Advocates of separatism warned by army chief

[tomacht8]

Could someone please tell me the difference between clear acts of sedition by the PDRC and acts advocating secession by some of the UDD? Aren't they both equally treasonous and unconstitutional? Except, of course, when seen through the glasses of the self-righteous!

Sedition: conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.

Can someone please tell me how Suthep's supposed sedition is different from that in 2010 ? Easy to make a question seem like things are identical - in my case they are, both people's are/were actively seeking the over throwing/removal of a legally sitting government - and hence, by definition, sedition. Both actually fall under the definition of treason too - the crime of betraying one's country, esp. by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government. Both were attempting to overthrow the sitting Government without using the proper political process.

Making call for secession, and especially for a republic, is likewise treasonous - however, it is somewhat more dangerous than a load of nutters in Bangkok (both now and in 2010) that will eventually subside. It is permanent and very damaging - it is also a direct insult to certain parties that we can not speak of here, a thing not taken lightly here as you know.

Agree in general.

To protest against a government that tries to exhibit for them self a Blank Check (in the dark of night around 4 am), to be unpunished all crimes of the past 10 years, is right against wrong.

Nobody has the right to rise above the law, even politicians not.

But to try to separate a country geographically, to build up an own state and to set up its own army is yet another caliber.

The law says for separatism lifelong prison or the death penalty.

For rebellion 3-15 years in prison

Edited March 2, 2014 by tomacht8

[geriatrickid]

Acting to overthrowing an elected government is tolerable but we certainly can't have any talk of secession can we?

That depends on whether the government in question is acting within the bounds of the law and constitution, PTP were not

In any western country such a government would have stepped down in shame and faced the courts without any demonstrations by the people to remove them, which is exactly what is wrong here, PTP have blarged on regardless through a cloud of more lies denial and deceit, I think all will be exposed soon though

They also have the red organisation who's leaders are paid huge sums of money to brainwash those that are easily lead and convinced they have purpose - it's amazing how many times this type of deception is enacted throughout the world - Thailand is a bad one were the government is also involved with funding scams and populous policies to fool those easily fooled with very little

You have rendered a judicial decision with your statement that the PTP was not acting within the bounds of the law and constitution.

To date, there is no judicial decision that would support your claim. The SOE case was dealt with much as any other government decision that is contested, is dealt with. In any given week in Australia, the USA, Canada, etc. there is a court case that involves "constitutional" rights, as parties will argue the validity of a law. The sitting government, announced an election and said it would go to the people to determine if it still had a mandate. It is up to the electorate to decide if they want the incumbent government to remain.

The "red organization" is the UDD and it is not supported by the PTP. It has its own source of financing and its own political agenda. At this time it supports the PTP. The UDD is an umbrella organization grouping multiple groups. This is a characteristic that many foreigners either do not know or understand. Umbrella groups have factions with some better behaved than others. It is not unique to the UDD. The PDRC is also an umbrella organization. It includes a diverse group of people, some have a legitimate grievance against the government, while others are just nasty violent thugs This is the nature of politics.. The UDD is subject to far more "discussion" and dissension within its organization because of its regional make up.

Suthep is a much better organizer than the UDD leaders. This is due in part to his being a one man show. It is also his weakness. The UDD relies on consensus, so it takes longer to reach a decision and it must always accommodate its member groups. The PDRC is a top down group. If Suthep disappears, the group will fall apart. If a UDD leader disappears, there are others to quickly fill in the gap. The PDRC is also better funded, however, it is also more dependent on its smaller group of funders. The UDD has a diverse group of funders and they are more numerous. Lose a few UDD donors and it has minimal impact. However, if the PDRC loses one or two donors, it is crippled, and this is what has happened. Key donors have stopped funding the PDRC and Suthep had to act accordingly. UDD activities are skewed to lower costs, while the PDRC activities have been expensive events. The UDD has staying power, while the PDRC does not. One is like a fuel efficient Honda Accord, while the other is a gas guzzling Mercedes CLS. The Mercedes is sleeker and faster, but on a highway with no gas stations and a long journey to make, the Honda will go further.

