'Popcorn Gunman' supported by PDRC in Lak Si attack, police say

[binjalin]

"They should come because popcorn vendors have made popcorn for them," Suthep said, referring to the gunmen at the clash between the red shirts and PDRC protesters before election day. The clash saw some gunmen covering their rifles with popcorn bags.

"Natthawut Saikuar and Jatuporn Promphan should really come … I don't know these popcorn vendors but I really love them."

I don't know these popcorn vendors, but I EMPLOY THEM!

Yes, agreed. You have actually highlighted an aspect of the PDRC that is often misrepresented by the UDD supporters on TVF. That is that the PDRC are majority driven. An organization like the PDRC that is so extensive that Sutehp could not possibly know who all his "employees" are. Like Microsoft, Bill Gates won't be held to account for an employee's actions which in this case was defending innocent civilians against hardened terrorist criminals. Thank you Rich teacher for your highlighting this critical misunderstanding by your peers.

I am a big fan of Vivat for showing courage under fire to protect civilians that were being attacked by the red shirts terrorists overseen by the notorious Ko Tee who by the evident one sided accountability by thakins little helpers shows he acted with impunity. Where is Chalerm bringing Ko Tee to account? He was on the other side firing back at the defender of innocent protestors.

Nope? Forgot that principle of democracy again? Yep, thought so.

so funny, so ignorant so BIASED

[HonestQuietBob]

"They should come because popcorn vendors have made popcorn for them," Suthep said, referring to the gunmen at the clash between the red shirts and PDRC protesters before election day. The clash saw some gunmen covering their rifles with popcorn bags.

"Natthawut Saikuar and Jatuporn Promphan should really come … I don't know these popcorn vendors but I really love them."

I don't know these popcorn vendors, but I EMPLOY THEM!

Yes, agreed. You have actually highlighted an aspect of the PDRC that is often misrepresented by the UDD supporters on TVF. That is that the PDRC are majority driven. An organization like the PDRC that is so extensive that Sutehp could not possibly know who all his "employees" are. Like Microsoft, Bill Gates won't be held to account for an employee's actions which in this case was defending innocent civilians against hardened terrorist criminals. Thank you Rich teacher for your highlighting this critical misunderstanding by your peers.

I am a big fan of Vivat for showing courage under fire to protect civilians that were being attacked by the red shirts terrorists overseen by the notorious Ko Tee who by the evident one sided accountability by thakins little helpers shows he acted with impunity. Where is Chalerm bringing Ko Tee to account? He was on the other side firing back at the defender of innocent protestors.

Nope? Forgot that principle of democracy again? Yep, thought so.

There's a good chance Bill gates would know if his employees were out on the streets shooting at people with assault rifles and there's a better chance his reaction would be entirely different than Sutheps'.

Bill is ethical and has morals.

PDRC are majority driven?

If by majority you mean minority, then yes, you are correct.

How many principles of democracy are there again?

[firestar]

Mr. Popcorn said he's been with them for two months. Assuming they do not run a proper army-style training program, one doesn't acquire anything remotely operational level in this time frame. You're just not sent out to the front that quickly.

And again....they have quite a pool of potential shooters to choose from, somehow I don't see Mr. Popcorn as a natural candidate. Probably many got experience with firearms, some even army training. No sense in choosing a raw recruit and start teaching him how to shoot.

Never met anyone who was a natural shot from the minute he touched a firearm. Takes practice.

In other countries I would agree yes but, as the too old saying goes, this is Thailand. Remember the "professional" killer who shot two Russian ladies on Jomtiem beach and then calmly walked in 7-eleven to buy a coke because he thought his cap was enough to hide his face? Or the PDRC Monk guards pictured with weapons at Laksi who one week prior posted their picture on facebook?

Anyway, there is ZERO doubt this chap is the popcorn shooter.

Edited March 20, 2014 by firestar

[northernjohn]

Not even going to waste my time reading it.

