Suthep says PDRC to launch an offensive next week

[Goat Roper]

Is this not what he's been doing for the past 4.5 months???

Who's the People he keeps referring to? That will be the minority till a referendum proves otherwise Khun Suthep please!

Stand down Fatty, hide and watch.

[vivananahuahin]

final push again"déjà vu" but he his not Martin Luther King;"i have a dream".........

[larsjohnsson]

Send the mad man to Crimea, there can he do his final push

[AlphMichaels]

An obsession to secure power can often be as intoxicating as power itself.

[canuckamuck]

It is good he is aware that his actions are offensive.

[Lupatria]

Sweet songs never last too long on cracked records/records/records/records/

[klikster]

"The U.S. ambassador to Thailand recently affirmed that this protest is both a right and is peaceful. She also quoted John Kerry .. "

Well, um -- John Kerry is the ambassador's boss. You think that might have some bearing?

Actually, I prefer to hear ambassadors from the U.S. quoting Washington and Jefferson. On second thought, there is probably more honesty regarding politics coming from the writings of Mark Twain or the words of Will Rodgers than from any modern day U.S. politician such as Kerry.

[Fat Haggis]

At the start of these protests of which I was all in favour of, as I believed they had the majority of the peoples best wishes at heart, and the atmosphere was very carnival like, and just a well organised and fun filled occasion to watch and read about, and the mouthpieces of the PDRC such as the likes of Michael Yon got very animated and agitated as some sections of the Foreign media portrayed them as "militants"

Well 4.5 months down the line and you start using words such as "offensive" and have 1,000 Armed guard protecting your "leadership" whilst the actions on the 1st and the 2nd February ended my support for them, due to their very aggressive behavior towards sections of the population who were wishing to participate in their democratic right to vote, but were subjected to behavior that was far from peaceful and indeed more militant, and extreme.

I wonder how these mouthpieces now feel, when both sides have been getting more and more "militant" in the past 16 weeks.

Please, I'm not interested in this "well, if the Police did this and that, there would not be any need for X, Y or Z" I agree, but it's peoples attitudes that causes the aggressiveness, would it be reasonable to "speculate" that the decline in the number of protesters has been through the actions of the "not so good part" of the PDRC, and that what's left are more the firebrand types, and not your average protester?

I'm asking a genuine question here, for weeks there was TVF members reporting from the protest areas, and now there doesn't seem to be any interest in doing so, why is this? Has the Novelty worn off a little bit, and things didn't quite go to plan within the PDRC? The fact that Abhisit distanced himself quite early on would suggest that all is not "rosy" within the PDRC structure?

What happened to the remaining Forums on Reform, did they sit them all and what was manifesto they could all use to push reformation through IF they did get into the position of power? I'm very suspicious of Sutheps motives, I do not believe for one minute he will bow down graciously and step away from any parts of the "peoples committee" , I don't believe for one minute that he will hand himself over the the Authorities to face the music, as quite simply, he will be the authority.

The Judicial coup it would seem is what's in the final stages, and I just hope that IF he gets his wishes and Yingluk goes, it's not going to be a case of crapping on all those who opposed him in the North and North East, by changing the constitution and laws that make everything he's done in the past 4.5 months a crime once he's sitting on that ivory throne, so that nobody who opposes him will be allowed to use the same tactics that he's been using, as they'll be locked up.

I still maintain that the people that's not just the people within Bangkok have to have their say on reforms, and that he needs this referendum first, if he gets the majority, let him bask in the glory, if he doesn't, well it doesn't matter, he's going to keep up the civil disobedience till he does by all accounts.

Lets wait and see how tomorrow's Rally goes, and see what support he can come up with, and what happened to the farmers who last week, were also heading back to Bangkok to oust the Yingluck/Thaksin Regime? All very quiet on that front too..