Edited March 2, 2014 by geriatrickid

[AleG]

Reds burn city, reds shooting opposant ,

PT government try to keep power by all means but rice scandal is to more important for say court try only topple an "elected government". They just uphold justice for farmers whose have been spoiled by this government.

what you wand more

Are you sure they burned the city? Because the guy burning Central has the black scarf and insignia of the same people we've seen guarding the PDRC recently!

The incriminating "insignia" is a wristband with the colours of the Thai flag? The Pantip Red Crayon DSI Division strikes again!

[rwdrwdrwd]

Reds burn city, reds shooting opposant ,

PT government try to keep power by all means but rice scandal is to more important for say court try only topple an "elected government". They just uphold justice for farmers whose have been spoiled by this government.

what you wand more

Are you sure they burned the city? Because the guy burning Central has the black scarf and insignia of the same people we've seen guarding the PDRC recently!

The wristband is worn by hundreds of thousands of people and has been for a long time, so I see no relevance there. In terms of the scarf - are you sure that the motif on the black scarf from the 2010 photo is the same as the motif on the more recent photos? If so, what does it say exactly?

To me the motifs all look different, including the photo with two people wearing them in the same photo. As an alternative to the theory of a secretive force with an unfortunate propensity to break cover by wearing an insignia laden bandana when acting as agent-provocateurs, I wonder if if there might be reasons that a black bandana could come in handy in this sort of environment (like hiding your face, or helping to reduce the effects of tear gas) and that in fact bandana-gate might be a bit of a damp squib.

Edited March 2, 2014 by rwdrwdrwd

[than]

Thinking differently is illegal now is it?

Advocating secession is illegal, your thoughts, and everyone else's are safe, don't panic.

Yingluck should disown this groups ASAP, her silence (and the caretaker government's) is extremely troubling; specially in view of at least one of her cabinet memebers being part of this movement.

Being silent is all she can do.

She doesn't have room in her mouth for another foot.

I understand having her speech written for her but what I can't understand is how she can read them with a straight face. Or does she actually believe it. Have they drained the treasury so bad they can not hire decent speech writers?

Why should she say any thing!

Everyone in the country knows what is happening in Bangkok, my understanding there would be no separation, separation would only come into play if the Courts, NACC, staged a judicial Coup, over a charge of "negligence" and have the ammart appointed Senate vote her out of office. Only then a separation would be considered.

Strange all of the sudden protesters supporters start yelling unconstitutional, when Suthep's idiots violated all the acts deemed as terrorist activities, Re: attempts to overthrow the elected government, disrupting the election process, taking over state property among other illegal acts!

If the power that be are unable to make an unbiased decisions based on legal documented Rule of Law, not we saw you cooking on a cooking show on TV last night so you are impeached!

Cheers

First one, YL violated law by do nothing for stop corruption in the rice scheme,

Second, Samak violated the law, a prime minister cannot have another job, He receive money for this cooking show although he was prime minister

This two persons can blame themselves for that happen and not cry about judicial coup.

In democratic country, when you violated law you must to wait for punishment.

[mrmicbkktxl]

Is that the the same army who put Thailand into trouble with a coup in 2006?Same army who does nothing against Suthep but support Suthep?It does not matter who u vote for in Thailand,it's always the army who has the last say,Thaksin had to go when he tried to reform the army

[JRSoul]

Is that the the same army who put Thailand into trouble with a coup in 2006?Same army who does nothing against Suthep but support Suthep?It does not matter who u vote for in Thailand,it's always the army who has the last say,Thaksin had to go when he tried to reform the army

Reform the army; where did you get that misinformation? Thaksin tried to install his own stooges, and failed.

[MaiChai]

This could be the next PR disaster for this government, and we all know how hard it is to keep the red shirt hot heads quiet. The country already has this problem in the south. Demands for this in the northwest could mean trying to split the country into 3 parts.

