Redshirts press charges against Constitutional Court for annulling election

[djjamie]

In a way I sympathize with the innocent grass root red shirts. Their loyalty was bought by the PTP through the rice scheme and this is how they expect that loyalty to be paid back. The general cross section of farmers would not come up with an idea to press charges against the judges. This comes from above and is a coordinated attack on the rule of law by accused terrorists under a disguise of legitimacy.

One could postulate that these folk are here under duress. Who is to say they have not been threatened that if they don't attend they will be silenced, intimidated or their families threatened with violence. Of course the terrorist element will say that is preposterous and hyperbolic in nature in defense of and to show a loyalty to the regime and the terrorist element with in it that cheered terrorist attacks in Trat.

3 months ago the terrorist supporters would say the same thing if I dare suggest that the red shirts would set up check points at farmer rally points and threaten their families with violence and intimidated them if they went to Bangkok and protested for rice payments. But I would be right.

6 months ago they would scoff at me if I suggested that the PTP won't listen to the majority and push an amnesty through that absolved the PM's brother. They would extract quotes from all corners of the internet stating the Worachai bill does not absolve thaksin. They would say the PTP are the voice of the majority and how dare I say otherwise. But I would be right and that voice of the majority they claim to hold was proven to be very dubious to say the least.

12 months ago if I dared suggest that the PTP would have to be forced by a court ruling in ensuring a water management scheme was transparent and that there needed to be public participation because the PTP wanted to do it undemocratically, you know what? I would be demonized and condescended and told to stop spouting my drivel. But I would be right.

If I even dare suggest 1 day after they won the 2011elections that the PTP only respect elections when they know what the predetermined outcome is and that they will commit voter fraud in parliament reflecting this lack of adherence to this one principle of democracy, you know what? I shudder to think what they would say. But I would be right.

With my thoughts aside that the above folk may have been coerced, threatened and intimidated in attending these court houses have a look at their track history since gaining power in 2011. I have brushed the surface of a very deep, very anti democratic regime. Respect my vote I hear? Respect 20 million voters.

These 6 judges are defending the democratic rights of 68 million people inadvertently by following the rule of law and annulling the elections. The highest law in the land.

The PDRC want to hold off on 1 principle of democracy so the remainder are adhered to, are respected and are fair for all 68 million Thai's.

The PTP want to push through 1 principle of democracy so the remainder can be abused, ignored and denigrated so one man in Dubai can benefit. The ironic thing is this one principle will allow an unelectable, accused mass murderer, accused terrorist, convicted criminal fugitive to run Thailand. This would be a electoral coup.

68 million Thai's VS 1 man.

I know where my democratic money is and it aint on the electoral coup mongers.

Edited April 1, 2014 by djjamie

[lungmi]

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I see the new redshirt leadership is bring out their 25 most educated supporters.

That's some intellectual firepower right there.

Yes, but look to the middle fingers:

"We <deleted> ourselves"

They know how to stimulate their brain. First step for development

[Rich teacher]

I see the new redshirt leadership is bring out their 25 most educated supporters.

That's some intellectual firepower right there.

Whereas the PRDC are all well educated 'good people'

[dcutman]

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I see the new redshirt leadership is bring out their 25 most educated supporters.

That's some intellectual firepower right there.

Yes, but look to the middle fingers:

"We <deleted> ourselves"

They know how to stimulate their brain. First step for development

Come on man! Give them a break, already.

This is a proud moment and the very best over all example of the Red Shirt movement.

You do notice the evolution of advancement? There is nothing on fire in the background.

[Bluespunk]

"BANGKOK: -- Pro-government supporters in many province have simultaneously filed complaint against the Constitutional Court for invalidating 2 February general election."

Idiots.

[AleG]

I see the new redshirt leadership is bring out their 25 most educated supporters.

That's some intellectual firepower right there.

Be3cCzBCIAECxeg.jpg

Whereas the PRDC are all well educated 'good people'

Is that picture meant to make them look less educated and nice than the Red Shirts flipping the bird? If so, fail.

And if you are going to call the Red Shirts "good people" I refer you to the video of those good people cheering and clapping at the "good news" of five murdered on a terrorist attack in Trat.

[lungmi]

My post has been corrected by the mods.

Their correction is better than my post.

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Yes, but look to the middle fingers:

"We <deleted> ourselves"

They know how to stimulate their brain. First step for development

[dcutman]

I see the new redshirt leadership is bring out their 25 most educated supporters.

That's some intellectual firepower right there.

