Reds besiege NACC HQ as PM Yingluck gets hero's welcome in North

[ginjag]

Words fail me........... i never argue with idiots, they drag you down to their level ..............then beat you with their experience

I would say the idiots are the opposition to the Shinawatras, instead of trying to force an elected government out of office when its clear tehy have MASSIVE SUPPORT still and then trying to push a family out of politics why not actually work towards showing the people you have THEIR interests at heart.

Thaksins won the peoples hearts by taking them into account and helping them and that is why they have the massive support and the only way to tackle that is for the opposition to stop thinking about themselves and start a campaign to help the poor in the north because the BKK elite is still seen to be only interested in enriching themselves and keeping the poor poor.

Until they realize that they are doomed to lose the next election YET AGAIN no matter what happens in the interim.

You cannot hold down the majority of voters who WANT THE Shinawatra family in power and you wont be able to change that by force just like it was proven in the last Coup.

Thaksin USED the majority population to get to power, he did nothing more than anyone else--let them borrow money easy and took the deeds when they didn't pay up.

If my bank let me have any amount of money to borrow, I would not bite---BUT The less educated bite the carrot, he presto he is a hero.

Then he was that clever he got his fingers in the till so to speak, and ran off.

You know the rest---

[pkspeaker]

This is one 'shutdown' protest that I fully support. If the anti-democracy PAD/PDRC activists can sabotage The first election 2 years ago which mandated Yingluck serve a four year term, the second election which became necessary after the PADemocrats resigned in mass and began to openly endorse appointed dictatorship, the rice pledging program where PAD-PDRC activists put pressure on banks because the program became defunded as a result of the government loosing power due to it's caretaker role.. all of this chaos was created by Sutheps 'shutdown' campaign..

So now pro-democracy activists will shut down a sham court that is bringing about sham charges against the democratically elected PM in order to force her out of power.

The whole case against her smaks of PAD-PDRC elitism.. Dereliction of Duty - this is the same as saying the PM is 'incompetent'

Every opposition in every democracy charges that the sitting government is guilty of negligence and incompetence.. it is upto the VOTERS to decide whether or not that is the case, when a PM does a bad job the voters fire her.

The 'NACC' doesn't see it that way, THEY have decided that the voters are 'too stupid and unsophisticated' to select their own leaders, so the NACC is going to act as a dictator that appoints it's own deputy to run the country..

BTW the NACC is also planning on mowing down more than 300 MPs for 'voting' for an amendment to the charter that would have made the upper house more democratic.

[uptheos]

It won't be easy, you'll think it strange
When I try to explain how I feel
That I still need your love after all that I've done

You won't believe me
All you will see is a girl you once knew
Although she's dressed up to the nines
At sixes and sevens with you

Don't cry for me..................

[Thait Spot]

"...in a bid to prevent the agency from pursuing a corruption case against caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra"

I would question this motive as stated.

No-one can expect this NACC to stop doing what they are doing....Given their Opposition-friendly history, especially on display in this case, the motive is more clearly to focus attention on that fact.

As with that phony PAD-Dem oriented NIDA Pol ruminating about Neutral Prime Ministers, the notion that the very popular and powerful choice for Prime Minister by the electoral majority, will somehow be denied, is like waving a red flag in front of the PTP/UDD/RS's(no pun intended).

The fact this NACC is ruminating about this, as well as that NIDA thing, is all seen as playing the "coup-monger and Elitist" fiddle.

I would therefore postulate that the motive is to draw attention to this lack of Independence, and to the motivational roots of this NACC, rather than trying to prevent them from doing what they and Elitist friends are intending to do.

It amazes me how some puffed up lickspittles leap to the defence of the indefensible in this manner as well as those who take a news story and twist and distort the facts to suit their own fawning ends.

Do you know what evidence the NACC has?

We know for a fact that there has been a fictitious government to government deal with China

And we know for a fact that the scheme has lost hundreds of billions of baht

And we know for a fact that there are millions of tonnes of rice unaccounted for

And we know for a fact that the farmers have seen the smallest fraction of the funds

And we know for a fact that rice has been imported from neighbouring countries to be sold into the scheme

So before you unleash all your usual "elitist" "coup" nonsense, consider the facts that are in the public domain

And wait until the facts of the cases in question against YS and her cabinet are known before you deride them

Could you please post the resources that documents those facts, as I have requested anti-government people to post how many billions were lost, and from when in the government budget it was lost from.

I know for a "fact" that anti government supporters have quoted all of these facts over the last 4 months.

I know as a fact the NACC has only charged Yingluck with, "Negligence in preforming her job" Why when you know all the facts the NACC does not have evidence to make a charge of "Corruption".

Kindly enlighten us!

Cheers

We know for a fact that there has been a fictitious government to government deal with China - statements from the NACC

And we know for a fact that the scheme has lost hundreds of billions of baht - Statements from the head civil servant that was removed from her post for speaking out, reports from a number of respected publications such as Reuters and Bloomberg

And we know for a fact that there are millions of tonnes of rice unaccounted for - statments from the government about a missing 2 million tonnes

And we know for a fact that the farmers have seen the smallest fraction of the funds - Bangkok Post, The Nation etc.

