Missing Malaysia Airlines jet carrying 239 triggers Southeast Asia search

[Carmine6]

a billion batteries flown each year so its about the same as a plane being struck by lightning ,as i said a red herring ,but theres those who try to make out its important and caused a fire .

diddlysquat alarmists clutching at straws and dismissed by the experts .

they were NOT in use and stored according to CAO

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These are not regarded as dangerous goods...and were packed as recommended by the International Civil Aviation Organisation," Mr Yahya said.

The batteries have been known to explode when in use due to a process known as "thermal runaway" caused by the electric current getting stuck in an excited loop, leading to overheating.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2014/03/22/15/14/mh370-carried-potentially-dangerous-battery-cargo

Well let's do a scenario.

• Some kind of fire in the cargo.
• Coincidentally, it occurs right at hand off to Vietnamese ATC. So Malaysian ATC attention turns to other flights and no one notices the transponder loss. Even worse, they are now on the wrong frequency to report to Malaysian ATC.
• The pilots or others smell the smoke, but it is not initially significant.
• Either the fire takes out something that stops the transponder and ACARS, or the crew starts shutting things down to try to isolate the source of the fire. Or a combination. They suspect an electrical source as a system has gone out or off, or they assume that is the source as it is clearly plastic burning.
• Concurrently, they begin the plan to turn back as a precaution, but still believe they can deal with the problem.
• At some point they turn back because the situation appears worse. Either they know it isn't just one of the electrical systems, or things are getting worse. But haven't alerted anyone over the radio, except possibly that other plane that was on the same frequency that claimed garbled contact.
• Having turned back, they continue shutting down systems and trying to stop a fire they can't actually stop. But any radio attempts go unheard as they are on the wrong frequency and flying too far from other aircraft on the same frequency, which are all too far away near Vietnam.
• The toxic fumes start to interfere with their mental abilities, but because the smoke didn't appear significant, they had not put on oxygen masks or smoke hoods. Or they put them on too late, after the toxic fumes have already affected them.
• They try to fly manually, having turned around and nearing Malaysia, but the toxic fumes had impaired their motor skills and awareness.
• While trying manual control, they unintentionally make significant changes in altitude and direction due to the impairment, followed by corrective action. Or the fire had impacted control systems to where they aren't getting the responses they intended from the controls.
• Realizing they are impaired, they go back on autopilot and pick waypoints northwest, keeping over water and not wanting to fly over Indonesia or other populated areas.
• Having put their oxygen masks on at some point, or after the fire has self extinguished, one eventually gets enough oxygen and regains semi-consciousness, but is still impaired. In this confused state, he remembers they are trying to go southwest back to Malaysia, and turns the autopilot to a southwest heading.
• Plane continues flying that track until the fuel is exhausted.

• Alternatively, they are incapacitated earlier and while still heading southwest actually do fly over Indonesia. But those working radar there or higher up, ignore it or don't notice it. Then, since they had already reported they had seen nothing, continue to maintain that story.

Maybe possible. But the chain of events required for them to be alarmed enough to turn back, yet not report that over the radio seems highly unlikely. (Though they are on the wrong frequency to start with. But then wouldn't someone hear them, even if it were far away? Not sure.) They would have to be confused, incapacitated, or dealing with urgent issues right then. And then continue to be that distracted, occupied, or incapacitated, including the time after the plane seems to have resumed stable flight at altitude, heading northwest. Then would have to make the turn to the southwest, seemingly due to human intervention some time later. Again without making any radio contact, though perhaps they were trying and just didn't realize they weren't on the right frequency for anyone that could hear them.

And the fire would have had to have been enough to cause either electrical problems, or enough toxic smoke that it go into the cockpit to incapacitate the pilots, but not enough to have brought the plane down in the 8 hours until the fuel ran out. That seems quite a needle to thread. Past fires seem to either be minor enough to deal with, or out of control very fast.

Edited March 22, 2014 by Carmine6

[chooka]

Small debris spotted from Aust aircraft:PM

An Australian plane has spotted small pieces of debris in the southern Indian Ocean but Prime Minister Tony Abbott says it's too early to be sure if they are from the missing Malaysia Airlines plane.