Be3cCzBCIAECxeg.jpg

Whereas the PRDC are all well educated 'good people'

Other than than the willful ignorance and rude display shown by the Red Shirts (as usual) and the peaceful anti govt protesters. I do see some similarity. But neither one appears to be the rich Bangkok Amart, you so often refer to them as.

[siampolee]

One is led to wonder just what the I.Q level may be of the character(s) who assembled these people in the line up for this picture.

If that mindset is indicative of the I.Q. of the Red Shirt leadership and their supporters it indeed elevates Thailand to the very summit of the pile of seriously challenged inept and socially and political dysfunctional nations in this world.

[cornishcarlos]

If you look closely, only 8 out of 38 managed to get the right finger raised.

That's not a very good turnout is it, dumb ass*s

[DrTuner]

If you look closely, only 8 out of 38 managed to get the right finger raised.

That's not a very good turnout is it, dumb ass*s

And it looks like some of them are flipping the persons behind them

[WhizBang]

Complete morons, one and all.

And if they didn't like this court verdict, just wait untill poo gets turfed out on her ass.

[bigbamboo]

I think I prefer the traditional wai to the redshirt's middle finger.

No excuse though. Class isn't all about money and education as Thai politicians so often prove.

[Old Man River]

There is some law in Thailand that it is a crime to disagree with a decision once a court has made a decision. You can appeal a decision if the decision is made against you.

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[dru2]

" ...Termed "The National Complaint Day", the campaign encouraged the Redshirts to file charge of treason

and attempt to overthrow sovereign power of the Legislative Branch

under Article 113 of the Criminal Codes against the 6 majority Constitutional Court judges who ruled in the election verdict... "

SOVEREIGNTY.

The union and exercise of all human power possessed in a state; it is a combination of all power; it is the power to do everything in a state without accountability; to make laws, to execute and to apply them: to impose and collect taxes, and, levy, contributions; to make war or peace; to form treaties of alliance or of commerce with foreign nations, and the like. Story on the Const. Sec. 207.

2. Abstractedly, sovereignty resides in the body of the nation and belongs to the people. But these powers are generally exercised by delegation.

3. When analysed, sovereignty is naturally divided into three great powers;

namely, the legislative, the executive, and the judiciary;

the first is the power to make new laws, and to correct and repeal the old;

the second is the power to execute the laws both at home and abroad;

and

the last is the power to apply the laws to particular facts; to judge the disputes which arise among the citizens, and to punish crimes.

Te obvious point being that sovereign power devolves into ALL THREE

and each answerable to the other through their Differing POWERS of function.

So the Legislative has no sovereign power if not

used in delegation legally with The People.

used in concert with the other 2 branches,and their independent functions with in soverignty.

And under the constitutional framework The People have decide to implement.

They should in the big picture direct their complaints to not at the protestors,

nor the courts making a verdict on if the Executive branch has done it's job.

In this case, the Executive did not for what ever reasons successfully fulfil

'it's mandate to run an election country wide in one day.' Even with the aide of early voting days.

It's not like other nations do NOT have protestors on election days, nor violence,

but it seems Thailands executive did a particularly bad job of keeping order to run the election,

in spite pf truck loads of talk that they would.

In the end they did not and the Court ruled it was insufficient in fulfilling

it's sovereign duty as the executive.

.

A great many words that boil down to this: It is OK by you that a few people, who disrupted the election in certain parts of the country to prevent citizens from lawfully exercising their right to vote, stole the election from the great many people who did vote for the candidate of their choice irrespective of which party that was, other than the Dems who chose not to field any candidates. It is OK by you to blame the government knowing full well they asked the army to support the police in ensuring all the ballot boxes were delivered, polling stations were open and able to receive votes and the army refused that request. It is OK by you that the Constitutional Court penalized those who voted by declaring the whole election void without any sanction against those who prevented people from voting.

Clearly, you have no respect for the democratic wishes of the people who did vote.

A great many people are angry that the election has been stolen from them and see the Election Commission and the Constitutional Court as supporting the PRDC. These people have seen and understand the big picture much better than you do.

"...These people have seen and understand the big picture much better than you do...."

Why? Because you say so?

[MikeOboe57]

Thaksin was right.

The people with good faces don't come out to defend our party, and those who came out don't have good faces [...] http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/710166-thaksin-upset-by-yinglucks-incompetent-aides-sources/

[...] people with a good reputation were not coming out in public to help the Pheu Thai Party while those coming out did not have a good reputation [...] http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/710748-thaksins-political-predictions-from-beijing/

I never thought I would agree with him.