And we know for a fact that rice has been imported from neighbouring countries to be sold into the scheme - see the BBC report on imports from Myanmar

So before you unleash all your usual "elitist" "coup" nonsense, consider the facts that are in the public domain

" I have requested anti-government people to post how many billions were lost, and from when in the government budget it was lost from." Do you not see that despite any rice sales, the BAAC is 500 billion in debt? Farmers are owed an additional 130 billion baht and the government declared stock piles of 12 million tonnes is worth a market price of 132 billion?

"I know as a fact the NACC has only charged Yingluck with, "Negligence in preforming her job" I think you will find that she has been charged with dereliction of duty and malfeasance

[Hobiecat]

"We must protect and ensure the safety of the prime minister, because the premier is the only person who can advance Thai democracy," he said.

The Reds still can't figure out that vote buying is not democracy.

[Goat Roper]

Reminds me of the last days of Hitler taking refuge in his bunker...while the country around him was falling like ten pins.

Add a few other corrupt regimes to that list as well, Marcos and Suharto spring to mind.

Soon as YL is formerly charged she will be one step closer to Dubai IMO. Her brother has ordered her to CM, CR just in case things get really nasty in Bangkok.

Wasn't there some famous Thai fortune teller a couple years ago that predicted YL would suffer the same fate as her brother?

[ginjag]

This is one 'shutdown' protest that I fully support. If the anti-democracy PAD/PDRC activists can sabotage The first election 2 years ago which mandated Yingluck serve a four year term, the second election which became necessary after the PADemocrats resigned in mass and began to openly endorse appointed dictatorship, the rice pledging program where PAD-PDRC activists put pressure on banks because the program became defunded as a result of the government loosing power due to it's caretaker role.. all of this chaos was created by Sutheps 'shutdown' campaign..

So now pro-democracy activists will shut down a sham court that is bringing about sham charges against the democratically elected PM in order to force her out of power.

The whole case against her smaks of PAD-PDRC elitism.. Dereliction of Duty - this is the same as saying the PM is 'incompetent'

Every opposition in every democracy charges that the sitting government is guilty of negligence and incompetence.. it is upto the VOTERS to decide whether or not that is the case, when a PM does a bad job the voters fire her.

The 'NACC' doesn't see it that way, THEY have decided that the voters are 'too stupid and unsophisticated' to select their own leaders, so the NACC is going to act as a dictator that appoints it's own deputy to run the country..

BTW the NACC is also planning on mowing down more than 300 MPs for 'voting' for an amendment to the charter that would have made the upper house more democratic.

Unbelievable---- you rob a bank and tell everyone it was your aunties fault for what you did.

Many countries have controversial bills, but they ARE discussed---NOT pushed through in the early hours of the morning--(democratically elected)

Follow the money--here difficult as the government cover up the accounts ?? in most projects.

The school tablets-----------------water management-----------------rice scam---------------you DO NOT have elections to deal with these MEGA probs the court has to do it, even if you reds do not like it.

Have you noticed anything the reds have done the Amnesty bill would have pardoned them---the court is trying to deal with mega fraud etc and you say its politically motivated---- same SH###

OUT ALL clean start.

[Thait Spot]

"...in a bid to prevent the agency from pursuing a corruption case against caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra"

I would question this motive as stated.

No-one can expect this NACC to stop doing what they are doing....Given their Opposition-friendly history, especially on display in this case, the motive is more clearly to focus attention on that fact.

As with that phony PAD-Dem oriented NIDA Pol ruminating about Neutral Prime Ministers, the notion that the very popular and powerful choice for Prime Minister by the electoral majority, will somehow be denied, is like waving a red flag in front of the PTP/UDD/RS's(no pun intended).

The fact this NACC is ruminating about this, as well as that NIDA thing, is all seen as playing the "coup-monger and Elitist" fiddle.

I would therefore postulate that the motive is to draw attention to this lack of Independence, and to the motivational roots of this NACC, rather than trying to prevent them from doing what they and Elitist friends are intending to do.

It amazes me how some puffed up lickspittles leap to the defence of the indefensible in this manner as well as those who take a news story and twist and distort the facts to suit their own fawning ends.

Do you know what evidence the NACC has?

We know for a fact that there has been a fictitious government to government deal with China

And we know for a fact that the scheme has lost hundreds of billions of baht

And we know for a fact that there are millions of tonnes of rice unaccounted for

And we know for a fact that the farmers have seen the smallest fraction of the funds

And we know for a fact that rice has been imported from neighbouring countries to be sold into the scheme

So before you unleash all your usual "elitist" "coup" nonsense, consider the facts that are in the public domain

And wait until the facts of the cases in question against YS and her cabinet are known before you deride them

I haven't see anything but allegations yet on all your "facts" I prefer to see if indeed the ":facts are real or just proffered.. we all know from years and years of residing here that nothing is as it appears at first blush... and often times second and third blushes... so for me... the jury is still out.. I recall photos of Chinese Officials sitting at a table signing rice deals... are there "facts" that support those Photos were fake...? never let the "facts" get in the way of a good story.. my uncle Roald used to say...and he spun yarns long into the night and deep into the bottle......