I knew the minute I heard about it that the police would blame the PDRC.

[Morch]

Mr. Popcorn said he's been with them for two months. Assuming they do not run a proper army-style training program, one doesn't acquire anything remotely operational level in this time frame. You're just not sent out to the front that quickly.

And again....they have quite a pool of potential shooters to choose from, somehow I don't see Mr. Popcorn as a natural candidate. Probably many got experience with firearms, some even army training. No sense in choosing a raw recruit and start teaching him how to shoot.

Never met anyone who was a natural shot from the minute he touched a firearm. Takes practice.

In other countries I would agree yes but, as the too old saying goes, this is Thailand. Remember the "professional" killer who shot two Russian ladies on Jomtiem beach and then calmly walked in 7-eleven to buy a coke because he thought his cap was enough to hide his face? Or the PDRC Monk guards pictured with weapons at Laksi who one week prior posted their picture on facebook?

Anyway, there is ZERO doubt this chap is the popcorn shooter.

If you read my original post, you'd know I wasn't saying he isn't.

Just saying it seems odd they would choose him over more experienced people, or perhaps people who have been with them longer.

[Fat Haggis]

Now....out of 2000 guards, some surely with military experience, you hand out an m-16 (or Tavor, whatever) to someone who never handled a firearm before?

Seems a bit far-fetched. Would have thought they would keep those for trusted, experienced guards rather than a "green" newcomer.

Why does it seem far fetched, how do you think Armies teach their recruits? They hand them a nice big gun, and then start from basics some Instructors are anal, and it's all by the book, but some are more relaxed and will let you get a feel of the weapon, how it feels, the weight etc, before starting the serious business of teaching you how to shoot and kill.

An M16/Tavor/Any assault rifle isn't designed to shoot clay pigeons, they're designed to kill the enemy before he kills you, it really is that simple.

Mr. Popcorn said he's been with them for two months. Assuming they do not run a proper army-style training program, one doesn't acquire anything remotely operational level in this time frame. You're just not sent out to the front that quickly.

And again....they have quite a pool of potential shooters to choose from, somehow I don't see Mr. Popcorn as a natural candidate. Probably many got experience with firearms, some even army training. No sense in choosing a raw recruit and start teaching him how to shoot.

Never met anyone who was a natural shot from the minute he touched a firearm. Takes practice.

That's not quite accurate, I train local Nationals and I can get them to do basic weapons handling in a week, and in 2 weeks have them be able to pass the old British Army Weapons handling test, it really boils down to how much of a retention span the person under instruction has, the same guys I've seen and passed these test will also fail them after a week of not being trained also.

Shooting is a different story altogether, basic marksmanship principles in theory are easy to teach, but getting the student to actually hit something at the other end is like trying to teach a Chimp quantum physics at times.. "Mister Mister, weapon no good, something wrong with sights" ... oh yeah, let me see, and I can put a 2" grouping easily at 25M with their wonky weapon...

I have met quite a few naturals, only because they're able to apply all the principles, but none of them were locals!!

I'm sure that they do have a pool of good shooter, but how would they know this? How do you assess who's competent and who's not? That sounds more like you'd be training a Militia as opposed to "Security Guards" and of course, someone would be heading this training, and that person would/should also be accountable.

Any of the guys out here has an ND, firs thing they ask for is the training records, and when was the last time they did the tests, then they'll ask who was the instructor and he will then have to provide information as to whether the guy is competent or not.. Yeah, this is all very Western and Safety Orientated, and lots of duty of care involved, but when you're handling a weapon daily, in public, you had better be safe in doing so, but we're talking about Thailand here, where it doesn't seem paramount, add to this the guards are doing all of this with illegally held weapons and in violation of the Laws of the Land.

You take that risk, then you have to accept the risk of being caught at the same time.

I really don't understand how Farangs as guests in the country and PR's can justify this guys actions, which simply broke the law, it's not like he was littering the streets, or pissing in an Alleyway. The Laws may suck, but they are the Law and they're not open to interpretation or negotiation either.

