk - not unless some serious money is pumped into northern villages to encourage them to come.

[Gweiloman]

The court has ruled the protest is legal. If Reds attack protestors, the Royal Thai Police need to put a stop to it quickly. Every time they don't arrest perpetrators, they add credence to the PDRC's claim that the RTP needs to be overhauled. Even the Caretaker government is discussing things with the courts (Rule of Law).

And what if the UDD has a legal protest? What if the UDD supporters come to Bangkok to make their views known? Why would their protest be any less legal than that of the PDRC?

The groundwork was laid when the lower court said the civil disorder caused by the PDRC was acceptable. The government's hands were tied. And now you want the government which was precluded from acting against the protestors who are violent, to act against possible UDD protestors who have yet to protest. Old saying: As ye sow, so shall yee reap.

Won't it be funny if they set up stages at those intersections leading to the current protest sites? That would mean the the (current) protestors would have to go through security checkpoints manned by the reds.

Things could get very interesting.

Both sides are armed. If that happens, there's going to be blood on the streets. But hey, anything to satisfy your curiosity of how things could get interesting.

Blood on the streets? Not if the PDRC continues being peaceful like they have been these past few months.

[Mister Fixit]

'On Saturday, she (Thida) ruled out any plans for violence.'

Which means there will be. Anyone can recognise the not-so-veiled threats made by Jatuporn.

[mrtoad]

'On Saturday, she (Thida) ruled out any plans for violence.'

Which means there will be. Anyone can recognise the not-so-veiled threats made by Jatuporn.

How Jatuporn is no in jail is anyone's guess . He is ahate speaking, rabble rousing, imbecile. Bought and paid for by The coward in the desert.

[TVGerry]

Blood on the streets? Not if the PDRC continues being peaceful like they have been these past few months.

They've been peaceful for the most part. Especially considering they've been shot at and blown up on a daily basis. But you put red shirts in front of them who are just spoiling for a fight, the PRDC will defend themselves.

[ozvenison]

Why isn't Jatuporn in court fighting terrorism charges? His case was delayed because his co-accused were sitting MPs, but parliament is no longer in session and hasn't been for some time. Wouldn't this case then be priority given its limited opportunity to proceed?

Why haven't the Yellow shirts been to court for the ransacking at Government house and the Airport takeover yet... 7 or 8 years now?

[icommunity]

IMO, caretaker PM YS should realized by now that her faith and trust in working with the military and the 'old elite' power to bring about reconciliation and unity to Thailand have been betrayed.

The reconciliation bill was smeared and murdered. Violence, and non peaceful activities by the dem's pdrc/pcad had consistently been ruled by cc judges that they were peaceful means and unarmed.

May be we are going to have no more negotiation but more 'peaceful protest' methods of the dem's pdrc/pcad.

Oh no, someone suggested 'peaceful protesters' should block the independence agencies and demand officials and judges to stop works and join their 'peaceful protest' - by whichever group does not matter.

[dcutman]

RT@waanspeaking RT @nikhon_: (A) red shirt leader said on stage in Korat he/she was gratified by attack at PDRC Trat stage. Tida had to stop him/her.

Wonder witch one of these sick ass (so called leaders) people could find gratification in innocent people being maimed and murdered.

To many choices to even make a guess.

[TVGerry]

IMO, caretaker PM YS should realized by now that her faith and trust in working with the military and the 'old elite' power to bring about reconciliation and unity to Thailand have been betrayed.

The reconciliation bill was smeared and murdered. Violence, and non peaceful activities by the dem's pdrc/pcad had consistently been ruled by cc judges that they were peaceful means and unarmed.

May be we are going to have no more negotiation but more 'peaceful protest' methods of the dem's pdrc/pcad.

Oh no, someone suggested 'peaceful protesters' should block the independence agencies and demand officials and judges to stop works and join their 'peaceful protest' - by whichever group does not matter.

Yeah 'reconciliation' bill. I'm surprised red apologists still have the nerve to bring it up when the smart thing to do is sweep it under the carpet. The bill was not about reconciliation, it was about bringing the scum of Dubai back. And if this fool of a government didn't try to ram this bring the boss home bill right down our throats, this mess wouldn't have started in the first place.

[ScouseTommy]

The court has ruled the protest is legal. If Reds attack protestors, the Royal Thai Police need to put a stop to it quickly. Every time they don't arrest perpetrators, they add credence to the PDRC's claim that the RTP needs to be overhauled. Even the Caretaker government is discussing things with the courts (Rule of Law).

And what if the UDD has a legal protest? What if the UDD supporters come to Bangkok to make their views known? Why would their protest be any less legal than that of the PDRC?

The groundwork was laid when the lower court said the civil disorder caused by the PDRC was acceptable. The government's hands were tied. And now you want the government which was precluded from acting against the protestors who are violent, to act against possible UDD protestors who have yet to protest. Old saying: As ye sow, so shall yee reap.

Won't it be funny if they set up stages at those intersections leading to the current protest sites? That would mean the the (current) protestors would have to go through security checkpoints manned by the reds.

Things could get very interesting.

I take it you dont live in BKK? No it wouldn't be funny it would be a blood bath. I dont find death a laughing matter but it seems many UDDers do!

[rickirs]

The announcement of the government supporters is, sadly, the next logical response to police being barred (without further direction from the Court) from maintaining civil law and order. I'm surprised it took them this long to respond as such; maybe a credit to the government's restraint. When one political faction is allowed to use violence (and this can be exclusive of weapons) without restraint as a means to an end, why shouldn't any other political faction not be allowed the same opportunities for violence? With the current court restrictions on police, political and nonpolitical vigilantes will fill the vacuum for what they believe to be protection of their civil liberties.