Mr Abbott gave an update on the search for Flight MH370 before leaving Papua New Guinea on Sunday morning.

Hours earlier China released a grainy March 18 satellite image of an object measuring 22.5 metres by 13 metres, just 120km from where possible wreckage was detected in the ocean two days earlier, about 2500km southwest of Perth.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/03/23/02/55/plane-search-to-resume-as-image-gives-hope

[boomerangutang]

Any follow-up to the Malaysian woman (on a flight from Chennei, Inda - to KL) who, looking out the plane's window, claims she clearly saw a ditched plane in the sea?

[slipperylobster]

I think this thing's in a hanger somewhere.

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I figure that we are being misled by all these debris sightings and the media is just pulling at straws. Whatever information is actually being kept under wraps is probably so sensitive, as to cause great harm to intelligence sources.

Perhaps in a Hangar.....perhaps a hostage situation ...kept under wraps to ensure no harm is done to passengers?

At this point ...I agree it was successfully pulled off.....whatever the plan was. And the airplane is somewhere parked.....

I do not believe the Zombie flight scenario.

[Cobragold]

Initial investigation in to the Silk Air disaster claimed suicide. Subsequent lawsuit indicated it was mechanical problem in the tail section. Both sides of the discussion are convincing, so it's difficult (for some of us) to decide which is correct.

http://en.wikipedia....kAir_Flight_185

A very little known fact is that on the very same day in 1979, cpt tsu was part of a 4 ship A4 sortie at Clark AFB in the Philippines , on start up he has some aircraft problem and did not fly. The remaining 3 aircraft crashed into the mountains at crow valley range.

Edited March 23, 2014 by Cobragold

[Cobragold]

Latest from UK

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2587064/Probe-mystery-call-captain-doomed-jet-Unknown-woman-used-fake-ID-buying-phone-bypass-security-checks.html

[bkkjames]

Latest from UK

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2587064/Probe-mystery-call-captain-doomed-jet-Unknown-woman-used-fake-ID-buying-phone-bypass-security-checks.html

latest from the daily mail you mean.

[hawker9000]

'Just wondering out loud....

...and what do you do when this plane that's been off the grid for many weeks suddenly pops up on radar near some big city or sensitive area, and (maybe) checks in urgently requesting clearance, permission to enter or transit your airspace or to land, with all passengers & crew onboard (maybe saying some needing assistance), maybe claiming a low fuel state or with airframe damage (or whatever)? Lots of similar scenarios; you get the idea.

Do you allow him to continue, give him the clearance, try & divert him (& hope he complies), try & launch fighters, shoot him down, or what??

Could be legit, OR could be carrying a plane full of explosives, WMD, or planning to deviate on an approach at the last minute and fly into something, or pax all infected with anthrax... Who knows? What would you do? You might not have much time to decide, make phonecalls, etc. No hostage negotiators, no delta force, Oprah not taking calls. What would you do?

[sms747]

Any follow-up to the Malaysian woman (on a flight from Chennei, Inda - to KL) who, looking out the plane's window, claims she clearly saw a ditched plane in the sea?

She claims to have spotted it from several miles up in the sky, clearly not possible.

[steven100]

10:15am Australian local time

Australian civilian plane spots what may be wreckage ....

"Yesterday one of our civilian search aircraft got visuals of a number of objects in a fairly small area in the overall Australian search zone," the prime minister told reporters.

A wooden pallet was among the items, he said.

"Obviously before we can be too specific about what it might be, we need to recover this material. It's still too early to be definite," he said.

This seems to be the answer. Now we await confirmation.

[BKKBrit]

Ok....let's clear up the case of the Malaysian woman who claims to have seen an aircraft ditched between Chennai and the Nicobar Islands.

• She was on a Saudi Arabian flight that originated in Saudi and flying back to KL.
• She said she saw what looked like an aircraft with tail in the ocean at around 08:30am Malaysian time on the 8th. "It was a silvery thing that looked like a plane"
• She noted the time and location from the IFE monitors in the cabin.
• She claims she never sleeps on planes and spends her time looking out of the window.
• She reported it to the Saudi stewardess who told her to shut the blinds and didn't believe her.
• On arrival at KLIA at 4pm on the 8th she told her waiting family what she had seen. Her family told her that just that same morning, MH370 had been listed as missing by Malaysian Airlines.
• On her return home in the southern state of Johor, she filed a police report that afternoon...the 8th March.

