Chalerm says Yingluck still caretaker prime minister

[Spartakos]

Why people want to get rid of yingluck, it's like she does not even exist anyway. Photo ops here, Facebook post there, otop fairs, shopping, completely harmless.

[gemini81]

And while they continue to squabble and hang onto power in this lockjawed way, another day dawns on the unsafe roads and in the unattended basic needs of the masses. If they put all the energy they put into staying in power and toppling each other, into infrastructure and regulatory reforms, this nation would have been a world leader ages ago. So much misdirected energy from all the political players, it is actually breathtaking really. And the poor normal people keep struggling on in adversity, made a hundred times harder by the very leaders elected to improve living standards for all.

This squabble is largely about one side trying to deal with the issues you list above and implementing policies aimed at improving the lives of the poor and the other side going all out to prevent them from doing so as it adversely affects their already bulging bank accounts.

Yes, they care so much about the poor, who they've been ripping off.

Yes,it could be that they're ripping them off. But if they are you can be sure that they're doing far, far less thievery than the elites were doing for the decades prior to the advent of the Red Shirt movement. Why do you think the Reds have so much support?

They've committed far more graft than previous administration, you know that- or you just arrived here to unpack your bags. Look into the rice scheme, the billions, the loss in money for flood aid, the 1st time car/home buyer. We're talking billions upon billions just in a few years; let alone, the epidemic corruption leading up to 2006 under square face. Can't reinvent the facts on a forum consisting of primarily long time expats.

[Fryslan boppe]

"....in wake of the opposition’s challenge of the status of her premiership by petitioning the Constitution Court to rule on the issue"

Wot?....They are trying to get their 'golden boy' back in....Again.

I know he is chafing at the bit, and thick-faced enough to accept it, elections be damned.

Didn't work so well last time.

[15Peter20]

Yes you can, It's up to the Constitutional Court to rule on the issue, and former-DPM caretaker-Labour Minister Chalerm is not part of the court, is he ?

So "Mr Chalerms confirmation of Ms Yinglucks status" means diddly-squat, until the Court agrees or disagrees, it's only his personal opinion.

Not that he's biased, in any way, or also affected by the decision himself !

I'm not saying that you are guilty of this since I don't know your position on the disrupted election, but anyone who endorsed the blocking of polling stations last month and now harps on about the importance of sticking to the constitution sounds very hollow to me.

Edited March 4, 2014 by 15Peter20

[ManofReason]

What was stopping the payments in October. After parliament was dissolved the constitution prevented payments. How is any of that any one else fault but the PTP?

Yeah.The rice scheme ran into some minor difficulties that could have been quickly and easily remedied had the Democrats not acted as they did. Instead of being a constructive parliamentary force the Democrats instead chose to do all they could to sabotage the scheme and actively worked to prevent payments being made to farmers for the selfish purpose of trying to destroy the elected government so that they could again try to steal power.

If the Democrats were so eager to help the farmers could they not have delayed their mass quitting of parliament and taking to the streets until the farmers had been paid? Yes they could of but they didn't because they wanted to exploit the farmers misery for their own selfish ends. The more the farmers suffered the better they thought it was for them - unfortunately it didn't work out that way and they have lost big time on this issue. If you'll notice the amount of press on the rice scheme has dwindled and the focus is now on the northern secession threats - why? - because the rice scheme debate has been won by the good guys and the Yellows need another red herring issue to try and justify their illegal activities.

[Gonzo the Face]

Nothing wrong with ying luck, she is governing Thailand like the strong woman she is with conviction, brave. Willing to put her life on the line for this country.

......as long as it is on a mall shopping trip......

To me she started off as an attractive woman and I gave here all best wishes for doing a successful job. As it turned out I have changed my entire opinion of this woman......She is shallow, with no dedication to really doing the job asked of her. She did turn into her brothers puppet, as evidenced by her running from any possible confrontation, rather than address something as the PM she was supposed to be. Very sad really and I feel bad for her.

[thaifoolishness]

What was stopping the payments in October. After parliament was dissolved the constitution prevented payments. How is any of that any one else fault but the PTP?

