Suthep blasts Chalerm's remark of secession just a political rhetoric

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Suthep blasts Chalerm's remark of secession just a political rhetoric



BANGKOK: -- People’s Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC) leader Suthep Thaugsuban strongly blasted special security center’s head Chalerm Yoobamrung for saying that a statement by key red-shirt leaders’ to secede the country as just a political rhetoric.

Suthep said declaration made on the red-shirt rally stage in Nakhon Ratchasima province last Sunday to secede the country and establish “Isan Lanna” (Northeast-North) state is a serious threat to national security and blatantly violates Article 1 of the Constitution which states that Thailand is a single and united state that cannot be divided.

Violation of this article is subject to death penalty, he said.

He said such serious declaration of the secession of the country was made in front of ruling Phey Thai party leader Charupong Ruangsuwan, also caretaker interior minister, and other key leaders of the red-shirt who included Nattawut Saikur and Jatuporn Prompan.

He said Chalerm, as the head of the Centre for Maintaining Peace and Order (CMPO) defended such declaration was just a “political rhetoric” which showed the poor mentality of a person in high position.

Suthep then called on the Army chief Gen Prayuth Chan-ocha to act now as it was clear that the supporters of the Thaksin regime had intention to secede the country which now is a threat to national security.

As national security is the duty of the Armed Forces to act, it was then justified by the Army to do something to stop these people who he now called “rebels”.

Yesterday a huge cloth poster with a word of secession was found tying to bridge in Phitsanulok. Villagers alerted the police and angrily tear it up with shouts that they would not tolerate any attempt to divide the country.

The poster was later removed by the police and investigation was ordered to find out the people responsible for putting up the poster.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/suthep-blasts-chalerms-remark-secession-just-political-rhetoric/


-- Thai PBS 2014-02-27

[Snig27]

Nice pic of the Brownshirts on the stage - it says so much.

If Suthep had more than a few brain pixels to rub together (but of course, as little more than the tool of his masters, he doesn't require those) he'd be able to grasp the hypocrisy in his words.

And that's yet another person he's threatened to have killed. That's quite a list he's lined up for eradication over the past few months.

Edited February 27, 2014 by Snig27

[Costas2008]

First, the reds, celebrate the deaths of the children in Trat, then they want to divide Thailand in two parts.

The so called caretaker PM is in Chiang Mai, the new capital of Thaksinland, only concerned about drug and irrigation problems, while the country is falling apart.

Please, tell me, these are not serious people with any kind of human compassion or any intelligence.

Are these the people eligible to vote for the future of this country?

Edited February 27, 2014 by Costas2008

[TVGerry]

If the protestors said that, the government would call them traitors. But it's okay if red shirts say it, especially since the drunkard says so.

[siampolee]

Interesting to see that it might well be the aim of certain more rabid radical sectors of the Thai political scene to push the idea of secession. One is led to wonder just what the motives were or were and who might be the person or persons behind the statement.

It to my mind and doubtless many others minds too certainly casts a shadow on Thaksin Shinwatra and his claims to ''love Thailand and its peoples'' from the highest level of society to those persons at the lowest level of society.

Observing the role call of those present at that meeting we can plainly see that there would seem to be a hard core of characters intent on destroying the social fabric of Thailand for their and their leaders aims.

Chalerms comments are what one would expect from someone whose mental faculties are impaired by his ''ear medication'' and its adverse effects upon him, thus I suppose an excuse for his ramblings is permissible.

However what is indeed a telling and indeed a worrying point is that none of those Red Shirt leaders who were in attendance at that rally have as yet come forward and denied or even repudiated that secession statement.

One wonders why that should be so.

Thaksin Shinwtara has unleashed a genie that is going to consume his plans it would seem. perhaps those leader's should be a little more cautious after making such statements and then venturing forth as they might find someone out there with bang bang toys courtesy of their puppet master.

Slowly but surely these Red Shirt Shinwatra supporters are putting the noose around their own necks and the neck of the Shinwatra clan too.

[Katipo]

Chalerm has to be an undercover PDRC agent. Seriously, every time he opens his mouth he helps the opposition.

[JRSoul]

Nice pic of the Brownshirts on the stage - it says so much.