[ikke]

Of course, the police will say.........

Red supporters to the bone.

Anything to accuse PDRC, nothing against their own.

The more I hear about them, the more I support Sutherp and his aim to reform this police force.

Reading your posts, from day one, you supported Suthep, and the more violent they get the more you support them.

The only aim Suthep has is the total power over this country. , hope the blinds will open the eyes soon.

[Fat Haggis]

Not even going to waste my time reading it.

I knew the minute I heard about it that the police would blame the PDRC.

But not a waste of time making a comment about it??

Who else were the cops going to blame? The smurfs??

[binjalin]

Of course, the police will say.........

Red supporters to the bone.

Anything to accuse PDRC, nothing against their own.

The more I hear about them, the more I support Sutherp and his aim to reform this police force.

Reading your posts, from day one, you supported Suthep, and the more violent they get the more you support them.

The only aim Suthep has is the total power over this country. , hope the blinds will open the eyes soon.

no chance - he is a complete bitgot towards the right wing with dreams of a fascist state and he and DJJamie make a nice pair of blinded fools who are so out of touch with Thailand and Thai thinking it's embarrassing but, luckily, they live in their own fantasy world and Thailand will continue the long road to freedom, press de-censorship and getting rid of the yoke of the ammart and into the modern world. It will take time (10/20 years)

hasten the day! hasten the day!

[Morch]

Now....out of 2000 guards, some surely with military experience, you hand out an m-16 (or Tavor, whatever) to someone who never handled a firearm before?

Seems a bit far-fetched. Would have thought they would keep those for trusted, experienced guards rather than a "green" newcomer.

Why does it seem far fetched, how do you think Armies teach their recruits? They hand them a nice big gun, and then start from basics some Instructors are anal, and it's all by the book, but some are more relaxed and will let you get a feel of the weapon, how it feels, the weight etc, before starting the serious business of teaching you how to shoot and kill.

An M16/Tavor/Any assault rifle isn't designed to shoot clay pigeons, they're designed to kill the enemy before he kills you, it really is that simple.

Mr. Popcorn said he's been with them for two months. Assuming they do not run a proper army-style training program, one doesn't acquire anything remotely operational level in this time frame. You're just not sent out to the front that quickly.

And again....they have quite a pool of potential shooters to choose from, somehow I don't see Mr. Popcorn as a natural candidate. Probably many got experience with firearms, some even army training. No sense in choosing a raw recruit and start teaching him how to shoot.

Never met anyone who was a natural shot from the minute he touched a firearm. Takes practice.

That's not quite accurate, I train local Nationals and I can get them to do basic weapons handling in a week, and in 2 weeks have them be able to pass the old British Army Weapons handling test, it really boils down to how much of a retention span the person under instruction has, the same guys I've seen and passed these test will also fail them after a week of not being trained also.

Shooting is a different story altogether, basic marksmanship principles in theory are easy to teach, but getting the student to actually hit something at the other end is like trying to teach a Chimp quantum physics at times.. "Mister Mister, weapon no good, something wrong with sights" ... oh yeah, let me see, and I can put a 2" grouping easily at 25M with their wonky weapon...

I have met quite a few naturals, only because they're able to apply all the principles, but none of them were locals!!

I'm sure that they do have a pool of good shooter, but how would they know this? How do you assess who's competent and who's not? That sounds more like you'd be training a Militia as opposed to "Security Guards" and of course, someone would be heading this training, and that person would/should also be accountable.

Any of the guys out here has an ND, firs thing they ask for is the training records, and when was the last time they did the tests, then they'll ask who was the instructor and he will then have to provide information as to whether the guy is competent or not.. Yeah, this is all very Western and Safety Orientated, and lots of duty of care involved, but when you're handling a weapon daily, in public, you had better be safe in doing so, but we're talking about Thailand here, where it doesn't seem paramount, add to this the guards are doing all of this with illegally held weapons and in violation of the Laws of the Land.

