Bomb found near redshirt rally site in Nonthaburi

[pee paub]

Bangkok has now become more dangerous than Kabul.

and where may i ask is the armchair this assumption was born located?

Shash Dharak.

[Fat Haggis]

I did two tours of Northern Ireland and my own experience was that the IRA were not averse to giving a warning that supplied the wrong location so that people were evacuated to the vicinity of the actual bomb. IRA EDs were usually constructed using sophisticated anti tamper fuses, whereas those used here are usually relatively crude devices by comparison.

Same Same 2 tours as well, there were never warnings sent to the Mil.

[Fat Haggis]

Blast radius of 200 metres according to thaksins army? That's a pretty big bomb. Any photo of this bomb? Any idea what chemicals where used to make it? Or are we relying on unsubstantiated claims from thaksins army? The photo of 3 men kneeling down in front of something is really swell though, but none of the bomb? The fire extinguisher is a great photos too, but no huge bomb. thaksins army should have gone for full effect and said a blast radius of 600 metres and it was a dirty bomb that released devil birds that only attack red shirts. Too unbelievable? Well they would have us believe the rice scheme is not corrupt. I believe in devil birds before I believe in an uncorrupt rice scheme.

I don't doubt it was planted by the PDRC though because the PDRC don't like the red shirts. It is COMMON SENSE that dictates that the PDRC would like to blow up the terrorist wing of the PTP. I am not an idiot that thinks they will plant a bomb to blow themselves up, but 200 metres?

WOW.

I take it you know quite a lot about explosives then Jamie? One Kg of well placed C4/Semtex will destroy a car and throw shrapnel over a considerable distance in open spaces.

A hand grenade containing less than 1lb of RDX/TNT on hard ground can have a blast radis of 20M easy.

A fire extinguisher filled with the right expolsive materials mixed in with some nuts and bolts could very easily have a blast radius of 200M's or even more.

[Fat Haggis]

Blast radius of 200 metres according to thaksins army? That's a pretty big bomb. Any photo of this bomb? Any idea what chemicals where used to make it?

Yes, photo insert in post #1, a fire extinguisher, the red thing.

EOD team later arrived at the scene and determined that the device was composed of fertiliser mixed with gasoline, chains, shards of glass, and a number of "C4 explosives" filled inside a fire extinguisher

'a number of "C4 explosives"'??? Sticks? C4 is like Plasticine, I do not think it comes in sticks.

That would make a big bang with a lot of shrapnel, no mention of the detonator or triggering device?

One thing for sure, there are some very nasty people around.

C4 comes in slabs, I guess their "sticks" is lost in translation same as calling hand grenades "bombs"

[Basil B]

Blast radius of 200 metres according to thaksins army? That's a pretty big bomb. Any photo of this bomb? Any idea what chemicals where used to make it?

Yes, photo insert in post #1, a fire extinguisher, the red thing.

EOD team later arrived at the scene and determined that the device was composed of fertiliser mixed with gasoline, chains, shards of glass, and a number of "C4 explosives" filled inside a fire extinguisher

'a number of "C4 explosives"'??? Sticks? C4 is like Plasticine, I do not think it comes in sticks.

That would make a big bang with a lot of shrapnel, no mention of the detonator or triggering device?

One thing for sure, there are some very nasty people around.

C4 comes in slabs, I guess their "sticks" is lost in translation same as calling hand grenades "bombs"

Yes, slabs would be more appropriate...

I was trying to find out what the normal package would be, I assume at least 1Kg. they could have stuck the stuff straight inside the vessel (extinguisher), but I assume they molded a few balls of it around the detonator and cord as the primary charge hence the statement ' number of "C4 explosives" '.

[Fat Haggis]

The slabs you see in my pic are initiated by use of command wire, these were used to detonate UXO on one of the contracts I worked on in Iraq. C4 is pretty safe you can throw it onto a fire, it will not explode, I'm sure I read somewhere that during the Vietnam war grunts were burning it to generate heat.

I have a feeling that they were indeed 1KG slabs, they have a sticky backed side on them, C4 isn't as palleable as PE4 the Brit Mil equivalent, that's more softer and easier to mould, C4 is quite rigid in it's composition

The detonater itself can be pressed into the C4, and then you run the initiator, such as command wire, burning fuse, or remote receiver, in many cases in Iraq anything from a key fob to a cell phone (most common) to passive Infra red is used to detonate the device itself.. unfortunately been on the receiving end of quite a few, hence why I know that 200M blast radius is easy to achieve.

[HKChris]

You're all missing the 'elephant in the room' here. The reference in the OP to the similarity this bomb had to those 'discovered' down south.... in my view it is more than likely this device was planted by insurgents to create further panic and chaos. Every side blaming each other.... the army completely ineffective.... exactly the environment a muslim insurgency thrives on. Just reading the posts on this thread, and others today, indicates they're succeeding in creating chaos....while everyone is arguing amongst themselves, they're busily ensuring that Thailand does descend into a completely failed state - exactly what they're waiting for and you're helping them do it!

