Missing Malaysia Airlines jet carrying 239 triggers Southeast Asia search

[Chicog]

Or Langoliers from S.Spielberg

Stephen King might take offence to this.

[Chicog]

GK in the absence of wreckage or debris EVERYTHING points to a hijacking IMO

Yes. but the only reason for the absence of wreckage or debris is that they haven't found it yet. Plenty of examples where it's taken weeks before even floating debris is found.

Have some patience before you let your little mind run riot.

[draftvader]

Debris field spotted off Vietnam cost.

http://avherald.com/img/malaysia_b772_9m-mro_gulf_of_thailand_140308_map.jpg

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=4710c69b&opt=0

This is on the correct flight path, all the flight paths you see on pics show a straight line of flight from KL to PEK, if you look at radar24.com they actual fly around Vietnams coast.

If it had flown this far why are there no records of it from ground radar?

If the transponder had failed there would still be records from ground radar of unidentified aircraft.

Theres still a lack of info on last radar contacts, was it transponder records or ground based? The aircraft was about to hand over control to Vietnam, thus leaving Supang ground radar range when contact was lost.

Also, are there radar black spots that without a transponder the aircraft would infact be invisible?

If it had flown out of Supang radar range when it turned back and then the transponder failed it would explain the sudden dissapearce from radar.

I still believe my earlier theory is feasible:

Majar electronic failure causing engine and comms failure.

Pilots turn aircraft to return.

Transponder failure.

Last muffled contact on emergengy VHF to another aircraft.

Pilot ditches in sea with aircraft intact,

Unable to open the doors.

Aircraft sinks.

The Malaysian haven't got a clue what they are doing. The US or Australians should take over control of the search and start a sub-surface search with P3's and MH-60 hydrophones to listen for the blackbox pingers.

This is the debris field spotted at last light yesterday. Has anybody heard anything about this again today?

[Thai at Heart]

With a compliant pilot, would it be possible to force it to fly below radar and land in order to kidnap some of the passengers.

Reportedly radar coverage there is quite spotty. If its not in the sea, it must be somewhere else and I don't see half the worlds most advanced spotter ships, helicopters and subs not being able to find this plane.

So they must be looking in the wrong place or the plane isn't there. Could it have decompressed and flown elsewhere?,,radar would see it.

So, could it be flown out from this place below radar over the sea for a long distance?

[Chicog]

IF it was Hypoxia alone, would not MH370 have flown it's pre programmed route to point of decent or until challenged and shot down as a danger to life on the ground?

Not if they disconnected the autopilot and attempted to fly the aircraft before passing out.

Nothing can be eliminated or confirmed until they get the FDR and CVR, unless they turn up wreckage that points to a specific event.

[Lite Beer]

MISSING MH 370
Help from Shaman must be in line with Islam


Ibrahim Mat Zin (centre) a well known local bomoh, who came to the KL International Airport on Monday.//the Star

The Malaysian government welcomes any help to trace missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 including from "bomohs" (shamans) so long as their methods do not contravene Islam, said Minister in the Prime Minister's Department Datuk Seri Jamil Khir Baharom.

"We appreciate all help...but where it comes to mysticism, the methods used must conform to Islamic teachings," he told reporters after attending the 35th National-level Quran Recital Programme here on Monday.

The programme was opened by Selangor Mentri Besar Tan Sri Abdul Khalid Ibrahim, Bernama news agency reported.

Jamil Khir was commenting on the case of Ibrahim Mat Zin, a well known local bomoh, who came to the KL International Airport on Monday, claiming to be invited by one of the country’s top leaders, to help locate the missing plane using spiritual methods.

Ibrahim after performing a prayer at KLIA’s entrance said he thought the plane was still in the air or had crashed into the sea.

MAS Flight MH370, carrying 227 passengers, including two infants, and 12 crew, went missing en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing about an hour after taking off from the KL International Airport at 12.41am Saturday. It should have landed in Beijing at 6.30am but is still missing without any trace till now.

-- The Nation 2014-03-11

[mcfester]

GK in the absence of wreckage or debris EVERYTHING points to a hijacking IMO

Yes. but the only reason for the absence of wreckage or debris is that they haven't found it yet. Plenty of examples where it's taken weeks before even floating debris is found.

