German Chancellor Merkel warns of massive damage as Russia masses forces

[Mosha]

Russia is protecting its citizens against an unconstitutional government of neo Nazi thugs.

Bravo Mr. Putin.

Then maybe it's citizens should return to the motherland, and give Crimea back to the Tartars.

[hawker9000]

I think most of you have no idea why Russia is doing what they are doing. I believe (from everything I have read and researched) that the EU and US are placing in power another puppet government so they can bring in more nuclear missiles to line Russia's borders.

If we recollect, back in the early 60's Russia pulled the same stunt. Russia positioned nuclear missiles in Cuba and that did not go over well with the USA. It about started WWIII! Now, the EU and US are lining the borders of Russia with nuclear missiles and we expect Russia not to do ANYTHING!?!?! Russia is doing what is best for his country and I would expect your country would do the very same thing.

Huh???!!! Bizarre people in this world. No one is "now" lining any Ukranian Russian border with nuclear missiles. Time for your meds so you can crawl back under your rock. US does not need to line that border with any nuclear missiles.

Stop reading the Internet if that is the best research you can come up with. I can provide you with conclusive proof that Bigfoot is an alien based on research on the Internet. Love how the net and the whacky people posting on the net are educating the world and shaping the way impressionable people think.

Keep drinking your cool aid and believe the lies you get from the Main Street Media.

You might want to get educated about what is going on there in Ukraine.

"Neoconservatives are doing there best to put nuclear missiles within, figuratively speaking, pea-shooting distance of Moscow. If it happens, our militarized press will howl in support, citing the fact that the USSR put missiles on Cuban soil, so now it's our turn. The fact that Russia retreated will be a small footnote in their reporting. The USSR removed the missiles to avoid a nuclear war. What they will have to consider is that the US will likewise have to retreat in order to avoid a nuclear war."

http://www.articlesbase.com/politics-articles/ukraine-on-its-knees-us-nuclear-missiles-pea-shooter-distance-from-moscow-6938130.html

I believe the juice juiceberry is drinking prevents him from understanding the difference between BMD (ballistic missile defense - so someone who might just be fact-challenged doesn't have to look it up...) and offensive ballistic missiles. Even at that, Obama cancelled the plans to emplace those missile systems (in Poland; with radar sites to have been in the Czech Rep.) back in 2009. Putin had made a big fuss & Obama backed down (as you'd expect). There is a follow-on "phased" Aegis BMD plan for Poland, which isn't scheduled until 2018. These systems are actually intended for dealing with "rogue" states like Iran and N. Korea, not Russia (who of course has done everything possible to promote Iran's nuclear weapons program) or China (which while not exactly openly supportive, does nothing substantial to discourage N. Korea). The BMD program simply does not have the capability to contain massive missile strikes and thus is irrelevant to nuclear "parity" (or whatever you want to call it) between east & west. However, jb's attitude and rather, let us say, "lax" handling of the facts does I believe serve as an example of the aggressive mentality, misinformation, and conditioning many Russians suffer from and with which the west is going to have to deal. Putin has managed to crank up domestic public antagonism and ultra-nationalism toward the west to a fever pitch, not unlike his Soviet predecessors and a classic tactic from the authoritarian playbook. It would be a mistake to ignore this.

[TinoThailand]

Like I pointed out earlier it's not just some economic blabla the way told. The problem is me (the west). Arrogance, hypocrite, fascism and more. The west will push for war anyway. The obsession called "EU" where you can devalue whole nations for the gain of the 1% in other nations because we have just 1 coin, the Euro. You can't devalue the Euro against the same Euro!

USSA is exceptional like always and started shooting already, while the people clearly say to not have any business there. Well wrong, plenty business, Cold War, WW3. Stop waiting and voting for a solution, it's not going to happen and we all know we can be next (no matter what country you come from, staged terror, marshal law, corruption, jobless, food stamp-less, homeless. It's pure fiction to believe other help others to freedom while not building up your own country at all).