Yeah.The rice scheme ran into some minor difficulties that could have been quickly and easily remedied had the Democrats not acted as they did. Instead of being a constructive parliamentary force the Democrats instead chose to do all they could to sabotage the scheme and actively worked to prevent payments being made to farmers for the selfish purpose of trying to destroy the elected government so that they could again try to steal power.

If the Democrats were so eager to help the farmers could they not have delayed their mass quitting of parliament and taking to the streets until the farmers had been paid? Yes they could of but they didn't because they wanted to exploit the farmers misery for their own selfish ends. The more the farmers suffered the better they thought it was for them - unfortunately it didn't work out that way and they have lost big time on this issue. If you'll notice the amount of press on the rice scheme has dwindled and the focus is now on the northern secession threats - why? - because the rice scheme debate has been won by the good guys and the Yellows need another red herring issue to try and justify their illegal activities.

'ManofReason' member since 27 Feb 2014. Latest Thaksin apologist from the lawyer in Amsterdam? 'Nuff said

[trogers]

Ahhh...so speak the doctorate in Law, and so-called expert in constitutional matters of PTP. I believe he is a co-author of that Amnesty Bill as well...

[jonclark]

Yes you can, It's up to the Constitutional Court to rule on the issue, and former-DPM caretaker-Labour Minister Chalerm is not part of the court, is he ?

So "Mr Chalerm’s confirmation of Ms Yingluck’s status" means diddly-squat, until the Court agrees or disagrees, it's only his personal opinion.

Not that he's biased, in any way, or also affected by the decision himself !

Rule on what?

The constitution states that the election must be completed within 180 days of parliament being dissolved and the PM must be elected within 30 days of the new parliament sitting. Looks like it's Yinglucks'show until July - enjoy.

I bet yingluck is just thrilled at the prospect. It's fairly clear the poor mare just wants shot of the whole thing. Its not turned out to be as much fun as she was promised has it.

Hopefully the NACC will speed things up a bit for her and provide her with an exit strategy.

MOR - we both know YL wants to be PM about as much as you or I want cancer.

[ManofReason]

Yes,it could be that they're ripping them off. But if they are you can be sure that they're doing far, far less thievery than the elites were doing for the decades prior to the advent of the Red Shirt movement. Why do you think the Reds have so much support?

They've committed far more graft than previous administration, you know that- or you just arrived here to unpack your bags. Look into the rice scheme, the billions, the loss in money for flood aid, the 1st time car/home buyer. We're talking billions upon billions just in a few years; let alone, the epidemic corruption leading up to 2006 under square face. Can't reinvent the facts on a forum consisting of primarily long time expats.

They've been accused of committing extreme levels of graft. As yet they haven't been CONVICTED of anything. I could accuse you of being a pedophile - does that automatically mean you are? Of course not. The living standards of the rural northerners and the poor in general has improved dramatically since Thaksin lead or backed parties burst onto the scene - that's a fact. I am always amused how it's not enough to just accuse the Reds of being corrupt, the accusation has to be so wildly extreme and over the top. It's as if those making the claims don't realise it would be absolutely impossible to hide graft on such a scale, so how on earth could Thaksin and co. get away with it for nearly a decade? The Democrats would have to be the most incompetent opposition in the history of mankind as they have still have not been able to put together enough evidence to legally bring down this government even though they (wishfully) believe that they have stolen literally "truck loads" of cash.

[rubl]

Yes you can, It's up to the Constitutional Court to rule on the issue, and former-DPM caretaker-Labour Minister Chalerm is not part of the court, is he ?

So "Mr Chalerm’s confirmation of Ms Yingluck’s status" means diddly-squat, until the Court agrees or disagrees, it's only his personal opinion.

Not that he's biased, in any way, or also affected by the decision himself !

Now don't be hasty, young master Ricky.

Don't forget Pol. Captain Chalerm has studied law ans is said to have written at least two new versions of the Constitution.

Mind you, maybe he was referring to his own version rather than the current 2007 version

[ManofReason]

What was stopping the payments in October. After parliament was dissolved the constitution prevented payments. How is any of that any one else fault but the PTP?

