Jatuporn: UDD's rally on April 5-6 just a "final exercise before the big war"

[penwithcris]

I would love to witness the politicians from all parties who advocate violence brought together for gladiatorial combat in a Bangkok arena

I am sick of puny politicians across the globe sabre rattling from the safety of their opulent offices and putting the lives of lowly foot soldiers at risk

Would Blair and Bush have taken Britain and America to war if they and their children were immediately conscripted into the front lines of battle?

Blair has become a multi-millionaire out of the corpses of young squaddies from deprived areas of the UK

Stiffen the sinews Suthep, summon up the blood Jatuporn(Henry V)

Let battle begin

[Donnie Brasco]

I am amazed at the overwhelming anti democratic posts here.

You are all advocating Thailand rejects the voters choice of government. (yet again)

Why?

It has zero relevance to you, as a foreigner, yet you think your views mean something.

They are irrelevant so calm down and stop thinking you know what you are talking about.

Hey somo

These anti-government gringos who are trying to give you such a rough

ride here have little or no appreciation for the deep geopolitics in play here.

It would take a lifetime to teach them but in order to open their perceptions to the deeper globalist undercurrents in play here they'd have to give up their pretensions to upward mobility.

Like dyed-in-the-wool Buckhouse boosters "back 'ome" they cling to these local memes and the notion that if they muckle and suckle HARD enough they'll look like top shelfers.

Thirty years ago these were the guys who might have boasted that "the missus' uncle was a bodyguard to some grand pooh ah.

These are the guys whose boasts of Uni-bun scores are supposed to impress us.

These are the poor sods who support the break-even rag swap enterprise of a crypto-trollop with every spare penny they have so that she appear to be NOT on the game.

It's ALWAYS more complicated.

And those who don't get that are ripe for a right good rogering.

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[soalbundy]

They were elected you know. They can do what they want now. Don't have to answer to anyone. Above the law.

Usual PTP/UDD mantra.

What amazes me is that people really fall for the PR that PTP are democractic.

I wont say they are democratic, but they where democratic elected by the majority of Thai people.

What amazes me is that people really fall for Suthep and believe he will ever lead to democracy .

Neither side is democratic.

One side wants the poor to have no say in electing a government, the other wants to bleed the country dry.

Until ''the people'' realise this and actually do something about it, we'll be going round in circles for years to come!

The political choices are, frankly speaking, awful and farang seem to be only aggravating and compounding the challenges, problems..

There are the flaming posts that are written from the presumption this is a fight between the forces of good versus the forces of evil incarnate. Contrary to the blazing colors of their respective posts, however, too many posters think, believe, write, in black and white terms - simplistic Manichean terms.

While I recognize Thaksin's complex impact on Thai society and history, I wouldn't ever say he's someone I could advocate. Suthep believes in what he is doing, but he is a militant reactionary and an equally corrupt Thaksin who, moreover, has walked freely for too long without himself having been rightfully hauled in to a court of law.

Thaksin's friends are not necessarily my friends. Likewise, Suthep and his pals don't turn my thinking either. So it's been a false dichotomy from the outset, many years ago. Indeed, how can the enemy of my enemy be my friend when in fact all of these people are the worst enemies a person could have the misfortune to meet. The guy you one day thought was your best buddy and ally suddenly becomes your opponent and, worse, your virulent enemy. Few, if any, among these people and their posters could ever be my friend.

So rather than having this black-white Manichean dichotomy, Thailand has more so stumbled in to a sort of socio-economic and political manage 'a trois. There are the people who have, in their final analysis, decided democracy doesn't serve their interests. There are those who believe democracy is their only possibility. And between each is the interface of those who worship the global economy and its big bucks.

Corruption is no stranger to any of them.

One of the few posts of yours that i can agree with.Thailand today,think American prohibition era brought forward to 2014,its a turf war with both sides tugging at the trough. Both sides have their consigliori, their capo's, their foot soldiers,all overseen by a corrupt government and police force.Thailand needs an Eliot Ness not a new government.

[allan michaud]

What a guy!

[tomhell]

Hello Charmonman,

thanks for your reply. I was in a provocative mood and felt the need to defend the udd. Since my childhood I admired Robin Hood. Maybe you know the story, it´s about a hero who defends the poor and weak from the rich and powerful. I am quite a simple person and this my view. ;-)

Bangkok is the center for the rich and powerful, The old family clans against the new family clans.