[crazykopite]

This guy has really lost the plot how many turned up for the meeting on Thursday night not many I suppose unless they were giving away free beer and BBQ

[BlueNoseCodger]

Well this is the current mob strength (about 200-300 tops). He has 2000 guards apparently, but I don't know where they are because the mob is a few hundred here so I assume the majority of them are guarding Suthep:

Zombie coup.... zombie coup need brains..... brains.....BRAINS!

Edited March 28, 2014 by BlueNoseCodger

[Publicus]

Is this not what he's been doing for the past 4.5 months???

Who's the People he keeps referring to? That will be the minority till a referendum proves otherwise Khun Suthep please!

One 93 year old general and a group of his proteges. Whenever you see false-flag handgrenade attacks, you know its military types behind it.

His final push next week, presumably refers to the soft coup attempt:

NACC meets PM on Monday/ PM gets suspended / coup Senate then appoints their stooge/ stooge dismantles the democracy.

The Democrats have a meeting today and tomorrow, so I assume Suthep is trying to ensure they can't go the democracy way and try to get elected, hence the rhetoric. He's trying to burn their bridges for them, even before they have the meeting.

Addressing a crowd of supporters [2000 paid guard] at Lumpini park Thursday night, the PDRC secretary-general said that the people would “seize back the sovereign power” [seize from voters] so that a people’s government and a people’s assembly could be set up to start the reform process [make the senate full unelected and stuff the courts with more cronies] which would take one and a half years [measured in Thai time] after which an election [Crimea style] would be held.

I would extend your excellent post by adding the following difinitive statement concerning 21st century fascism:

"Fascism seeks to build a mass movement of everyone considered part of the

national community, actively engaged but controlled from above, to seize

political power and remake the social order. This movement is driven by a

vision of the national community rising phoenix-like after a period of

encroaching decadence which all but destroyed it. Such rebirth involves

systematic, top-down transformation of all social spheres by an

authoritarian state, and suppression or purging of all forces, ideologies,

and social groups the fascists define as alien."

http://kasamaproject.org/history/2076-8fascism-as-movement-ideology

[djjamie]

In years to come the insurrectionist Suthep will go down as one of the greatest criminals in the history of Thailand. He is surely up there in the 'hall of shame' with Sarit (the most corrupt ever - way ahead of Thaksin) and Thanin Kraivichien (the most repressive ever - the book burner - only rivalled in repressiveness by Abhisit, who took lese majeste prosecutions to a new level). Arguably one should also include Field Marshall Phibun. On an international scale Suthep evokes comparison with Mussolini and Mugabe.

Here's an idea, let's put up a statue to the 'ghastly 4' - Suthep, Sarit, Thanin and Abhisit - which could become a public urinal or a place where one could vomit when one has had a few too many drinks.

A suitable place for this statue would be Sanam Luang, near to Democracy Monument and the statue of the heroic Pridi at Thammasat University. So in future we could visit Bangkok and pay tribute to Pridi and of course to the enlightened monarchs of this fabulous country (principally Rama V and Rama IX) and then demonstrate our scorn for those who have done their best to destroy Thailand/Siam, the criminals of the modern era - Suthep, Sarit, Thanin and Abhisit.

Yes, Mandela had his opponents too when he reached about 100 terrorist charges. Some hated that man so much they had the same sentiment as you towards him.

History was the judge however on Mandela and it offered a favorable verdict….And no tilac2, that judge cannot be kidnapped...

Ironic thing here is people say this then around and say "respect my vote" knowing full well an unelectable accused mass murderer, accused terrorist convicted criminal fugitive may win it while ignoring the voter fraud the PTP are famous for.

That is PTP logic right there!