You take that risk, then you have to accept the risk of being caught at the same time.

I really don't understand how Farangs as guests in the country and PR's can justify this guys actions, which simply broke the law, it's not like he was littering the streets, or pissing in an Alleyway. The Laws may suck, but they are the Law and they're not open to interpretation or negotiation either.

Learning to handle your weapon, handling it, and shooting at a range are all swell.

How much time/training you need to put down until you can do this, effectively, in a real life situation? Not quite the same.

What do you mean "how they would know"? I don't imagine they would go as far as checking training records, etc. going in-depth like that. Then again, do you really see them running boot camp in the middle of the demonstration? As I'm pretty sure that at least some of the guards got previous army training, that already makes them more competent than Mr. Popcorn. Anyone that handled a handgun on a regular basis is more competent than Mr. Popcorn.

Why trust an inexperienced new guy with an assault rifle, when you got plenty others to choose from?

Not sure if those last two sentences were directed at any of my posts - not justifying any of it.

[Loles]

And is this a huge surprise ???

[firestar]

If you read my original post, you'd know I wasn't saying he isn't.

Just saying it seems odd they would choose him over more experienced people, or perhaps people who have been with them longer.

There is fewer to choose from than you might think, career soldiers are well paid and have a lot to lose, conscripts are as useless or even worst than this guy which leaves ultra-nationalist vocational "students" and southern rubber farmers.

Anyway, fair enough. I would even post more PDRC friendly posts if there was more sensible discussions rather than the angelic pretty middle class loving Thai fighting the good fight drivel that goes on here.

Edited March 20, 2014 by firestar

[Fat Haggis]

Morch,

You're saying that there was more experienced guys that they could have given the assault rifle to, the point I'm trying to make is that HOW would the PDRC know who's more experienced than others? Maybe this guy was more motivated, more passionate, and asked to carry the weapon? Maybe he performed well at his duties, and it was seen as an "honour" to give him the weapon?

I don't know, I can speculate as to why, same as anyone else, but I reward my guys by constantly testing them, takes a lot more than flannel to impress me, you want to talk the talk? you better make sure you can walk the walk. I've seen dozens of guys claim they were "experts" and they were far from it.

And no the last 2 sentences were not aimed at you, but to the members who just can't see past their own adulation for this guy, despite the fact he's going to spend a long time behind bars, IF he's found guilty..

If you're going to be low profile, and do shyt illegally and break the Law, DONT post pictures of yourself on social media network sites, that is the reason why many Squaddies are being done for war crimes, as they were stupid enough to take pictures and videos of themselves in the act...

I'd be saying the exact same thing if this was a Red/Blue/Green/Army/Navy/Farang in the same position. Big Boys Rules.

[rreddin]

"For Mr 'Men' who heads a guard group in the PDRC movement, Gen Winai said his real name has been identified. He also provided shelter for the popcorn gunman while he was in Surat Thani."

Police have issued an artists impression of the Mr.Men they are seeking:

You missed out Mr Silly who lives in Nonsenseland.

[Crushdepth]

Of course, the police will say.........

Red supporters to the bone.

Anything to accuse PDRC, nothing against their own.

The more I hear about them, the more I support Sutherp and his aim to reform this police force.

That's it buddy, keep cheering on the murdering, coup mongering fascists and put down the RTP for doing their job.

Shameless hypocrite. And yeah the police are just great. Edited March 20, 2014 by Crushdepth

[whybother]

'Popcorn Gunman' supported by PDRC in Lak Si attack, police say

Gee, the police are quick, aren't they!!!

[djjamie]

"They should come because popcorn vendors have made popcorn for them," Suthep said, referring to the gunmen at the clash between the red shirts and PDRC protesters before election day. The clash saw some gunmen covering their rifles with popcorn bags.