No one....remember no one....on the 8th March was remotely thinking that the aircraft had diverted west. Everyone was scrambling to look for the aircraft in the South China Sea/Gulf of Thailand region - NOT in the Andaman sea or Indian Ocean. It was several days before that theory was firmed up. And until she was in the terminal at KLIA, there was no way to know that MH370 was missing.

She was that sure of what she had seen that she filed a police report. Further, for those of you saying it's impossible to see a plane from 35,000 feet....next time, look up at the skies and if you see contrails, you will also spot the aircraft and also be able to see if it has 2, 3 or 4 engines. It is not beyond the possibility that she did see something. And you can clearly see aircraft landing from many miles away.

Edited March 23, 2014 by BKKBrit

[mcfester]

Time is running out, the pingers last thirty days but they only have a couple of days to find a search area to start a sub-surface hydrophone search, any later than a couple of days the batteries will be dead by the time the ships that have this technology arrive in the area.

They obviuosly didn't learn anything from the France Air crash that took two years to locate the FDR, surely a pinger that pings every ten seconds and lasts three hundred days is better than one that pings every second for thirty days.

[JesseFrank]

Ok....let's clear up the case of the Malaysian woman who claims to have seen an aircraft ditched between Chennai and the Nicobar Islands.

• She was on a Saudi Arabian flight that originated in Saudi and flying back to KL.
• She said she saw what looked like an aircraft with tail in the ocean at around 08:30am Malaysian time on the 8th. "It was a silvery thing that looked like a plane"
• She noted the time and location from the IFE monitors in the cabin.
• She claims she never sleeps on planes and spends her time looking out of the window.
• She reported it to the Saudi stewardess who told her to shut the blinds and didn't believe her.
• On arrival at KLIA at 4pm on the 8th she told her waiting family what she had seen. Her family told her that just that same morning, MH370 had been listed as missing by Malaysian Airlines.
• On her return home in the southern state of Johor, she filed a police report that afternoon...the 8th March.

No one....remember no one....on the 8th March was remotely thinking that the aircraft had diverted west. Everyone was scrambling to look for the aircraft in the South China Sea/Gulf of Thailand region - NOT in the Andaman sea or Indian Ocean. It was several days before that theory was firmed up. And until she was in the terminal at KLIA, there was no way to know that MH370 was missing.

She was that sure of what she had seen that she filed a police report. Further, for those of you saying it's impossible to see a plane from 35,000 feet....next time, look up at the skies and if you see contrails, you will also spot the aircraft and also be able to see if it has 2, 3 or 4 engines. It is not beyond the possibility that she did see something. And you can clearly see aircraft landing from many miles away.

next time, look up at the skies and if you see contrails, you will also spot the aircraft and also be able to see if it has 2, 3 or 4 engines. It is not beyond the possibility that she did see something. And you can clearly see aircraft landing from many miles away.

Think there is a difference between many miles and 6600 miles . My guess is that a pilot knows if you can see something 6600 miles below, as he is in that position on a daily base.

[GentlemanJim]

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Ok....let's clear up the case of the Malaysian woman who claims to have seen an aircraft ditched between Chennai and the Nicobar Islands.

• She was on a Saudi Arabian flight that originated in Saudi and flying back to KL.
• She said she saw what looked like an aircraft with tail in the ocean at around 08:30am Malaysian time on the 8th. "It was a silvery thing that looked like a plane"
• She noted the time and location from the IFE monitors in the cabin.
• She claims she never sleeps on planes and spends her time looking out of the window.
• She reported it to the Saudi stewardess who told her to shut the blinds and didn't believe her.
• On arrival at KLIA at 4pm on the 8th she told her waiting family what she had seen. Her family told her that just that same morning, MH370 had been listed as missing by Malaysian Airlines.
• On her return home in the southern state of Johor, she filed a police report that afternoon...the 8th March.

No one....remember no one....on the 8th March was remotely thinking that the aircraft had diverted west. Everyone was scrambling to look for the aircraft in the South China Sea/Gulf of Thailand region - NOT in the Andaman sea or Indian Ocean. It was several days before that theory was firmed up. And until she was in the terminal at KLIA, there was no way to know that MH370 was missing.

