Premeditated murder: Yingluck, five others sued over Phan Fah clash

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PM, five others sued over Phan Fah clash
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BANGKOK, March 12 - Relatives of two anti-government protesters slain in the deadly clashes at Phan Fah Bridge nearly a month ago yesterday filed a criminal lawsuit against caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra and five others for premeditated murder.

Thanusak Rattanakot and Supoj Boonrung died from gunshot wounds during the deadly clashes between police and an unidentified armed group at Phan Fah Bridge on Feb 18 which left six people dead including both protesters and police.

Chaiwat Sitthisuksakul, a lawyer representing relatives of the two deceased protesters, filed the lawsuit with the Criminal Court against Ms Yingluck and five others including caretaker Labour Minister Chalerm Yubamrung in his capacity as director of the Center for Maintaining Peace and Order (CAPO) on premeditated murder charges for ordering police operations to disperse the protesters.

The lawyer said relatives of the other two protesters killed in the deadly clash had filed a criminal lawsuit against the caretaker premier and others on similar charges. Ms Yingluck could face more lawsuits from those injured and affected from the deadly dispersal. (MCOT online news)


-- TNA 2014-03-12

[thesetat2013]

With so many charges already against these people and more pending it will be a long time coming before these people will be able to walk without looking at each step they take.

With so many cases against them surely 1 will be won that will be enough to remove them from office and send them home with their tails between their legs. Then maybe this country can begin to move forward again.

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[chooka]

If you threaten or attack police anywhere in the world then expect them to respond.

[Thai at Heart]

They went after abhisit.

This was inevitable.

[chooka]

With so many charges already against these people and more pending it will be a long time coming before these people will be able to walk without looking at each step they take.

With so many cases against them surely 1 will be won that will be enough to remove them from office and send them home with their tails between their legs. Then maybe this country can begin to move forward again.

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Yes then replace them with others who also have mass murder charges hanging over their heads or will they drop the charges when they come to power. Is there any one left in Thailand at the moment who doesn't have charges hanging over them.

[tezzainoz]

Are they crazy

These people are far beyond the rule of Law

They have a god inforced right to rule no matter what they do

[Bluespunk]

If you threaten or attack police anywhere in the world then expect them to respond.

Respond, yes.

Murder, no.

[ChrisY1]

The families are hoping for some justice, but very doubtful anything will eventuate!

[noitom]

Puleeeze, this is tedious ad nauseam.

[MMarlow]

Puleeeze, this is tedious ad nauseam.

Glad that you've realised at last. Now please stop posting ad nauseam tediousness.

[Nickymaster]

Eye for an eye.

[northernjohn]

They went after abhisit.

This was inevitable.

They are such an ignorant lot. They set a precedent and then begin to commit the same acts and expect it to be OK.

Wouldn't it be interesting to hear from Yingluck's former collage what they think of her or if they are trying to forget they took her money and gave her a piece of paper.

I wonder what her fellow class mates think of her.

[RockyBeerbelly]

"Yingluck the Slaughterer of Phan Fah"

[Soutpeel]

If you threaten or attack police anywhere in the world then expect them to respond.

Exactly....so why are they charging Abhibsit for murder then ?

If his charges stand, then so should dear YK's

If they are all proven guilty lock them all up

Of course waiting on the typical red peanut gallery comment of Suthep is a fascist you know

[PepperMe]

With so many charges already against these people and more pending it will be a long time coming before these people will be able to walk without looking at each step they take.

With so many cases against them surely 1 will be won that will be enough to remove them from office and send them home with their tails between their legs. Then maybe this country can begin to move forward again.

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I dunno about sending any of them home. I think a very long prison sentence to serve as a deterrent would be the thing to do.

I am all in favour of it.

[bkkjames]

Hub of Lawsuits

[rickirs]

"Premeditated murder" is a murder committed by someone who

1) Has malice or desire to kill

2) Aware that one's actions will lead to the death of a victim or victims

3) Identifies the victim or victims

4) Plans the murder ahead by selecting the means of murder, the place, the time, and tracking the victim or victims to such planned place and time.

5) Plans evasion and escape

What happened at the Phan Fah clash was a spontaneous gun fight between the police and unknown armed assailants that resuled in the deaths of police, assailants, and civilians. How does that incident in anyway fit premeditated murder by government officials? If there was any premeditated murder it would be committed by the armed assailants. "Never say never" but for a charge and conviction against specified police and government officials there would have to be some extraordinary and uncontrovertable evidence that isn't typically found in the Thai judicial system.

[rubl]

"Premeditated murder" is a murder committed by someone who

1) Has malice or desire to kill

2) Aware that one's actions will lead to the death of a victim or victims

3) Identifies the victim or victims

4) Plans the murder ahead by selecting the means of murder, the place, the time, and tracking the victim or victims to such planned place and time.

5) Plans evasion and escape

What happened at the Phan Fah clash was a spontaneous gun fight between the police and unknown armed assailants that resuled in the deaths of police, assailants, and civilians. How does that incident in anyway fit premeditated murder by government officials? If there was any premeditated murder it would be committed by the armed assailants. "Never say never" but for a charge and conviction against specified police and government officials there would have to be some extraordinary and uncontrovertable evidence that isn't typically found in the Thai judicial system.