[gabruce]

Whatever was the motive of the perpetrators, it was wrong for Mr. Sansern Ponjiad, the secretary-general of the NACC, to immediately points a finger that the bomb was intended to intimidate the anti-corruption commissioners citing unknown assailants have previously planted explosives by the wall of the NACC office.

His remarks that "This kind of intimidation is illegal," was of course correct but had sparked accusation that NACC is not independence even in this situation. His accusation was that of intimidation against NACC commissioners not the protesters.

I agree. He should have said that having previous bombs planted near their office wall rules out the possibility that this was another intimidation attempt. It's obviously a show of support for the NACC.

[HUAHIN62]

Whatever was the motive of the perpetrators, it was wrong for Mr. Sansern Ponjiad, the secretary-general of the NACC, to immediately points a finger that the bomb was intended to intimidate the anti-corruption commissioners citing unknown assailants have previously planted explosives by the wall of the NACC office.

His remarks that "This kind of intimidation is illegal," was of course correct but had sparked accusation that NACC is not independence even in this situation. His accusation was that of intimidation against NACC commissioners not the protesters.

Well, previously planted explosives were probably not meant to show great appreciation of the fine work the NACC is doing. So, this one might very well be in the same order of intimidation.

BTW you forgot to condemn the remark by a police officer who said "Similar types of the devices are commonly found in the restive southern border provinces, an officer added." with the police speculating the bomb was meant for the red-shirts.

Guess where most of the PDRC "guards" come from ?

[rubl]

Whatever was the motive of the perpetrators, it was wrong for Mr. Sansern Ponjiad, the secretary-general of the NACC, to immediately points a finger that the bomb was intended to intimidate the anti-corruption commissioners citing unknown assailants have previously planted explosives by the wall of the NACC office.

His remarks that "This kind of intimidation is illegal," was of course correct but had sparked accusation that NACC is not independence even in this situation. His accusation was that of intimidation against NACC commissioners not the protesters.

Well, previously planted explosives were probably not meant to show great appreciation of the fine work the NACC is doing. So, this one might very well be in the same order of intimidation.

BTW you forgot to condemn the remark by a police officer who said "Similar types of the devices are commonly found in the restive southern border provinces, an officer added." with the police speculating the bomb was meant for the red-shirts.

Guess where most of the PDRC "guards" come from ?

That still doesn't explain why i of the community condemns the 'speculation' from the SecGen of the NACC, but has no problem with the speculation of the police.

[soalbundy]

If that bomb had gone off in a crowd it would have been the coup maker. Think, who could want that ? I honestly don't know but someone wants it.

[lostmebike]

As some posters and the Mrs are saying, probably planted it there themselves.

[Halion]

Does not make much sense when you read the posted composition of the contents of this bomb. There would be little justification in using fertilizer/fuel oil in combination with C4 which is a military grade explosive and not so readily available. C4 is also traceable, or should be !

The detonation velocity of C4 is far higher than any explosive mixtures made from fertilizer. C4 is a highly stable explosive compound and it requires significant energy normally provided by a detonator to explode. The only purpose I see in this mixture is either they did not have a detonator system and they were relying on the detonation of the Fert/Fuel mixture to sympathetically detonate the C4 or they are simply stupid. As a bomb there is no doubt that it would be potentially lethal within its blast radius, which would be dependent on the amount of C4 explosive found, which they inadvertently forgot to mention but it is really a Heath Robinson set up and as sophisticated as Sukhumvit Road. Either the press release people are as dumb as a bag of bricks or the wana-be terrorist need to go back to school, preferably in another country as owing to the implied savvy of our home grown specialists there is little to learn here

[JRSoul]

Whatever was the motive of the perpetrators, it was wrong for Mr. Sansern Ponjiad, the secretary-general of the NACC, to immediately points a finger that the bomb was intended to intimidate the anti-corruption commissioners citing unknown assailants have previously planted explosives by the wall of the NACC office.

His remarks that "This kind of intimidation is illegal," was of course correct but had sparked accusation that NACC is not independence even in this situation. His accusation was that of intimidation against NACC commissioners not the protesters.

Actually, he didn't point a finger at anyone, he simply stated what he believed. It is up to the reader to make the assumption as to who could wish to intimidate the NACC, and it seems you reached the same conclusion as me, probably using the same logic. Of course that assumption is influenced, if not predicated, by the violence inflicted by the same party on any number of Thaksin critics.

The constant denial of the evidence must be difficult for you.

[falangadang]

""This kind of intimidation is illegal," Mr. Sansern complained, "Please put an end to such action"."

Oh please,.... be nice and just stop all this nasty fighting and go home!

Seriously,... as if the perpetrators are going to pay any attention to what is or isn't lawful!

[Trouble]

This was put there by the reds own people.

Another mindless post. Of course you have proof of this, right? When bombs are planted against the Suthep groups it is the Red Shirts. When bombs are planted against the Red Shirts it is also the Red Shirts.

Edited February 28, 2014 by Trouble