She was that sure of what she had seen that she filed a police report. Further, for those of you saying it's impossible to see a plane from 35,000 feet....next time, look up at the skies and if you see contrails, you will also spot the aircraft and also be able to see if it has 2, 3 or 4 engines. It is not beyond the possibility that she did see something. And you can clearly see aircraft landing from many miles away.

next time, look up at the skies and if you see contrails, you will also spot the aircraft and also be able to see if it has 2, 3 or 4 engines. It is not beyond the possibility that she did see something. And you can clearly see aircraft landing from many miles away.

Think there is a difference between many miles and 6600 miles . My guess is that a pilot knows if you can see something 6600 miles below, as he is in that position on a daily base.

Sorry, I havent had enough coffee yet. Why is it 6,600 miles below?

[MJP]

Contagion. How about a deadly contagion on board and now it's in quarantine?

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[GentlemanJim]

Contagion. How about a deadly contagion on board and now it's in quarantine?

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Or snakes on planes. When was the contagion discovered? How does anyone know if there was a contagion if the pilots never used the radio? Apart from having his own simulator was the Captain a closet microbiologist? Who has got them, how did they get the contagion.

[mcfester]

'Just wondering out loud....

...and what do you do when this plane that's been off the grid for many weeks suddenly pops up on radar near some big city or sensitive area, and (maybe) checks in urgently requesting clearance, permission to enter or transit your airspace or to land, with all passengers & crew onboard (maybe saying some needing assistance), maybe claiming a low fuel state or with airframe damage (or whatever)? Lots of similar scenarios; you get the idea.

Do you allow him to continue, give him the clearance, try & divert him (& hope he complies), try & launch fighters, shoot him down, or what??

Could be legit, OR could be carrying a plane full of explosives, WMD, or planning to deviate on an approach at the last minute and fly into something, or pax all infected with anthrax... Who knows? What would you do? You might not have much time to decide, make phonecalls, etc. No hostage negotiators, no delta force, Oprah not taking calls. What would you do?

A country like UK or USA would shoot it down before it reached land, these countries around here won't even see it untill its too late, like several days later.

[JesseFrank]

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Ok....let's clear up the case of the Malaysian woman who claims to have seen an aircraft ditched between Chennai and the Nicobar Islands.

• She was on a Saudi Arabian flight that originated in Saudi and flying back to KL.
• She said she saw what looked like an aircraft with tail in the ocean at around 08:30am Malaysian time on the 8th. "It was a silvery thing that looked like a plane"
• She noted the time and location from the IFE monitors in the cabin.
• She claims she never sleeps on planes and spends her time looking out of the window.
• She reported it to the Saudi stewardess who told her to shut the blinds and didn't believe her.
• On arrival at KLIA at 4pm on the 8th she told her waiting family what she had seen. Her family told her that just that same morning, MH370 had been listed as missing by Malaysian Airlines.
• On her return home in the southern state of Johor, she filed a police report that afternoon...the 8th March.

No one....remember no one....on the 8th March was remotely thinking that the aircraft had diverted west. Everyone was scrambling to look for the aircraft in the South China Sea/Gulf of Thailand region - NOT in the Andaman sea or Indian Ocean. It was several days before that theory was firmed up. And until she was in the terminal at KLIA, there was no way to know that MH370 was missing.

She was that sure of what she had seen that she filed a police report. Further, for those of you saying it's impossible to see a plane from 35,000 feet....next time, look up at the skies and if you see contrails, you will also spot the aircraft and also be able to see if it has 2, 3 or 4 engines. It is not beyond the possibility that she did see something. And you can clearly see aircraft landing from many miles away.

next time, look up at the skies and if you see contrails, you will also spot the aircraft and also be able to see if it has 2, 3 or 4 engines. It is not beyond the possibility that she did see something. And you can clearly see aircraft landing from many miles away.

Think there is a difference between many miles and 6600 miles . My guess is that a pilot knows if you can see something 6600 miles below, as he is in that position on a daily base.

Sorry, I havent had enough coffee yet. Why is it 6,600 miles below?