[djjamie]

double post

Edited March 28, 2014 by djjamie

[Fat Haggis]

It's all right to call Issan people Kwai/Buffaloes and say they're all dumb and stupid, but you get offended for the use of the word " Pikey"

Your English friend should be able to tell you that a lot of the travelling community are extremely wealthy, and live lavish life styles too, and when it's used by Brits, it's mostly done in humour.. you might consider nipping down to Tesco Lotus and buying yourself a bottle

[BlueNoseCodger]

In years to come the insurrectionist Suthep will go down as one of the greatest criminals in the history of Thailand. He is surely up there in the 'hall of shame' with Sarit (the most corrupt ever - way ahead of Thaksin) and Thanin Kraivichien (the most repressive ever - the book burner - only rivalled in repressiveness by Abhisit, who took lese majeste prosecutions to a new level). Arguably one should also include Field Marshall Phibun. On an international scale Suthep evokes comparison with Mussolini and Mugabe.

Here's an idea, let's put up a statue to the 'ghastly 4' - Suthep, Sarit, Thanin and Abhisit - which could become a public urinal or a place where one could vomit when one has had a few too many drinks.

A suitable place for this statue would be Sanam Luang, near to Democracy Monument and the statue of the heroic Pridi at Thammasat University. So in future we could visit Bangkok and pay tribute to Pridi and of course to the enlightened monarchs of this fabulous country (principally Rama V and Rama IX) and then demonstrate our scorn for those who have done their best to destroy Thailand/Siam, the criminals of the modern era - Suthep, Sarit, Thanin and Abhisit.

Yes, Mandela had his opponents too when he reached about 100 terrorist charges. Some hated that man so much they had the same sentiment as you towards him.

History was the judge however on Mandela and it offered a favorable verdict….And no tilac2, that judge cannot be kidnapped...

Ironic thing here is people say this then around and say "respect my vote" knowing full well an unelectable accused mass murderer, accused terrorist convicted criminal fugitive may win it while ignoring the voter fraud the PTP are famous for.

That is PTP logic right there!

Suthep Mandela?

[Baerboxer]

The U.S. ambassador to Thailand recently affirmed that this protest is both a right and is peaceful. She also quoted John Kerry when he said that democracy is not determined just by elections but by transparency, the rule of law, strong institutions, and an independent judiciary. Yingluck is under an impeachment investigation for corruption and lack of transparency. Yingluck and Phue Thai have consistently defied the rule of law, and have joined the UDD chorus in opposition to the independent agencies. In fact, Surapong recently wrote to the UN asking it to admonish the Constitutional Court and the independent agencies. Pheu Thai won the election in 2011 with 48.41 % of the vote, but have failed to deliver on any of the other tenets of democracy - transparency, recognition of the rule of law, and respect for an independent judiciary. In fact, they want to change all of that. By securing a parliamentary mandate the public entrusted them with respecting the rule of law. Instead, they took their parliamentary majority and rammed through - through unconstitutional means - an amnesty bill designed to pardon one specific billionaire as well as over 25,000 other people convicted of corruption. They used their parliamentary majority to pass a 2 trillion baht infrastructure bill through unconstitutional means in order to bypass normal parliamentary oversight and debating channels. They used their parliamentary majority to administer a rice scheme that contained massive corruption and graft, and they have done everything in their power to prevent the oversight of those misdeeds to take place. In short, they used their parliamentary majority for illegal purposes. The hard-core Pheu Thai supporters say " Then why not let the voters decide ? If they don't like that kind of administration they won't vote for it. If, on the other hand, they feel their constituencies have enough goodies, then it's perfectly OK if the administration wants to do all those other things. " In other words, from the hard-core Pheu Thai supporters point of view - if the people say if once you're in power you want to abuse parliamentary rules, pass massive amnesty bills, construct projects with massive graft and corruption, and dismantle the checks and balances of the judicial system, that's alright with them, as long as their districts are taken care of. The hard-core Pheu Thai argument - in all its glory - comes down to this utter absurdity. If the people vote you in, you can commit any imaginable crime, and dismantle the checks and balances of the judicial system to boot. As Nixon once famously said " If the president does it, then it's not illegal ". Incidentally, he was impeached for abuse of office.