I'm not sure anyone really knows wth is going on.... but we know one thing for sure it is messed up...here's a quote from a blurb in the nation a few weeks ago... now it appears to me that there were deals made.. pre-existing deals linked to the high speed train projects and others going forward... but we all interpret things differently ,, so hard to get a real grip...because nothing...nothing is transparent here..

Then, another Chinese firm, Heilongjiang Beidahuang Rice Industry Group, was said to have signed another "g-to-g" deal. Last week, the Commerce Ministry confirmed that the firm had cancelled the contract due to Thailand's domestic changes.

Chinese government would consider any deal a government-to-government transaction only if it is done through its national state enterprise for this purpose - COFCO.

COFCO does have a five-year contract to buy 200,000 tonnes of rice yearly. Another deal was to be signed on December 15, last year, for a two-year special offer to buy one million tonnes each year after Premier Li Keqiang's visit last year. The draft agreement mentioned the Thai government's readiness to give priority consideration to China's participation in the country's high-speed train project - and Beijing's agreement to receive agricultural products as part of the payment for that service.

But the signing never took place because of the House dissolution.

Cheers!

"Then, another Chinese firm, Heilongjiang Beidahuang Rice Industry Group, was said to have signed another "g-to-g" deal. Last week, the Commerce Ministry confirmed that the firm had cancelled the contract due to Thailand's domestic changes."

"was said to have" is not really a ringing endorsement - and a G2G deal with a company? Really?

We shall see.

Edited February 27, 2014 by SeaVisionBurma
changed portion of quoted text to standard font

[Just1Voice]

"We must protect and ensure the safety of the prime minister, because the premier is the only person who can advance Thai democracy," he said.

The Reds still can't figure out that vote buying is not democracy.

Neither can the Dems and every other political party. Even Korn of the Dem Party admitted they spent more than PTP in the previous election,and that "vote buying" had no determination on the final outcome.

Please try to not let your bias be so obvious.

[hansnl]

Now that we have a gathering of reds in BKK, the Army can do their favourite tactic of firing into crowds of civilians. When they do, it will be unusual because usually they wait about 10 years between massacres but twice in 4 years is excessive even for them. They must not have hit their body target in 2010.

It is surely advisable to switch on your brain before making comments like the above.

[Seastallion]

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Stoopid reds, they shouldn't even be allowed to vote!

I have long held that pure democracy is dumb. Qualified democracy is best for any country, ie voters have to pass an IQ threshold to qualify to vote. Obviously, candidates have to pass a higher threshold before standing.

[Ricardo]

Well that confirms that the reds are planning to split Thailand into the northern Republic of Shin, where "corruption is normal"(long termers will remember the champion of democracy that said that infamous quote), the people will be promised everything while being robbed of their hope, future and dignity. Good luck to them up there, they will get exactly what they want and deserve.

Meanwhile the rest of the nation can continue in an improving democracy, complete with strengthened checks and balances, functioning police force, education improvements. The vital lesson that must be learned for the nation south of the Republic of Shin is that a cult of personality such as the one that the Shins created must never be allowed again. Had Thaksin's first election win been nullified due to his lying and blatant asset concealment(which showed he was 100% unsuitable to be PM in a functioning democracy) none of this mess would have happened. Checks and balances, checks and balances........

"Good luck to them up there, they will get exactly what they want and deserve."

Just to point out that in the recent election, an absolute maximum of 35% of the electorate in the North-West actually voted for PTP, probably significantly less.

The rest voted for other candidates, voted "No" and spoiled their papers, or simply didn't vote at all !

http://asiancorrespondent.com/119339/ec-figures-show-turn-out-at-47-72/

So it's really wrong to punish all the future citizens of this hypothetical new country, for what only a minority of them supported, the rest may well not "want or deserve" that fate !

But their reluctance to actually say so, when a crowd gathers to welcome the beleaguered caretaker-PM to her home-town, is entirely understandable IMO.

[oldsailor35]

"...in a bid to prevent the agency from pursuing a corruption case against caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra"

I would question this motive as stated.

No-one can expect this NACC to stop doing what they are doing....Given their Opposition-friendly history, especially on display in this case, the motive is more clearly to focus attention on that fact.

As with that phony PAD-Dem oriented NIDA Pol ruminating about Neutral Prime Ministers, the notion that the very popular and powerful choice for Prime Minister by the electoral majority, will somehow be denied, is like waving a red flag in front of the PTP/UDD/RS's(no pun intended).

The fact this NACC is ruminating about this, as well as that NIDA thing, is all seen as playing the "coup-monger and Elitist" fiddle.

I would therefore postulate that the motive is to draw attention to this lack of Independence, and to the motivational roots of this NACC, rather than trying to prevent them from doing what they and Elitist friends are intending to do.