Violence can happen more often in a society when there is no social justice/equality.

A society just based on profit, greed and corruption is inhuman. Dont understand me wrong this is no excuse for violence. You have to see the big picture it´s not just about good or bad people.

It´s about democracy, social rights, good education also for poor people.

Capitalism needs a counterforce. I dont say socialism is perfect or the best

A balanced society. Benefit for all. Not just a minority. This is my deep wish for Thailand.

Sorry for my bad english.

Tom

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Dear arrogant Bangkok People,

lets imagine the UDD comes to Bangkok and no violence happends. I think then you are very unhappy. Oh my god, the redshirts are so primitive and you Bangkok people are so cultivated and intelligent.

I can understand very well, why some people dont want to be governed from Bangkok.

This is the reason I dont want to live in a big city. I dont want to become like you.

Best wishes

Tom

This is about a prominent Red Shirt leader calling on his followers to start a civil war. This is an incitement to violence, is it not?

You don't have to be an "arrogant Bangkok person", cultivated or even all that intelligent to not want a frigging civil war!

What is your point, Tom?

[metisdead]

A flame post has been removed as well as the replies.

[northernjohn]

 
He claimed that there were more people this year who were frustrated than 
those in 2010 because they wanted an election but their wish was shattered by 
just a handful of people and, worse, the election was declared null and void by 
the Constitutional Court.

Jatuporn seems to think it is the red shirts who should make the decision when to call the election. I wonder how many life's he is willing to sacrifice in losing his attempt to tell the Thai Government when to hold elections.

It didn't seem to bother him the 90 he sacrificed in 2010 he is still insisting on the red shirts calling the shots.

Every time I look at him I think there is a man who would be of great service to the cons when he goes to prison. the sooner he goes the better.

What is with the red shirts. They get court jesters, communists and separatist's for leaders. Can they not find some one for an honest democracy. Instead of practicing democracy they they are practicing mockracy.

[Jim walker]

Even more drivel form the wonderful intellectual leaders in Thailand war what war thee one first showing in TV.

[phantomfiddler]

Dear arrogant Bangkok People,

lets imagine the UDD comes to Bangkok and no violence happends. I think then you are very unhappy. Oh my god, the redshirts are so primitive and you Bangkok people are so cultivated and intelligent.

I can understand very well, why some people dont want to be governed from Bangkok.

This is the reason I dont want to live in a big city. I dont want to become like you.

Best wishes

Tom

Judging from the vast majority of opinions stated here, Tom, it would appear that 98% of the posters do not wish to be like you

[chrisrazz]

It is disappointing to me that falang, who have benefitted from the many historic battles their forebears fought and won to establish societies in which many (though not enough) have been able to participate with freedom and fairness, to the extent that allows a position that gives them the choice of what country they reside, have so little empathy for the people of the country they have chosen to live in. The constant references to the uneducated buffalos is purely and simply ridiculous. Look back a few hundred years or even less. Every one of us is lucky that history has led us to this point because without those who fought for our freedom we would still be serfs who's virgin bride would be deflowered on our wedding night by our lords and masters.

[soalbundy]

It is disappointing to me that falang, who have benefitted from the many historic battles their forebears fought and won to establish societies in which many (though not enough) have been able to participate with freedom and fairness, to the extent that allows a position that gives them the choice of what country they reside, have so little empathy for the people of the country they have chosen to live in. The constant references to the uneducated buffalos is purely and simply ridiculous. Look back a few hundred years or even less. Every one of us is lucky that history has led us to this point because without those who fought for our freedom we would still be serfs who's virgin bride would be deflowered on our wedding night by our lords and masters.

Can i be lord and master?........I'll spare the ugly ones.

[Docno]

Saturday and Sunday is just a “final exercise before the big war” after Songkran festival, said Jatuporn Promphan on Wednesday.

Aren't you and Natawut in court on the 18th to have your bail review???

Oh right.... so this war will be actually because both of you will be locked up again. I see now.

Maybe he's just learning from Suthep who coincidently started his street protests after being indicted for murder ... That has seemed to keep Khun S out of court ever since.