Have some patience before you let your little mind run riot.

The airfrance brazil crash had a search area of 320,000 square kilometres of ocean and they found debris in one day, bodies in five days. This search area has just been increased from 50 nautical miles from its last known position to 100 nautical miles. Aircraft ditched in sea intact and sank.

[draftvader]

MISSING MH 370

Help from Shaman must be in line with Islam

Ibrahim Mat Zin (centre) a well known local bomoh, who came to the KL International Airport on Monday.//the Star

The Malaysian government welcomes any help to trace missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 including from "bomohs" (shamans) so long as their methods do not contravene Islam, said Minister in the Prime Minister's Department Datuk Seri Jamil Khir Baharom.

"We appreciate all help...but where it comes to mysticism, the methods used must conform to Islamic teachings," he told reporters after attending the 35th National-level Quran Recital Programme here on Monday.

The programme was opened by Selangor Mentri Besar Tan Sri Abdul Khalid Ibrahim, Bernama news agency reported.

Jamil Khir was commenting on the case of Ibrahim Mat Zin, a well known local bomoh, who came to the KL International Airport on Monday, claiming to be invited by one of the country’s top leaders, to help locate the missing plane using spiritual methods.

Ibrahim after performing a prayer at KLIA’s entrance said he thought the plane was still in the air or had crashed into the sea.

MAS Flight MH370, carrying 227 passengers, including two infants, and 12 crew, went missing en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing about an hour after taking off from the KL International Airport at 12.41am Saturday. It should have landed in Beijing at 6.30am but is still missing without any trace till now.

-- The Nation 2014-03-11

Oh no! "You can use your weird randomness as long as it conforms to our weird randomness".

Hint to Malaysian government officials.....TRY LOOKING HARDER FOR THE PLANE

It gets worst though. "Its in the air or in the sea". With 70% of the Earth covered in water that is, in basic, hedging your bets. I, for one, want it to appear on land now!

When do the clowns come on?

[Chicog]

Fascinating: Can I post this? Sorry if not.

http://www.chiptatum.com/index.php/articles/16-malaysia-air-flight-370-initial-information

That's weird. I was just looking at that and noticed SIN800 from SIN-PEK turned back, went read, turned into a circle with a question mark and then disappeared off the screen.

Is it a mislabelled recording or something?

[Mosha]

IF it was Hypoxia alone, would not MH370 have flown it's pre programmed route to point of decent or until challenged and shot down as a danger to life on the ground?

Not if they disconnected the autopilot and attempted to fly the aircraft before passing out.

Nothing can be eliminated or confirmed until they get the FDR and CVR, unless they turn up wreckage that points to a specific event.

Anyway the oxygen masks would have deployed giving the pilot time to descend to a safe level. 10 minutes air IIRC

[Chicog]

Polo Sandoval @PoloSandovalCNN

JUST IN: Hong Kong Civil Aviation Dept to CNN: pilots spotted "large solid debris" in Sth China Sea. No proof it's from missing jetliner.

7:09 AM - 11 Mar 2014

Edited March 11, 2014 by Chicog

[JesseFrank]

MISSING MH 370

Help from Shaman must be in line with Islam

Ibrahim Mat Zin (centre) a well known local bomoh, who came to the KL International Airport on Monday.//the Star

Ibrahim after performing a prayer at KLIA’s entrance said he thought the plane was still in the air or had crashed into the sea.

-- The Nation 2014-03-11

Ibrahim has definitely solved the case.Does he have a day job as weatherman by any chance.

[draftvader]

JUST IN: Hong Kong Civil Aviation Dept to CNN: pilots spotted "large solid debris" in Sth China Sea. No proof it's from missing jetliner.

Man, you just placed TV ahead of pprune!

[laobali]

All seems to point to a very cleverly planned hijack with at least one government responsible or in the know

Right. What could possibly be gained by a government hijacking a Malaysian civilian airliner? Malaysia is a muslim nation, so not likely to be Islamic affiliated hijackers. The Chinese don't do things like this. They never have. Malaysia is looked on favourably in the middle east and region, so it is doubtful any of those nations would have done this. Even the North Koreans would not target a Malaysian airplane. Nothing whatsoever points to a hijacking. Nothing,

Except that certain persons would have believed it was a Chinese aircraft with a China Southern flight number.