We have to be the solution and internet is the option, learn and resist peacefully.

[TinoThailand]

People have no clue what's going on, just like in Syria....

Thanks Tino for posting this video. I asked a Russian friend who's who in the video and it seems these guys are pretty well known Neo-Nazis. I guess the CIA & State Dept think they can get away with these regime change thing. I also noticed its quite similar to hw\\what they have done in Syria, Central America etc. The shooting of innocents by the Ne-Nazi and blaming it on the govt is classic CIA. Similar tatcics have been used in Bangkok, Thailand by the Red Shirts and in Egypt by the anti-Morsi clans.

Thank YOU for watching

[TinoThailand]

While they offer you blabla to fallow they plan the war anyway

[Jingthing]

While they offer you blabla to fallow they plan the war anyway

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Thanks for that!

That video portrays a CLASSIC example of the phenom described in this article --

The Pathetic Lives of Putin's American Dupes

Today’s Russia dupes are a smaller, more pathetic lot. Above all they are just plain weirder, because they lack a clear ideological motive for their stoogery. Soviet Russia not only commanded a vast propaganda network, but embodied a doctrine with international appeal (and which had originated outside of Russia). Vladimir Putin’s Russia follows no model except Russian nationalism. To the extent it employs a non-nationalist philosophy, its main idea is that gays have weakened Europe. And yet the dupes still come.

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The demise of communism has left a void in the place where socialist fervor once animated the Soviet dupes. In the absence of any positive motivating force, Putin’s Russia, which has positioned itself as America’s main rival, has sponged up whatever motley collection of outsiders it can find. Russia is not the vessel for their ideological fantasies, but merely a placeholder for their accumulated discontent.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/03/pathetic-lives-of-putins-american-dupes.html

Edited March 19, 2014 by Jingthing

[TinoThailand]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/03/17/crimea-ukraine-russia-ron-paul-editorials-debates/6544163/

[Jingthing]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/03/17/crimea-ukraine-russia-ron-paul-editorials-debates/6544163/

Ron Paul, radical "libertarian" with an anti-semitic and racist background (and the son who may well be the next president) lied about why the markets rallied.

This is the other (larger) "libertarian" radical ISOLATIONIST segment of pathetic Putin dupes in America.

This kind of sickness has a long history in the USA, going back the Nazi lover Henry Ford (of Ford motorcars).

They rallied because Putin has promised he wouldn't move to expand Russian aggression in OTHER areas of Ukraine in addition to Crimea (which was the easy one because of the unusually strong Russian demographics).

Russian Stocks Rally as Putin Says No Plans to Divide Ukraine

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-18/ruble-slides-as-putin-backs-crimea-accession-bid-micex-advances.html

Edited March 19, 2014 by Jingthing

[TinoThailand]

Economically speaking we hurt ourself much more by supporting the globalists. We can choose to shoot ourself in the head or foot every time we throw over other governments because it's against our own law!

They play you deep, deep down and screw you from any direction you're lot looking at.

BIG TWIST:

They make Putin look strong while he is claiming about 10% only of what was from them (technically speaking), while he is in fact the big loser.

They make Obama look weak while killing its own people, building a domestic army, change regimes in other countries and supports the mega banks and war machine.

(They always play you, "Chemical weapons were used in Syria!!"... This was never our question, the question was who and not if?)

[Jingthing]

As far as violence against non-Russians in Crimea, of course violence is expected now. The Russian ethnic people there are all pumped up with their victory. Why they had to fake a near majority is kind of odd, it was a rigged election, with massive over voting, and no options asked to keep connected to Ukraine, but given the demographics it's still clear the Russians would have won a fair election anyway. The Ukrainian soldiers still there are now seen as their official ENEMY. Putin doesn't have to order violence for all kinds of violence to occur in such a hot situation. The "others" there are the ethnic Ukrainians and the Tatars. There are 300,000 Tatars there and chances are most of them are now potential refugees to non-occupied Ukraine. Not sure what percentage of the 25 percent ethnic Ukrainians are going to be in danger now, of course some of them are probably pro Russia for a variety of reasons (most likely a perception of economic benefit). This isn't over. Ethnic cleansing of the Tatars is a fear and danger. Violence in other heavily Russian Ukrainian regions could be used as a new excuse by Putin to break his promise not to expand his invasion further than Crimea. This change in Crimea is arguably most tragic for the Tatars.