Nah, it was an attempt to overthrow a popularly elected government with a mob of people, pumped up on lies fed to them by a satellite propaganda channel. The US position is clear, more importantly the military position between the two governments is absolutely clear between both of them:

The US Ambassador to Thailand has praised the Thai government′s restrained measures toward anti-government protesters during her discussion with Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra....Admiral Locklear [Admiral of the US Pacific fleet] likewise said he appreciates the Thai government′s patient and tolerant manner during its tackling of the conflict. .. Meanwhile, Chief of Defence Forces, General Thanasak [supreme head of Thai armed services], expressed his optimism about the situation, stating that it is ‘getting better and better’...General Thanasak said he cannot speak for PCAD leader Suthep Thaugsuban why he still refuses to put an end to his political campaign, but added that he is hopeful about future dialogues between the protest leaders and the government.

Nothing has changed there, the US, EU, China, Japan, none of them support your wannabe dictator.

And the US, EU, China, Japan and Russia have not supported Thaksin or his proxy government either. Of course showing restraint and peace is the right thing, But now, since recruiting a private army, advocating treason and rebellion, openly applauding murder of innocents, the Shin gang have lost any sympathy, There game plan has changed - maybe the courts and independent agencies are getting to close to the truth as are a lot of farmers.

[boomerangutang]

Thaksin's problem was that he was obsessed with continuing his business interests while he governed the country, but he did establish a voter-based mandate. Who knows how that would have developed if there hadn't been the 2006 coup? Some people say that the coup saved Thailand from a predicted 'Thaksin dictatorship'; others suggest that Thaksin would have followed the democratic will if he had been voted out. I tend to the latter view.

I feel strongly that the other scenario would have played out: Thaksin, like his SE Asian PM associates from the recent past (Marcos, Sukarno, Suharto) would have done all in his power to get as massively rich as possible.

I've stopped being amazed at how easily (some of) the Thai people can be duped. Thais deserve whatever crappy group of thugs they get sitting in the power seats.

At least, with no functioning government, we haven't had the 2.2 trillion baht speedo train bill passed. And neither have we had any more Constitution-amending policies which seek to whitewash Thaksin. Those two things, in themselves, are reason to appreciate the on-going demonstrations.

[metisdead]

An inflammatory post has been removed as well as the replies.

[Fat Haggis]

Well this is the current mob strength (about 200-300 tops). He has 2000 guards apparently, but I don't know where they are because the mob is a few hundred here so I assume the majority of them are guarding Suthep:

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Zombie coup.... zombie coup need brains..... brains.....BRAINS!

Maybe that's just the Guards Muster Parade and their getting their orders for the march of all marches tomorrow?

[Suriya4]

now that yingluck cannot walk properly, I hope suthep thug can finally arrest yingluck once and for all.

[Fat Haggis]

Maybe they can share a cell together, and make really ugly kids!!

[diehard60]

"The reform, explained Mr Suthep, was meant to allow “good people” to have a chance to administer the country on behalf of the people." Ok who are the good people????? Certainly not suthep and his band of thugs. He is stilla wanted man. And he can be put into the same bracket as thaksin for the same things except thaksin has helped the north and northeast which NO other PM has EVER done.

[soalbundy]

does this mean we will have to wait another one and a half years for our rice money for last years harvest?

[BlueNoseCodger]

At the start of these protests of which I was all in favour of, as I believed they had the majority of the peoples best wishes at heart, and the atmosphere was very carnival like, and just a well organised and fun filled occasion to watch and read about, and the mouthpieces of the PDRC such as the likes of Michael Yon got very animated and agitated as some sections of the Foreign media portrayed them as "militants"

Well 4.5 months down the line and you start using words such as "offensive" and have 1,000 Armed guard protecting your "leadership" whilst the actions on the 1st and the 2nd February ended my support for them, due to their very aggressive behavior towards sections of the population who were wishing to participate in their democratic right to vote, but were subjected to behavior that was far from peaceful and indeed more militant, and extreme.

I wonder how these mouthpieces now feel, when both sides have been getting more and more "militant" in the past 16 weeks.