It amazes me how some puffed up lickspittles leap to the defence of the indefensible in this manner as well as those who take a news story and twist and distort the facts to suit their own fawning ends.

Do you know what evidence the NACC has?

We know for a fact that there has been a fictitious government to government deal with China

And we know for a fact that the scheme has lost hundreds of billions of baht

And we know for a fact that there are millions of tonnes of rice unaccounted for

And we know for a fact that the farmers have seen the smallest fraction of the funds

And we know for a fact that rice has been imported from neighbouring countries to be sold into the scheme

So before you unleash all your usual "elitist" "coup" nonsense, consider the facts that are in the public domain

And wait until the facts of the cases in question against YS and her cabinet are known before you deride them

Could you please post the resources that documents those facts, as I have requested anti-government people to post how many billions were lost, and from when in the government budget it was lost from.

I know for a "fact" that anti government supporters have quoted all of these facts over the last 4 months.

I know as a fact the NACC has only charged Yingluck with, "Negligence in preforming her job" Why when you know all the facts the NACC does not have evidence to make a charge of "Corruption".

Kindly enlighten us!

Cheers

Dr Goebbles had this one sewn up a few years ago "repeat it often enough and the believers will believe"

[ginjag]

"We must protect and ensure the safety of the prime minister, because the premier is the only person who can advance Thai democracy," he said.

The Reds still can't figure out that vote buying is not democracy.

Neither can the Dems and every other political party. Even Korn of the Dem Party admitted they spent more than PTP in the previous election,and that "vote buying" had no determination on the final outcome.

Please try to not let your bias be so obvious.

All this talk about vote buying is not really anyone can do ONLY have it a mega offence to be involved in it.

Democracy at polling time --democratic way of doing things, if the government of the day is way out of favour they can call on elections to show they are not all bad and get an outcome that way,

If the government are involved in Mega corruption and other matters the courts will find if they are guilty---elections at these times are ridiculous --pointless--- a family involved in so much corruption have to get out, or be thrown out.

[Brevity]

"The greetings left the premier's eyes brimming with tears."

Tears of shame and guilt, I would hope. Or maybe tears of sadness as she sees her chances to appease big brother and make him the Grand Dictator of Thailand slipping away. Perhaps crocodile tears as inside she is laughing at what suckers these people are for supporting her. She is a master at producing tears for the photographers. Her tears come in a variety of "flavours".

[Seastallion]

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This is one 'shutdown' protest that I fully support. If the anti-democracy PAD/PDRC activists can sabotage The first election 2 years ago which mandated Yingluck serve a four year term, the second election which became necessary after the PADemocrats resigned in mass and began to openly endorse appointed dictatorship, the rice pledging program where PAD-PDRC activists put pressure on banks because the program became defunded as a result of the government loosing power due to it's caretaker role.. all of this chaos was created by Sutheps 'shutdown' campaign..

So now pro-democracy activists will shut down a sham court that is bringing about sham charges against the democratically elected PM in order to force her out of power.

The whole case against her smaks of PAD-PDRC elitism.. Dereliction of Duty - this is the same as saying the PM is 'incompetent'

Every opposition in every democracy charges that the sitting government is guilty of negligence and incompetence.. it is upto the VOTERS to decide whether or not that is the case, when a PM does a bad job the voters fire her.

The 'NACC' doesn't see it that way, THEY have decided that the voters are 'too stupid and unsophisticated' to select their own leaders, so the NACC is going to act as a dictator that appoints it's own deputy to run the country..

BTW the NACC is also planning on mowing down more than 300 MPs for 'voting' for an amendment to the charter that would have made the upper house more democratic.

(Bold underlined is my emphasis), Well, yeah! By definition the vote of the average person is an average vote. An Average vote will elect average decision-makers.The best thing for a country is an above average decision. Thus, the uneducated and easily swayed peasantry should indeed be prohibited from voting. The mandate for the elected is to hear the non-voters and consider their needs.

[Fryslan boppe]

"...in a bid to prevent the agency from pursuing a corruption case against caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra"

I would question this motive as stated.

No-one can expect this NACC to stop doing what they are doing....Given their Opposition-friendly history, especially on display in this case, the motive is more clearly to focus attention on that fact.

As with that phony PAD-Dem oriented NIDA Pol ruminating about Neutral Prime Ministers, the notion that the very popular and powerful choice for Prime Minister by the electoral majority, will somehow be denied, is like waving a red flag in front of the PTP/UDD/RS's(no pun intended).

The fact this NACC is ruminating about this, as well as that NIDA thing, is all seen as playing the "coup-monger and Elitist" fiddle.

I would therefore postulate that the motive is to draw attention to this lack of Independence, and to the motivational roots of this NACC, rather than trying to prevent them from doing what they and Elitist friends are intending to do.

It amazes me how some puffed up lickspittles leap to the defence of the indefensible in this manner as well as those who take a news story and twist and distort the facts to suit their own fawning ends.

Do you know what evidence the NACC has?