I have a question -- do people here actually BELIEVE Putin's promise that he doesn't have his eyes on expanding Russian territory beyond Crimea? I don't! I hope he keeps his promise but how can he be trusted after what he did in Crimea?

Edited March 19, 2014 by Jingthing

[TinoThailand]

Merkel in other words: Germany will have an economic breakdown soon... Mark my words :/

[Trembly]

Nope, I don't hate everything Russian. I do hate Putin and I don't believe the lies he uses to invade Ukraine. I hated Bush too ... did that mean I hated everything American? Russians should be smarter than to follow their dictator down this dark road. Again, he's not as smart or as strong as people think.

I do wish you'd stop trotting out that "Russia invaded Ukraine" line.

Even the briefest examination of Crimean history should make it clear that it was never really part of the Ukraine. Russia or no Russia, the Ukraine has been itching for divorce from the Ukraine ever since the 1950's.

At best it's like feeling insulted on behalf of people who don't even feel insulted.

Who thinks the Crimeans feel invaded?

Edited March 22, 2014 by Trembly

[Jingthing]

Nope, I don't hate everything Russian. I do hate Putin and I don't believe the lies he uses to invade Ukraine. I hated Bush too ... did that mean I hated everything American? Russians should be smarter than to follow their dictator down this dark road. Again, he's not as smart or as strong as people think.

I do wish you'd stop trotting out that "Russia invaded Ukraine" line.

Even the briefest examination of Crimean history should make it clear that it was never really part of the Ukraine. Russia or no Russia, the Ukraine has been itching for divorce from the Ukraine ever since the 1950's.

At best it's like feeling insulted on behalf of people who don't even feel insulted.

Who thinks the Crimeans feel invaded?

But you're wrong. Russia agreed in an international treaty to not mess with the borders of Ukraine (which DID include Crimea) in exchange for Ukraine giving up all nuclear weapons. If you're going back in history, give the entire joint to the Tatars, dude.

[Trembly]

Nope, I don't hate everything Russian. I do hate Putin and I don't believe the lies he uses to invade Ukraine. I hated Bush too ... did that mean I hated everything American? Russians should be smarter than to follow their dictator down this dark road. Again, he's not as smart or as strong as people think.

I do wish you'd stop trotting out that "Russia invaded Ukraine" line.

Even the briefest examination of Crimean history should make it clear that it was never really part of the Ukraine. Russia or no Russia, the Ukraine has been itching for divorce from the Ukraine ever since the 1950's.

At best it's like feeling insulted on behalf of people who don't even feel insulted.

Who thinks the Crimeans feel invaded?

But you're wrong. Russia agreed in an international treaty to not mess with the borders of Ukraine (which DID include Crimea) in exchange for Ukraine giving up all nuclear weapons. If you're going back in history, give the entire joint to the Tatars, dude.

I prefer to live in the present.

They had a referendum and voted to join Russia. End of. The Crimean people in the here-and-now have spoken.

Whichever way you try to cut it, no matter how many treaties you bring up, there's no getting away from the fact that the people who live there have made their wishes clear. If that logic was good enough for Kosovo then why isn't it good enough for Crimea?

The fact that the vast majority of Crimeans are ethnic Russians has been fete accompli for a long enough time to give them a legitimate claim to the Crimea, I think.