Because they mentioned that the plane flew at 35000 Feet at the location where the woman claimed to have seen the plane.

My online converter says that 35.000 foot = 6.6287879 Mile

[MJP]

Contagion. How about a deadly contagion on board and now it's in quarantine?

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Or snakes on planes. When was the contagion discovered? How does anyone know if there was a contagion if the pilots never used the radio? Apart from having his own simulator was the Captain a closet microbiologist? Who has got them, how did they get the contagion.

Well, it's no more implausable than the present situation where a large passenger jet just disappears.

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[osten]

Think there is a difference between many miles and 6600 miles . My guess is that a pilot knows if you can see something 6600 miles below, as he is in that position on a daily base.

Huh? Did I miss something here?

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[JesseFrank]

Think there is a difference between many miles and 6600 miles . My guess is that a pilot knows if you can see something 6600 miles below, as he is in that position on a daily base.

Huh? Did I miss something here?

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My mistake, because confusion between dots and commas , used differently in different countries.

Anyway 35000 feet is a distance you can't recognize a maybe 50 meter long object.

[EyesWideOpen]

Sigh......would posters please stop posting theories about the USA shooting the plane down ??

I guess hatred of the USA goes far deeper than I thought if people are willing to embarrass

themselves with an idiotic theory like that.

[GentlemanJim]

Think there is a difference between many miles and 6600 miles . My guess is that a pilot knows if you can see something 6600 miles below, as he is in that position on a daily base.

Huh? Did I miss something here?

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My mistake, because confusion between dots and commas , used differently in different countries.

Anyway 35000 feet is a distance you can't recognize a maybe 50 meter long object.

So you have gone from 6600 miles to 6.6 miles without doing a gross error check in your head to see if 6600 miles made sense before you posted it. (considering the Space shuttle only orbited at 200 miles )

You are now telling us that you cannot recognise an aircraft at 35000 ft. Jeez all those hours I spent doing aircraft recce on Russian enemy aircraft at 10-20 miles must have been a spoof. Sometimes you need to engage brain before fingers and when you get it wrong just admit it. There is no shame in being wrong, the shame is in trying to stick with your bunkum idea when you know you are wrong.

[harrry]

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Ok....let's clear up the case of the Malaysian woman who claims to have seen an aircraft ditched between Chennai and the Nicobar Islands.

• She was on a Saudi Arabian flight that originated in Saudi and flying back to KL.
• She said she saw what looked like an aircraft with tail in the ocean at around 08:30am Malaysian time on the 8th. "It was a silvery thing that looked like a plane"
• She noted the time and location from the IFE monitors in the cabin.
• She claims she never sleeps on planes and spends her time looking out of the window.
• She reported it to the Saudi stewardess who told her to shut the blinds and didn't believe her.
• On arrival at KLIA at 4pm on the 8th she told her waiting family what she had seen. Her family told her that just that same morning, MH370 had been listed as missing by Malaysian Airlines.
• On her return home in the southern state of Johor, she filed a police report that afternoon...the 8th March.

No one....remember no one....on the 8th March was remotely thinking that the aircraft had diverted west. Everyone was scrambling to look for the aircraft in the South China Sea/Gulf of Thailand region - NOT in the Andaman sea or Indian Ocean. It was several days before that theory was firmed up. And until she was in the terminal at KLIA, there was no way to know that MH370 was missing.

She was that sure of what she had seen that she filed a police report. Further, for those of you saying it's impossible to see a plane from 35,000 feet....next time, look up at the skies and if you see contrails, you will also spot the aircraft and also be able to see if it has 2, 3 or 4 engines. It is not beyond the possibility that she did see something. And you can clearly see aircraft landing from many miles away.

next time, look up at the skies and if you see contrails, you will also spot the aircraft and also be able to see if it has 2, 3 or 4 engines. It is not beyond the possibility that she did see something. And you can clearly see aircraft landing from many miles away.

Think there is a difference between many miles and 6600 miles . My guess is that a pilot knows if you can see something 6600 miles below, as he is in that position on a daily base.

Sorry, I havent had enough coffee yet. Why is it 6,600 miles below?