We know for a fact that there has been a fictitious government to government deal with China

And we know for a fact that the scheme has lost hundreds of billions of baht

And we know for a fact that there are millions of tonnes of rice unaccounted for

And we know for a fact that the farmers have seen the smallest fraction of the funds

And we know for a fact that rice has been imported from neighbouring countries to be sold into the scheme

So before you unleash all your usual "elitist" "coup" nonsense, consider the facts that are in the public domain

And wait until the facts of the cases in question against YS and her cabinet are known before you deride them

Could you please post the resources that documents those facts, as I have requested anti-government people to post how many billions were lost, and from when in the government budget it was lost from.

I know for a "fact" that anti government supporters have quoted all of these facts over the last 4 months.

I know as a fact the NACC has only charged Yingluck with, "Negligence in preforming her job" Why when you know all the facts the NACC does not have evidence to make a charge of "Corruption".

Kindly enlighten us!

Cheers

We know for a fact that there has been a fictitious government to government deal with China - statements from the NACC

And we know for a fact that the scheme has lost hundreds of billions of baht - Statements from the head civil servant that was removed from her post for speaking out, reports from a number of respected publications such as Reuters and Bloomberg

And we know for a fact that there are millions of tonnes of rice unaccounted for - statments from the government about a missing 2 million tonnes

And we know for a fact that the farmers have seen the smallest fraction of the funds - Bangkok Post, The Nation etc.

And we know for a fact that rice has been imported from neighbouring countries to be sold into the scheme - see the BBC report on imports from Myanmar

So before you unleash all your usual "elitist" "coup" nonsense, consider the facts that are in the public domain

" I have requested anti-government people to post how many billions were lost, and from when in the government budget it was lost from." Do you not see that despite any rice sales, the BAAC is 500 billion in debt? Farmers are owed an additional 130 billion baht and the government declared stock piles of 12 million tonnes is worth a market price of 132 billion?

"I know as a fact the NACC has only charged Yingluck with, "Negligence in preforming her job" I think you will find that she has been charged with dereliction of duty and malfeasance

"We know for a fact..."

Facts self-servingly stated by the Opposition may be facts....so expose them in Parliament, subject to counter arguments and electoral review. If they are all as egregious as they claim, voters have a way of rendering judgment in subsequent elections...Or at least that is the way it works in mature Electoral Democracies.

Same as the Post-2006 coup demonization of Thaksin by the coupists attempting to justify themselves, didn't fly...the voters knew the score and knew the source. They rendered judgment on all of that, and voted accordingly.

No amount of denigration of voters by unelectables is applicable. No political system is perfect, and neither is Thailand.

Unless one shows a better way to select majorities to govern the country, those are the rules which applies in an imperfect Electoral Democracy such as Thailand....The coup-mongering anti-Democracy, minority rule stuff does not.

Edited February 27, 2014 by Fryslan boppe

[uptheos]

"We must protect and ensure the safety of the prime minister, because the premier is the only person who can advance Thai democracy," he said.

The Reds still can't figure out that vote buying is not democracy.

And if she can't, we'll have another democratic coup.

[gemini81]

This is one 'shutdown' protest that I fully support. If the anti-democracy PAD/PDRC activists can sabotage The first election 2 years ago which mandated Yingluck serve a four year term, the second election which became necessary after the PADemocrats resigned in mass and began to openly endorse appointed dictatorship, the rice pledging program where PAD-PDRC activists put pressure on banks because the program became defunded as a result of the government loosing power due to it's caretaker role.. all of this chaos was created by Sutheps 'shutdown' campaign..

So now pro-democracy activists will shut down a sham court that is bringing about sham charges against the democratically elected PM in order to force her out of power.

The whole case against her smaks of PAD-PDRC elitism.. Dereliction of Duty - this is the same as saying the PM is 'incompetent'

Every opposition in every democracy charges that the sitting government is guilty of negligence and incompetence.. it is upto the VOTERS to decide whether or not that is the case, when a PM does a bad job the voters fire her.

The 'NACC' doesn't see it that way, THEY have decided that the voters are 'too stupid and unsophisticated' to select their own leaders, so the NACC is going to act as a dictator that appoints it's own deputy to run the country..

BTW the NACC is also planning on mowing down more than 300 MPs for 'voting' for an amendment to the charter that would have made the upper house more democratic.

You're straying from the topic; and not regarding the fact that this system here is not a democracy- its a constitutional monarchy. PTP don't respect the law; and it has been that way since they came into office. The anti-gov't protests are a proper response aren't they?

How is the assistant PM (Yingluck) competent? What has she succeeded at?

[Baerboxer]

This is one 'shutdown' protest that I fully support. If the anti-democracy PAD/PDRC activists can sabotage The first election 2 years ago which mandated Yingluck serve a four year term, the second election which became necessary after the PADemocrats resigned in mass and began to openly endorse appointed dictatorship, the rice pledging program where PAD-PDRC activists put pressure on banks because the program became defunded as a result of the government loosing power due to it's caretaker role.. all of this chaos was created by Sutheps 'shutdown' campaign..