[leesgems]

They must have had a contest before the photo shoot then put the one with the best handle on how to flip the bird stand right up front and center in a red T-shirt. The rest of the incompetents were stuck towards the back but they apparently ran out of room there and had to let some of the lesser achievers ( holding up too many fingers, others with their hand turned the wrong direction and some classics that failed to even raise their hand, stand in the front row. Bottom line/ ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC.

[Skywalker69]

One is led to wonder just what the I.Q level may be of the character(s) who assembled these people in the line up for this picture.

If that mindset is indicative of the I.Q. of the Red Shirt leadership and their supporters it indeed elevates Thailand to the very summit of the pile of seriously challenged inept and socially and political dysfunctional nations in this world.

They give the word "brown nose" a new perspective.

Edited April 1, 2014 by Skywalker69

[oldsailor35]

They have nothing else to do anyhow.

On a more serious note. Even though it is organized by their leaders, only a few people seem to file a complain.

It's because there will be no result.

Unfortunately the only way for the judges to be removed from office is for a 3/5 vote of the senate. As just under half the senate is appointed (2007 change) it's almost impossible.

Indeed, even if 3/5's of the senate voted to remove them, they may well just refuse - like Jaruwan (now a senator) - when she was removed by the constitutional court as Auditor General she simply refused their authority.

EDIT - I should add, beware of those you have removed all hope of justice from. If each judge was required to produce and release explanations of their reasons in making a decision it would go a long way towards restoring faith in them. That is the common practice in many countries for the highest courts.

Apart from saying Suthep told me to do it what else is there to explain

[oldsailor35]

Is the flipping of the bird the new red shirt salute now the Jatuporn has been passed the conch?

Or is it a gesture towards the CC?

Either way I don't see any court in the land telling the constitution court how to interpret the constitution. Some people will pick up a legal bill for failure

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"I don't see any court in the land telling the constitution court how to interpret the constitution", maybe not, but it is not the interpretation that is being challenged. It is how that interpretation was made. The courts are now in a very difficult position.If they refuse to accept the charges, they will be perceived as being against the people and that would undermine public confidence in the judicial system upon which it relies for its legitimacy.

The Constitutional Court might have a way out of the mess they created by referring its decision back to itself for review. If done quickly enough, that would also avoid the need for another court to consider criminal charges against members of the Constitutional Court. Will it happen? I don't know. Nor do I know if the result will be any different even if it did happen.

Rubbish and you know it.

If you think that was a successful election, then you have been sniffing something from the top shelf in the garage.

Irrespective of who stood in the way of the election. The CC was asked to consider whether it was contitutional or not, and logically under the circumstances they voted it was not. It is as simple as that.

The elections could have adhered to hundreds of articles of the constitution, they are not the issue, if so much as one article gets breached, it is unconstitutional... very simple.

The court had no choice but to rule it as being void.

That election would have dragged on for months and still not produced a parliament, everyone knows that..... EVERYONE!!!!!

Each and every one of these idiots are laying themselves open to defamation charges in the future for filing accusations officially against the six judges for attempting to overthrow the sovereignty. As has already been pointed out above this is laughable. These cases will no even make it past the waste paper bin, leaving the door open for the judges to counter-sue.

So almighty one, how do you suggest they protest this filthy act of injustice that has been perpetrated against them ?

[BillyBobThai]

It will noy be long now and we will have a bird in a cage.

[rametindallas]

" ...Termed "The National Complaint Day", the campaign encouraged the Redshirts to file charge of treason

and attempt to overthrow sovereign power of the Legislative Branch

under Article 113 of the Criminal Codes against the 6 majority Constitutional Court judges who ruled in the election verdict... "

SOVEREIGNTY.

The union and exercise of all human power possessed in a state; it is a combination of all power; it is the power to do everything in a state without accountability; to make laws, to execute and to apply them: to impose and collect taxes, and, levy, contributions; to make war or peace; to form treaties of alliance or of commerce with foreign nations, and the like. Story on the Const. Sec. 207.

2. Abstractedly, sovereignty resides in the body of the nation and belongs to the people. But these powers are generally exercised by delegation.

3. When analysed, sovereignty is naturally divided into three great powers;

namely, the legislative, the executive, and the judiciary;

the first is the power to make new laws, and to correct and repeal the old;

the second is the power to execute the laws both at home and abroad;

and

the last is the power to apply the laws to particular facts; to judge the disputes which arise among the citizens, and to punish crimes.