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[charmonman]

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Hello Charmonman,

thanks for your reply. I was in a provocative mood and felt the need to defend the udd. Since my childhood I admired Robin Hood. Maybe you know the story, it´s about a hero who defends the poor and weak from the rich and powerful. I am quite a simple person and this my view. ;-)

Bangkok is the center for the rich and powerful, The old family clans against the new family clans.

Violence can happen more often in a society when there is no social justice/equality.

A society just based on profit, greed and corruption is inhuman. Dont understand me wrong this is no excuse for violence. You have to see the big picture it´s not just about good or bad people.

It´s about democracy, social rights, good education also for poor people.

Capitalism needs a counterforce. I dont say socialism is perfect or the best

A balanced society. Benefit for all. Not just a minority. This is my deep wish for Thailand.

Sorry for my bad english.

Tom

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Dear arrogant Bangkok People,

lets imagine the UDD comes to Bangkok and no violence happends. I think then you are very unhappy. Oh my god, the redshirts are so primitive and you Bangkok people are so cultivated and intelligent.

I can understand very well, why some people dont want to be governed from Bangkok.

This is the reason I dont want to live in a big city. I dont want to become like you.

Best wishes

Tom

This is about a prominent Red Shirt leader calling on his followers to start a civil war. This is an incitement to violence, is it not?

You don't have to be an "arrogant Bangkok person", cultivated or even all that intelligent to not want a frigging civil war!

What is your point, Tom?

I share many of your feelings about rich vs. poor. I have supported socialist causes all my life. However, Thaksin and his hired thug Jatuporn are not Robin Hoods. They are self-serving, evil men, and I wish they would step aside and stop threatening to tear the country apart so more honest people could get to work improving the lives of the poor.

[charmonman]

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While it's nice to hear from the locals from time to time on this board it's pretty clear that there are two main groups capable of posting.

The self taught gals who have learned to use what god has given them in order to pull themselves up in Thai society would be one group.
The self-satisfied spawn of privileged elites who've graduated from third rate Western Uni's, kacked out in the west and scampered back to a tragically over-staffed family noodle shop would be another.

Since the tarts are all busy hustling gringo marks on the "dating" sites they are rarely motivated to post anti-gov't snipes here.

The privileged returning kacksters have the time and present just enough grammatical tells to reveal themselves here in this forum.

In terms of accuracy, ingenuity, credibility, pureness of purpose, intellectual appeal, originality and creativity the foraging posts of the love questors FAR outclass those of the idle elite we endure in these threads.

Just sayin'


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Donnie - I'm sure you are quite an intelligent guy, but your posts often come off as really condescending.

Just sayin'

[harryfrompattaya]

Posts advocating violence have been removed as well as the replies.

Lets us all pray this weekend for peace and love

I am looking for a piece I can love this weekend

[Publicus]

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Hello Charmonman,

thanks for your reply. I was in a provocative mood and felt the need to defend the udd. Since my childhood I admired Robin Hood. Maybe you know the story, it´s about a hero who defends the poor and weak from the rich and powerful. I am quite a simple person and this my view. ;-)

Bangkok is the center for the rich and powerful, The old family clans against the new family clans.

Violence can happen more often in a society when there is no social justice/equality.

A society just based on profit, greed and corruption is inhuman. Dont understand me wrong this is no excuse for violence. You have to see the big picture it´s not just about good or bad people.

It´s about democracy, social rights, good education also for poor people.

Capitalism needs a counterforce. I dont say socialism is perfect or the best

A balanced society. Benefit for all. Not just a minority. This is my deep wish for Thailand.

Sorry for my bad english.

Tom

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Dear arrogant Bangkok People,

lets imagine the UDD comes to Bangkok and no violence happends. I think then you are very unhappy. Oh my god, the redshirts are so primitive and you Bangkok people are so cultivated and intelligent.

I can understand very well, why some people dont want to be governed from Bangkok.

This is the reason I dont want to live in a big city. I dont want to become like you.

Best wishes

Tom

This is about a prominent Red Shirt leader calling on his followers to start a civil war. This is an incitement to violence, is it not?

You don't have to be an "arrogant Bangkok person", cultivated or even all that intelligent to not want a frigging civil war!

What is your point, Tom?

I share many of your feelings about rich vs. poor. I have supported socialist causes all my life. However, Thaksin and his hired thug Jatuporn are not Robin Hoods. They are self-serving, evil men, and I wish they would step aside and stop threatening to tear the country apart so more honest people could get to work improving the lives of the poor.