I believe all people in Chiang Mai are not red shirt nor Taksin supporters. What about the views of these people, or are they too frightened to voice their opinion?

[webfact]

POLITICS

Reds face sedition charge

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Army chief Prayuth says partition talk illegal; PDRC moves to Lumpini Park while reds travel from Udon Thani to other proivnces to organise more rallies

PRO-GOVERNMENT red-shirts in Chiang Mai and Phayao advocating |partition from the rest of the country will be charged with sedition under legal action launched by Army chief General Prayuth Chan-ocha.

Third Army Region commander Lt Gen Preecha Chan-ocha, whose has authority over areas in the North, said yesterday that secessionist and related activities - including preparation for such action - were illegal under Articles 113 and 114 of the Criminal Code.

Preecha said the charges would primarily relate to the activities of the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) leaders in Chiang Mai and Phayao.

The first red-shirt groups to face sedition charges would be Rak Chiang Mai 51 and Red Shirt Phayao.

Similar action would be taken against red-shirt groups in Phitsanulok who erected banners at several locations calling for the partitioning of Thailand and promoting a People's Democratic Republic of Lanna.

Article 113 (3) of the Criminal Code stipulates that partitioning the country, through use of force or announcing plans to do this, is regarded of an act of secession. The crime carries a life term or death sentence.

Article 114 states that the preparation and collection of arms for partition and conspiracy to partition the country can result in a prison term of three to five years. Encouraging people to be involved in secessionist activities, or concealing acts that lead to sedition, is punishable with a three to five-year prison term.

Deputy Army spokesman Colonel Winthai Suvaree said earlier an order to charge the red-shirts was given directly by Prayuth to Preecha, his younger brother.

The news follows activities by red shirts in protest against the anti-government People's Democratic Reform Committee and their promotion of a People's Democratic Republic of Lanna.

The term has been promoted in red-shirt media and widely seen via banners erected in public.

"Security authorities have deemed such a statement illegal, uncreative and unsuitable to the current political circumstances," Winthai said.

Red shirts in Chiang Mai, a stronghold of pro-government groups and the home province of caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra, recently organised a parade in which red and white flags- the colours of the so-called Lanna Republic - were displayed.

Winthai called on people engaged in the promotion of the term to be careful about the legal consequences of their actions, as certain activities associated with calling for the partitioning of the country were serious violations of the law.

"Freedom of expression is a right under the Constitution, but wanting to partition the country is not viable and certainly impossible to be accepted," Winthai said.

Meanwhile, PDRC protesters yesterday left the Pathumwan intersection rally site to protest at Lumpini Park.

PDRC leader Suthep Thaugsuban, together with co-leader and Student and People Network for Thailand's Reform coordinator Uthai Yodmanee, led PDRC supporters in relocating to the park in the city centre. The group marched along Phaya Thai Road to Rama IV Road, where Lumpini Park is located.

Suthep said that coming PDRC campaigns would focus on interrupting businesses owned by or linked to the Shinawatra family.

He reiterated that moving to Lumpini Park was not a retreat, but a re-jig of PDRC strategies.

The park's auditorium would serve as the centre for the protest, with feedback from supporters in and outside Bangkok welcomed.

"The Lumpini rally site operates around the clock and will not stop until victory is achieved," he said to a crowd of supporters.

Bangkok Metropolitan Administration staff have begun cleaning up vacated protest sites.

Protesters camped at Asoke, Silom and Ratchaprasong have also shifted to Lumpini Park.

The move came after Suthep on Friday night announced an end to the "Bangkok Shutdown", which started on January 13 in an attempt to oust the caretaker government to pave the way for political reform.

The old rally stages would be dismantled so that city traffic could return to normal today. However, he said the PDRC would continue their fight against the "Thaksin regime".

One anti-government leader staying put is Buddhist monk Phra Buddha Issara, who is refusing to dismantle the People's Army to Overthrow the Thaksin Regime stage at Phan Fah Lilat Bridge.