Yeah.The rice scheme ran into some minor difficulties that could have been quickly and easily remedied had the Democrats not acted as they did. Instead of being a constructive parliamentary force the Democrats instead chose to do all they could to sabotage the scheme and actively worked to prevent payments being made to farmers for the selfish purpose of trying to destroy the elected government so that they could again try to steal power.

If the Democrats were so eager to help the farmers could they not have delayed their mass quitting of parliament and taking to the streets until the farmers had been paid? Yes they could of but they didn't because they wanted to exploit the farmers misery for their own selfish ends. The more the farmers suffered the better they thought it was for them - unfortunately it didn't work out that way and they have lost big time on this issue. If you'll notice the amount of press on the rice scheme has dwindled and the focus is now on the northern secession threats - why? - because the rice scheme debate has been won by the good guys and the Yellows need another red herring issue to try and justify their illegal activities.

'ManofReason' member since 27 Feb 2014. Latest Thaksin apologist from the lawyer in Amsterdam? 'Nuff said

I thought I was meant to be Pipkins?

[rubl]

Yes,it could be that they're ripping them off. But if they are you can be sure that they're doing far, far less thievery than the elites were doing for the decades prior to the advent of the Red Shirt movement. Why do you think the Reds have so much support?

They've committed far more graft than previous administration, you know that- or you just arrived here to unpack your bags. Look into the rice scheme, the billions, the loss in money for flood aid, the 1st time car/home buyer. We're talking billions upon billions just in a few years; let alone, the epidemic corruption leading up to 2006 under square face. Can't reinvent the facts on a forum consisting of primarily long time expats.

They've been accused of committing extreme levels of graft. As yet they haven't been CONVICTED of anything. I could accuse you of being a pedophile - does that automatically mean you are? Of course not. The living standards of the rural northerners and the poor in general has improved dramatically since Thaksin lead or backed parties burst onto the scene - that's a fact. I am always amused how it's not enough to just accuse the Reds of being corrupt, the accusation has to be so wildly extreme and over the top. It's as if those making the claims don't realise it would be absolutely impossible to hide graft on such a scale, so how on earth could Thaksin and co. get away with it for nearly a decade? The Democrats would have to be the most incompetent opposition in the history of mankind as they have still have not been able to put together enough evidence to legally bring down this government even though they (wishfully) believe that they have stolen literally "truck loads" of cash.

They've shown complete duplicity and lack of transparency in the 700++ billion Baht rice price pledging scheme which was kept out of the National Budget to avoid parliamentary scrutiny.

The rest is the normal blabla which just showed a trend which was there but began to be more clear with Thaksin throwing around lots of government money which the world economy was booming for a while.

Anyway, all that is somewhat off topic which has Pol. Captain and law specialist Chalerm having read his own constitution and concluded that nothing is wrong with the world and having Ms. Yingluck taking care a bit longer.

[djjamie]

Yes you can, It's up to the Constitutional Court to rule on the issue, and former-DPM caretaker-Labour Minister Chalerm is not part of the court, is he ?

So "Mr Chalerm’s confirmation of Ms Yingluck’s status" means diddly-squat, until the Court agrees or disagrees, it's only his personal opinion.

Not that he's biased, in any way, or also affected by the decision himself !

Rule on what?

The constitution states that the election must be completed within 180 days of parliament being dissolved and the PM must be elected within 30 days of the new parliament sitting. Looks like it's Yinglucks'show until July - enjoy.

Parliament was dissolved on the 9th of December. So 180 days after that is the 9th of March (or there about) Not July.

See now why the constitutional court needs to be involved.

Not that any of that matters with the impending negligence case coming up.

Appx. 30 days to a month. 180/30 = 6 months

1. December

2. January

3. February

4. March

5. April

6. May

Followed by 30 days to choose the PM

7. June

If I'm not mistaken, June is followed by........

The only negligence the constitutional court needs to investigate here is the mathematics in your post.

Stand corrected. Too early.

Ummm, regarding the constitutional court and negligence. There is a case against yingluck, unless my memory is as bad as my maths is before 10am…As for the courts investigating my maths as negligence???My carelessness at maths does not harm anyone or anything thus is not a negligible case. It would be thrown out and the person that raised it with the courts would be laughed at.

So as I stated before she won't make it unless she ignores the courts verdict regarding negligence of duty. That case my friend will not be thrown out of court.