If Suthep had more than a few brain pixels to rub together (but of course, as little more than the tool of his masters, he doesn't require those) he'd be able to grasp the hypocrisy in his words.

And that's yet another person he's threatened to have killed. That's quite a list he's lined up for eradication over the past few months.

Pointing out that advocating secession is a serious crime which could result in a death penalty is NOT threatening to have someone killed.

It is simply pointing out the idiocy of making such a statement, much as I am doing now.

[SamMunich]

Snig27:

Nice pic of the Brownshirts on the stage - it says so much.

If Suthep had more than a few brain pixels to rub together (but of course, as little more than the tool of his masters, he doesn't require those) he'd be able to grasp the hypocrisy in his words.

And that's yet another person he's threatened to have killed. That's quite a list he's lined up for eradication over the past few months.

If you are color-blind, then don't show off with it. It ain't sexy.

And ranting about brain pixels ain't sexy either. There are none. They are called brain cells...

Turn on brain first, then open the mouth...

[kurtgruen]

Thaskin's henchmen (UDD), sure have a way to stick both feet in their mouths. If they weren't so dangerous and brutal, this would be hilarious.

[Robby nz]

Although Suthep has done a good job so far he is getting a bit carried away now and it is the first time I have seen it reported that he has actually said he thinks the army should step in, something that Thaksin has been pushing for.

The reds are getting out of order in a big way also and having PT ex MP's and list MP's up there on the stage would clearly link PT to whatever is said and could be taken as PT unofficial, up to now unannounced, policy.

Interesting that the villagers were peed off with the sign and tore it down, red support looks like it is not all they crack it up to be.

[virtualtraveller]

Thaksin needs succession like a hole in the head. He would end up with the poorer half. It's not to be encouraged, but yes it's just rhetoric from dumb people who fail to understand macro economics. Someone has to pay tax in this country, and it's the other half that you want to succeed from.

[SamMunich]

Secession is just another of those weird ideas of the some red shirts, like Dab Daeng's joy over killed Thais at the same occasion.

Seriously, if anybody would propose that for real, he/she might get lynch'd by the vast majority of all Thais.

Beside that it would be pretty stupid, because a lot of upcountry money would be gone without the industry around Bangkok and Central Thailand. Where are most of the Isarn workers employed? Who will then send home money?

So there is no point of getting excited, it's only unseful to counter the Red Shirts in an discussion... like here on TV.

[ratcatcher]

Although Suthep has done a good job so far he is getting a bit carried away now and it is the first time I have seen it reported that he has actually said he thinks the army should step in, something that Thaksin has been pushing for.

The reds are getting out of order in a big way also and having PT ex MP's and list MP's up there on the stage would clearly link PT to whatever is said and could be taken as PT unofficial, up to now unannounced, policy.

Interesting that the villagers were peed off with the sign and tore it down, red support looks like it is not all they crack it up to be.

Interesting that the villagers were peed off with the sign and tore it down, red support looks like it is not all they crack it up to be.

Phitsanulok province as well as Phichit province are not PTP/Red Shirt strongholds. They are also home to many disenfranchised rice farmers who have yet to be paid..

[EyesWideOpen]

Wow so glad I am in Pattaya, as I would have little desire to live in Thaksinland.

I wonder what all the upcountry farangs are thinking right now.....

[15Peter20]

Who's that lighter skinned guy on the right with the spectacles? Every time I see a picture of Suthep that guy is somewhere in the background.

[jonclark]

All I can say is good on the villagers of Pitsanulok.

No doubt they'll be painted as elites now.

[djjamie]

Nice pic of the Brownshirts on the stage - it says so much.

If Suthep had more than a few brain pixels to rub together (but of course, as little more than the tool of his masters, he doesn't require those) he'd be able to grasp the hypocrisy in his words.

And that's yet another person he's threatened to have killed. That's quite a list he's lined up for eradication over the past few months.

"Violation of this article is subject to death penalty, he said "is translated by you to " he threatened to kill someone"?

So going by your rhetoric the majority (not a 43% majority) of the Republicans in America are threatening death when they say "Violation of this article is subject to death penalty"

Or were you taking what he said out of context to try to legitimize your agenda driven rhetoric?

And we are supposed to take you guys seriously when you say there is no corruption in the rice scheme!!!!