So now pro-democracy activists will shut down a sham court that is bringing about sham charges against the democratically elected PM in order to force her out of power.

The whole case against her smaks of PAD-PDRC elitism.. Dereliction of Duty - this is the same as saying the PM is 'incompetent'

Every opposition in every democracy charges that the sitting government is guilty of negligence and incompetence.. it is upto the VOTERS to decide whether or not that is the case, when a PM does a bad job the voters fire her.

The 'NACC' doesn't see it that way, THEY have decided that the voters are 'too stupid and unsophisticated' to select their own leaders, so the NACC is going to act as a dictator that appoints it's own deputy to run the country..

BTW the NACC is also planning on mowing down more than 300 MPs for 'voting' for an amendment to the charter that would have made the upper house more democratic.

Complete nonsense. Yingluck was not elected to lie. cheat, act illegally or allow her brother, a convicted criminal fugitive to run the country. No democratic country in this world would accept such behavior from their government.

The constant suggestion that any judge, court or commission that dares to challenge the Shin Clan is a biased tool of the old money HiSo elitist amart ruling families is nonsense. Simple propaganda put out by a renegade newcomer member of that gang that want it all for themselves. Creating the illusion they are the peoples' party wanting justice, democracy and freedom - load of smoke and mirrors &lt;deleted&gt;.

She was appointed by her brother from his party to deliver his strategy. In doing so, she may have acted incorrectly and must face these allegations.

The NACC are fighting corruption, not trying to appoint "their" man to run the country.

The Shins and their supporters will do anything to avoid answering questions or show accountability and responsibility - ask the Ombudsman how long he's been waiting an answer. They just get annoyed at all these inconvenient rules, and see themselves above all this.

Most Thais I know that voted for PTP in 2011 now deeply regret it. They see this regime as the most corrupt and inept ever, and are very disappointed at how they have turned Thailand into a laughing stock.

Not bothering to turn up to acknowledge charges or examining the evidence, not bothering about the vow made to pay farmers this week. Just keep telling the lies and ignore all the problems whilst refusing to answer anything.

[TVGerry]

LOL government and their red lackeys using the same tactics as the PRDC to prevent anti corruption agency from doing their job, while PM flees to the north! Oh the irony and hypocrisy!

[ginjag]

Someone seems to be spending a LOT of time up in the "north" of the country . . . anyone know how many trips she's made "south" of Bangkok over the course of her term so far?

I reckon, about the same number of trips ! as Benito Suthep has made to Chaing Mai

Few shelter under trees during a thunderstorm, Suthep is not running anywhere, for what ???

Yingluck is doing normal royal duties opening otop shops, wading in Burberry's, riding on farm tractors with White wellies on. INSTEAD of having serious press interviews to show her innocence, and good governance, UNLESS she has something to hide or too difficult to answer in public.

Now is the time to come clean and be interviewed in full view of the public and International community. Come on gal do your honest bit face up---not facebook.

[Thait Spot]

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Kikoman, do you dare to come out and openly say on TV that you think the rice scheme is a succesful, corruption free program that helps the farmers as well as the country?

Kikoman may reply in due course, but let me also retort, if you don't mind.

Agricultural price support programs are never intended to be profit-oriented. They are Policy oriented programs focusing on specific agricultural sectors....This is for the purposes of helping farmers as well as the country.....I am sure the PAD-dem's appreciated similar efforts in the past dealing, with rubber. I understand at one point in a a pre-Thaksin Govt., the govt. of the day dictated that Rubber could only be farmed in the South.

The principle concern by farmers about this rice thing, was the financial impediments the Elitists threw up to prevent making payments as scheduled...All for political purposes, belying their sudden conversion to huge political concerns for this agricultural sector and these constituents, and to foster their coupist intentions.

With respect to the self-serving, oft-charged corruption thing the Opposition tries to lay exclusively at the feet of the elected Govt., an analysis involving all elements would be in order, including the PAD-Dem Bureaucracy constituency.

And if such humongous levels of corruption be discovered and responsibilities assigned, a thorough vetting in Parliament may be called for.

Thereafter the voters would act accordingly......An expression of which is currently being impeded by the Opposition for reasons we can all speculate about....In fact, the electorate is in the process of voting their views, including this rice thing....One cannot complain that the electorate was not informed before they voted, considering the noise made by the Opposition.

Finish the election and tabulate the votes.

I'm talking about rice

You're talking about rubber, coups (there's a surprise), elitists (another surprise), and throw together a collection of polysyllabic vocabulary without the required glue of syntax - what the hell is "PAD-Dem Bureaucracy constituency"?

[Tatsujin]

Someone seems to be spending a LOT of time up in the "north" of the country . . . anyone know how many trips she's made "south" of Bangkok over the course of her term so far?

I reckon, about the same number of trips ! as Benito Suthep has made to Chaing Mai

Funny. But Yingluck is the PM and supposed to represent the "whole" country, yet her "duties" (election campaigning) always seems to take her north of Bangkok.