Pro-government red shirts gathered in large numbers in Udon Thani yesterday in an event dubbed "Beating War Drum". The gathering is a lead to a planned major protest over the PDRC.

The reds gathering initially on Saturday night, with many UDD leaders speaking on stage to rouse support from rural people who travelled from several northeastern provinces. Many then travelled in a convoy of about 400 cars and 30 buses to Kalasin, Maha Sarakham, and set up a second stage in Khon Kaen.

Launching the convoy from Udon Thani to Kalasin, UDD chairperson Thida Thavornseth said now was the time for democracy lovers to launch an offensive to secure a foothold and reclaim power for the people.

Udon Thani was chosen for the launch because the UDD wanted to give morale support to local leader Kwanchai Praipana, who was shot and wounded.

Another UDD leader, the deputy Commerce Minister Nattawut Saikua, said the onvoy would later travel to the North.

En route to Khon Kaen, the convey was greeted by local residents and later joined by another 100 cars.

UDD leader Yoswarit Chuklom said there would also be Beating War Drum rallies in Lamphun, Lampang and Chiang Mai.

-- The Nation 2014-03-03

[GeorgeO]

If there is one person who needs to be removed completely from attempts to influence the political situation in Thailand, it is this very unpleasant, arrogant man. Exactly who is his boss?

You are talking about Thaksin Shinawatra ... right?

[ppmacready]

Thinking differently is illegal now is it?

Can't we go back to the good old yellow shirt days when I only paid 200 baht a day to have my toilet cleaned?

[virtualtraveller]

Reporting from Chiang Mai, this is a very happening city, probably the second most cosmopolitan provincial town in Thailand, with a 10% growth in local economy, and as per the figures released unofficially by the EC 25% of the voters voted no or boycotted the election. The rural areas may be very red but the city has many opposed to this govt, and they are the ones earning the money. They are unable to speak up for fear of intimidation.

Also, it's one thing to call for the 'overthrow' of the Shinawatras but the PDRC for all their fighting rhetoric do advocate elections and support democracy, they are doing it in without an organised armed militia. The suggestion among some UDD/Reds to raise an army and break away as a separate state is a far more serious action.

[rabas]

While I very much doubt there is much real support for secession, it must be remembered that the genesis of the discussion was the attempt to disenfranchise people through the Suthep movement ( including the well remembered words of the beer heiress).

Suthep is but the latest comment in a discussion started by Mr. Thaksin in his efforts to enrich himself by teaching hatred and division among Thai people, a well worn but most successful political trick. Among Mr. Thakin's more divisive statements was his introduction of organized militancy and killing of fellow citizens when he invited Seh Daeng (MHRIP) to the discussion, something that had never been said in Thailand before. To me, teaching Thai to hate themselves is a crime above a crime against humanity because I dearly love this country and all its people.

Yes, we all know that the discussion came about because of rapid and unbalanced economic development and the selfishness of people who did well. This is no excuse.

Edited March 3, 2014 by rabas

[pookiki]

Suthep charged with sedition, now the reds. Guess nearly everyone in the country should be in jail!

[hansnl]

UDD?

What does that mean?

Union against democracy and for dictatorship?

Nazi-style?

[icommunity]

IMO, the army seems to have two standard of reactions. The army was reported to had filed a complaint with police alleged that "Sor Por Por Lanna" activities were treason in violation of Sections 113 and 114 of the Criminal Code. Whilst, it did not file any complaint with the police when the dem's pdrc/pcad was : inciting people to overthrown the people elected government with the king as the HOS, instigating the army to stage coup (take side), issued terrorist threat to shutdown BKK if the people elected government does not resign, physically invaded and occupied government offices and buildings.

Instead of engaging such distorted information on the activities of "Sor Por Por Lanna" in a peaceful manner through talks to get the background and purpose of their activities, the army choose a confrontational mode. This is worrying especially the people in the North and Northeast are saying that they have been stepping backward many steps and now do not want to be pushed over the cliff.

