Court petition over Thawil's transfer 'aims to oust govt'

[srsv1238]

If they have 'broken laws' then why does Yingluck get charged with this vague 'deriliction of duty'? Why were the charges brought only AFTER the protests began?

Why was one PM ousted by the courts after the coup for going on a cooking show?

If Yingluck is removed from office, then another MP from the ruling party will replace her.. so then the courts go after the entire cabinet, then they go after more than 300 MPs that voted for a charter amendment that would have made the upper house fully elected. Why did the pad/pdrc facists sabotage the elections so that's not possible? Because these 'charges' against her are obviously just a ploy to have her removed from office and then to create a vacuum which the military appointed senators fill.

any reasonable person can see this whole thing is a conspiriacy by the military/'protesters'/democrats, etc. to seize power from the elected party, the party that win elections by a landslide against the democrats which are the civilian face of this countries former military dictatorship.

Replacing the elected PM with an appointed PM from a body of half unelected senators, which is full of appointed senators-that were appointed by the previous coup, as were the 'judges' of the constitution court and NaCC.. is obviously an act against democracy, especially since the reason we don't have a lowerhouse(where most political power is supposed to emenate from) is because anti-democracy 'protesters' sabotaged the election with the help of state officials like the EC..

and then to give the 'appointed' PM full powers? and then Suthep and his band of anti-democracy facists insist they will continue to sabotage the next election, all they have to do it prevent voting in a few democrat strongholds and the 'appointed' PM goes on indefinently !

This is an outrage and we can see how this country is actually ruled by a military junta that uses 'judges' as dictators, this country is going to have a militant backlash to this dictatorship.

So what you are saying is every court, every agency, all the military, and the majority of charters and businesses and people dont like YL and the PTP in Government? Seems to me you exxagerate a little or maybe you cant see why so many would be against the RED party. Or maybe, just maybe this party has made a joke of democracy, broken laws, ignored court rulings, stolen or misappropriated funds from the people and the country, which totally pissed everyone off so they dont want the REDS doing these things anymore. I would say the longer these people are in power more people will be going against them.

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Excuse me! But all you are in due democratic process right now. Or have forgotten that 380 mps who voted secretly for the amnesty bill still may be charged for this. Or maybe the 450 billion baht that disappeared. Maybe you think it flew away. How about going against the courts decision that the protest are peaceful and chalerm attacking them anyway. All that was just to arrest suthep and leaders of the pdrc. There are a lot more cases in action now against most of the Gov and it isnt happening because of your rich and elite and red prejudism. Its because some have and still are learning the truth about how the PTP party and their leaders have been lying to the people, takin money from the country, trying to positions reds in all places of power to control all positions in the Gov. Come on! A conspiracy is an idiot conclusion. Facts cant be suppressed forever and they got caught. Now almost every week a new scandal about what the Gov did and does wrongfully is in the news. YL herself admitted calling her brother the criminal for advise using skype. That in itself should tell you who is pulling the strings here. Im no fan of an unelected council. But you should not post things so biased to the reds without having facts thrown back. This country will not move until the PTP leaders are all removed from politics.

Due process is just that. A process that takes time. Its happening now to YL and her charter. If her party is innocent then she will be justified. But it doesnt look so good for them especially when their is overwhelming evidence against them. Also their support if secession even if it was done by not speaking out against her party was an admission. There are just too many things coming to light that is proof enough this is not

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Also the PM previously got ousted for getting money for that cooking show. And thaksin got ousted for buying land cheap knowing he could sell it when he knew in advance about government projects planned and approved. He abused his position to have financial gain

I suggest you do a bit of research here on this claim " And thaksin got ousted for buying land cheap knowing he could sell it when he knew in advance about government projects planned and approved. He abused his position to have financial gain...."

Thaksin was found to have violated conflict of interest rules and made him the first Thai politician to be convicted of corruption committed while prime minister...however even the BOT the very same Bank Of Thailand advised him what he did was not illegal...before he did it...it is a matter of public record...

now to address " And thaksin got ousted for buying land cheap knowing he could sell it when he knew in advance about government projects planned and approved. He abused his position to have financial gain...."

The split decision by Thailand’s supreme court on a five-to-four majority verdict cleared Thaksin, 59, of more serious charges of abuse of power to obtain the land at a bargain price.

In fact as a Thai reporter . so clearly interpreted...