[JRSoul]

Reminds me of the last days of Hitler taking refuge in his bunker...while the country around him was falling like ten pins.

I don't think it is appropriate to label the PDRC as rapists and looters engaged in mass murder. In fairness, I don't think the PDRC is as bad as the Soviet Red Army.

How bloody typical. Denigrate PDRC and the Red Army while ignoring the evils of those they were combating, when if fact their misdeeds are miniscule in comparison.

[Thait Spot]

We know for a fact that there has been a fictitious government to government deal with China - statements from the NACC

And we know for a fact that the scheme has lost hundreds of billions of baht - Statements from the head civil servant that was removed from her post for speaking out, reports from a number of respected publications such as Reuters and Bloomberg

And we know for a fact that there are millions of tonnes of rice unaccounted for - statments from the government about a missing 2 million tonnes

And we know for a fact that the farmers have seen the smallest fraction of the funds - Bangkok Post, The Nation etc.

And we know for a fact that rice has been imported from neighbouring countries to be sold into the scheme - see the BBC report on imports from Myanmar

So before you unleash all your usual "elitist" "coup" nonsense, consider the facts that are in the public domain

" I have requested anti-government people to post how many billions were lost, and from when in the government budget it was lost from." Do you not see that despite any rice sales, the BAAC is 500 billion in debt? Farmers are owed an additional 130 billion baht and the government declared stock piles of 12 million tonnes is worth a market price of 132 billion?

"I know as a fact the NACC has only charged Yingluck with, "Negligence in preforming her job" I think you will find that she has been charged with dereliction of duty and malfeasance

"We know for a fact..."

Facts self-servingly stated by the Opposition may be facts....so expose them in Parliament, subject to counter arguments and electoral review. If they are all as egregious as they claim, voters have a way of rendering judgment in subsequent elections...Or at least that is the way it works in mature Electoral Democracies.

Same as the Post-2006 coup demonization of Thaksin by the coupists attempting to justify themselves, didn't fly...the voters knew the score and knew the source. They rendered judgment on all of that, and voted accordingly.

No amount of denigration of voters by unelectables is applicable. No political system is perfect, and neither is Thailand.

Unless one shows a better way to select majorities to govern the country, those are the rules which applies in an imperfect Electoral Democracy such as Thailand....The coup-mongering anti-Democracy, minority rule stuff does not.

Maybe you weren't here at the time.....

The Dems DID present this to the house during a censure debate - that is why we are here

Why on earth do you persist with your "coup" "coup" "elitist" "elitist" nonsense when it's not part of the debate?

What the hell does "No amount of denigration of voters by unelectables is applicable." mean?

[simon43]

From the many (MANY) posts in this forum, it is very clear that a large number of active ThaiVisa members are polarised against each other, either supporting one side or the other side, and abusively denouncing the opposition or deriding their supporters.

What ThaiVisa members think means absolutely nothing to Thailand - these members are keyboard warriors, nothing more.

What is a far more serious issue is that the people of Thailand are polarised, with large numbers of supporters on each side, and many holding extremist views.

Pouring scorn on Thai citizens who oppose your point of view will not help the country to recover from the current situation.

Until both sides pull away from the extremism, the violence, the insults, the derision, the name-calling, there will be no solution to the problem.

Simon

[PREM-R]

Well that confirms that the reds are planning to split Thailand into the northern Republic of Shin, where "corruption is normal"(long termers will remember the champion of democracy that said that infamous quote), the people will be promised everything while being robbed of their hope, future and dignity. Good luck to them up there, they will get exactly what they want and deserve.

Meanwhile the rest of the nation can continue in an improving democracy, complete with strengthened checks and balances, functioning police force, education improvements. The vital lesson that must be learned for the nation south of the Republic of Shin is that a cult of personality such as the one that the Shins created must never be allowed again. Had Thaksin's first election win been nullified due to his lying and blatant asset concealment(which showed he was 100% unsuitable to be PM in a functioning democracy) none of this mess would have happened. Checks and balances, checks and balances........

" Well that confirms that the reds are planning to split Thailand into the northern Republic of Shin, where "corruption is normal"(long termers will remember the champion of democracy that said that infamous quote), the people will be promised everything while being robbed of their hope, future and dignity. Good luck to them up there, they will get exactly what they want and deserve." If the scenario you paint is correct the people 'up there' will have the option to vote out their leaders in an election every 4 years, unlike 'you down there' who will have 'good people' running your 'country' with no limit to the time they can rule because you will have no recourse to elections unless 'the good people' are prepared to sanction them.

"Meanwhile the rest of the nation can continue in an improving democracy, complete with strengthened checks and balances, functioning police force, education improvements. The vital lesson that must be learned for the nation south of the Republic of Shin is that a cult of personality such as the one that the Shins created must never be allowed again. Had Thaksin's first election win been nullified due to his lying and blatant asset concealment(which showed he was 100% unsuitable to be PM in a functioning democracy) none of this mess would have happened. Checks and balances, checks and balances........" With your democracy improved by not having elections but having unelected 'good people' deciding what is good for you. The vital lesson that must be learned for the nation south of the Republic of Shin is that democracy, even if it is a flawed democracy, has to be a better option than an unelected council, who, despite Suthep saying 1 to 1.5 years, would have no 'set in stone' term of office. If they decide to stay in power, who will be able to remove them? Certainly not the 'educated middle-class Bangkokians' as they will have given away their right to vote, so who will provide the checks and balances on these 'good people'?