Te obvious point being that sovereign power devolves into ALL THREE

and each answerable to the other through their Differing POWERS of function.

So the Legislative has no sovereign power if not

used in delegation legally with The People.

used in concert with the other 2 branches,and their independent functions with in soverignty.

And under the constitutional framework The People have decide to implement.

They should in the big picture direct their complaints to not at the protestors,

nor the courts making a verdict on if the Executive branch has done it's job.

In this case, the Executive did not for what ever reasons successfully fulfil

'it's mandate to run an election country wide in one day.' Even with the aide of early voting days.

It's not like other nations do NOT have protestors on election days, nor violence,

but it seems Thailands executive did a particularly bad job of keeping order to run the election,

in spite pf truck loads of talk that they would.

In the end they did not and the Court ruled it was insufficient in fulfilling

it's sovereign duty as the executive.

.

But, but, but... Thaksin and the Reds have two of the three (executive and legislative) in their pocket. That's 2 out of three, so they overrule the judiciary. That's democracy right? 2 to 1 = we win. /sarc

[rametindallas]

A classic..

Stay classy, Reds.

[rametindallas]

I see the new redshirt leadership is bring out their 25 most educated supporters.

That's some intellectual firepower right there.

Be3cCzBCIAECxeg.jpg

Whereas the PRDC are all well educated 'good people'

Other than than the willful ignorance and rude display shown by the Red Shirts (as usual) and the peaceful anti govt protesters. I do see some similarity. But neither one appears to be the rich Bangkok Amart, you so often refer to them as.

No, no, no... those ARE rich Amart in the photo. Only Amart are against the Yingluck government! All the regular people LOVE Thaksin and PTP. /sarc

[rametindallas]

IRONY: These people are using the courts to try to defeat the courts.

[webfact]

Red shirts file complaints over poll nullification
The Nation


An official at Government Complex displays a banner in support of the People

BANGKOK: -- Red-shirt groups in many provinces yesterday filed police complaints against the six Constitutional Court judges who voted to annul the February 2 election.

In the complaint, they accused the judges of malfeasance, violating the charter's Article 157. The complaints were filed in many places, including Khon Kaen, Phitsanulok, Lop Buri and Bangkok's Bang Phlat district.

Most of the complainants said they were seeking to protect their rights, and demanded compensation for the costs they incurred in going to vote.

In Bang Phlat, about 40 people filed a complaint with district police, while in Khon Kaen, provincial red-shirt leaders Piyachai Nachai and Yongyout Kongpatimakon submitted complaints along with 300 copies of identification cards of red shirts.

"Upholding rights"

Invitations were extended to red shirts via social networks for several days, urging them to gather and file complaints against the judges.

Thongrerm Areekul from Maha Sarakham said he joined the red shirts in Khon Kaen in filing police complaints against the judges in order to uphold his rights.

In Chiang Mai, a similar complaint against the judges and Election Commission members was filed with Muang district police by the Rak Chiang Mai 51 group, headed by red-shirt leader Phetcharawat Wattanapongsirikul.

In Lop Buri, about 100 red shirts led by Veera Buajeep lodged a complaint against the six majority judges in the February 2 poll ruling.

"More than 20 million people came to vote, but the judges nullified the election. The real cause was the blocking of the election by the PDRC [People's Democratic Reform Committee] protesters. Instead of tackling the cause, this is meddling with the result - and it's wrong," Veera said.


-- The Nation 2014-04-02

[Chupup]

Now that's what i call a protest, mos original

[The stuttering parrot]

I don't think it matters wether this court action goes the distance or not.

It might be a publicity stunt and if it is it's a very effective one as to getting the word out about being denied a vote.

That guy who is going around with the respect my vote and can you here the people sing slogans are getting a lot of air time and press and the people are listening to these messages.

As I said before when sutep went back on his word not to disrupt the voting and denied people there democratic right to vote that was a very big no no and it's coming back to bite him and the dems on the ass.

[aussieinthailand]

When The people keep having their vote disrespected, voting and wining, and after have the Yellow steal the government either by force, (coup) at gun point,

or judicial then yu'p people will get angry regardless of political persuasion.

Sometimes Flipping the bird at a situation is just the right thing to do. It is a fact that Suthep did call on his minions to prevent by any means not to allow people to vote, That is illegal, FACT, Why is he not locked up??? and that he now seems to have complete impunity, and dose not have to face court while the Suthep supporters keep screeching YL must face court and she has,

[rebelplatoon]

One should not pass judgment by looks alone. But did they kidnap these people from a mad house? The lights are on, but there's nobody home....