This Manichean view that the conflict is a struggle of the good versus the evil is simple-minded, primitive, even somewhat mystical and certainly arbitrary.

For one thing, the clash here involves conflicting values. Corruption is a constant of Thai society and culture. However, almost everyone at this forum can agree that, pragmatically, corruption is corrosive and destructive of the public weal. So corruption is wrong on many levels of values beyond good vs evil.

Dictatorship and military mutiny coups d'état are wrong on a very pragmatic and realistic level. Is a coup d'état inherently good or evil? And who supports or instigates military mutiny coups d'état? Military mutiny is wrong on many levels beyond the simple question of good or evil. If it's only a question of good vs evil, and If military mutiny is evil, then around whose neck does one place the collar of military mutiny?

The good verses evil moralists are also inflexible in the extreme, which is a significant reason any resolution of the ongoing chaos remains elusive at best.

In Thailand feudalism and modernity overlap. In objective terms the two are inherently contradictory. Some societies evolved from one to the other relatively peacefully while others required revolution, an approach that resulted in a sharp separation of the two.

Rather than seek a zero-sum outcome in Thailand, which is self-defeating, one needs to seek win-win solutions, i.e., solutions that are practical, pragmatic, viable. A conflict framed in arbitrary terms such as good vs evil goes on interminably and is only destructive.

[Donnie Brasco]

Gratifying to learn that I even have a following. Sorry charmonman but as is often the case, nuance, irony and word choice belie one's real intent.

This is recreation is it not ?

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[charmonman]

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Hello Charmonman,

thanks for your reply. I was in a provocative mood and felt the need to defend the udd. Since my childhood I admired Robin Hood. Maybe you know the story, it´s about a hero who defends the poor and weak from the rich and powerful. I am quite a simple person and this my view. ;-)

Bangkok is the center for the rich and powerful, The old family clans against the new family clans.

Violence can happen more often in a society when there is no social justice/equality.

A society just based on profit, greed and corruption is inhuman. Dont understand me wrong this is no excuse for violence. You have to see the big picture it´s not just about good or bad people.

It´s about democracy, social rights, good education also for poor people.

Capitalism needs a counterforce. I dont say socialism is perfect or the best

A balanced society. Benefit for all. Not just a minority. This is my deep wish for Thailand.

Sorry for my bad english.

Tom

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This is about a prominent Red Shirt leader calling on his followers to start a civil war. This is an incitement to violence, is it not?

You don't have to be an "arrogant Bangkok person", cultivated or even all that intelligent to not want a frigging civil war!

What is your point, Tom?

I share many of your feelings about rich vs. poor. I have supported socialist causes all my life. However, Thaksin and his hired thug Jatuporn are not Robin Hoods. They are self-serving, evil men, and I wish they would step aside and stop threatening to tear the country apart so more honest people could get to work improving the lives of the poor.

This Manichean view that the conflict is a struggle of the good versus the evil is simple-minded, primitive, even somewhat mystical and certainly arbitrary.

For one thing, the clash here involves conflicting values. Corruption is a constant of Thai society and culture. However, almost everyone at this forum can agree that, pragmatically, corruption is corrosive and destructive of the public weal. So corruption is wrong on many levels of values beyond good vs evil.

Dictatorship and military mutiny coups d'état are wrong on a very pragmatic and realistic level. Is a coup d'état inherently good or evil? And who supports or instigates military mutiny coups d'état? Military mutiny is wrong on many levels beyond the simple question of good or evil. If it's only a question of good vs evil, and If military mutiny is evil, then around whose neck does one place the collar of military mutiny?

The good verses evil moralists are also inflexible in the extreme, which is a significant reason any resolution of the ongoing chaos remains elusive at best.

In Thailand feudalism and modernity overlap. In objective terms the two are inherently contradictory. Some societies evolved from one to the other relatively peacefully while others required revolution, an approach that resulted in a sharp separation of the two.

Rather than seek a zero-sum outcome in Thailand, which is self-defeating, one needs to seek win-win solutions, i.e., solutions that are practical, pragmatic, viable. A conflict framed in arbitrary terms such as good vs evil goes on interminably and is only destructive.

You certainly read a lot into my use of the single word "evil". Perhaps I should have just stuck with "self-serving".