" Thaksin reported his assets, in the US$ billions, even before he entered politics. Logically, how can the court ruled to confiscate, much of it, all compiled before Thaksin entered politics-for his political activity once entered politics. Furthermore, again, in his approval to his then wife to bid for state assets, Thaksin, indeed asked for the opinion of many, such as the Bank of Thailand, if the approval is legal. Everyone Thaksin asked said it was legal.

And that brings us back to Kuhnying Jaruvan who headed up the asset seizure committee that nationalized his assets...(hmmm where did that money go...? you think they are holding in account for him...?)

Does it matter? The fact is the majority of the court convicted him. Is not tbat what the reds claim us democracy? The facts are still the same matter hoe many billions he got back. I was only tryin to clarify to psspeaker his claim that the previous PMs were wrongfully taken from their positions.

It does matter. Democracy is away to elect officials based on who can get the most votes. In legal matters, the rule of law must prevail. Justice ought to be blind to whomever stands accused. You shouldn't have one law for one person and another law for someone else.

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[srsv1238]

Thawil was outrageously anti-PT and appeared regularly on yellow stages.

Under the Abhisit regime he was caught lying on several occasions, famously stating “did not use force to disperse red-shirt protesters on May 19, 2010. He said they had only asked the protesters to vacate the Ratchaprasong intersection in order to make way for traffic.”

It is clear that his transfer was valid and reasonable.

So you admit that if you are against the ptp you have to go and than this transfer was valid and reasonable.

Thank you for explaning to all off us of rule nummer 1 in the red book manifest.

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Who hired Thawil and why can't he be dismissed he the PM does not think he is doing a good job? Within any organization, the leadership must have confidence that those whom they entrust with power act dutifully. If Thawil was actively speaking out against the ruling PM, how could he be trusted to carry out his responsibilities dutifully? Seems like the PM was right to get rid of him then and the court is wrong to try to sack the PM over a basic decision like this that all executives are required to make. I now understand the definition of judicial coup.

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[srsv1238]

It seems to me that all. Thai in the PTP care about us an electorate vote from the majority. Even in the US they haveu many presidents who have been sscked from moral and legal issues. Watergate scandal, nixon, clinton to couple. They were elected by the majority yet their wrongdoings got them canned and all it took was one person showing how they did wrong and some investigation to prove it. The same ia happening here yet the people in the north either dont care, have red blinders or are paid to ignore the bad things about their leaders actions. .An elected Gov is a good thing and id part of democracy. But the elected Govs main concrern should be for their peoples benefit. Thinking they can do what they want to benefit family, friends, and peopke in their party is wrong. All the REDS want to claim bias from the army, courts, and rulings against them mosty because the one who learned all the bad things the PTP and YL were doing came from the DEM party. But it doesnt matter who blew the whistle on their wrongdoings. What matter is now their dirty secrets are coming out and being addressed. If they are not guilty i am sure they will able to prove it. If not then they need to go without a fight. I am also sure that the PTP uses prejudism and bias to get their supporters. If it had been a different party what would the PTP do? Who could they blame for leaking the dirty secrets? The facts would be the same incriminating them.

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I for one do not oppose transparency in any administration..and if politicians chose to die on their own swords,,, because of bad choices failed policy, corruption... or worse...so be it... but for me the underlying issue which is so painfully obvious is that there is no equity in the application of the law... and the "tools" of enforcing the law are all bought and paid for by people who do not think the same as me...people who do not want to use a Democratic structure..yet herald that as their beacon... SO much duplicity...and every day more brazenly one sided...as you said it matters not the color of the culprits what matters is they don't get away with it..but I beseech you do some more research on the corruption of the Dems government...which certainly was not for the benefit of "the people" which is why I maintain that what we see here is a quick fix,,,perhaps...maybe not maybe the door for transparency will be shut further...that remains to be seen...but what is abundantly clear,,, this is a power grab,,,no more no less...and the eradication of all these ills will take generations and will stem from a new born form of integrity permeating from parents to children from age one.. and through a complete restructuring of education going forward to give the tools to the future generation to be able to make a choice and not be swallowed up by the deceptions, and easy acquisition of wealth afforded by the mythology of expertise,,. from the back room dealers who defy the rule of law and appoint those who allow the same and by doing so are complicit in the acts themselves .... I certainly hope as the future of my son here is my foremost concern..that we are on the upward swing of the pendulum but by the markers thrown down in the last 5 months or so I fear the opposite..