[northernjohn]

This has been Suthep's strategy since the army refused to side with him. He now needs the reds to come out to confront him in order to bring out the troops. His despicable taunts and threats have been directed at the reds in order to provoke a reaction.

Yes three years ago Suthep planed to have a mass rally in Trat.

He figured that he could then pay the red shirts (they don't work for free) to drive by and shoot indiscriminately into the protestors with live ammunition and throw grenades into the dirty no good for nothing low life seekers of honesty.

You truly in a world of your own.

[Gweiloman]

And what if the UDD has a legal protest? What if the UDD supporters come to Bangkok to make their views known? Why would their protest be any less legal than that of the PDRC?

The groundwork was laid when the lower court said the civil disorder caused by the PDRC was acceptable. The government's hands were tied. And now you want the government which was precluded from acting against the protestors who are violent, to act against possible UDD protestors who have yet to protest. Old saying: As ye sow, so shall yee reap.

Won't it be funny if they set up stages at those intersections leading to the current protest sites? That would mean the the (current) protestors would have to go through security checkpoints manned by the reds.

Things could get very interesting.

I take it you dont live in BKK? No it wouldn't be funny it would be a blood bath. I dont find death a laughing matter but it seems many UDDers do!

I do live in Bkk. In fact, I live right on top of the Asoke protest stage.

It won't be funny at all is there is a blood bath. I was also living here during the violence in 2010 but that would be nothing compared to what can possibly happen now. That's why it's time to stop the protests as they are not serving any more purposes (like I mentioned on another thread yesterday) other than to inconvenience normal residents and local businesses.

[icommunity]

IMO, caretaker PM YS should realized by now that her faith and trust in working with the military and the 'old elite' power to bring about reconciliation and unity to Thailand have been betrayed.

The reconciliation bill was smeared and murdered. Violence, and non peaceful activities by the dem's pdrc/pcad had consistently been ruled by cc judges that they were peaceful means and unarmed.

May be we are going to have no more negotiation but more 'peaceful protest' methods of the dem's pdrc/pcad.

Oh no, someone suggested 'peaceful protesters' should block the independence agencies and demand officials and judges to stop works and join their 'peaceful protest' - by whichever group does not matter.

Yeah 'reconciliation' bill. I'm surprised red apologists still have the nerve to bring it up when the smart thing to do is sweep it under the carpet. The bill was not about reconciliation, it was about bringing the scum of Dubai back. And if this fool of a government didn't try to ram this bring the boss home bill right down our throats, this mess wouldn't have started in the first place.

Hahahaha, you are so simplistic. Read my post carefully, I reference the bill because it was smeared and murdered. The faith and trust were betrayed.

BTW, with the reconciliation bill smeared and murdered, where do we go from here? Shall we have all the RS/UDD still in prisons without trials go on trial? Shall we also stop the never ending postponing of criminal cases related to PAD and the dem? Shall we see the coup makers, supporters and financiers arrested and charged?

[northernjohn]

The court has ruled the protest is legal. If Reds attack protestors, the Royal Thai Police need to put a stop to it quickly. Every time they don't arrest perpetrators, they add credence to the PDRC's claim that the RTP needs to be overhauled. Even the Caretaker government is discussing things with the courts (Rule of Law).

And what if the UDD has a legal protest? What if the UDD supporters come to Bangkok to make their views known? Why would their protest be any less legal than that of the PDRC?

The groundwork was laid when the lower court said the civil disorder caused by the PDRC was acceptable. The government's hands were tied. And now you want the government which was precluded from acting against the protestors who are violent, to act against possible UDD protestors who have yet to protest. Old saying: As ye sow, so shall yee reap.

Well what of if the red shirts all woke up and were honest all of a sudden. what of a lot of things. So you take the decision of one court to open the door for civil war.

Problem being they are not all that bright. They started in Trat last night before they announced the opposite intentions.

In case you missed it they did not talk last night they acted.

They showed their true colors in Trat last night.

You are beginning to sound like a Jatuporn understudy to clownism.

[ScouseTommy]

And what if the UDD has a legal protest? What if the UDD supporters come to Bangkok to make their views known? Why would their protest be any less legal than that of the PDRC?

The groundwork was laid when the lower court said the civil disorder caused by the PDRC was acceptable. The government's hands were tied. And now you want the government which was precluded from acting against the protestors who are violent, to act against possible UDD protestors who have yet to protest. Old saying: As ye sow, so shall yee reap.

Won't it be funny if they set up stages at those intersections leading to the current protest sites? That would mean the the (current) protestors would have to go through security checkpoints manned by the reds.

Things could get very interesting.

I take it you dont live in BKK? No it wouldn't be funny it would be a blood bath. I dont find death a laughing matter but it seems many UDDers do!

I do live in Bkk. In fact, I live right on top of the Asoke protest stage.

It won't be funny at all is there is a blood bath. I was also living here during the violence in 2010 but that would be nothing compared to what can possibly happen now. That's why it's time to stop the protests as they are not serving any more purposes (like I mentioned on another thread yesterday) other than to inconvenience normal residents and local businesses.

Then why make such an inane throw away comment? I live in the area as well. If you live there and you know all this it just makes your comment even more irrelevant!

Edited February 23, 2014 by ScouseTommy