Apologies for the incorrect maths presented before. I was wrong.

Edited March 4, 2014 by djjamie

[thaifoolishness]

What was stopping the payments in October. After parliament was dissolved the constitution prevented payments. How is any of that any one else fault but the PTP?

Yeah.The rice scheme ran into some minor difficulties that could have been quickly and easily remedied had the Democrats not acted as they did. Instead of being a constructive parliamentary force the Democrats instead chose to do all they could to sabotage the scheme and actively worked to prevent payments being made to farmers for the selfish purpose of trying to destroy the elected government so that they could again try to steal power.

If the Democrats were so eager to help the farmers could they not have delayed their mass quitting of parliament and taking to the streets until the farmers had been paid? Yes they could of but they didn't because they wanted to exploit the farmers misery for their own selfish ends. The more the farmers suffered the better they thought it was for them - unfortunately it didn't work out that way and they have lost big time on this issue. If you'll notice the amount of press on the rice scheme has dwindled and the focus is now on the northern secession threats - why? - because the rice scheme debate has been won by the good guys and the Yellows need another red herring issue to try and justify their illegal activities.

'ManofReason' member since 27 Feb 2014. Latest Thaksin apologist from the lawyer in Amsterdam? 'Nuff said

I thought I was meant to be Pipkins?

It doesn't matter who you 'should' be.

It's just so strange that new members like you keep popping up on TV and that they always seem to be here to support Thaksin...

[gabruce]

Nothing wrong with ying luck, she is governing Thailand like the strong woman she is with conviction, brave. Willing to put her life on the line for this country.

You need to work on your humour. The joke doesn't quite make it to being funny.

[klauskunkel]

What's wrong with his face? It gets rounder every day, wait a minute...did he eat all the missing rice?

[neverdie]

What was stopping the payments in October. After parliament was dissolved the constitution prevented payments. How is any of that any one else fault but the PTP?

Yeah.The rice scheme ran into some minor difficulties that could have been quickly and easily remedied had the Democrats not acted as they did. Instead of being a constructive parliamentary force the Democrats instead chose to do all they could to sabotage the scheme and actively worked to prevent payments being made to farmers for the selfish purpose of trying to destroy the elected government so that they could again try to steal power.

If the Democrats were so eager to help the farmers could they not have delayed their mass quitting of parliament and taking to the streets until the farmers had been paid? Yes they could of but they didn't because they wanted to exploit the farmers misery for their own selfish ends. The more the farmers suffered the better they thought it was for them - unfortunately it didn't work out that way and they have lost big time on this issue. If you'll notice the amount of press on the rice scheme has dwindled and the focus is now on the northern secession threats - why? - because the rice scheme debate has been won by the good guys and the Yellows need another red herring issue to try and justify their illegal activities.

'ManofReason' member since 27 Feb 2014. Latest Thaksin apologist from the lawyer in Amsterdam? 'Nuff said

The most amusing part is, as one disappears another is born, other times a dormant one suddenly becomes active.

ohhh yeah and they always appear to be pedalling the exact same lines and various modified wiki facts.

Anyway, at least they're entertaining themselves here and whilst they are busy doing that they're probably having little other impact on the real world.

[jonclark]

What was stopping the payments in October. After parliament was dissolved the constitution prevented payments. How is any of that any one else fault but the PTP?

Yeah.The rice scheme ran into some minor difficulties that could have been quickly and easily remedied had the Democrats not acted as they did. Instead of being a constructive parliamentary force the Democrats instead chose to do all they could to sabotage the scheme and actively worked to prevent payments being made to farmers for the selfish purpose of trying to destroy the elected government so that they could again try to steal power.

If the Democrats were so eager to help the farmers could they not have delayed their mass quitting of parliament and taking to the streets until the farmers had been paid? Yes they could of but they didn't because they wanted to exploit the farmers misery for their own selfish ends. The more the farmers suffered the better they thought it was for them - unfortunately it didn't work out that way and they have lost big time on this issue. If you'll notice the amount of press on the rice scheme has dwindled and the focus is now on the northern secession threats - why? - because the rice scheme debate has been won by the good guys and the Yellows need another red herring issue to try and justify their illegal activities.