[rubl]

I share many of your feelings about rich vs. poor. I have supported socialist causes all my life. However, Thaksin and his hired thug Jatuporn are not Robin Hoods. They are self-serving, evil men, and I wish they would step aside and stop threatening to tear the country apart so more honest people could get to work improving the lives of the poor.

This Manichean view that the conflict is a struggle of the good versus the evil is simple-minded, primitive, even somewhat mystical and certainly arbitrary.

For one thing, the clash here involves conflicting values. Corruption is a constant of Thai society and culture. However, almost everyone at this forum can agree that, pragmatically, corruption is corrosive and destructive of the public weal. So corruption is wrong on many levels of values beyond good vs evil.

Dictatorship and military mutiny coups d'état are wrong on a very pragmatic and realistic level. Is a coup d'état inherently good or evil? And who supports or instigates military mutiny coups d'état? Military mutiny is wrong on many levels beyond the simple question of good or evil. If it's only a question of good vs evil, and If military mutiny is evil, then around whose neck does one place the collar of military mutiny?

The good verses evil moralists are also inflexible in the extreme, which is a significant reason any resolution of the ongoing chaos remains elusive at best.

In Thailand feudalism and modernity overlap. In objective terms the two are inherently contradictory. Some societies evolved from one to the other relatively peacefully while others required revolution, an approach that resulted in a sharp separation of the two.

Rather than seek a zero-sum outcome in Thailand, which is self-defeating, one needs to seek win-win solutions, i.e., solutions that are practical, pragmatic, viable. A conflict framed in arbitrary terms such as good vs evil goes on interminably and is only destructive.

Sounds reasonable, but in another topic (Surapong warns of possible violence if court rules against Yingluck) you wrote

"You people not only are asking for it and inviting it to happen, you're encouraging it and drooling over the prospect. The American Revolution occurred precisely because of this kind of stuff from another colonizer government. Those who advocate a military mutiny coup d'état and talk about the army killing other Thais have to stand down. That means you."

That sounds a bit pro-one-side and against-the-others

[Publicus]

I share many of your feelings about rich vs. poor. I have supported socialist causes all my life. However, Thaksin and his hired thug Jatuporn are not Robin Hoods. They are self-serving, evil men, and I wish they would step aside and stop threatening to tear the country apart so more honest people could get to work improving the lives of the poor.

This Manichean view that the conflict is a struggle of the good versus the evil is simple-minded, primitive, even somewhat mystical and certainly arbitrary.

For one thing, the clash here involves conflicting values. Corruption is a constant of Thai society and culture. However, almost everyone at this forum can agree that, pragmatically, corruption is corrosive and destructive of the public weal. So corruption is wrong on many levels of values beyond good vs evil.

Dictatorship and military mutiny coups d'état are wrong on a very pragmatic and realistic level. Is a coup d'état inherently good or evil? And who supports or instigates military mutiny coups d'état? Military mutiny is wrong on many levels beyond the simple question of good or evil. If it's only a question of good vs evil, and If military mutiny is evil, then around whose neck does one place the collar of military mutiny?

The good verses evil moralists are also inflexible in the extreme, which is a significant reason any resolution of the ongoing chaos remains elusive at best.

In Thailand feudalism and modernity overlap. In objective terms the two are inherently contradictory. Some societies evolved from one to the other relatively peacefully while others required revolution, an approach that resulted in a sharp separation of the two.

Rather than seek a zero-sum outcome in Thailand, which is self-defeating, one needs to seek win-win solutions, i.e., solutions that are practical, pragmatic, viable. A conflict framed in arbitrary terms such as good vs evil goes on interminably and is only destructive.

Sounds reasonable, but in another topic (Surapong warns of possible violence if court rules against Yingluck) you wrote

"You people not only are asking for it and inviting it to happen, you're encouraging it and drooling over the prospect. The American Revolution occurred precisely because of this kind of stuff from another colonizer government. Those who advocate a military mutiny coup d'état and talk about the army killing other Thais have to stand down. That means you."

That sounds a bit pro-one-side and against-the-others

Correct. You have a sharp eye for the obvious.

[geriatrickid]

'the big war', peacefully of course meant in a way only UDD leaders understand 'peace'.