I hope the move by the army will not further enrage the people and confirmed their belief that the army is also behind and supporting the activities of the dem's pdrc/pcad - the activities engineered to seize power from a people elected government with the king as the HOS and install an unelected government by a selected few.

[DrTuner]

Just Emperor Thaksin building his Lanna Rouge, business as usual.

[Local Drunk]

Reporting from Chiang Mai, this is a very happening city, probably the second most cosmopolitan provincial town in Thailand, with a 10% growth in local economy, and as per the figures released unofficially by the EC 25% of the voters voted no or boycotted the election. The rural areas may be very red but the city has many opposed to this govt, and they are the ones earning the money. They are unable to speak up for fear of intimidation.

Also, it's one thing to call for the 'overthrow' of the Shinawatras but the PDRC for all their fighting rhetoric do advocate elections and support democracy, they are doing it in without an organised armed militia. The suggestion among some UDD/Reds to raise an army and break away as a separate state is a far more serious action.

Here's the problem... If you ask them, be it in Bkk or CM, what kind of government they have and how it works: they can't tell you. Perhaps one in a hundred can tell you how many MPs and Senators there are, and fewer still have a clue as to what a Constitutional Monarchy is. What they know in the provinces is what the village headman tells them and what they know in Bkk is more often than not relegated to personal conceit. That's how they vote and react.

It's really a sad state of affairs.

[stickylies]

Thinking differently is illegal now is it?

it has been as long as i remember on certain topics...

[stickylies]

Here's the problem... If you ask them, be it in Bkk or CM, what kind of government they have and how it works: they can't tell you. Perhaps one in a hundred can tell you how many MPs and Senators there are, and fewer still have a clue as to what a Constitutional Monarchy is. What they know in the provinces is what the village headman tells them and what they know in Bkk is more often than not relegated to personal conceit. That's how they vote and react.

It's really a sad state of affairs.

agreed in full. where i live (yellow to the bone) they all wear "democracy" shirts and stuff. i've asked a few friends what democracy is and they all give the same answer (nothing to do with democracy). of course i don't give a flying xxxx as long as the mango sticky rice continues to be sold for a DEMOCRATIC price.

;-)

[JRSoul]

IMO, the army seems to have two standard of reactions. The army was reported to had filed a complaint with police alleged that "Sor Por Por Lanna" activities were treason in violation of Sections 113 and 114 of the Criminal Code. Whilst, it did not file any complaint with the police when the dem's pdrc/pcad was : inciting people to overthrown the people elected government with the king as the HOS, instigating the army to stage coup (take side), issued terrorist threat to shutdown BKK if the people elected government does not resign, physically invaded and occupied government offices and buildings.

Instead of engaging such distorted information on the activities of "Sor Por Por Lanna" in a peaceful manner through talks to get the background and purpose of their activities, the army choose a confrontational mode. This is worrying especially the people in the North and Northeast are saying that they have been stepping backward many steps and now do not want to be pushed over the cliff.

I hope the move by the army will not further enrage the people and confirmed their belief that the army is also behind and supporting the activities of the dem's pdrc/pcad - the activities engineered to seize power from a people elected government with the king as the HOS and install an unelected government by a selected few.

Repeating misinformation doesn't make it any more credible. Unless you can provide some evidence that PDRC or any group associated with Suthep is suggesting "'overhthrowing the system" rather than removing a corrupt government and implementing measures to prevent future corrupt governments, I will take this as more Thaksin/PTP/UDD propaganda (aka BS).

[icommunity]

IMO, the army seems to have two standard of reactions. The army was reported to had filed a complaint with police alleged that "Sor Por Por Lanna" activities were treason in violation of Sections 113 and 114 of the Criminal Code. Whilst, it did not file any complaint with the police when the dem's pdrc/pcad was : inciting people to overthrown the people elected government with the king as the HOS, instigating the army to stage coup (take side), issued terrorist threat to shutdown BKK if the people elected government does not resign, physically invaded and occupied government offices and buildings.