Edited February 27, 2014 by djjamie

[ratcatcher]

Who's that lighter skinned guy on the right with the spectacles? Every time I see a picture of Suthep that guy is somewhere in the background.

That "whitey" you refer to is Aekanat Promphan, a relation of Suthep and his no 2 sidekick. The smaller guy in front is Sathit Wongnongtoey another PDRC leader.

[Scamper]

" Suthep then called on the Army chief Gen Prayuth Chan-ocha to act now as it was clear that the supporters of the Thaksin regime had intention to secede the country which now is a threat to national security. "

Indeed, these statements from the UDD of secession are a great threat to the country. There is only one side of this conflict that is calling for the separation of one part of the country from another. There is only one side of this conflict that is calling for the elimination of the independent agencies. There is only one side in this conflict that is calling for the neutering of the courts. There is only one side calling for their supporters to be ready for combat.

It is the UDD. And the presence of the interior minister at the UDD rally, as well as Nuttawut, who is a cabinet minister - gives the stamp of administrative approval.

If the UDD follows through on their threat to prevent the NACC from functioning today, it will mark the first time the constitutional process has been successfully impeded or blocked. A dangerous and unprecedented line will have been crossed, and the checks and balances empowered in the constitution will begin to be directly threatened. The army is sworn to protect the constitution and the constitutional process. Suthep is right. Chalerm's statement yet again nakedly exposes his allegiances. Yingluck has now literally turned her back on the constitutional process. She has now set herself above the law.

Edited February 27, 2014 by Scamper

[chainarong]

Chalerm is in a state of delusional denial to think that would be a big draw card to survival , any idiot knows that firstly it is a land locked province the rest is history , stupid idiot , mouthing off at the fairies again.

[chainarong]

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Although Suthep has done a good job so far he is getting a bit carried away now and it is the first time I have seen it reported that he has actually said he thinks the army should step in, something that Thaksin has been pushing for.

The reds are getting out of order in a big way also and having PT ex MP's and list MP's up there on the stage would clearly link PT to whatever is said and could be taken as PT unofficial, up to now unannounced, policy.

Interesting that the villagers were peed off with the sign and tore it down, red support looks like it is not all they crack it up to be.

Interesting that the villagers were peed off with the sign and tore it down, red support looks like it is not all they crack it up to be.

Phitsanulok province as well as Phichit province are not PTP/Red Shirt strongholds. They are also home to many disenfranchised rice farmers who have yet to be paid..

Red support at Phitsanulok is very low , so low that in 2010 they had a protest march and six turned up and were told to get out of town.

[seajae]

All I can say is good on the villagers of Pitsanulok.

No doubt they'll be painted as elites now.

more like fake villagers, the reds cant stand little people that dont do as they are told.

[EyesWideOpen]

I have said this before. I think this is a continuation of a tactic by the Yingluck government to

force the military to step in and have a coup. Now in the aftermath, the Yingluck/Thaksin team

can say the farmers are not being paid by the new government. The military blunders around

for 6 months, and then elections are held. The new Thaksin clone ( most likely not Yingluck

as she is tainted goods) makes a lot of bullshit promises, the money is handed out for vote

buying, and then Thaksin takes power again through the new clone. Sort of sickening to watch.

Will Thailand ever have a real leader who is not intent on lining their pockets ??? Sigh......

Edited February 27, 2014 by EyesWideOpen

[rreddin]

Nice pic of the Brownshirts on the stage - it says so much.

If Suthep had more than a few brain pixels to rub together (but of course, as little more than the tool of his masters, he doesn't require those) he'd be able to grasp the hypocrisy in his words.

And that's yet another person he's threatened to have killed. That's quite a list he's lined up for eradication over the past few months.

Pointing out that advocating secession is a serious crime which could result in a death penalty is NOT threatening to have someone killed.

It is simply pointing out the idiocy of making such a statement, much as I am doing now.

Dear old black shirt Suthep is spouting about the constitution he is cleary trying to overturn. How ironic is that? Secession is not on the cards because there is not yet any popular support for it, but autonomy within a federal system is an option that does have a degree of popular support.

[ggold]

Nice pic of the Brownshirts on the stage - it says so much.