"Natthawut Saikuar and Jatuporn Promphan should really come … I don't know these popcorn vendors but I really love them."

I don't know these popcorn vendors, but I EMPLOY THEM!

Yes, agreed. You have actually highlighted an aspect of the PDRC that is often misrepresented by the UDD supporters on TVF. That is that the PDRC are majority driven. An organization like the PDRC that is so extensive that Sutehp could not possibly know who all his "employees" are. Like Microsoft, Bill Gates won't be held to account for an employee's actions which in this case was defending innocent civilians against hardened terrorist criminals. Thank you Rich teacher for your highlighting this critical misunderstanding by your peers.

I am a big fan of Vivat for showing courage under fire to protect civilians that were being attacked by the red shirts terrorists overseen by the notorious Ko Tee who by the evident one sided accountability by thakins little helpers shows he acted with impunity. Where is Chalerm bringing Ko Tee to account? He was on the other side firing back at the defender of innocent protestors.

Nope? Forgot that principle of democracy again? Yep, thought so.

so funny, so ignorant so BIASED

No rebuttal, no defence on what I said? Are you sure you where not part of the Kentucky State University debating team going by that strong rebuttal?

That is really impressive. I cannot compete with that reply…You win...

[Morch]

Morch,

You're saying that there was more experienced guys that they could have given the assault rifle to, the point I'm trying to make is that HOW would the PDRC know who's more experienced than others? Maybe this guy was more motivated, more passionate, and asked to carry the weapon? Maybe he performed well at his duties, and it was seen as an "honour" to give him the weapon?

I don't know, I can speculate as to why, same as anyone else, but I reward my guys by constantly testing them, takes a lot more than flannel to impress me, you want to talk the talk? you better make sure you can walk the walk. I've seen dozens of guys claim they were "experts" and they were far from it.

And no the last 2 sentences were not aimed at you, but to the members who just can't see past their own adulation for this guy, despite the fact he's going to spend a long time behind bars, IF he's found guilty..

If you're going to be low profile, and do shyt illegally and break the Law, DONT post pictures of yourself on social media network sites, that is the reason why many Squaddies are being done for war crimes, as they were stupid enough to take pictures and videos of themselves in the act...

I'd be saying the exact same thing if this was a Red/Blue/Green/Army/Navy/Farang in the same position. Big Boys Rules.

It's really not super hard to find out who's got minimal experience and more.

You get one guy who served in a fighting unit, he'll get a buddy and so on. Works this way for most ex-armed-forces people, Thailand isn't different. You have security firms here which pride themselves on hiring only ex-this or ex-that. Unlike what was posted before, there are ex-army guys all over the place, not to mention those who are moonlighting as guards.

I wasn't even speculating about WHY this guy. Not saying he's a fake. Not saying he ain't the shooter. Just that it something here doesn't fit, at least for me.

[djjamie]

"They should come because popcorn vendors have made popcorn for them," Suthep said, referring to the gunmen at the clash between the red shirts and PDRC protesters before election day. The clash saw some gunmen covering their rifles with popcorn bags.

"Natthawut Saikuar and Jatuporn Promphan should really come … I don't know these popcorn vendors but I really love them."

I don't know these popcorn vendors, but I EMPLOY THEM!

Yes, agreed. You have actually highlighted an aspect of the PDRC that is often misrepresented by the UDD supporters on TVF. That is that the PDRC are majority driven. An organization like the PDRC that is so extensive that Sutehp could not possibly know who all his "employees" are. Like Microsoft, Bill Gates won't be held to account for an employee's actions which in this case was defending innocent civilians against hardened terrorist criminals. Thank you Rich teacher for your highlighting this critical misunderstanding by your peers.

I am a big fan of Vivat for showing courage under fire to protect civilians that were being attacked by the red shirts terrorists overseen by the notorious Ko Tee who by the evident one sided accountability by thakins little helpers shows he acted with impunity. Where is Chalerm bringing Ko Tee to account? He was on the other side firing back at the defender of innocent protestors.