Dear Mr./Mrs. rickirs,

please be informed that we the legal representatives of K. Abhisit / Suthep will invite you as witness for the defense in the 'pre-meditated murder' trial against the two said gentlemen.

We really look forward to your statement in court and thank you for your cooperation.

With deep respect, yours truly,

B. Rubble, D.U.p.e.

[bigbamboo]

When a government is re established again most of the major players will be spending more time in court than in parliament.

[GentlemanJim]

"Premeditated murder" is a murder committed by someone who

1) Has malice or desire to kill

2) Aware that one's actions will lead to the death of a victim or victims

3) Identifies the victim or victims

4) Plans the murder ahead by selecting the means of murder, the place, the time, and tracking the victim or victims to such planned place and time.

5) Plans evasion and escape

What happened at the Phan Fah clash was a spontaneous gun fight between the police and unknown armed assailants that resuled in the deaths of police, assailants, and civilians. How does that incident in anyway fit premeditated murder by government officials? If there was any premeditated murder it would be committed by the armed assailants. "Never say never" but for a charge and conviction against specified police and government officials there would have to be some extraordinary and uncontrovertable evidence that isn't typically found in the Thai judicial system.

Exactly the same perplexing questions exist over the charges of premeditated murder brought against Abhisit and Suthep. The reality is , it is all crap and the only ones seeing any benefit out of even pressing any of these ridiculous charges (which can never be won) are the lawyers who get paid whatever the result. I feel sorry for the relatives of the unfortunate victims who have been persuaded to press ahead and finance these un-winable law suits just so the lawyers can order their next Mercedes.

[SICHONSTEVE]

If you threaten or attack police anywhere in the world then expect them to respond.

........and so, what?

I don't think that that will get them off the hook, do you?

Besides, if you attack soldiers and civilians then the army anywhere in the world would respond!!!

[SICHONSTEVE]

"Premeditated murder" is a murder committed by someone who

1) Has malice or desire to kill

2) Aware that one's actions will lead to the death of a victim or victims

3) Identifies the victim or victims

4) Plans the murder ahead by selecting the means of murder, the place, the time, and tracking the victim or victims to such planned place and time.

5) Plans evasion and escape

What happened at the Phan Fah clash was a spontaneous gun fight between the police and unknown armed assailants that resuled in the deaths of police, assailants, and civilians. How does that incident in anyway fit premeditated murder by government officials? If there was any premeditated murder it would be committed by the armed assailants. "Never say never" but for a charge and conviction against specified police and government officials there would have to be some extraordinary and uncontrovertable evidence that isn't typically found in the Thai judicial system.

I probably agree with point 1). only!!

[Thait Spot]

"Premeditated murder" is a murder committed by someone who

1) Has malice or desire to kill

2) Aware that one's actions will lead to the death of a victim or victims

3) Identifies the victim or victims

4) Plans the murder ahead by selecting the means of murder, the place, the time, and tracking the victim or victims to such planned place and time.

5) Plans evasion and escape

What happened at the Phan Fah clash was a spontaneous gun fight between the police and unknown armed assailants that resuled in the deaths of police, assailants, and civilians. How does that incident in anyway fit premeditated murder by government officials? If there was any premeditated murder it would be committed by the armed assailants. "Never say never" but for a charge and conviction against specified police and government officials there would have to be some extraordinary and uncontrovertable evidence that isn't typically found in the Thai judicial system.

I probably agree with point 1). only!!

I don't see the sense in taking an article from a Thai news paper with the offence translated into English and attempting to apply some vague western definition to it.

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[TVGerry]

LOL! It's amusing to read the responses of certain red sympathizers talking crap about this lawsuit. What goes around, comes around. If these idiots want to prosecute Abhisit or Suthep for the same thing, they can join them in the lawsuits also.

[Fat Haggis]

It's not about what you agree with, it's about what the definition of premeditated murder is, as defined by the law

[Pimay1]

Chickens.....home.....roost.

When the chickens come marching home again,
Hurrah! Hurrah!
We'll give them a hearty welcome then
Hurrah! Hurrah!
The men will cheer and the boys will shout
The ladies they will all turn out
And we'll all feel gay when the chickens come marching home.

[Baerboxer]

If you threaten or attack police anywhere in the world then expect them to respond.

Absolutely. And they should be expected to respond in accordance with the laws of that country.

[soalbundy]

she is obviously innocent,since when did she premeditate anything

[SICHONSTEVE]

It's not about what you agree with, it's about what the definition of premeditated murder is, as defined by the law

Who's definition is it because it isn't very concise and a lot of it is open to question??

For example - you are saying that if someone plans to kill some one and then simply stand there waiting for the police to come then that's not (by your definition) premeditated as they didn't plan an escape route.

[Fat Haggis]

Did she orders the Police to kill the protestors? No I think you'll find she said that refrain from using violence.

Whoever started the exchange of fire is responsible, the PM isn't resonsible for an individuals actions either, that's why there's a Chain of Command.

By you definition, then Barack Obama is resonsible for the hundreds of deaths of innocent Pakistani and Afghan villagers through drone strikes? (Some may argue he really is) but the Commanders on the ground were the ones who called the shots so to speak.

Neither Yingluck or Suthep and Abhisit will see the inside of a courtroom, but if one does, they all should, and they should all accept the responsibility of their decisions, not actions, but decisions.

The Generals and the Police Generals are every bit as gulity through association in my view, the ones who were on the ground at the time that is