Instead of engaging such distorted information on the activities of "Sor Por Por Lanna" in a peaceful manner through talks to get the background and purpose of their activities, the army choose a confrontational mode. This is worrying especially the people in the North and Northeast are saying that they have been stepping backward many steps and now do not want to be pushed over the cliff.

I hope the move by the army will not further enrage the people and confirmed their belief that the army is also behind and supporting the activities of the dem's pdrc/pcad - the activities engineered to seize power from a people elected government with the king as the HOS and install an unelected government by a selected few.

Repeating misinformation doesn't make it any more credible. Unless you can provide some evidence that PDRC or any group associated with Suthep is suggesting "'overhthrowing the system" rather than removing a corrupt government and implementing measures to prevent future corrupt governments, I will take this as more Thaksin/PTP/UDD propaganda (aka BS).

The purpose of dem and its pdrc/pcad is to install a government outside of constitution to whitewash and sweep under the carpet all their alleged wrongdoings and help to further the 'elite power' by building up a regime that called 'thaksin regime'

For evidence on overthrowing of a government engineering through activities outside of the constitution : At least Suthep is under arrest warrant on insurrection. The activities of the dem's pdrc/pcad are as clear as water : threatening to shutdown a city if elected government does not resign is a terrorist threat, invading and occupying of state offices and buildings are insurrection activities, blocking of election process and physical intimidation of voters are against the democratic system with the king as HOS.

Up till this date, there is not a single PTP politician or minster guilty of corruption. However, under the scrutiny of the people, it is observed that the so called independence agencies are attempting to convict PTP politicians like that of convicting the late Samart - cooking show, Thaksin - for abiding a law required of him to give consent for his wife to buy property. Dissolving PPP without calling 300 defense witness and the right to defense. One would still suspect, the judiciary will continue to apply "Evidence and witnesses are useless!"

BTW, the topic is

Advocates of separatism warned by army chief Edited March 3, 2014 by icommunity

[outsider]

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The PM is very quiet this weekend

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Yingluck where are you?

Maybe she's across the border meeting with her bro, and AIS' coverage may be weak, which prevented her from updating her whereabouts and posting on FB?

[JRSoul]

Repeating misinformation doesn't make it any more credible. Unless you can provide some evidence that PDRC or any group associated with Suthep is suggesting "'overhthrowing the system" rather than removing a corrupt government and implementing measures to prevent future corrupt governments, I will take this as more Thaksin/PTP/UDD propaganda (aka BS).

The purpose of dem and its pdrc/pcad is to install a government outside of constitution to whitewash and sweep under the carpet all their alleged wrongdoings and help to further the 'elite power' by building up a regime that called 'thaksin regime'

For evidence on overthrowing of a government engineering through activities outside of the constitution : At least Suthep is under arrest warrant on insurrection. The activities of the dem's pdrc/pcad are as clear as water : threatening to shutdown a city if elected government does not resign is a terrorist threat, invading and occupying of state offices and buildings are insurrection activities, blocking of election process and physical intimidation of voters are against the democratic system with the king as HOS.

Up till this date, there is not a single PTP politician or minster guilty of corruption. However, under the scrutiny of the people, it is observed that the so called independence agencies are attempting to convict PTP politicians like that of convicting the late Samart - cooking show, Thaksin - for abiding a law required of him to give consent for his wife to buy property. Dissolving PPP without calling 300 defense witness and the right to defense. One would still suspect, the judiciary will continue to apply "Evidence and witnesses are useless!"

BTW, the topic is

Advocates of separatism warned by army chief

Sorry, I forgot that you are from the "elected people can break any law without consequences" school of thought.

Perhaps you will soon realise the difference between false-claim charges and actual sedition - advocating secession and raising an illegal militia. But of course, you will claim as usual that the courts are biased (they always are when they disagree with red thought) and call a legitimate legal process a "judicial coup" or some similar garbage.