Think we have feet inches miles mixed with metres

[coma]

The Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 captain answered a mysterious call before take-off from a woman who bought a mobile phone using a fake identity, a new report claims.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2014/03/23/16/20/phone-sim-card-link-to-mh370-pilot

[GentlemanJim]

The Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 captain answered a mysterious call before take-off from a woman who bought a mobile phone using a fake identity, a new report claims.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2014/03/23/16/20/phone-sim-card-link-to-mh370-pilot

So was he having an affair with a married woman in a muslim nation? Quite a few men and women have affairs/play around. What evidence is there to suggest the call was 'mysterious', rather than just "I love you, can't wait to see you at the weekend"? When was the phone bought? Terrorists would use it as a once only event and then destroy the phone. I don't think it's the crew, I think it's the aircraft.

Edited March 23, 2014 by theoldgit

[Carmine6]

Ok....let's clear up the case of the Malaysian woman who claims to have seen an aircraft ditched between Chennai and the Nicobar Islands.

• She was on a Saudi Arabian flight that originated in Saudi and flying back to KL.
• She said she saw what looked like an aircraft with tail in the ocean at around 08:30am Malaysian time on the 8th. "It was a silvery thing that looked like a plane"
• She noted the time and location from the IFE monitors in the cabin.
• She claims she never sleeps on planes and spends her time looking out of the window.
• She reported it to the Saudi stewardess who told her to shut the blinds and didn't believe her.
• On arrival at KLIA at 4pm on the 8th she told her waiting family what she had seen. Her family told her that just that same morning, MH370 had been listed as missing by Malaysian Airlines.
• On her return home in the southern state of Johor, she filed a police report that afternoon...the 8th March.

No one....remember no one....on the 8th March was remotely thinking that the aircraft had diverted west. Everyone was scrambling to look for the aircraft in the South China Sea/Gulf of Thailand region - NOT in the Andaman sea or Indian Ocean. It was several days before that theory was firmed up. And until she was in the terminal at KLIA, there was no way to know that MH370 was missing.

She was that sure of what she had seen that she filed a police report. Further, for those of you saying it's impossible to see a plane from 35,000 feet....next time, look up at the skies and if you see contrails, you will also spot the aircraft and also be able to see if it has 2, 3 or 4 engines. It is not beyond the possibility that she did see something. And you can clearly see aircraft landing from many miles away.

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/03/21/Woman-reports-sighting-jet-Raja-Dalelah-Im-convinced-I-saw-aircraft-near-Andaman-islands/

Interesting story, but I wonder about it. Unless there's been other articles, it is her account, without someone having gotten the police report she filed on the 8th to verify that one was filed, and what it said. Also, what about her family or friends' version of what she said that day, or on the plane?

Additionally, I've gone back and looked at photos that I've taken out the windows of planes during the day and it is extremely hard to make out any detail from that height. Even straight down, it is possible to identify that there's an boat or building or whatever, but hard to make out detail. Only toward landing do things get close enough to start seeing detail. She's 53. How good is her eyesight particularly after hours on a plane? What does she mean by wing and tail? Two separate pieces? One wing? One piece consisting of a wing, section of the fuselage, and the tail?

The article tries to show that he sighting could have been the plane and that it then drifted down to where they are searching now. But what to make of the satellite pings going all the way through 8:11 AM? That's a lot of flying time to just end up where she saw something. Assuming there was some way for the pings to continue in a ditched airplane that wasn't flying, the 8:11 AM arc is perhaps 1,000 miles away at best. I'm going by the map posted here, among others:

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/535538-malaysian-airlines-mh370-contact-lost-371.html#post8395168

So either she saw it and the satellite calculation is wrong. In which case they're looking in the completely wrong location now. Or she saw something that wasn't it.

[culicine]

Think there is a difference between many miles and 6600 miles . My guess is that a pilot knows if you can see something 6600 miles below, as he is in that position on a daily base.

Huh? Did I miss something here?

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My mistake, because confusion between dots and commas , used differently in different countries.

Anyway 35000 feet is a distance you can't recognize a maybe 50 meter long object.

What she saw, if anything, would have been barely a spec - no way you could tell if that object was a plane or not. made all the harder with atmospheric contaminants, water vapour, etc. Given the dimensions, a 50 m object would only give an angle to the vertical of 0.25 degrees to the vertical, at 35000 feet. I'm 99 percent certain she could not identify a plane, especially on partially submerged, at that altitude.