Sorry mate that just a plan lie.

The government is solely responsible. When the PM dissolved the house plans and finances should have been set aside to ensure that policies she implemented could continue until she was re-elected. That failure shows the lack of forethought of PTP in planning for the aftermath of their decision to dissolve parliment

As for why the amount of press has dwindled .. I think PTP are creating a seccession issue to deflect attention from the rice scheme. Nothing has been won, the issue still exisits and will return to haunt PTP

[Artisi]

What was stopping the payments in October. After parliament was dissolved the constitution prevented payments. How is any of that any one else fault but the PTP?

Yeah.The rice scheme ran into some minor difficulties that could have been quickly and easily remedied had the Democrats not acted as they did. Instead of being a constructive parliamentary force the Democrats instead chose to do all they could to sabotage the scheme and actively worked to prevent payments being made to farmers for the selfish purpose of trying to destroy the elected government so that they could again try to steal power.

If the Democrats were so eager to help the farmers could they not have delayed their mass quitting of parliament and taking to the streets until the farmers had been paid? Yes they could of but they didn't because they wanted to exploit the farmers misery for their own selfish ends. The more the farmers suffered the better they thought it was for them - unfortunately it didn't work out that way and they have lost big time on this issue. If you'll notice the amount of press on the rice scheme has dwindled and the focus is now on the northern secession threats - why? - because the rice scheme debate has been won by the good guys and the Yellows need another red herring issue to try and justify their illegal activities.

'ManofReason' member since 27 Feb 2014. Latest Thaksin apologist from the lawyer in Amsterdam? 'Nuff said

I thought I was meant to be Pipkins?

Doesn't really matter who you have been re-incarnated from, but who ever it is I must compliment you on your writing skills which look very like someone trained in the legal profession. The only problem is of course you are just sprouting and regurgitating red propaganda which is more than likely at the direction of another interested party.

[djjamie]

Yes,it could be that they're ripping them off. But if they are you can be sure that they're doing far, far less thievery than the elites were doing for the decades prior to the advent of the Red Shirt movement. Why do you think the Reds have so much support?

They've committed far more graft than previous administration, you know that- or you just arrived here to unpack your bags. Look into the rice scheme, the billions, the loss in money for flood aid, the 1st time car/home buyer. We're talking billions upon billions just in a few years; let alone, the epidemic corruption leading up to 2006 under square face. Can't reinvent the facts on a forum consisting of primarily long time expats.

The living standards of the rural northerners and the poor in general has improved dramatically since Thaksin lead or backed parties burst onto the scene - that's a fact.

No it's not.

Fact - Shinawatra lead governments (yes, yes yingluck is the PM) have put 1.5 trillion baht into rice schemes over 14 years yet the farmers they purport to help miss one payment…I will reinforce that by repeating it, they missed ONE payment from the government and some farmers are committing suicide while the rest travel to Bangkok to protest. Doesn't sound like they are prospering.

According to the latest report by the Thailand Development Research Institute (TDRI), the richest 20 per cent of rice farmers produce 42 per cent of the total rice supply in the market. Meanwhile, the poorest 2.59 million rice-growing households do not produce enough grain to join the programme.

 That means the richest 20 percent are MORE prosperous. The poorest are still the same. So does that mean you are happy that the rich are getting richer while the poor are stagnant?

The extended family live about 100km out of KK. They grow rice. 3 years after the PTP scheme was implemented they still don't own a car. Rain still leaks in through the roof of their house. The husband has a 2nd job. They fear they will loose the harvest. I asked if they know about higher yields through improving water management, better seed selection, alternate pesticides, more efficient harvesting methods and soil analysis. Their eyes glazed up while staring over the 18" black and white TV they saved up for. The only thing sustainable about this scheme is the votes it generates.

Through research and development the Vietnamese, who live only a few hundred km from Thailand, have a sustainable industry that produce 810kg of rice per rai compared to Thailand's 250kg per rai. They need no hand outs, they produce bumper crops and they don't life in dilapidated houses. 1.5 trillion baht could have allowed Thai farmers to mirror the efficiency of the Vietnamese, but then the PTP would no longer gets votes. They need them poor and on hand outs to keep that carrot dangled in front of them.