Mind you, k. Jatuporn is doing fine alongside Dr. weng with his 'eradicate the Democrats' and Ms. Thida with her 'time to wipe out reactionairs'.

No. It is a call to defend against the declaration of war by your friend Suthep. It was Suthep who declared "war"in his speeches over the past month.

[Nickymaster]

'the big war', peacefully of course meant in a way only UDD leaders understand 'peace'.

Mind you, k. Jatuporn is doing fine alongside Dr. weng with his 'eradicate the Democrats' and Ms. Thida with her 'time to wipe out reactionairs'.

No. It is a call to defend against the declaration of war by your friend Suthep. It was Suthep who declared "war"in his speeches over the past month.

Yeeah but we all know what the reds mean by war. Remember their form of war in 2010? I have never heard Suthep say things like:

Edited April 4, 2014 by Nickymaster

[xenophon]

Sound and fury signifying nutter.

Irrespective of who wins this battle between the kleptocratic elites, this dangerous clown embodies all the qualities of the stereotypical pompous, precious, puerile little Thai male - repulsive, ridiculous and retarded.

[mikemac]

All Jutaporn is saying is that people mandate should be respected, not trampled and violated. If you believed in democracy, you should cheer for him. Give the UDD the right to elect and they will go home. Simple.

NO he isn't. He IS saying if we can't get our own way legally then we will TAKE it anyway we want.

If YOU believe in democracy then you will know that it is NOT just a vote that makes democracy.

It is also honesty, transparency, accountability, personal responsibility, working for the the benefit of ALL the Thai people and not just the favoured few and ignoring the rest.

It is respect for ALL the laws and rules, court judgements both for and against you, like it or not.

The PTP have taken the vote, claimed the majority and trampled on the rest of the lines that I wrote above.

Sadly they believe that they are above all the people of Thailand and the rules and laws that apply to EVERYBODY don't apply to them.

Why is election not legal? It's Suterp that is acting illegally and want to TAKE it anyway he wants albeit with the help of the judiciary.

The judiciary acted in a way that people cast suspicion and has done that before. They have behaved in a way that showed double standard. If you can't see that than I felt you have not researched hard enough.

I can agree a vote is only part of democracy but a people council is outright non democractic.

These clowns who keep harping on about the election make me laugh. The one and only defense they have for that disgusting so-called political party (more like a poorly run criminal gang) is a rigged, phony, dodgy and illegitimate election, based on lies and paid for votes. And the poor suckers who voted for them in this "democratic" election are repaid by being ripped off and lied to, eg. rice farmers.

I have said it before and will say it again, the only people who support this criminal regime the PTP, on this forum, are either lacking in morals and/or brains or are low-life trolls.

Edited April 4, 2014 by mikemac

[mikemac]

'the big war', peacefully of course meant in a way only UDD leaders understand 'peace'.

Mind you, k. Jatuporn is doing fine alongside Dr. weng with his 'eradicate the Democrats' and Ms. Thida with her 'time to wipe out reactionairs'.

No. It is a call to defend against the declaration of war by your friend Suthep. It was Suthep who declared "war"in his speeches over the past month.

"No. It is a call to defend against the declaration of war by your friend Suthep. It was Suthep who declared "war"in his speeches over the past month."..............................

Come on GK, even you don't believe that codswallop for one second !

And as far as windups go, not one of your better ones mate.

[rubl]

'the big war', peacefully of course meant in a way only UDD leaders understand 'peace'.

Mind you, k. Jatuporn is doing fine alongside Dr. weng with his 'eradicate the Democrats' and Ms. Thida with her 'time to wipe out reactionairs'.

No. It is a call to defend against the declaration of war by your friend Suthep. It was Suthep who declared "war"in his speeches over the past month.

Actually it would seem it is a bit confusing. It all depends on who of the UDD you listen to.

""We have the goal on this Saturday to mobilise the Redshirts all over the nation in greater number than the PCAD supporters," Mr. Anuwat, regional UDD leader in northeastern Thailand said"

""We do not fight for any particular person but we fight for the benefit of the general public," Ms. Thida said."

"“Our aim is to send a message to those who want to seize the power from the people that they have no chance of success,” said Jatuporn as he urged red-shirt followers to have trust in their leaders."

"Thai Red Shirts mobilise to defend besieged PM"

"Kwanchai said 40,000 volunteers have already signed up to act as guards for Red Shirt protests, with several further rounds of training planned across the northeastern region of Isaan."