[ginjag]

From the many (MANY) posts in this forum, it is very clear that a large number of active ThaiVisa members are polarised against each other, either supporting one side or the other side, and abusively denouncing the opposition or deriding their supporters.

What ThaiVisa members think means absolutely nothing to Thailand - these members are keyboard warriors, nothing more.

What is a far more serious issue is that the people of Thailand are polarised, with large numbers of supporters on each side, and many holding extremist views.

Pouring scorn on Thai citizens who oppose your point of view will not help the country to recover from the current situation.

Until both sides pull away from the extremism, the violence, the insults, the derision, the name-calling, there will be no solution to the problem.

Simon

ANY government no matter what colour with these serious charges against the have to go. no matter what colour you prefer.

Any posters condoning the said government should have to think again about your morals.

There would be little extremism if the said government were governing cleanly and with the country at heart. You cannot EVER have a family dominate Thailand led by a convicted EX PM from Abroad. This is why there is so much anger.

As said before Mugabi has been there in Zimbabwe for decades and the country is a complete shambles -corruption is rife- but he gets elected ???? elections are not the answer sometimes--is Magabi democratic if he still wins elections. ??

At times you have to tear up the record books, cleanse the bloodsuckers, REFORM and then strict elections with heavy prison sentences for offenders.

[djjamie]

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Kikoman, do you dare to come out and openly say on TV that you think the rice scheme is a succesful, corruption free program that helps the farmers as well as the country?

Kikoman may reply in due course, but let me also retort, if you don't mind.

Agricultural price support programs are never intended to be profit-oriented. They are Policy oriented programs focusing on specific agricultural sectors....This is for the purposes of helping farmers as well as the country.....I am sure the PAD-dem's appreciated similar efforts in the past dealing, with rubber. I understand at one point in a a pre-Thaksin Govt., the govt. of the day dictated that Rubber could only be farmed in the South.

The principle concern by farmers about this rice thing, was the financial impediments the Elitists threw up to prevent making payments as scheduled...All for political purposes, belying their sudden conversion to huge political concerns for this agricultural sector and these constituents, and to foster their coupist intentions.

With respect to the self-serving, oft-charged corruption thing the Opposition tries to lay exclusively at the feet of the elected Govt., an analysis involving all elements would be in order, including the PAD-Dem Bureaucracy constituency.

And if such humongous levels of corruption be discovered and responsibilities assigned, a thorough vetting in Parliament may be called for.

Thereafter the voters would act accordingly......An expression of which is currently being impeded by the Opposition for reasons we can all speculate about....In fact, the electorate is in the process of voting their views, including this rice thing....One cannot complain that the electorate was not informed before they voted, considering the noise made by the Opposition.

Finish the election and tabulate the votes.

How on earth I continue to get posts from this poster when I blocked him is beyond me. Going by his rationale though being unable to block someone must be an agenda driven situation that will require the UDD to squash the perpetrator it at its core.

Before I ensure a "blocking" of the rhetoric is finalized I would like to reply:

This is complete Pseudo-intellectual bull.

Use lots of big or unusual words to tell your lies with stilted, complicated, incomprehensible sentences that sound very educated. This is similar to "Vague, Grandiose Language" and "Double-talk", but this one has a flavor all its own. It is particularly prevalent around universities, and is a favorite tool of intellectual wanna-bees.

This example of pseudo-intellectual bull is Dr Carl Jung, telling us how to get a spiritual experience:

The only right and legitimate way to such an experience is that it happens to you in reality and it can only happen to you when you walk on a path which leads you to higher understanding. You might be led to that goal by an act of grace or through a personal and honest contact with friends, or through a higher education of the mind beyond the confines of mere rationalism.

Try to figure out, from reading that, just what you are really supposed to do to get yourself a spiritual experience?

Now we get back to the posters post;

I cannot fathom what he is really trying to say, but I will try to dissected it down to the "nuts and bolts" so one could interpret it as;

This scheme is a complete failure so we will highlight that it is an agricultural support programs so it makes it an acceptable failure. Then, yada, yada, yada, yada Then blame the opposition because the govt lied twice 2 months before and 1 month before they dissolved parliament saying they had the money in budget and then they refused to get a loan when they knew they didn't have the money before dissolving, yada, yada, yada, yada then after huge corruption was found a "vote of no confidence" was vetted in parliament and where under the dictatorial framework of parliament (as shown with the amnesty who voted against the voice of the majority) voted that there was no corruption and yingluck could stay, then yada, yada, yada, yada, lets concentrate on that only principle of democracy the PTP adhere.

I appreciate anyone that can tell me how to block specific posters? More so for my sanity than anything else!!!