[tifino]

For the Crew Suicide/Nth Korea theorists - why wouldn't the culprit, after Off'ing the transponders, simply fly straight, and a bit to starboard for a Pyongyang overflight?

Anonymous missile flies, suicidal offender gets his wish, plane destroyed with minimal evidence, and the Nth Kimchis get blamed for it, and wife still gets her Insurance.

[sunshine51]

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Ok....let's clear up the case of the Malaysian woman who claims to have seen an aircraft ditched between Chennai and the Nicobar Islands.

• She was on a Saudi Arabian flight that originated in Saudi and flying back to KL.
• She said she saw what looked like an aircraft with tail in the ocean at around 08:30am Malaysian time on the 8th. "It was a silvery thing that looked like a plane"
• She noted the time and location from the IFE monitors in the cabin.
• She claims she never sleeps on planes and spends her time looking out of the window.
• She reported it to the Saudi stewardess who told her to shut the blinds and didn't believe her.
• On arrival at KLIA at 4pm on the 8th she told her waiting family what she had seen. Her family told her that just that same morning, MH370 had been listed as missing by Malaysian Airlines.
• On her return home in the southern state of Johor, she filed a police report that afternoon...the 8th March.

No one....remember no one....on the 8th March was remotely thinking that the aircraft had diverted west. Everyone was scrambling to look for the aircraft in the South China Sea/Gulf of Thailand region - NOT in the Andaman sea or Indian Ocean. It was several days before that theory was firmed up. And until she was in the terminal at KLIA, there was no way to know that MH370 was missing.

She was that sure of what she had seen that she filed a police report. Further, for those of you saying it's impossible to see a plane from 35,000 feet....next time, look up at the skies and if you see contrails, you will also spot the aircraft and also be able to see if it has 2, 3 or 4 engines. It is not beyond the possibility that she did see something. And you can clearly see aircraft landing from many miles away.

next time, look up at the skies and if you see contrails, you will also spot the aircraft and also be able to see if it has 2, 3 or 4 engines. It is not beyond the possibility that she did see something. And you can clearly see aircraft landing from many miles away.

Think there is a difference between many miles and 6600 miles . My guess is that a pilot knows if you can see something 6600 miles below, as he is in that position on a daily base.

Sorry, I havent had enough coffee yet. Why is it 6,600 miles below?

Think we have feet inches miles mixed with metres

Why don't we accept the poster made a mistake between 6.6 miles & 6600 miles and get on with life; although

it is a monumental mistake at that.

I have looked out of aircraft windows at many different altitudes, even from 41K feet over the Sahara Desert once,

and one can see a whole lotta stuff on the ground with the old MK1 Eyeball...without any special training. At 35K

feet I have seen ships of all types and aircraft below on different headings...fairly easy to even make out the

airline via logo or name...especially if it's a 747. So if this Malay lady says she saw what looked to her like part

of an aircraft and she has no reason to lie about what she saw does she....then why does everybody discount

her observation? Remember...it also fits in with what the villagers on an island in the Maldives said they saw and

heard...which was also quashed by the Mal MOT as BS....if it is BS, then how do they know that and why do the

Mal MOT deny MH370 was on a heading towards the Maldives? If the crew & pax were incapacitated (dead)

and the AP was in HDG SEL mode (heading select) wouldn't the aircraft continue in it's NW direction? If

not then why did the aircraft make a turn to port in excess of 150 degrees to put it in a Southerly direction?

Or did somebody turn the heading knob on the FMS panel instead?

About lithium batteries....there are really only 2 fire extinguishers to use on a lithium fire; Halon/Halon 1301

and this new one from the link I just found here...

http://www.safelincs.co.uk/thomas-glover-9kg-l2-powder-extinguisher/

Once the fire is out it is recommended to deluge the batteries in water to cool them down and keep them cool

to prevent reignition or explosion due to thermal runaway. Water on a burning lithium battery fire generates

hydrogen and when lithium burns by itself it generates oxygen...a receipe for disaster especially in a

pressurised aluminum alloy cigar at 35K feet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery

SAFO09013SUP.pdf

guidance_lithium_batteries.pdf