By the way, it is not my intention to minimize the Soviet decimation of the Tatars, but we have to deal with what we've got now. The Soviet policy of barring displaced Tatars from travelling back to the Crimea died with the Soviet Union, so if the Tatars wish to travel en masse back to Crimea and start an independence movement then I wish them good luck, but that's for a different thread.

Edited March 22, 2014 by Trembly

[Jingthing]

It is not the same as Kosovo. A foreign power wasn't stealing Kosovo. To suggest it's the same is simply Putin propaganda. Doesn't matter about ethnicity ... the land was Ukraine and Russia signed a treaty saying they wouldn't mess with it and they did. Yes wars have been starting for much less.

California is heavily Mexican, doesn't mean Mexico gets it back.

[marcusd]

Hawker9000 your are correct about the reports in the media re Putin enjoying great support. I lived in Russia 3 months. I have been going there 20 years pleasure and business. Many friends there. Yes years ago,putin did enjoy support. Now it is support by brutal force. He is despised by most but elections are Thai style with a kalishnakov added at the polling booths or if you vote for another

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[marcusd]

Nope, I don't hate everything Russian. I do hate Putin and I don't believe the lies he uses to invade Ukraine. I hated Bush too ... did that mean I hated everything American? Russians should be smarter than to follow their dictator down this dark road. Again, he's not as smart or as strong as people think.

I do wish you'd stop trotting out that "Russia invaded Ukraine" line.

Even the briefest examination of Crimean history should make it clear that it was never really part of the Ukraine. Russia or no Russia, the Ukraine has been itching for divorce from the Ukraine ever since the 1950's.

At best it's like feeling insulted on behalf of people who don't even feel insulted.

Who thinks the Crimeans feel invaded?

But you're wrong. Russia agreed in an international treaty to not mess with the borders of Ukraine (which DID include Crimea) in exchange for Ukraine giving up all nuclear weapons. If you're going back in history, give the entire joint to the Tatars, dude.

agreedjinthing and even so there ate a few nukes unnaciunted for. And just because they speak Russian was the excuse? Does that mean England can,invade to protect all peoples who speak English no matter where they are?

Putin is a KGB THUG

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[Trembly]

It is not the same as Kosovo. A foreign power wasn't stealing Kosovo. To suggest it's the same is simply Putin propaganda. Doesn't matter about ethnicity ... the land was Ukraine and Russia signed a treaty saying they wouldn't mess with it and they did. Yes wars have been starting for much less.

California is heavily Mexican, doesn't mean Mexico gets it back.

Was California forcibly given to the USA 60 years ago? I think not.

What would you say if the majority of Californians voted to join Mexico?

Edited March 22, 2014 by Trembly

[Trembly]

Nope, I don't hate everything Russian. I do hate Putin and I don't believe the lies he uses to invade Ukraine. I hated Bush too ... did that mean I hated everything American? Russians should be smarter than to follow their dictator down this dark road. Again, he's not as smart or as strong as people think.

I do wish you'd stop trotting out that "Russia invaded Ukraine" line.

Even the briefest examination of Crimean history should make it clear that it was never really part of the Ukraine. Russia or no Russia, the Ukraine has been itching for divorce from the Ukraine ever since the 1950's.

At best it's like feeling insulted on behalf of people who don't even feel insulted.

Who thinks the Crimeans feel invaded?

But you're wrong. Russia agreed in an international treaty to not mess with the borders of Ukraine (which DID include Crimea) in exchange for Ukraine giving up all nuclear weapons. If you're going back in history, give the entire joint to the Tatars, dude.

agreedjinthing and even so there ate a few nukes unnaciunted for. And just because they speak Russian was the excuse? Does that mean England can,invade to protect all peoples who speak English no matter where they are?

Putin is a KGB THUG

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I suggest you look up 'national self-determination'.

[losworld]

People have no clue what's going on, just like in Syria....

good points too many people brainwashed by the Western media they cannot think for themselves... at least people should try to see both sides and reach a logical conclusion not simply nod their heads and go back to the footballl game...

[Scott]

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