Please, I'm not interested in this "well, if the Police did this and that, there would not be any need for X, Y or Z" I agree, but it's peoples attitudes that causes the aggressiveness, would it be reasonable to "speculate" that the decline in the number of protesters has been through the actions of the "not so good part" of the PDRC, and that what's left are more the firebrand types, and not your average protester?

I'm asking a genuine question here, for weeks there was TVF members reporting from the protest areas, and now there doesn't seem to be any interest in doing so, why is this? Has the Novelty worn off a little bit, and things didn't quite go to plan within the PDRC? The fact that Abhisit distanced himself quite early on would suggest that all is not "rosy" within the PDRC structure?

What happened to the remaining Forums on Reform, did they sit them all and what was manifesto they could all use to push reformation through IF they did get into the position of power? I'm very suspicious of Sutheps motives, I do not believe for one minute he will bow down graciously and step away from any parts of the "peoples committee" , I don't believe for one minute that he will hand himself over the the Authorities to face the music, as quite simply, he will be the authority.

The Judicial coup it would seem is what's in the final stages, and I just hope that IF he gets his wishes and Yingluk goes, it's not going to be a case of crapping on all those who opposed him in the North and North East, by changing the constitution and laws that make everything he's done in the past 4.5 months a crime once he's sitting on that ivory throne, so that nobody who opposes him will be allowed to use the same tactics that he's been using, as they'll be locked up.

I still maintain that the people that's not just the people within Bangkok have to have their say on reforms, and that he needs this referendum first, if he gets the majority, let him bask in the glory, if he doesn't, well it doesn't matter, he's going to keep up the civil disobedience till he does by all accounts.

Lets wait and see how tomorrow's Rally goes, and see what support he can come up with, and what happened to the farmers who last week, were also heading back to Bangkok to oust the Yingluck/Thaksin Regime? All very quiet on that front too..

Views are hardening yes. If you read Pantip, one particularly telling thread had the pictures of the beheaded soldiers from the south, with comments along the lines of "if the army can't hold 3 provinces, they can't hold Thailand". With some self claimed soldiers, commenting that they're against Suthep too, so don't lump them all in with him.

For me it's clear, the independent agencies have shown they are corrupt as hell, election commissioners who won't organize elections, unelected senators proposing coup strategies on facebook. A coup appointee to the NSC stopping the arrest of Suthep, even appearing on a PDRC stage. Court decisions that let anyone void an election with a tiny number of people.

As to reform, what is that but an excuse to stuff more of these corrupt Suthep friends in the agencies? He can't even coherently state his reforms, let alone convince people to support it and get elected. It was just something he dreamt up, when people asked why he should be put in power.... why?..... erm, reforms..... of what?.... erm corruption... how?.... erm..... erm....erm... well make a plan....

[DirtFarmer]

He said that the people had lost their patience and wanted immediate reform to be worked out by the people and not by politicians.....

The reform, explained Mr Suthep, was meant to allow “good people” to have a chance to administer the country on behalf of the people.

Well now... which of the good people aren't politicians...? anybody know...? He is sounding a bit more impotent in every sound bite..and not surprisingly has little or nothing to offer from the "proposed reform" seminars he has completed now Or is there one more meeting next Wednesday... I think he called for a total of 6 and then the "reforms" would be determined... and shared with the country so the "good people" could begin their "reform":...waiting anxiously...for this tidewater event... meanwhile...my guess is the NACC ( though we don't know exactly what is being looked at... a few terms have been thrown out "dereliction.. negligence...etc...very serious ..if they have teeth..... then we are in for a lot of new changes but Suthep's version of how it will go is a way long shot in the wake of unpopular decisions and impending events viewed by either side....after the next few weeks ...Let's just say.....even if he got his "good people's" council in place it would take a lot longer to reform this place of any of the things proposed in any of these "sessions" or proposed here on TV by us.... 20 years down the road maybe ... but the very people that are propping him up are not going to support any kind of reform that affects their MO..Never happen.. so it becomes a question of do you believe hook line and sinker that he really is for reform...? or do you temper it with the knowledge that a leopard cannot change it's spots.. . and it is more likely that "the good people's" reform is no more than a catch phrase repeated over and over again in the hopes that it will become a truth...?