I haven't ruled out hijacking - with or without crew collusion.

Another forum's poster:

"From the comments so far it seems that there would be some sort of transponder signal even if the plane was disintegrated. If this is the case hijack was a real possibility. Where can the plane land without detection?

I am thinking if someone's up to no good then they would make sure they pick the best pilot out there who can expertly manoeuvre the plane to where ever they want to go."

Do many 777 captains spend their off-duty time at a sophisticated flight 777 simulator with 3 widescreen panoramic monitors at home? (published on Facebook)

[Chicog]

JUST IN: Hong Kong Civil Aviation Dept to CNN: pilots spotted "large solid debris" in Sth China Sea. No proof it's from missing jetliner.

Man, you just placed TV ahead of pprune!

A Tweet posted on the Guardian feed.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/11/mh370-malaysia-airlines-plane-search-continues-live

Edited March 11, 2014 by Chicog

[Lite Beer]

RT@MalcolmMoore: Malaysia police chief says first person on stolen passport is 19-year-old Iranian and unlikely to be a terrorist MH370

[phuketrichard]

Live on CNN

19 year old Iranian traveling on one of the stolen passport, arrived on 28th of Feb into Malaysia, stamped in ( not likely terrorists , trying to migrate to Germany)

????

1. If it was highjacked, where did it land an why no demands

2. sabotage; then there looking in the wrong place

3. Personal problems between crew and or passengers??

4. Psychological problems ( gives the scenario that one of the passengers brought a huge insurance policy an

and more side stepping and evasive answers.

Edited March 11, 2014 by phuketrichard

[noddy77]

I live near the airport in Sri lanka, i heard fighter jets liften now and went to the east . Its first time i hear them start from here since the war ended.. Can it be so they now the investigators have told the countries around malaccan straits to to check the Indian ocean terretories?

Yesterday i was in the province of Korat and i hear a lot of planes......but i know think that were from the nearest military bases.But maybe i am wrong

Korat has an Air Force training base. Often jets flying around there.

[schondie]

RT@MalcolmMoore: Malaysia police chief says first person on stolen passport is 19-year-old Iranian and unlikely to be a terrorist MH370

Too much emphasis has been put on the two stolen passports. Human traffickers or a drug gang rather than terrorists. An embarrassing situation for all the Malays involved at the airport.

After 9/11 aeroplane cockpit security became much safer.

[bubba]

Another Malaysian presser just now and some interesting new info:

One of the stolen passport travellers was a 19 year old Iranian. Malaysian police do not believe he had any terrorist links, and his intent was illegal migration to Germany. His mother was awaiting his arrival at Frankfort airport, and she called in to Malaysian authorities when she learned of the news.

Seems fairly certain that this passenger was not planning to go down with the aircraft.

[mcfester]

Understood, thanks for the clarity (more than the Malaysian authorities can do!)

Too right, its a joke how this search is being handled. If they dispatched low flying aircraft they could confirm or not about this debris within hours, and then dispatch ships or not.

Military choppers now flying over Samui, maybe getting involved with the search.

[Tywais]

Tuesday, March 11, 11:15 AM MYT +0800 Malaysia Airlines MH370 Flight Incident - 11th Media Statement

As we enter into Day 4, the aircraft is yet to be found.

The search and rescue teams (SAR) have expanded the scope beyond the flight path to the West Peninsular of Malaysia at the Straits of Malacca. The authorities are looking at a possibility of an attempt made by MH370 to turn back to Subang. All angles are being looked at. We are not ruling out any possibilities.

The mission is aided by various countries namely Australia, China, Thailand, Indonesia, Singapore, Vietnam, Philippines and the United States of America. The assets deployed to cover the search and rescue is extensive. In total there are nine aircraft and 24 vessels deployed on this mission.

Apart from the search in the sea, search on land in between these areas is also conducted.

The search and rescue teams have analysed debris and oil slick found in the waters. It is confirmed that it does not belong to MH370.

malaysiaairlines

[SeaVisionBurma]

As this thread is getting very long already, and to stop it going off the rails, can everybody please note the following:

- Don't re-post old news/links/updates. Too many old stories from 1-2 days earlier getting re-posted. Take the time to read through the thread and only add something if it is new and relevant

- Off topic posts will be removed

- Watch your language - any more profanity and inappropriate language in this thread will earn a warning and possibly a suspension.