Nope? Forgot that principle of democracy again? Yep, thought so.

There's a good chance Bill gates would know if his employees were out on the streets shooting at people with assault rifles and there's a better chance his reaction would be entirely different than Sutheps'.

Bill is ethical and has morals.

PDRC are majority driven?

If by majority you mean minority, then yes, you are correct.

How many principles of democracy are there again?

Not employees…..Employee. Of course your agenda will push the debate down a shadowy illegitimate path which is the only PTP stronghold.

Please link your minority agenda? Do not reference the 2011 elections or the elections before that or the elections before that or the elections before that. Apparently the DEM's have lost 8 in a row so lets say we should not look in the past. We should look into the future and the now. A future where (to stay on topic) Vivot and the 15 out of 15 principle supporters saved lives innocent lives.

Edited March 20, 2014 by djjamie

[Gunna]

No need to smile Chalerm you also have a few charges to answer to , this hero is just trying to save his country and good people from being invaded by red shirt thugs.

+1

[firestar]

If only they could use this skill in police work to catch the people that killed innocent protestors including children. Great the caught a guy that defended protestors and actually saved lives,,,Where are the child killer murderers? Any arrests there? Akeyuth comes to mind…..Very quick and convenient charge when it is someone AGINST the PTP.

BTW - I wear those shoes too and have a similar build…So your logic suggests that I did it.

Riiiiight you were wearing those same shoes, same jacket, pants, etc, at Laksi intersection on the same day

You also removed your balaclava and have the same face....

This idiot was caught because, unlike other idiots from either side, he did it five feet away from half the world's international press is that hard to understand?

Edited March 20, 2014 by firestar

[Fat Haggis]

Are you also Thai and in the habit of taking selfies and posting them on facebook as if to say " Look at me, I'm so cool" .. Nah didn't think so

Keep your adulation for this guy, I'm guessing you also though that Chopper Read was a Saint too

[tomacht8]

Any violence is to be condemned.

The color of the t-shirt does not matter.

Everyone who throwing grenades, loaded bombs and fired into crowds belongs into prison.

If innocent people are killed, and there is not a self-defense situation, then for a long long time into the prison.

Now the police must catch the killers from Trat.

Since four months the worst crime.

That would be important for the whole country.

[casualbiker]

The Police say M16 and they do the reenactment with an M16 (i presume) EDIT: IT COULD JUST BE A PIECE OF PIPE IN THE POLICE PICTURES.

pictures of reenactment :

Pictures from the day:

Something SERIOUSLY wrong there. They are obviously different weapons!

Edited March 20, 2014 by casualbiker

[englishoak]

The Police say M16 and they do the reenactment with an M16 (i presume) EDIT: IT COULD JUST BE A PIECE OF PIPE IN THE POLICE PICTURES.

pictures of reenactment :

popcorn police 2.jpgpopcorn police.jpg

Pictures from the day:

popcorn 2.jpgpopcorn 3.jpg

popcorn.jpg

Something SERIOUSLY wrong there. They are obviously different weapons!

Agreed they are clearly NOT the same muzzle

[metisdead]

Off topic posts and replies have been removed as well as some other nonsense posts.

[coma]

1} Popcorn man says he had never touched a assault rifle, let alone fire one, in his life before he was one by a head PDRC guard. To me he looked to be fairy comfortable, capable and unusually calm considering the low-level combat task he conducted. He looked like a competent, trained gunman to me.

2}. They ,whoever employed him for the job, picked him up at the national minimum wage of 300 baht a day. Yeah right !

[binjalin]

"They should come because popcorn vendors have made popcorn for them," Suthep said, referring to the gunmen at the clash between the red shirts and PDRC protesters before election day. The clash saw some gunmen covering their rifles with popcorn bags.

"Natthawut Saikuar and Jatuporn Promphan should really come … I don't know these popcorn vendors but I really love them."