""Once Thaksin uses the Reds, it may be impossible to control them," said Paul Chambers, director of research at the Institute of South East Asian Affairs at Chiang Mai University."

Edited April 4, 2014 by rubl

[harryfrompattaya]

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Lets us all pray this weekend for peace and love

I am looking for a piece I can love this weekend

Maybe Suthep and Jatuporn fight it out on pay TV and the money goes to pay the poor Rice farmers. A win win for everyone

Who do you think will win Suthep or Jatuporn ?

I bet my friend Don King will love to promote that fight throughout the world the Under Card Obama vs Putin

[Publicus]

All Jutaporn is saying is that people mandate should be respected, not trampled and violated. If you believed in democracy, you should cheer for him. Give the UDD the right to elect and they will go home. Simple.

NO he isn't. He IS saying if we can't get our own way legally then we will TAKE it anyway we want.

If YOU believe in democracy then you will know that it is NOT just a vote that makes democracy.

It is also honesty, transparency, accountability, personal responsibility, working for the the benefit of ALL the Thai people and not just the favoured few and ignoring the rest.

It is respect for ALL the laws and rules, court judgements both for and against you, like it or not.

The PTP have taken the vote, claimed the majority and trampled on the rest of the lines that I wrote above.

Sadly they believe that they are above all the people of Thailand and the rules and laws that apply to EVERYBODY don't apply to them.

Why is election not legal? It's Suterp that is acting illegally and want to TAKE it anyway he wants albeit with the help of the judiciary.

The judiciary acted in a way that people cast suspicion and has done that before. They have behaved in a way that showed double standard. If you can't see that than I felt you have not researched hard enough.

I can agree a vote is only part of democracy but a people council is outright non democractic.

These clowns who keep harping on about the election make me laugh. The one and only defense they have for that disgusting so-called political party (more like a poorly run criminal gang) is a rigged, phony, dodgy and illegitimate election, based on lies and paid for votes. And the poor suckers who voted for them in this "democratic" election are repaid by being ripped off and lied to, eg. rice farmers.

I have said it before and will say it again, the only people who support this criminal regime the PTP, on this forum, are either lacking in morals and/or brains or are low-life trolls.

"the only people who support this criminal regime the PTP, on this forum, are either lacking in morals and/or brains or are low-life trolls."

That leaves a lot of room for constructive dialogue and perhaps some commonly agreed "reforms" -- NOT. So you get to determine that you yourself are good and that any among us who happen to disagree with your view of things are rotten to the core, evil incarnate. I recall reading of that kind of thing in the History books, and seeing something of it on tv, in the movies and whatnot.

I'd dare to say most of the PTP detesting farang here are refugees from the various conservative or right wing parties of their respective countries. You know, in the UK the Torries or even further right, in Canada the New Conservatives, in the USA the Republican Party and the tea party blimps, in Australia the Liberal Party, the Conservative Party. I say this because it could seem all I ever hear from you people is the same old right wing crap. Or worse.

[takkatan in the land]

until the shins don´t condemn this red mob they cannot complaint about suthep and their thugs

[Mrgk]

"the only people who support this criminal regime the PTP, on this forum, are either lacking in morals and/or brains or are low-life trolls."

That leaves a lot of room for constructive dialogue and perhaps some commonly agreed "reforms" -- NOT. So you get to determine that you yourself are good and that any among us who happen to disagree with your view of things are rotten to the core, evil incarnate. I recall reading of that kind of thing in the History books, and seeing something of it on tv, in the movies and whatnot.

I'd dare to say most of the PTP detesting farang here are refugees from the various conservative or right wing parties of their respective countries. You know, in the UK the Torries or even further right, in Canada the New Conservatives, in the USA the Republican Party and the tea party blimps, in Australia the Liberal Party, the Conservative Party. I say this because it could seem all I ever hear from you people is the same old right wing crap. Or worse.

My personal stance is not one of support for the PTP - rather, it is one of opposition to the forces that are attempting to overthrow any semblance of democracy in Thailand due to their loathing of the PTP.

As for the politics of the "Thaksin-loathing / PTP-loving" (let´s humor the general thrust of the discussion on here) farang on TV, a poll would be interesting. Put me down as a conservative Red.