- Wild whacky conspiracy theorists please head elsewhere. Seriously.

[bubba]

Another Malaysian presser just now and some interesting new info:

One of the stolen passport travellers was a 19 year old Iranian. Malaysian police do not believe he had any terrorist links, and his intent was illegal migration to Germany. His mother was awaiting his arrival at Frankfort airport, and she called in to Malaysian authorities when she learned of the news.

Seems fairly certain that this passenger was not planning to go down with the aircraft.

I might also add that the Malaysian Chief of Police, who was heading the presser, was laughing and joking his way through the event. Personally, I find this unprofessional and offensive, given the nature of this tragedy and the loss of life.

[Don Johan Negombo]

Intresting article

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2014/03/11/mh370-logic-says-this-isnt-mystery-its-claimed-to-be/

Edited March 11, 2014 by SeaVisionBurma
fixed broken link

[Tywais]

As related to satellite imagery:

DigitalGlobe launches crowdsource search for missing Malaysian plane

DigitalGlobe is enlisting the crowd to scan and tag images of more than 1,200 square miles of ocean for any visible evidence that could help locate the Malaysia Airlines 777 aircraft that went missing this weekend.

The Longmont-based earth-imagery company deployed its FirstLook service on Sunday, directing two of its five satellites to snap photos of the area in the Gulf of Thailand, where investigators suspected the plane may have crashed, and then activated its crowdsourcing platform, Tomnod, on Monday afternoon.

Flight MH370, with 239 people on board, lost communication while on its way to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur. The missing plane continued to perplex investigators from around the globe three days later.

"If there is something to see on the surface (of the water), we will see it. But the question is if we are looking in the right area," said Luke Barrington, DigitalGlobe's senior manager of geospatial big data.

As each new theory led to a new dead end, the company recalibrated its action plan based on the Malaysian government's new area of focus, north and east of oil slicks reported soon after the plane went missing.

DigitalGlobe activates FirstLook — used by emergency-response agencies in natural disasters, manmade crises and human interest scenarios — about twice a week, while Tomnod is used more selectively and for different reasons, Barrington said.

"We try to use the crowd wisely and not tire them out," he said. "The story here is much more about the search than it is about the response. This whole feeling of not knowing, the lack of information or ability to do anything, we have seen time and again, is why people want to get involved."

Within the first hour Monday afternoon, the Tomnod map had 60,000 page views with more than a thousand tags. Ten minutes later, that was up to nearly 2,000.

Read more: DigitalGlobe launches crowdsource search for missing Malaysian plane - The Denver Post

[tx22cb]

Live on CNN

19 year old Iranian traveling on one of the stolen passport, arrived on 28th of Feb into Malaysia, stamped in ( not likely terrorists , trying to migrate to Germany)

????

1. If it was highjacked, where did it land an why no demands

2. sabotage; then there looking in the wrong place

3. Personal problems between crew and or passengers??

4. Psychological problems ( gives the scenario that one of the passengers brought a huge insurance policy an

and more side stepping and evasive answers.

Another (remote) possibility to account for sudden loss of communication and disappearance from radar:

5. struck by a missile or a tiny asteroid

[laolover88]

So, now, The Police Chief says The Aviation Chief is not telling the truth and there were no such 5 people who did

not board the plane? When one of their names was broadcast? Oh Come On!

Beginning to sound like a country we know and love

And the so called 'Press Conference' was a farce. I know people laugh when they are embarrassed; but really Malaysia isbecoming a laughing stock.

Edited March 11, 2014 by laolover88

[mcfester]

I'm amazed that (and Interpol are also) passports are not checked on the Interpol stolen database at checkin at every airport in the world.

They get scanned, how much time would it take to check a database? Miliseconds.

Edited March 11, 2014 by mcfester

[balo]

Another theory we have to look at is if the pilots and the passengers lost consciousness due to a sudden pressure change caused by a broken window or a part of the airplane structure .

Then the plane would continue slowly down until it would hit the ocean , maybe hundreds of miles away from where they are searching for it.

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