I tend to lean towards the latter... though I must say he up till now has quite a few fish with the hook in their jaw..just hope they aren't disappointed when their vision clears and they are able to grasp an overview of reality without the emotions of the fervor...

[gerry123]

oh ok next week it is then

[Fat Haggis]

"Good people" based on whose consensus? If these truly are "good people" why were they never put forward into becoming Politicians so they could best serve the country with their "good people" epertise, and knowledge in the first place? Are they handpicked from the Suthep's book "The A-Z of good people of Thailand" or was it from the book "Good people for dummies" ?

[zydeco]

Go home. It's over.

If you're saying Suthep should go home, I agree. There is no more purpose to these protests. The handwriting is on the wall, and all that's left to be done is allow the process to play itself out. At the end, the Shins will be gone. Suthep's role in these events should be over. By leaving the stage, he legitimizes the original protests.

[rebelplatoon]

The U.S. ambassador to Thailand recently affirmed that this protest is both a right and is peaceful. She also quoted John Kerry when he said that democracy is not determined just by elections but by transparency, the rule of law, strong institutions, and an independent judiciary. Yingluck is under an impeachment investigation for corruption and lack of transparency. Yingluck and Phue Thai have consistently defied the rule of law, and have joined the UDD chorus in opposition to the independent agencies. In fact, Surapong recently wrote to the UN asking it to admonish the Constitutional Court and the independent agencies. Pheu Thai won the election in 2011 with 48.41 % of the vote, but have failed to deliver on any of the other tenets of democracy - transparency, recognition of the rule of law, and respect for an independent judiciary. In fact, they want to change all of that. By securing a parliamentary mandate the public entrusted them with respecting the rule of law. Instead, they took their parliamentary majority and rammed through - through unconstitutional means - an amnesty bill designed to pardon one specific billionaire as well as over 25,000 other people convicted of corruption. They used their parliamentary majority to pass a 2 trillion baht infrastructure bill through unconstitutional means in order to bypass normal parliamentary oversight and debating channels. They used their parliamentary majority to administer a rice scheme that contained massive corruption and graft, and they have done everything in their power to prevent the oversight of those misdeeds to take place. In short, they used their parliamentary majority for illegal purposes. The hard-core Pheu Thai supporters say " Then why not let the voters decide ? If they don't like that kind of administration they won't vote for it. If, on the other hand, they feel their constituencies have enough goodies, then it's perfectly OK if the administration wants to do all those other things. " In other words, from the hard-core Pheu Thai supporters point of view - if the people say if once you're in power you want to abuse parliamentary rules, pass massive amnesty bills, construct projects with massive graft and corruption, and dismantle the checks and balances of the judicial system, that's alright with them, as long as their districts are taken care of. The hard-core Pheu Thai argument - in all its glory - comes down to this utter absurdity. If the people vote you in, you can commit any imaginable crime, and dismantle the checks and balances of the judicial system to boot. As Nixon once famously said " If the president does it, then it's not illegal ". Incidentally, he was impeached for abuse of office.

Well written scamper. Besides the fact that people are being harassed or paid for votes, the present Phue Thai came from TWO parties that one after another have been convicted for election fraud. Proven and guilty. What did they do? Change the names of the people who are the puppets and change the party name TWICE. When people are being leaned on, there can be no fair vote. If constituencies are being adjusted to the profit of one party and the demise of the other then there are no free and fair elections. In popular vote the Difference between the Phue Thai and the Democrats was only 13%. This was NOT reflected in seats. The difference in seats was 122 ! Where it should have been about 23. This is the reason why people are upset. And they are told to shut up and enjoy the illegal ride.... In the North of Thailand 30% voted Democrats. They cannot even come to the North to explain their policies because of the red shirt militia. They threaten with violence. Is that democracy?

[metisdead]

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