If the government's real intention was to help farmers, it should have spent tax money on things that would assist the sector towards sustainability, such as research and development, irrigation, transportation, financial management, cooperatives and agriculture education. These efforts have multiplier effects that have the power to eventually lift poor farmers out of poverty. Funding for these longer-term measures should have been accompanied by several sensible short-term measures to alleviate the farmers' debt burden.

Edited March 4, 2014 by djjamie

[Mister Fixit]

Ahhh...so speak the doctorate in Law, and so-called expert in constitutional matters of PTP. I believe he is a co-author of that Amnesty Bill as well...

A Doctorate in Law? Here?

About an A level in the UK then ...

[Mister Fixit]

No it's not. Etc etc

Won't quote it all, but good well-reasoned and expressed post - run out of likes ...

So here's a 'like'.

Edited March 4, 2014 by Mister Fixit

[ManofReason]

I thought I was meant to be Pipkins?

It doesn't matter who you 'should' be.

It's just so strange that new members like you keep popping up on TV and that they always seem to be here to support Thaksin...

I'm a supporter of the rule of law and of abiding by election results (even if the party I support loses) - not Thaksin (although I do think Yingluck is rather attractive).

Perhaps the growing number of "Reds" here is reflective of the growing support of the way one side has behaved compared to how the other side has misbehaved in recent times.

What is it you desire TV to be - a little bubble of Yellow sycophancy immune from the outside world and the thoughts and opinions of anyone who dares to hold a different view or opinion and worse actually presents facts that support their opposing views??

How do you expect to learn and grow and test your thoughts if you only hear one side of an issue?

[dyertribe]

Yes you can, It's up to the Constitutional Court to rule on the issue, and former-DPM caretaker-Labour Minister Chalerm is not part of the court, is he ?

So "Mr Chalerm’s confirmation of Ms Yingluck’s status" means diddly-squat, until the Court agrees or disagrees, it's only his personal opinion.

Not that he's biased, in any way, or also affected by the decision himself !

Rule on what?

The constitution states that the election must be completed within 180 days of parliament being dissolved and the PM must be elected within 30 days of the new parliament sitting. Looks like it's Yinglucks'show until July - enjoy.

Parliament was dissolved on the 9th of December. So 180 days after that is the 9th of March (or there about) Not July.

See now why the constitutional court needs to be involved.

Not that any of that matters with the impending negligence case coming up.

9th of March is somewhere around 100 days ... I'm too lazy to count them.

Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

[Mister Fixit]

Nothing wrong with ying luck, she is governing Thailand like the strong woman she is with conviction, brave. Willing to put her life on the line for this country.

You need to work on your humour. The joke doesn't quite make it to being funny.

Is it irony? Sarcasm? Or does he really believe his tosh?

[ManofReason]

Yes,it could be that they're ripping them off. But if they are you can be sure that they're doing far, far less thievery than the elites were doing for the decades prior to the advent of the Red Shirt movement. Why do you think the Reds have so much support?

They've committed far more graft than previous administration, you know that- or you just arrived here to unpack your bags. Look into the rice scheme, the billions, the loss in money for flood aid, the 1st time car/home buyer. We're talking billions upon billions just in a few years; let alone, the epidemic corruption leading up to 2006 under square face. Can't reinvent the facts on a forum consisting of primarily long time expats.

The living standards of the rural northerners and the poor in general has improved dramatically since Thaksin lead or backed parties burst onto the scene - that's a fact.

No it's not.

Fact - Shinawatra lead governments (yes, yes yingluck is the PM) have put 1.5 trillion baht into rice schemes over 14 years yet the farmers they purport to help miss one payment…I will reinforce that by repeating it, they missed ONE payment from the government and some farmers are committing suicide while the rest travel to Bangkok to protest. Doesn't sound like they are prospering.

According to the latest report by the Thailand Development Research Institute (TDRI), the richest 20 per cent of rice farmers produce 42 per cent of the total rice supply in the market. Meanwhile, the poorest 2.59 million rice-growing households do not produce enough grain to join the programme.

 That means the richest 20 percent are MORE prosperous. The poorest are still the same. So does that mean you are happy that the rich are getting richer while the poor are stagnant?