I don't know these popcorn vendors, but I EMPLOY THEM!

Yes, agreed. You have actually highlighted an aspect of the PDRC that is often misrepresented by the UDD supporters on TVF. That is that the PDRC are majority driven. An organization like the PDRC that is so extensive that Sutehp could not possibly know who all his "employees" are. Like Microsoft, Bill Gates won't be held to account for an employee's actions which in this case was defending innocent civilians against hardened terrorist criminals. Thank you Rich teacher for your highlighting this critical misunderstanding by your peers.

I am a big fan of Vivat for showing courage under fire to protect civilians that were being attacked by the red shirts terrorists overseen by the notorious Ko Tee who by the evident one sided accountability by thakins little helpers shows he acted with impunity. Where is Chalerm bringing Ko Tee to account? He was on the other side firing back at the defender of innocent protestors.

Nope? Forgot that principle of democracy again? Yep, thought so.

so funny, so ignorant so BIASED

No rebuttal, no defence on what I said? Are you sure you where not part of the Kentucky State University debating team going by that strong rebuttal?

That is really impressive. I cannot compete with that reply…You win...

because your posts are so ignorant and hypocritical it's almost impossible to find a gram of anything sensible to rebut - here we have a PDRC guard caught, red handed, and you STILL can't condemn, you STILL defend these fascists and that, dear boy, is very ignorant and stupid 'majority driven' lol

'majority driven' is not hiding in a park it's winning ELECTIONS

[ShannonT]

This piece of human garbage shot up a crowd to interrupt an election and you people defend him? This is why you can't win an election. Approving sociopathic behavior is not backed by the majority.

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It's approved by the majority of TV foreigners, though.

They are probably losers who didnt achieve anything in their own countries, though ...so backing an undemocratic movement might give them some short term satisfaction.

[Emptyset]

One could assume that Vivat Yodprasert saved the lives of many innocent people at the hands of the murdering coup monger (1992 coup) fascist Ko Tee and is illegitimate street gang of disenfranchised undisciplined youth. He even stated they would terrorize, loot and burn Bangkok, again, under certain conditions. Without this brave mans assistance one could postulate that the casualties would have been much higher and the terrorist regime under the command of an accused terrorist, accused mass murderer, convicted criminal fugitive whose frustration over his electoral futility and is only surpassed by his anti-democratic impulses and his love for coups when he can makes billions from them.

On a side note the police force through there undemocratic minority driven actions have proven yet again that "equal protection under the law" is a principle of democray they just dismiss as it does not suit their agenda.

The true criminals in the above photo are all the people sitting around Vivat.

What does Koh Tee have to do with the 1992 coup? I didn't realize he had any military experience. IIRC he has a law degree from Ramkhamhaeng and has made a bit of money in the cloth business around Pathum Thani. Not sure though but I've never heard of any involvement he had in 92. Surely if he was involved he could've only been a regular soldier (conscript)? I think Koh Tee is more talk than anything else and from what I've read, his side has come off worse in every clash they've been involved in with the PDRC. But please feel free to share any further information you have on this...

In any case, Koh Tee had already left Lak Si by the time Vivat and co showed up and started shooting. He was only there briefly. The police had defused the confrontation between the reds and the PDRC group at Lak Si District Office and the reds were actually dispersing back towards the temple (and home presumably) by the time the PDRC militants showed up and started firing.

These people did shoot and paralyse an elderly man (who appeared to be unarmed) so it's only just that they're punished. There's no evidence I've seen that they were shooting in self defence - in fact everything I've seen (and I've looked at a lot of different reports and evidence) suggests that they started shooting first. The first person to be shot was someone on the red shirt side just after the militants arrived. There doesn't seem to be much doubt about this guy's culpability. The only issue here that relates to justice is the partiality of the police. People that shoot at red shirts are often caught whereas those who've killed or attempted to injure the PDRC never are. But that's going to be an issue whichever government is in power. There isn't an easy solution.