I have to wonder what you will call the results of the re-run election when PTP is reduced to a nub - an electoral coup perhaps.

[HOOD Robin]

Prayuth is right to have spoken up. The secession movement in the UDD is profoundly unconstitutional. Yingluck as prime minister is sworn to uphold the constitution, which codifies that everything is under one state. For her to be greeted by supporters so openly supporting secession without making any reference to it, or distancing herself from it - either during or afterward - is beyond astonishing. What Pruyuth said is what she should have said, without equivocation.

The word "sworn" doesn't mean a F^CK in Thailand...

[quagmirefg]

Sedation and attempting to oust a government are two different things.

Both are serious offences, but are not the same.

Protests are allowed under Thai Constitution, but there is no such provision regarding Sedation.

So basically a peaceful protest can be held to overthrow or object to the government, but a protest or meeting can not be held to promote or organize the separation or overthrow of the Country of Thailand.

The attempt to promote, establish, or encourage the formation of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Lanna is considered to be Sedation according to the Army Chief, while attempting to overthrow the current government by force is a different offence.

[icommunity]

Repeating misinformation doesn't make it any more credible. Unless you can provide some evidence that PDRC or any group associated with Suthep is suggesting "'overhthrowing the system" rather than removing a corrupt government and implementing measures to prevent future corrupt governments, I will take this as more Thaksin/PTP/UDD propaganda (aka BS).

The purpose of dem and its pdrc/pcad is to install a government outside of constitution to whitewash and sweep under the carpet all their alleged wrongdoings and help to further the 'elite power' by building up a regime that called 'thaksin regime'

For evidence on overthrowing of a government engineering through activities outside of the constitution : At least Suthep is under arrest warrant on insurrection. The activities of the dem's pdrc/pcad are as clear as water : threatening to shutdown a city if elected government does not resign is a terrorist threat, invading and occupying of state offices and buildings are insurrection activities, blocking of election process and physical intimidation of voters are against the democratic system with the king as HOS.

Up till this date, there is not a single PTP politician or minster guilty of corruption. However, under the scrutiny of the people, it is observed that the so called independence agencies are attempting to convict PTP politicians like that of convicting the late Samart - cooking show, Thaksin - for abiding a law required of him to give consent for his wife to buy property. Dissolving PPP without calling 300 defense witness and the right to defense. One would still suspect, the judiciary will continue to apply "Evidence and witnesses are useless!"

BTW, the topic is

Advocates of separatism warned by army chief

Sorry, I forgot that you are from the "elected people can break any law without consequences" school of thought.

Perhaps you will soon realise the difference between false-claim charges and actual sedition - advocating secession and raising an illegal militia. But of course, you will claim as usual that the courts are biased (they always are when they disagree with red thought) and call a legitimate legal process a "judicial coup" or some similar garbage.

I have to wonder what you will call the results of the re-run election when PTP is reduced to a nub - an electoral coup perhaps.

Sorry, confrontational, pointing finger attitude suck and does not solve any problem but enlarge it. The problems and the divides in Thailand is not so simplistic as you want to make it up to be.

[quagmirefg]

The Red Shirt separatist groups can not truly speak for and represent the Majority of Thai's in their areas as there has not been a Referendum or Democratic Vote on Secation.

Without endorsement by the majority, they lack legitimacy.

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Edited March 3, 2014 by quagmirefg

[Toscano]

Carving up the country may be illegal , but it doesn't mean it cannot be done .

One appreciates that the armed forces would have a duty to prevent it happening .

It might prove to be a difficult task .

[awakewarrior]

CM groups have been talking about this for years. Some Reds up here I know understand

that many "important" things are about to change in Thailand & that in my opinion need changing

and now is the time if there ever was one to push the issue/idea among others in their families / communities.

They may believe it never really will happen / splitting the country but they all know what will eventually happen here and they

do not like what they see and the control these people have.