The extended family live about 100km out of KK. They grow rice. 3 years after the PTP scheme was implemented they still don't own a car. Rain still leaks in through the roof of their house. The husband has a 2nd job. They fear they will loose the harvest. I asked if they know about higher yields through improving water management, better seed selection, alternate pesticides, more efficient harvesting methods and soil analysis. Their eyes glazed up while staring over the 18" black and white TV they saved up for. The only thing sustainable about this scheme is the votes it generates.

Through research and development the Vietnamese, who live only a few hundred km from Thailand, have a sustainable industry that produce 810kg of rice per rai compared to Thailand's 250kg per rai. They need no hand outs, they produce bumper crops and they don't life in dilapidated houses. 1.5 trillion baht could have allowed Thai farmers to mirror the efficiency of the Vietnamese, but then the PTP would no longer gets votes. They need them poor and on hand outs to keep that carrot dangled in front of them.

If the government's real intention was to help farmers, it should have spent tax money on things that would assist the sector towards sustainability, such as research and development, irrigation, transportation, financial management, cooperatives and agriculture education. These efforts have multiplier effects that have the power to eventually lift poor farmers out of poverty. Funding for these longer-term measures should have been accompanied by several sensible short-term measures to alleviate the farmers' debt burden.

Wow, you typed all that to deny a fact.

The only way Thaksin has any power in this country is through the support of the rural poor, as long as his policies continue to improve their lives he will command a majority of the electorate, the minute he fails in this task he will lose their support and cease to have any sort of power. The rural folk are a bit more clever than your mob give them credit for and are certainly smart enough to vote policies that benefit them. Thaksin makes their lives better than the other mob would so they vote for him, pretty simple really.

Edited March 4, 2014 by ManofReason

[Mister Fixit]

What was stopping the payments in October. After parliament was dissolved the constitution prevented payments. How is any of that any one else fault but the PTP?

Yeah.The rice scheme ran into some minor difficulties that could have been quickly and easily remedied had the Democrats not acted as they did. Instead of being a constructive parliamentary force the Democrats instead chose to do all they could to sabotage the scheme and actively worked to prevent payments being made to farmers for the selfish purpose of trying to destroy the elected government so that they could again try to steal power.

If the Democrats were so eager to help the farmers could they not have delayed their mass quitting of parliament and taking to the streets until the farmers had been paid? Yes they could of but they didn't because they wanted to exploit the farmers misery for their own selfish ends. The more the farmers suffered the better they thought it was for them - unfortunately it didn't work out that way and they have lost big time on this issue. If you'll notice the amount of press on the rice scheme has dwindled and the focus is now on the northern secession threats - why? - because the rice scheme debate has been won by the good guys and the Yellows need another red herring issue to try and justify their illegal activities.

'Minor difficulties'? Hahahahaha!

Those two words destroy everything else in your post. Do you live in Laa Laa Land?

[ManofReason]

What was stopping the payments in October. After parliament was dissolved the constitution prevented payments. How is any of that any one else fault but the PTP?

Yeah.The rice scheme ran into some minor difficulties that could have been quickly and easily remedied had the Democrats not acted as they did. Instead of being a constructive parliamentary force the Democrats instead chose to do all they could to sabotage the scheme and actively worked to prevent payments being made to farmers for the selfish purpose of trying to destroy the elected government so that they could again try to steal power.

If the Democrats were so eager to help the farmers could they not have delayed their mass quitting of parliament and taking to the streets until the farmers had been paid? Yes they could of but they didn't because they wanted to exploit the farmers misery for their own selfish ends. The more the farmers suffered the better they thought it was for them - unfortunately it didn't work out that way and they have lost big time on this issue. If you'll notice the amount of press on the rice scheme has dwindled and the focus is now on the northern secession threats - why? - because the rice scheme debate has been won by the good guys and the Yellows need another red herring issue to try and justify their illegal activities.

'Minor difficulties'? Hahahahaha!

Those two words destroy everything else in your post. Do you live in Laa Laa Land?

Or perhaps you're using those two words to ignore every other detail in the post because you are unable to refute or disprove them.

[sonar6ca]

Now, where did I leave the bottle again?