If Suthep had more than a few brain pixels to rub together (but of course, as little more than the tool of his masters, he doesn't require those) he'd be able to grasp the hypocrisy in his words.

And that's yet another person he's threatened to have killed. That's quite a list he's lined up for eradication over the past few months.

Pointing out that advocating secession is a serious crime which could result in a death penalty is NOT threatening to have someone killed.

It is simply pointing out the idiocy of making such a statement, much as I am doing now.

Please please don't feed the troll!

[Thait Spot]

Although Suthep has done a good job so far he is getting a bit carried away now and it is the first time I have seen it reported that he has actually said he thinks the army should step in, something that Thaksin has been pushing for.

The reds are getting out of order in a big way also and having PT ex MP's and list MP's up there on the stage would clearly link PT to whatever is said and could be taken as PT unofficial, up to now unannounced, policy.

Interesting that the villagers were peed off with the sign and tore it down, red support looks like it is not all they crack it up to be.

Interesting that the villagers were peed off with the sign and tore it down, red support looks like it is not all they crack it up to be.

Phitsanulok province as well as Phichit province are not PTP/Red Shirt strongholds. They are also home to many disenfranchised rice farmers who have yet to be paid..

Phitsanulok isn't a PTP province as far as I'm aware?

I think they have seen the light and successfully fended off becoming part of the dark side - and I'm pretty sure that their locals wouldn't wish to be part of Chalerm's Isaan-Lanna state along with those provinces along the west and lower north east

[mrtoad]

Chalerm, where are you?

[Bangmod]

Waiting to see if the NSC and the DSI have the guts to take steps against these PT and UDD leaders who made those punishable remarks.

I bet nothing will happen, until the Army is going to step up.

[Fat Haggis]

Would this be the very same constitution that states that a Caretaker PM cannot step down until a point where there are enough representatives to convene a new Governemnt?

I think some posters are getting confused, the Army stepping in, when it's quite apparent they're siding with Suthep, and not the Shins, isn't something Thakisn would want would it? Unless it was an excuse to start an escalation of violence, only Suthep and Co want an "unelected peoples party" to take power and begin reformation. There's Millions of Thais outside of Bangkok who have a right to disagree with that.

Hold a referendum in the coming weeks, see what the country want, not what Bangkok wants, and IF the majority agree to a peoples council, go for it!!

[thaivapor]

Although Suthep has done a good job so far he is getting a bit carried away now and it is the first time I have seen it reported that he has actually said he thinks the army should step in, something that Thaksin has been pushing for.

The reds are getting out of order in a big way also and having PT ex MP's and list MP's up there on the stage would clearly link PT to whatever is said and could be taken as PT unofficial, up to now unannounced, policy.

Interesting that the villagers were peed off with the sign and tore it down, red support looks like it is not all they crack it up to be.

I think that Suthep was actually intimating that the army should be springing into action against any threat of a secession being that it is probably one the worst development that could befall Thailand.

All the other things that are capable of bringing down this government are already in motion but may take a little time to come to fruition.

Suthep knows that a coup is not in the best interests of the people, and certainly not in the PDRC's interests as it would seriously hamper everything they have been rallying for over the past 4 months. They would end up with a seriously diluted outcome, and the real solution lies in the government either running out of time, or being forcibly removed by the courts on a panorama of charges of which Yingluck and the PTP have willingly walked into of their own accord citing their supposed status of being indestructible by the law.

So I doubt very much that he is wanting the coup so many people claim he is waiting for. But in fact is calling for the army not to dither if this is the aim of some factions and we all know that Thaksin, the UDD and Red Shirts all want secession to come up with their very own 'people's republic' with Thaksin as president.

Remeber that Thaksin can come back if they partition it off and the north technically becomes independent of the kingdom of Thailand.

You can not drag your feet and hope that this secession won't happen, while at the same time many arms are being built up and battle plans are being drawn up and the people in the north are being primed for it.

At the first hint of something like that, the army needs to seriously act, and that may have to start with the capture of all those leaders, and holding them indefinitely and trying them for grand treason. You have to cut the head off the snake as soon as you can.

The first the army should go after is

Thida,

Jatuporn

Nattawut

Charupong

and probably Chalerm.

Then go after the individual leaders and round the lot of them up.

These people are the biggest danger to Thailand's peace.