President Clinton may have lied to congress about his relationship with a woman but he was never impeached by the Senate over it.

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[Thai at Heart]

This entire Thai political thing is like the elephant in the room. The country is falling apart yet the newspaper never interviews the big Thai business people and the people in the know. It's as if the reality doesn't touch them.

That is because they are the ones really pulling the strings of this fight. You think suthep came up with this whole.plan himself and is paying for it himself. He is just the front man.

[Thai at Heart]

It seems to me that all. Thai in the PTP care about us an electorate vote from the majority. Even in the US they haveu many presidents who have been sscked from moral and legal issues. Watergate scandal, nixon, clinton to couple. They were elected by the majority yet their wrongdoings got them canned and all it took was one person showing how they did wrong and some investigation to prove it. The same ia happening here yet the people in the north either dont care, have red blinders or are paid to ignore the bad things about their leaders actions. .An elected Gov is a good thing and id part of democracy. But the elected Govs main concrern should be for their peoples benefit. Thinking they can do what they want to benefit family, friends, and peopke in their party is wrong. All the REDS want to claim bias from the army, courts, and rulings against them mosty because the one who learned all the bad things the PTP and YL were doing came from the DEM party. But it doesnt matter who blew the whistle on their wrongdoings. What matter is now their dirty secrets are coming out and being addressed. If they are not guilty i am sure they will able to prove it. If not then they need to go without a fight. I am also sure that the PTP uses prejudism and bias to get their supporters. If it had been a different party what would the PTP do? Who could they blame for leaking the dirty secrets? The facts would be the same incriminating them.

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I for one do not oppose transparency in any administration..and if politicians chose to die on their own swords,,, because of bad choices failed policy, corruption... or worse...so be it... but for me the underlying issue which is so painfully obvious is that there is no equity in the application of the law... and the "tools" of enforcing the law are all bought and paid for by people who do not think the same as me...people who do not want to use a Democratic structure..yet herald that as their beacon... SO much duplicity...and every day more brazenly one sided...as you said it matters not the color of the culprits what matters is they don't get away with it..but I beseech you do some more research on the corruption of the Dems government...which certainly was not for the benefit of "the people" which is why I maintain that what we see here is a quick fix,,,perhaps...maybe not maybe the door for transparency will be shut further...that remains to be seen...but what is abundantly clear,,, this is a power grab,,,no more no less...and the eradication of all these ills will take generations and will stem from a new born form of integrity permeating from parents to children from age one.. and through a complete restructuring of education going forward to give the tools to the future generation to be able to make a choice and not be swallowed up by the deceptions, and easy acquisition of wealth afforded by the mythology of expertise,,. from the back room dealers who defy the rule of law and appoint those who allow the same and by doing so are complicit in the acts themselves .... I certainly hope as the future of my son here is my foremost concern..that we are on the upward swing of the pendulum but by the markers thrown down in the last 5 months or so I fear the opposite..

Simply because reform will have been carried out by a committee it will not stand long term scrutiny. In 5 years time it will be time to.do.it all again

[billd766]

Any one know how much he was paid? To me he just looked like he liked to cook and talk. If it was a small amount, it seems silly to sack a PM over it.

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It wasn't how much he was paid that was the problem. Thai law specifically states the the PM must NOT have two jobs.

To compound that he also publically denied that he was not paid and then he finally admitted it and was sacked under the law for doing so.

The PPP however could quite legally have re-instated him as the PM which IS allowed under the law but Thaksin told the PPP to make his brother in law PM instead which they did.

Later under Somchai the PPP was disbanded under the law at the time (it has not yet been repealed AFAIK) for electoral fraud thus losing parliamentary power as well as some allies. They could not get a coalition together in the time allowed so the next largest party, the Democrats were givien the opportunity to do so. They got a coalition together and became the ruling party.

This complied with the laws of Thailand which is how Abhisit became the PM.

Not too long after that the Red Shirts took over part of Bangkok demanding early elections.

At a meeting between Abhisit and the Red Shirt leaders, Weng, Nattawut and Jatuporn were there Abhisit agreed to that and everybody was happy until a teleohone call, allegedly from Thaksins killed the agreement stone dead and I am sure you know what happened after that.

edited for spelling errors.

Edited April 6, 2014 by billd766

[billd766]

Well she was elected twice correct? How can we say the thai people didn't want her as their PM?

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When was Yingluck elected the second time?

The first was in 2011 and the only election since then was this year and that was annulled.